That's a crazy haul for a guy who couldn't get OKC past the first round of the playoffs...
At least Paul George won't be playing with Russell Westbrook (although Westbrook is good at sustaining triple double averages for three straight seasons, but that's about it).
I mean the whole entire Raptors team couldn’t win shit in the playoffs until Kawhi showed up.
Kawhi is the reason they won, no doubt, but it helps when "salary filler" Danny green has his best season in years and Siakam become a stud overnight.
Didn’t Jalen Rose have Kawhi 99% signing with Toronto? Even had the length of contract and a backstory about going back to free agency in two years to hit the largest possible super max. Football school…basketball school…baseball school…nba insider school…Guess they still have Schefter...NFL Insider school!!
Lol, Jalen Rose definitely got it all wrong on Kawhi Leonard.
According to Woj it came down to whoever OKC choose to trade Paul George to. Thats where kawhi was going to sign between LAC and Tor. Clippers picks and young talent beat out Toronto. He even said OKC offered Westbrook and George to Toronto. Toronto didn’t want to give up Siakam and take on Westbrook’s massive contract. So Rose wasn’t completely wrong. OKC choose LAC for Kawhi
I saw that OKC was talking to Toronto about a Paul George trade. I didn't know they were willing to include Westbrook. I'm not sure why Toronto would turn that down. I'd give up Siakam in a second to get Westbrook and be ensured of keeping Kawhi (not to mention George coming inbound). Westbrook has a player option after 2 more seasons so it may not be as massive as it appears on the surface. Toronto could have waltzed to two more titles (at least). I'll be the Raptor fans are quite pissed today.
What I read it came down to was all the picks that LAC had accumulated to offer OKC was much more appealing than what Toronto could offer them. More details will emerge today I'm sure.
Fields of Dreams
Yea I agree. If I’m Toronto I make that trade. I don’t know how much it would have cost them in luxury tax though.
I don’t know who else they would have given up besides Siakim. Maybe Anunoby. They definitely could have given up unprotected picks similar to LAC. To me those would be more valuable since I have more faith in LAC to be better in those years than Toronto.
Interesting what thunder will do now. Add players with those picks around Westbrook and Adams. Or trade them. If I’m Boston I’m calling OKC and offering picks right now or jaylen brown for Adams.
Yeah, Boston was/is definitely hot after Adams. They did just sign Enis Canter for Center, but Adams would be a big upgrade.
If OKC wants to try and build around Westbrook and Adams, if I'm the Cavs, I'm calling them and offering Love for a couple of those unprotected picks and perhaps a contract they want to get rid of.
So how bad does this screw up the Lakers?
Oddly, they might be better off. They need bodies and depth and now they can afford it without putting 10 guys on league minimum contracts.
Pain of Discipline
Pain of Regret
Take Your Pick
Yeah, but the three ten million per year quality guys they could have gotten are now signed and they will have to settle big time. Have to give the man his due, he clearly marches to his own drum.
Yeah, the problem with that is.... everyone has already signed with a team. The Lakers aren’t going to be able to make any quality signings now. They threw their eggs all in one basket with Kawhi, Kyrie, and DLo.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Guys taking pay cuts to go “play” for a Ring w/ Bron or GS or anybody else, isn’t a good business decision. Look @ Boogie Cousins, didn’t accept a previous and sizable contract offer, got injured. Came back, joined GS for a lesser offer, played what, one season with them. And I believe he’s now still available.
The businessman recognizes that even sports is a business man!
Cousins was injured and not highly sought after and needed a year to show that he was still a viable player for the cash and his health didn't come back all the way, yet. Not extending was a poor business decision but once he was hurt the options decreased. Once you have plenty of cash and after playing on a team that loses year after year, why not take less so you actually enjoy work? Hell, plenty of use lower life employees quit and take less money to be HAPPY.
The Clippers were fun to watch in the playoffs this past year. Doc Rivers had that group playing hard. They just weren't talented enough. That's no longer the case with the addition of Kawhi and PG.
I appreciate how little drama there is surrounding Kawhi. He is the ultimate professional both on and off the court.
I think it's great that the big market Lakers can't always get what they want. The West will be real interesting and this makes Milwaukee and Philly the favorites in the East.
AKA the Horseshoe, the Shoe, and the House That Harley Built
I think the Celtics will improve on both sides of the ball.. Horford is a big loss, but Kyrie def didn't fit there
Sixers are going all in on nasty D, pairing Horford w/ Embiid on the interior. Horford was the one guy in the East that gave Embiid trouble, so the Sixers improved at Boston’s expense.
George is a nice complimentary piece, but I don’t think he is a championship catalyst. My early call for next years finals is Sixers vs. Jazz.
Lakers and Lebron can go eat a big big big bag of dicks. Screw the Lakers.
The NBA needs some sort of restricted free agency policy. You should be able to keep a guy if you offer a max contract.
They have restricted free agents. And Toronto was eligible to offer him an extra year and $50m more than any other team. But if just he wants to go somewhere else you can’t stop him.
That's how Kawhi forced the Spurs' hand and made them trade him. They offered the max as well. How that all went down left a bad taste in my mouth about Kawhi although I admire him as a player.
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
So you're in favor of forcing people to work somewhere even if they don't want to?
I get what you're saying, but these guys are signing contracts to "work" there. It's pretty silly to negotiate for a maximum contract one year, only to change your mind and dip out the next.
Force them? I take it you’re against the draft too then?
In certain industries you are required to sign a non-compete agreement in order to work for a specific employer or in a specific field, non-disclosure as well. You also are required to pay back bonuses or college tuition, moving expenses and a number of other perks if you leave as well.
The teams offer you a contract in good faith at the time you sign if and it's normally at fair market value for your services at that time. If you as a Professional Athlete want to work on yearly contracts because you believe that your value will increase in the future, do so.
You the athlete take the same risk, or at least should, as the owner. You might not continue to develop, get injured or ill, fat and stupid and they still pay you your jack. They honor the contract, you should do so as well.
Non-compete agreements should be illegal. That's all I'll say to that
The NBA is going to be fun to watch next year. As a Cavs fan I prefer the good old days when the question going into the season was can the Cavs get past the Warriors, but the league as a whole should be more exciting.
George had three years left on his deal that he just signed last year. I don’t know why the Thunder gave into his demands. They did get a ton of picks back in return, but the majority of them are the Clippers picks who won’t be in the lottery for the next 5 years
The first two-ish picks should be late round, but some of those later ones could be worth a TON eventually. Paul George will be 36 in 2026 - who knows how good they’ll be then? And there’s always the possibility that one of them gets hurt for a season and then pick climbs to the top 10.
I thought that same thing. The NBA is garbage right now with the players ruling the roost. A player who just signed a monster contract should not be able to demand to be traded. I used to watch games 3-4 times per week. I watched maybe 10 all last season including the playoffs. No loyalty, no team, just bitch and want to go play with the best only to bitch again 2 years later because it didn’t work out. Paula George is the perfect example - did it to the Pacers and now OKC in the span of what 3 years.
I get it is certainly the players right to do so, but for me, blah. Not interested and not a fan. I blame LeBron.
Anytime the Lakers miss out on marquee free agents it makes me happy given that they are hands down the biggest silver spoon franchise in the NBA. My suspicion has been for awhile that LeBron went to LA for other reasons besides winning a championship.
Yes he did, business and life after basketball and it's already paying off.
The trade was crazy; Kawhi going to the Clippers is reasonable.
You have to wonder if OKC is going to trade Russ now; very surprising PG wanted out.
Kendrick Perkins thinks it's very possible. He for sure doesn't think OKC is done dealing.
I think it's probably more likely they trade Steven Adams and some other pieces to truly build a team around Russ that fits him... athletic shooters who can space the floor and make teams pay for clogging up the lane so Russ can't drive to the hoop.
They experimented with Jeremi Grant at the 5 in the playoffs and it was a +22 lineup when he was on the floor in that position. He's a bit young and skinny, so the defense was lacking a little.
You win with people.
And so forth...
9 Units Strong!
This NBA season is going to be so good and balanced.
Also, this is probably the greatest free agency period of all time.
Lol once again media tried so hard to talk Leonard to lakers. They even said so much that it’s just either lakers or raptors. Saying Leonard wanted to goto Lakers. Blah. Blah. Blah. They tried and failed again.
Man, the NBA is a trip. The Lakers will probably respond by signing Danny Green and Boogie Cousins. Where does Westbrook go? The Thunder will probably look to move him and rebuild.
The Clips will be fun to watch for sure. The best news is that Golden State will now have too many teams in the West to overcome.
I will say this. I think super team fad may be over with. All the superstars seem to be spread around, 2 per team east and west.
Golden State is done, Stephanie curry will be forgotten about now that they will regress back to non playoff team.
The cave made a good decision with not going after big time free agents. They need to suck and continue to get high draft picks for a couple more years
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
The Cavs' only option is build through the draft and develop (and hope that their draft picks that turn into superstars don't jump ship on them once their rookie deals are up). No marquee free agents want to play in Cleveland unless LeBron is there since they're a small market team and the NBA is full of arrogant superstars who care about exposure more than anything. I have my fingers crossed that Sexton continues to develop and Garland pans out cause if they don't the Cavs are probably looking at a 5-10 year rebuild (which you absolutely don't want).
No marquee free agents signed with Cleveland even when LeBron was there. The best they could get was a washed up Shaq. Granted, they weren’t really able to sign anyone in LeBron’s second stint because of Kyrie and Kevin.
I’m still not sold on Sexton but I think Garland has all star potential. I like the draft picks of Windler and Porter Jr. Assuming they get a good lottery pick next year, they’re a wing or big man away from establishing a good young core.
The issue is what to do with Kevin. The longer they wait to trade him, the more his value decreases. He will also be very old by the time the Cavs are ready to contend for playoff spots again, so that situation is essentially a catch-22.
Nance and Zizic (if he develops under Beilein) should leave them fairly set at the post position. So really their biggest need is another winger (but if they continue picking in the lottery for the next five years drafting for need should be completely off the table, that's how you end up wasting lottery picks on players like Anthony Bennett).
Golden State is done
As much as I would like this to be the case, they're still pretty loaded.
"Year for what?"
Yeah, Cauley-Stein and DLo were great pickups, even though I’m still not sure how the latter fits. They’re going to struggle a bit without Klay, though. I think they’ll hover around 50 wins this season, but the Clippers are going to be tough to beat.
Sounds like it. (I'm more of a casual NBA fan.) Is Patrick Beverly pretty solid then?
Patrick Beverley is old and more of a defensive specialist. He's also a huge agitator on the court in the mold of Draymond (except without all the scoring).
In this crazy modern-day NBA where superstars rule the world and form new teams whenever they please, there is only one constant:
The Wizards still suck, and will always suck
Says a lot about how these top end guys view LeBron. Sounds like initially there was a pathway for Kawhi to take another top end player to the Lakers but that they had to trade LeBron. That's how all that would the Lakers trade LeBron stuff leaked out.
Good for Kawhi. He did this the right way. Got it down to two teams and said I've got Paul George on board. Whoever can bring him in gets my commitment. Raptors didn't want to part with the assets and they are off to Clipperland.
Never had any love for the Lakers so cracks me up they waited and waited only to get left holding the bag. They now have $15M to sign 6 guys....Unless some of these guys give them discounts that's not going to be a great roster. They could easily be a Davis or LeBron injury away from being a lottery team... and then seeing that pick head to the Pelicans..
Talk about the penthouse to the outhouse. This time yesterday Lakers thought they would have Kawhi and that he would be bring Danny Green with him. That didn't happen so they just went on a spending spree..
Just signed.... Danny Green, Quinn Cook, Caldwell-Pope and JaVale McGee... and they had already signed Jared Dudley and Troy Daniels...
That is an AWFUL roster... and they are running out of cap space....
So is the GSW bandwagon completely empty ?
Go get'em Cal Poppy - we are behind you !!
It's not a rivalry .............. it's a wreckoning.
No, got not love for the Warriors but Klay, Steph and Green still a top 5 core in the NBA. Their problem was depth and how do they add depth. Seems like they've chosen to bring in D'Angelo Russell as trade bait. They knew he was a max guy but that there weren't enough max spots left for him to sign anywhere this season so they snatched him up. Next years free agent class isn't anywhere near as good as this years so they've got a piece they can move to bring in picks/players and reload. Warriors will look to move D'Angelo to someone who can send back multiple players including a backup point guard and wings who can play defense.
I agree. A healthy Steph, Klay, and Draymond make the Warriors the best team in the NBA still IMO
Not even close. They have no depth.
“Not even close”
I feel like you didn't really follow that team. They were so elite on the backs of their depth, which is all gone now. They are a shell of that team, and an aging one at that. Window is closed.
Completely healthy, I’m still taking the Warriors with those 3, plus D Russ (or the depth they acquire from trading him) over any other team. Warriors +1000 is a steal to win next years finals. Clippers/Lakers/Jazz all next imo. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with thinking another core is better, but to say it isn’t close is laughable.
Warriors +1000 to win the NBA Finals is hella good value
This guy gets it. I’m hammering almost every Warriors future I can get my hands on. Insane odds right now. People act like they weren’t winning before KD and people are sleeping on D-Lo. Perfect combo
they were winning with Thompson and Iggy, both of whom will not be there.
Good luck scoring 90 over the Clippers. NBA just got a whole lot more fun with the West no longer GS's to run.
Boogie signs with the Lakers and Russ and the Thunder are looking at potential trades.
Wildest offseason ever.
Rondo just signed with the Lakers as well.
Lakers are a mess.. Running back a lot of the dudes that didn't work last year..
Rondo is the NBA version of Hillary Clinton-crazy, old, egotistical, and was last relevant around 2008, but still finding a way to stay in the game....
Gotta shoehorn in that political opinion wherever possible.
A person’s personality is not a reflection of political beliefs......
Russ has the potential to really make this thing nuts. He goes to someone like Miami and suddenly they are in the mix. Same for another handful of teams. Crazy year.. Probably 10 teams with a legit shot at winning it all next season...
The Heat would be interesting with Butler there. I’d like to see a team in the East get stronger. Not a fan of Boston, at all.
The Sixers are ready to go toe to toe with anyone in the league, imo. Getting Horford was big. Butler's stats are replaceable........
Agreed. I am an fan of what Phil’s has built. I also believe that Tobias Harris will have a big year, as Butler won’t be hogging the ball all the time. Harris is lights-out. Let Simmons penetrate and kick it out.
It’s too bad they couldn’t retain Reddick.
They picked up Josh Johnson as another wing scorer, but I think they are going all in on athletic defenders off the bench-they let TJ McConnell go as well, and 2 of their last three 1st round picks have been athletic wing defender types-the opposite of Reddick and McConnell.
Plus Tobias Harris can just be Tobias Harris... he stood around too much deferring to Butler last season..
So are the Cavs the favorite to win the East? Seriously depressing seeing no stars on the Cavs. Only hope is Beilein is some sort of wizard.
Do they sort of build around Love and the kids or move Love and go full rebuild. If he's healthy Love still has plenty of value. I imagine they'll do some sort of 20 game sample before the do anything. If it looks awful then you start looking to move Love and Thompson and start piling up picks.. But they have a ton of shooting and Beilein and the East is more wide open then the West.. Kevin Love being healthy is key..
At the very least they haven't overspent on some of these guys like other teams have.
I think they move Thompson at the trade deadline. Hes on am expiring contract and teams love expiring contracts. Love is a different story. I think they see how it goes and may move him at the deadline if the right offer comes their way
Cavs need to trade K Love
Outstanding off season and glad to see the stars spread the wealth among various teams. Much better for the league as a whole.
“Megadeth >>> Metallica” - Alum 2019. I couldn’t agree more.
West is wide open between Clippers, Lakers, and Warriors now. I guess the Rockets are still around too.
East is an exciting mess, though I think the Sixers and the Bucks will probably be the teams in the conference final. I don't think the Nets are ready yet, but once Durant is healthy they'll be scary.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
The Nets aren’t quite there without KD, but letting Kyrie have the team and have a final year to mature will pay dividends in the future for them. I see them as Eastern Semifinalists with Allen and Jordan being able to stop Philly’s bigs for a few games.
The Lakers have done a decent job rounding out their roster though I think it's a horrible decision/rumor that Bron is going to play PG for this team. Can you imagine how bad the three point line defense is going to be if you have Bron at the PG position.
Hey everyone! I just updated the forum regarding Kawhi Leonard and the Clippers. Initially, Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Kawhi Leonard will sign a 4-year $142M max contract to play for the Clippers. According to the Athletic and ESPN, Leonard will instead opt-in a 3-year $103.1M contract to play with the Clippers, with the 3rd year (2021-22) being a player option (see the main forum post for the update).
So two years and gone again I take it?