Solid start of a recruiting class for the 1st year coach. Looking forward to see how he finishes this class.
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
How many of the official visitors end up in this class?
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye
Round out this class with Court, and the two kids from Tucson AZ...hellofa 2nd class for Day & Co!!!!
"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."
If Day and staff can string together wins on the field like they've done on the recruiting trail...
You know where I'm going with this.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Yep, Day and Co. will be seen as “the next big thing” from these kids.
And it's a very good thing.
Mornin', Knar - hope you and yours are having a great holiday weekend.
Does anyone know how many Texas expects to have in their class this year? Weird that they are sitting at only 7 commits at this point but the quality they have thus far is high (top 3 in the quality ranking).
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I don't know exact projections, but 247 tells me that Texas signed 29, 18, 27, and 26 commits the past four years and they haven't been pumping out early draftees, so I'd have to imagine they only have space for ~20 signees, if not less.
The 2020 class is looking great so far, and looks to just keep getting better. Fingers crossed we get Robinson, Ransom, and are able to flip Ricks from LSU
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I think some people get way too worked up when 3 stars commit. Every class, even Urban classes, are filled with several 3 stars. It just so happens OSU has had a run of 3 stars of late. Had Ransom, Robinson, and Cooper been part of this recent wave, I dont think anyone would care if the rest were 3 stars. I just think it’s more a timing thing, as several 3 stars all happened to commit close together. If they sign some of the guys expected, Cooper, Ransom, Kourt, and one of the elite RB’s, this will be a stellar class, and that would be the case even if Urban was still HC
The mid-cycle reset with the HC change could have had an impact, especially with Day being an unknown as a HC (unlike when Meyer arrived) could well have had an impact with some top tier recruits, giving other programs a window. Day still has to fill positions of need, which in some cases will have to be with lower-ranked guys.
In some cases a 3 star ranking merely means that you can't expect much impact from the player in his first couple of years (although it can also mean less certainty about there ever being much impact). If you get the right 3* guys among those recruited (it's unlikely to be all of them), you're going to get some gems - see Pat Elflein and Darren Lee as primary examples - as well as other eventual contributors.
That Day has also pulled in a number of highly ranked guys as well tells me all will be well. I'm guessing that, with pressing needs now being met, most of the commitments in coming months will be from higher-ranked guys for which the Buckeyes are still in contention.
There's definitely an argument to be made about 4 and 5 star players succeeding vs. 3 stars. However, the biggest thing to remember, is these services don't see 100% of all HS players play. Most of their evaluations are at camp settings. If kids don't camp for whatever reason, and they aren't a physical freak who blows up YouTube with their highlight reels, then they're probably going to fall in the 3 star category, which is larger than 4 and 5 stars combined.
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These aren’t concessions or last resorts, and the coaching staff isn’t sweating the rankings one little bit.
Birm wrote this the other day. These 3* guys are players the staff was pursuing; guys they wanted. I know we all fall in love with star rankings (including moi), but I am going to give LJ, Hartline, Day, et. al. the benefit of the doubt.
It's shorthand. It's nice for the fans to have a sense of how these kids stack up and it makes for good fodder for blogs but the coaching staff will have done their due diligence in watching the tape or seeing these guys in person when possible. They have a sense of whether or not each guy is a good fit for this program, and for the three star kids they have a belief that they will grow into something greater than the player they are now. I don't think the coaching staff from any school cares one bit about the star rankings for their commits.
I think the concern was more with the extremely large and in charge 3 star potential reaches in the offensive line recruiting that bothered some posters. Players that will need to have a very strong work ethic and determination to develop into starters in the future. Personally I like a combination of three year players and five year development players where you can have fifth year seniors leading and contributing. If the projects don't appear to be viable in two years they will leave of their own accord in most cases.
Along those lines, CtownBucknut - I think some 11Wers started to become concerned because we had commits from several 3-star recruits, one right after the other. What surprised me was the reaction that ensued when those concerns were expressed in those threads.
Apparently, we have a fairly large contingent of readers who are either unaware - or are turning a blind eye to the very, very strong correlation between national champions and the recruiting rankings for those programs over the previous 3,4 or 5 cycles. Sure - we can all rattle off some 3-star kids who developed in to All Americans - but it doesn't happen frequently enough to disprove the strong correlation for NC level teams over the years.
Just look back over the first five years of the NC playoff, for example - with the lone exception of Clemson, the champions each year had recruiting classes that averaged a top five finish in the recruiting rankings in the previous four cycles. Even Clemson averaged a top 15 ranking, incidentally. (According to 247sports)
In fact, with only two exceptions, every team that has qualified for the playoff so far averaged at least top twenty recruiting classes over the previous 3,4 or 5 cycles.
As far as our current class is concerned - while we may have taken in more 3-stars than usual at this point in the process - we're still ranked in the top five nationally - with several very highly rated recruits still likely to commit (as mentioned above). Plus, a few of our 3-star commits had very impressive offers from other notable programs (like Alabama, etc.). That would indicate these young men are not what you'd call "typical" 3-stars.
Besides, I'm one who believes a healthy program always has a few promising "projects" in the wings - even if we may be pushing it just a bit this cycle.
Under the circumstances, I think Coach Day and his staff are doing a tremendous job -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
Solid post! I certainly wasn’t making the case that a class full of 3 stars is the best path to win. I was mainly saying that the recent wave of 3 stars were all likely to commit, it just so happened they did so around the same time, giving the perception of having way more 3 stars than normal. When it’s all said and done, I expect 3-4 5 stars, probably about 8-10 4 stars, a few of which will be borderline 5 star, and the rest 3 stars. Maybe that would be a few more 3 stars than normal, but fairly in line with the norm. Plus, as a few have mentioned, many of the 3 stars were targets of OSU. I think that’s Important, and far different than settling for 3 stars when they are unable to land their desired targets. There will likely be a few of those, but not many.
I'm still in awe at what Coach Day has done right out of the gate. Ending up with a top-4 or 5 class after the Meyer (legendary coach) resignation is an outstanding accomplishment.
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Exactly. Throw in the coaching changes on defense and that unit’s overall poor performance last year and my expectation was a down year for OSU recruiting. With all of that chance it seemed inevitable to me. Fortunately our down year these days is a top 5 class instead of a top 3 class. Not too bad.
Given what I have seen from the ability to develop by those on our current staff (at several sites over the years in Wilson and Mattison), I strongly suspect we will have tremendous results from our three stars who do see the field!
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Nice class so far... I would still luv to end of with Milton.... I hope the title of this article is not a foreboding,some things have not ended well as described...
O line recruiting myself included got down a little because of the players rankings of one kid but James is under rated. I said last year the move of Jordon to center was made to secure the best 5 pass protection kids we had on the team. I feel the players he has recruited all excel in pass protection. All very nimble athletic and arms that touch the ground. Pass protection is what they are looking for guys with long arms to extend with huge bodies to try to get around them. Our backs didn't have great years and I think run blocking was the reason over anything. Studs will need to get that cleaned up a bit over last year. This offense maybe like the old Texas Tech teams and maybe a reason rb's are shying away some. Then again there are plenty of very good backs that would love to play here and a 5 star back is not needed in a offense like this. Catch the ball block and be a top 50 rb is the ticket but yes we would love to get a HUGE BOOM at rb and we may get the total package. JMO
Much rather have Bijan vs Kendall, then combined with Knighton and you have the ideal scenario. Let’s hope that we get this combo
The ‘19 season is obviously critical to the ‘21 class and beyond as Day makes his mark as an annual contender or pretender.
I know people worry about the stars, but I trust this coaching staff when they bring these young men in. They do a lot of research and film study and I believe they know how the kids fit into our system. I also trust them to develop them. Go Bucks!
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To the star gazers; do y’all really think these 3 star kids that are going into their senior year of high school are not going to get any better?
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So the 4 and 5's won't? The real deal is there is not a lot of difference between a kid ranked 50th to a kid ranked 100 even at the same position other than qb's.
There are many reasons to feel good about what Ohio State’s new Day-led coaching staff has accomplished on the recruiting trail so far, especially in the last two weeks.
I FEEL GOOD:
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
James Brown, well done dude
Productive week. Any updates on National ranking of our recruiting class ? Everything I saw was several days old.
Get a RB, Safety and CB from Arizona and then you're nearly done.
the Buckeyes would not have taken commitments from [the 3 stars] this summer – with more than five months still to go until the early signing period – if they did not firmly believe that each of those players have the talent to contribute at Ohio State.
Exactly. Some people are freaking out because we accepted some 3 stars. So what? All teams, even Bama and Clemson, take 3 stars. It's all about when a particular kid is ready to commit. We still have 5 months to reel in a few more hard-to-get players.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I don't care too much about the stars thing, although maybe we've taken one or two kids where I've been puzzled by the lack of other high profile offers. But it really only becomes an issue if your current commitments are preventing you from accepting offers from potentially better kids down the road.
Offensive line is an area where I care more about development once they're on campus than I do about whether someone has 3 or 5 stars. We've had 3-star offensive line recruits come in here and excel, and at least a couple of 5-stars who never amounted to much. And the runs of dominant offensive linemen at Wisconsin and (to a lesser extent) Iowa have been built on development, not on landing 5-stars.
This class does seem as if it's getting a little top heavy with receivers and offensive linemen, though. Defensive backs, please!
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Just a matter of time till alot of these 3*'s get major bumps in recruitment rankings.
For all of the three star nay sayers I would retort with this: one of them is a kicker which is almost never above three stars, and half of the remaining guys are OL which most recruiting guys will tell you is one of, if not the hardest position to project. Additionally, OL is the position I would say Meyer struggled the most with projecting and recruiting guys. Evan Lisle, Kyle Trout, Matthew Burrell and Tyler Gerald were all 4 star OL who never sniffed the field here while converted DT Billy Price is in the NFL
Dantonio always gets his props when his 3 stars plays like six stars. Let's give Day and company the same benefit of the doubt and see what happens. I'm still sold on speedy players so hopefully some of the recruits will become noted for their speed.
I can watch Paris Campbell run that jet sweep and just fly away from the ichigan defenders a thousand times and never get bored.
I can watch Paris Campbell run that jet sweep and just fly away from the ichigan defenders a thousand times and never get bored.
Speed Kills and that sweep was an example......Zeke hitting the hole in the Bama Line and taking off untouched in the 85 and a cloud of dust run is another.
I tend to worry too much about star ratings as well, but usually after their senior year is over, not before, because they will change many times. And this is why. ”If you're going to keep score, I'm going to try to win." Urban Meyer on recruiting rankings. I want our class to be #1. Not Clemson, Not Bama, Not Georgia. 3 Stars don't get you number 1. The only 3 stars I can accept is if they're an Ohio kid. So after signing day Feb 5, 2020 if they are still a three star and not from Ohio I am usually not pleased. I will still welcome that kid with open arms and root my arse off for them, but part of me is still upset. Just speaking the truth here! Oh and to clarify, I care more about the average player rating than the total score. Such as last year. #14 class in points, but 3rd best in average player. Damn you Georgia and Bama!
Remember depending who you follow in player rankings there are only 30 to 35 five star players each year and 300 to 350 four star players. Now take the larger numbers and that comes to 385. That number only fills 15.4 teams 25 allotment of players. Everyone else would have only 3 star players.
A three star recruit nicknamed 'Shotgun' won a national championship. Without that championship, the Urban Meyer mystique is far less. How many '3 stars' were on the team that won the first College Football playoff? How about the previous N.C.?
Ummmmm "12 Gauge"!
It was "12 Gauge"!
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