Class of 2020 Recruiting News (Part 51)

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Somehow I was coerced into opening a bottle of Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year so I'm doing pretty good right now. Hope you all had a great holiday and safe trips home. 

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RollRedRoll's picture

Another great day in buckeye land, who do you think might be our next commitment? 

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buckslan's picture

I'm guessing Mookie Cooper sometime next week followed by a double boom with Bijan and Lathan on the 16th.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Nothing like a little peer pressure, Spooner. I’ve been working on some Teeling special pot today so I don’t feel any pain either.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

You've inspired me to close the day with a dram of William Larue Weller. Cheers!

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Sanantonefan's picture

I mean, I guess it's pretty cool to have it on the shelf, but if you don't drink it, what good is it? Cheers!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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LB U's picture

Im sure someone has asked this already, but does anyone know when 247 will update their rankings?

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KBonay's picture

Doin’ work on the 4th. Well done, Spooner. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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CauseICouldntGoFor3's picture

Did someone just watch the Bob Lazar documentary?

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Tipp2Cbus's picture

Joe Rogan podcast with Bob Lazar is 100x better. Never cut into a gravity reactor 

Have we always been a dynasty ?

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Joe Rogan podcast with everyone he interviews is worth the hour or 2 of your time. Joe has an incredible ability to interview people and raises questions that need to be asked that MSM won't. 

Also the interview with Lazar was way more insightful. 

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PaulFinebaumIsBiased's picture

JR's podcast is good not because of the hard hitting questions he asks (lol he's not a journalist--he's an entertainer), but because of the variety of guests and viewpoints he has on his show. And until he shows us hit MIT diploma I think Bob Lazar is full of it lol

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

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Cincybuckeye's picture

I've always been interested in the UFO phenomenon. Through the years, I've found most of the claims and "experts" to be lousy and easy to discredit. But, I think Lazar presents the most credible case out of anyone else. Not sure why an MIT diploma is necessary. It's already been proven that someone tried to erase all evidence that he worked for Los Alamos National Lab and you don't work there unless you are incredibly intelligent and know what the hell you're doing. Wouldn't surprise me at all if his diploma was stored away at his house somewhere and he doesn't care to show people since he hates being in the limelight.

EDIT: And yes, I fully realize this is off topic. But, there's virtually no new info out right now and I'd rather discuss this than have our 359th debate on the value of three star recruits.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

The issue isn't that a degree from MIT is 'necessary'. The issue is that Lazar lied about having one.

No, he is not credible.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Where was it proven that he doesn't have one? The university records? You realize that almost everything about his history was erased, right? Like I mentioned, his previous work history was erased even though he was listed in a directory and a select couple of his former coworkers vouched for him. I mean, shoot, even his birth certificate disappeared from the hospital he was born at. You don't think whoever did all that would also erase his school history? That'd be one of the first things they'd do.

I think he's very credible. He predicted the existence of element 115 on the periodic table 25 years before scientists were able to create it in the lab. He brought out dozens of eye-witnesses to see them test pilot the crafts because he knew the flight schedule. Some of those people even have recordings of the flights. Personally, I think it's a weak argument when people say he's not credible. As time goes on, more and more of the things he's said back in the 80s are coming out as true.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Where was it proven that he doesn't have one? The University records?

Sigh. Prove to me that you aren't an alien reptilian. See, it doesn't work that way.  The burden of proof rests upon Bob, and he has failed to provide anything even remotely supporting his claims.

The proverbial 'they' could remove every electronic record of my post graduate work at and I could still easily provide sufficient evidence of my time. My dissertation, doctoral adviser, other students & faculty etc. You can't actually erase someone's history from a place where social interaction is required. 

You realize that almost everything about his history was erased, right?

No, I realize that claim has been made. I also realize the evidence doesn't support said claim.

Like I mentioned, his previous work history was erased even though he was listed in a directory and a select couple of his former coworkers vouched for him.

You are misrepresenting the facts. Los Alamos National Laboratories has stated they have no record of his employment. As he was most likely a technician employed by a contractor, LANL wouldn't have records of him as an employee. 

I mean, shoot, even his birth certificate disappeared from the hospital he was born at. You don't think whoever did all that would also erase his school history? That'd be one of the first things they'd do.

His birth certificate never 'disappeared'. A certified copy of it was documented during the pre-sentencing of his felony conviction.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Prove to me that you aren't an alien reptilian.

Get off my back, David Icke!

After reading your claims, I went searching for any articles on them and found this article. Seems like Lazar's a phony. So, congrats, Scarlet, you've now made me sad.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Growing up in the 70's was an interesting time. The Bermuda Triangle, Sasquatch, UFOs & paranormal stories of every kind were huge. Close Encounters of the Third Kind was just as influential to my childhood as Star Wars. I wanted it all to be real as much as anyone. Unfortunately as I got older, the more I actually looked into various stories the flimsier they became.

None of this means that there aren't intelligent civilizations out there, just that there is no credible evidence they're coming here.

FWIW you might find the old Bluefire blog to have some interesting bits about Lazar & Area 51 in general. 

Upvotes for all your posts in the thread. :)

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Bum juice's picture

Never thought I'd read about the periodic table on a recruiting thread....

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Buckpasser51's picture

WARNING
As if on que
The next 27 posts consist of debate #360

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Knarcisi's picture

Elias Ricks gonna be a Buckeye. My gut told me. Now I told you. 

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Northern Nevada Buck's picture

Hey Knarsi...just noticed you're from Shadyside.

We're you there when the flood happened?

I was at WKWK radio in the 1990s. We did wall to wall coverage and fundraising for many weeks afterward.

Hope you and your family are well.

My 10 years in the Ohio Valley were some of the best years of my life.

"Give your dream an aspiration date."

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Knarcisi's picture

I’m gonna take the opportunity to say this to those of you who have the audacity to rip on the commitments of 3-star recruits. You don’t know fucking shit! 

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buckslan's picture

They pop into existence and regurgitate a shitty response about the state of recruiting like it's terrible, do a little comparison to Clemson or Bama (who also take a lot of 3* recruits, just like every team in CFB does), then proceed to get greyed out and get their teeth kicked in by posters that actually know what they're talking about.

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Knarcisi's picture

I’ll take it a step further. I once played and I’ve watched and studied football for a long time. There is very little you can actually tell from watching film and camps with 7 on 7 type conditions with no pads. Especially with 17 year old kids that aren’t even fully developed physically and mentally.  Indicators yes, but definitives like I’d take this guy over that guy, for this reason. It’s bullshit. Nothing more, nothing less. 

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

I'm not concerned with star rating, its a crap shoot and guestimation. My only concern is the hefty boys at oline we are recruiting.

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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Bignate102's picture

Especially based on the great 3-stars we’ve had over the years, have y’all forgotten about Darren Lee, Micheal Thomas, Carlos Hyde?

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buckslan's picture

Malik Hooker, Pat Elflein, and I'm gonna throw Denzel Ward in here too even though he was a low 4*. He was 5'10" 168lbs coming out of high school. I know if we signed a corner with that size right now, he would get bashed pretty hard. It's time to stop giving some of these idiotic posters the time of day.

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Montana silver bullet's picture

I happily down vote anyone who shits on a current player or recruit.  These dweebs probably have never even played high school football, let alone college level.  If they had they would have more patience and understanding when it comes to the recruiting world and the difficulties involved for both the kids and college coaching staffs. 

Montana Silver Bullet

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

James Laurinatis = 2 star, Khalil Mack from Florida = 2 star went to Buffalo and tore us up, Leveon Bell 2 stars Malcom Jenkins 3, zaJHawk 3, it’s who develops them = coaches and Pantoni

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

James Laurinatis = 2 star, Khalil Mack from Florida = 2 star went to Buffalo and tore us up, Leveon Bell 2 stars Malcom Jenkins 3, zaJHawk 3, it’s who develops them = coaches and Pantoni

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FieldsofJreams's picture

3* w/ identifying traits are fine.  Still, for every Hooker, Lee and Thomas there is a Joshua Norwood, Dylan Thompson, Darius Slade, Ricquan Southwood, Frank Epitropoulos or Luke Roberts.

Outside of OL, the staff has perhaps recruited 3* as good or better than 4*.  I think bc they take twice as many 4*, they are very selective in which 3* prospects they do take.  TTUN recruits 3* like we do 4*, so they are much more desperate than us.

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Bucks19's picture

Exactly!!! Statistics tell you the 4 and 5's pan out greater than the 2's and 3's. It's pretty simple.

Kills me when people bring up the one off's who make it. 

You can't build a great roster on a bunch of 3's. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

No, not exactly and why people keep making this claim is silly. For any statistical claims you would have to be using the exact process/model before you can even make this claim, Bucknuts & Rivals are incredibly diverse on the same recruits, then looking forward you realize which service actually rates players they haven’t even seen in person, not camping affects a recruits rating.  If you want to “estimate “ who might be getting better based on a crude star system fine but quit treating it like gospel, it’s not. Dabo Sweeney in an article in SC was being dinged for taking too many 3 stars years ago said we don’t look at that, we look at Potential, football IQ, attitude etc, now many on here act like Dabo has always recruited high 4 or 5 stars, I liken the stars as a weather balloon vs a Doppler, 

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Belliott's picture

That’s asinine. The composite is fairly accurate as an aggregator. It’s not gospel but pantoni on wade’s dad’s podcast and other coaches have mentioned they use it both as a guide and a double check. And every school that has won a national championship in the recruiting era has had a blue chip ratio of > 50%. 
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2018/7/26/17607382/blue-chip-ratio-recruit-national-title-championship-playoff

if stars didn’t matter that wouldn’t be true. Yes, some of them are biased towards camps and big school/tough conference kids, but saying they’re gospel is closer to the truth than saying they don’t matter. And ask Dabo if he’d rather have the recruiting class from this year or the 3 star heavy classes. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Asinine is your reply without aparrently any idea how statistical analysis works or you wouldn’t argue about two different services using different criteria, dude you have no idea what your talking about, even the attachment you think supprts your case is incredibly flawed, 50% lmao,I love like others the star system because it entertains us/me too but this is the equivalent of saying 90% of all who die of drug overdoses are milk drinkers, you might even be correct but they have completely different criteria sets. I spent couple of years here talking to my buddies here at SAS software in Cary NC you know one of the worlds leading statistical software companies and you just don’t have a clue sorry fellow Buckeyes fan 

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LB U's picture

I always point to Bama whenever someone says this. Who's dominated college fooball for the last decade? Alabama.. Guess who's also had the most #1 recruiting classes in the last decade.. Also Alabama. It's not rocket science, 4 and 5 stars are typically better and more college ready than the majority of 3 stars. You dont have to work at a statistical software company to know that. It's kind of just common sense.

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Belliott's picture

I actually work in data analysis and trend forecasting and more than hold my own but you think what you want. I could give a shit. I mean you held a conversation with friends who work for a statistical software company. Who could compete with that?

 That being said, you seem to be trying to say correlation doesn’t equal causation which most people learn in what, middle school? So cool. Thanks for trying to teach me something 12 year olds know. But most people also know that correlation can sometimes also be there when there’s a causal relationship. Ask your friends about it. 

We could look to the nfl draft:
https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-recruiting-rankings-go-hand-in-hand--117819292/
“It’s not a scientific set of data (you'd need years of it to make an absolute conclusion), but here’s what the percentage of players drafted per recruiting rankings look like if you combine the two years of draft data: Five-star (61.6%), Four-star (23.3%), Three-star (5.95%) and two-star (1.25%).”
Then this from 2015. 
 

Per capita, there’s a higher hit rate on higher ranked players. 

Also. SAS is not who I’d claim if I were you. They get hired to do analysis. Get paid the same amount, and then rehire the people the company just fired for 2/3 the amount they were just making. And I deal with them regularly as a company that deals with others who hire them. The people they have in the field who weren’t just rehired for pennies on the dollar are undertrained and in all honesty, not great bob. 

Sorry fellow buckeye fan. Plenty of prototype passers fail, but there’s only a few Brees/Wilsons. You reaching for that 5’9 guy hoping he’s the next. Or are you going for the prototype that fits the other 90%

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jedkat's picture

Sir, this is an Arby’s.

"just a guy, nothing more, nothing less" ~ Some troll then *poof* he was gone

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Belliott's picture

In that case, regular roast beef and curly fries. Couple packets of horsey sauce please. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Lmao, my knowledge of static’s and application, I assure you, you don’t know dick, nice cut and paste but move on,  we can compare our knowledge another day, but now back to booms.

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stxbuck's picture

There are plenty of players whom Dabo, Saban, Day AND the starhanderouters agree are great. That isn’t the issue. The issue is dumbazz fans getting pissy and ripping on kids that NC caliber coaching staffs have taken on their team. Why-b/c said staff recognizes that that player has the ability to contribute to Bama or tOSU or Clemson at the level the staff needs. tOSU or Bama don’t primarily recruit 3 star players, so when they do, it says they see things that non-coaching starhanderouters don’t.

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Bucks19's picture

Pin this response and stats by Belliott for all the 3 star  lovers. 

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CleveState's picture

You have to love a guy that tells everyone they have no idea how something works while getting it completely wrong himself. Raleigh college football might not be your thing. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Lol, not one of you can define what makes a 3 4 or 5 star, using data that is all floating to as one guy who claims to know modeling should know we are all going off the “eye” test which is fine but until you can say what is any of real data pasting old analysis to this one is Luke comparing apples to grapes. As to football and college knowledge, too funny , I’m sure Roland James who I played against would attest to my knowledge and past skill, but too many crazies on the internet these days to reveal who you really are sigh

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RollRedRoll's picture

Belliott, I don’t think anyone is saying they would rather have a majority of 3 stars over 4 and 5 stars. However, you stated to ask Dabo if he’d rather have the recruiting class from this year or the 3 star heavy classes. I cant ask him, and his class for this year will be his best ever if they all stick,  but I could find the info on his last 8 recruiting classes. In the last 8 recruiting cycles Dabo has recruited 12 (5 stars) for an average of 1.5 per class. 73 (4 stars) for an average  of 9.125 per class. 61 ( yes 61 3 stars) for an average of 7.625 per class. He has also recruited a (2 star CB) and a (2 star) DT.  Clemson has made 4 straight playoffs and played for the title 3 times, winning 2. I think Dabo is very happy with his recruiting classes. I would suggest using Saban next time, his classes are almost always first or second in star rankings. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

You are correct, in fact Dabo was interviewed years ago here in the Carolinas and he scoffed at a criticism of him signing “too many » 3 stars. Problem starts off with a simple illustration: what makes a 3 4 or 5 star? Does a player have to run lower than a 4.9 or you have to be a 3 star? 4 star lower than a 4.5? 5 star lower than say a 4.1? What about shuttle run times? Vertical jumps, hate to get into statistical analysis but right now it’s more of an eyeball thing, and this is before we even get into bias evaluators, does ESPN always skews higher for SEC bound players, Wilfong a ND man?, hell SEC bias Is so patently bias which leads us to data suppression in statistics, an SEC bound player automatically get an extra .5 bump? I love the star system because it’s fun and keeps us entertained till the college football games begin. Last post by me on this subject, now let’s kick TTuns ass once again

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LB U's picture

You're questioning the legitimacy of the system even though it's been proven to be accurate. I always get a kick out of people who look at what Dabo did at Clemson with small classes and think it's just that easy. He's an elite talent evaluator and was ahead of his time on the offensive side of the ball. He also had this guy named Deshaun Watson that completley changed his coaching career and trajectory. Dabo is taking all the 5 stars he can get right now because he knows that's how you sustain success.. I mean have you looked at their recruiting class this year? It's insane.

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RollRedRoll's picture

LB U, was your response directed at me? I was just answering the question that Belliott put out about asking Dabo how he feels about heavy 3 star classes. I answered his question with statistics pulled straight off of 247. Dabo also had classes of 24, 21, 22, 19 and a couple at 17, so not entirely small classes. Yes I see Dabo’s projected  class this year, and yes it is insane. I also see he signed 17 last recruiting cycle, 9 of which are 3 stars. I am not trying to argue, but you said it yourself that he is an elite talent evaluator. Maybe being able to identify talent is the real key.

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LB U's picture

No it wasn't. It was just a respone to Raleigh.

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Well I’m bored with this, I get a kick out of those claiming « is accurate «  so let’s agree to disagree, star services make their own floating criteria and this vague what is a 3,4,5 star shifts on a regular basis, stars are not even standard and shifts just like CB‘s, but I still enjoy the star games/booms but  previous poster examples he used on Dabo blows this “it’s proven” to shreds, Dabo should never have the success he is having if the previous star system were accurate, even said 3 star thing was not right in a previous interview. But we move on, go Buckeyes 

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Belliott's picture

And if you had said something like this at first no one would be arguing but you want to claim the earth is flat because no one falling off is just correlation. 
I’d like to state I’ve never once said they shouldn’t take 3 stars or that they are bad players. I do say that recruiting rankings have gotten more accurate despite their inherent bias, and that I’d rather have more 4-5 stars than 3 stars. Same reason you might be a superbly intelligent person who graduated from duke or unc, but that kid from the Ivy League is a safer bet to a prospective employer. Not fair, might be wrong, but they play the odds. 

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Belliott's picture

I’d say look at his last 4 as opposed to 8. He’s an elite developer on offense and venables is the same for defense. Those first 4 were developed. He’s maintained that even with staff losses with better classes.

But you’re right, saban would be better. I even left the door open because you could say some coaches (paging mark dantonio) do better with lower ranked kids because they have the chip on their shoulder and they need that motivation. 

Still don’t think you’d find a coach in the country who would prefer more 3 stars to high 4/5 stars. 

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Brohio's picture

What if you rip (kinda) on the commitment of 1 three star solely because we have 5 of them at his position and never pass to his position anyway and we've taken a total of 2 CBs in 2 years and id rather spend a 3 star body on a bigger position need

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Mastro16's picture

Hmm.. where have I seen this before?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It’s Area 51. All kinds of weird sh*t happens in Area 51.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Why would you rip on the kid when it's the school that took his commitment? 

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Calgarybuck's picture

We have 5 right now, I have a feeling it’s down to 3-4 next season and that includes Royer.  Berry is a senior and graduating and I see another transferring, maybe 2.

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DefenceWinsChampionships's picture

Hey! How'd you know he was talking about Royer???

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Blackcoffee's picture

Because HaShem works in mysterious ways, son.

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ChillicotheBuck's picture

Not sure why this is getting downvoted as I totally agree.  13 olineman in 2 classes and a slew of TE`s and we have signed as far as the tape shows.....1 pure corner in 2 classes.  I agree Phillips is the real deal.  I don`t see from tape that Johnson and Lejond as pure corners.  Could they be used that way absolutely but we have seen the struggles of not having pure cover corners on our defense.  We have had some great 3 stars at that position and would have loved to have seen one signed last year and another one signed this year.  Ricks is far from a sure thing.  Bird in the hand is so much better.  Go Bucks

C. Brian Massie

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Woodshed's picture

Umm, can you tell me who the "13 OL" and "slew of TEs" are please?

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ChillicotheBuck's picture

I just looked in up on the roster grid on this website.....its a great feature and very informational.  Freshman Olineman is 7 and we have signed 6 to this years class.  So that is 13 total in 2 classes....figuring in redshirts.  We also have without Royer, 5 TE`s on our roster.  To me that is a lot considering I am of the opinion that we are thin at Cb as I believe that Johnson is a tweener and so is Lejond.  I believe both will be safeties and probably very good safeties.  I am hearing the new staff is not a man to man type defense, which seems different as Combs and Schiano both were man to man guys and recruited guys that were good at playing tight man to man.   It will be interesting to see this new defense without cb`s locked up in tight man coverage. 

C. Brian Massie

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Woodshed's picture

There have been 10 lineman combined in last year’s class and in this class. One of them from last year will be at osu for one year before going on a 2 year mission trip. So that really makes 9 in the past 2 classes. 

Osu signed one TE last year has one commit this year. Even with those 2, osu could easily be down to 4 next year if Haussmann transfers.

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ChillicotheBuck's picture

That is still a 2 deep of olineman in 2 classes, with 3 more redshirted to = 13.  The grid is set up to show class status which is more accurate(big picture) than just saying how many we have recruited.  We are also signing a load of talented WR`s.  Only so many TE`s on the field when running 4 wides and a tailback.  I like the fact that it shows how many seniors, junior, soph`s and freshman.  And if we are signing 3 to 4 wr`s a class than I would like to know how often we are gonna need a TE (Ruckert moving to the HB spot), which we use for blocking 90 percent of the time anyways.  I love the offensive recruiting and the idea of scoring 60 every  game.  I just don`t see that kind of work on the defensive side especially at cb.  Thats just how I see it but I understand we have a new staff.  I like Phillips tape a lot also.  Think he is gonna be our next stud cover corner. Our rooster is thin at cb imho.  We have signed one pure cb in 2 classes and I am not sure why.  We just added Martinez as a safety, hb or wr guy because the staff loves him.  Martinez was never mentioned as a cb so I am asking myself why do you sign so many olineman or athletes when no of them can cover a WR like Rondale Moore from Purdue.  I believe the staff needs another true cb and finding those guys....diamonds in the rough, wasn`t hard for Combs and Urban.   Go Bucks

C. Brian Massie

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AC's picture

I’d like to see another corner too, but I personally can’t agree with your take on the OL. 

So that is 13 total in 2 classes....figuring in redshirts. 

That makes it 13 over 3 classes (2018-2020). A lot of the kids in the 2019 & 2020 class will also redshirt (especially since they can play 4 games), so those 13 will be spread out over 3 classes not 2. One of those 13 (Vimahi) is going on a mission, so that really makes it 12 players over three classes. An average of 4 OL per a class.

emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt 

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Bucks19's picture

So why does this board rip on Michigan for 3 stars? 

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HINYG8's picture

Because..Mxchxgan.

We'd rip on them if they were getting all 5* too.

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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stxbuck's picture

B/c they are scUM. General principle.

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Bucks19's picture

And don’t know fucking shit about who pans out - 4 and 5’s or 3’s. 

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BuckDrew's picture

The defenders of 3 stars are taking up more real estate on here than the complainers. Just downvote and move on. 

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Mdesk28's picture

I'm going to guess that the bucks pick up another one before July 16th, either Mookie or Kourt.  But either way, should be a good month!! 

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MrElectric's picture

Mookie is committing next week and it would be a major shock if he didn’t pick us 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Julian Fleming.  He's pretty good.  

Wow!!!

Fields of Dreams

 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Phenomenal score, now this is where TTUN fans claim their wr commit is better and PSU fans claim they will flip him, you know it’s coming 

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NHBuckeye's picture

yep.

And I have no idea what this guy is trying to say at the end.  "When our lightning rods come in, you're doomed".   ??

Fields of Dreams

 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Fields of Dreams

 

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bd2999's picture

Pretty sure it is a comment about how awesome their DBs are. OSU's WRs are the lightening and the comment is saying their defense is the grounding rod. 

Still stupid but that is my best guess.

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Yimmied's picture

It's not the DBs, he's talking about their WRs. He acknowledged last year we killed them with speed. They saw this and are now all about "speed in space" (as if thats a new idea, welcome to football past the year 2000 michigan). They are recruiting a new type of reciever that is fast and they are "lighting rods". Roman Wilson just committed to them and runs a sub 4 second shuttle and a 4.37 40.

Basically I think he's trying to say we were fast, but their new WRs are even faster and they will beat us

And we can all laugh when their new fast guys suck anyway and Fleming scores 3 touchdown in The Game 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Just wait until Jimbo learns that most teams don't use a fullback anymore. Then they will be cooking with gas. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Tell him to google: Day’s since TTUN ( actual word is M word) has beaten Ohio State and you get a great Clock,  it shuts up all TTUN delusional fans, right now it’s been 2,278 days since they have beat us.

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camcop71's picture

Nope. TTUN works.

"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14

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FieldsofJreams's picture

I wonder if the PSU boards still think he is slow?

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Dasniksder's picture

I thought I remember hearing/reading that Fleming lacked top end speed. I may have even read he was a 4.65 - 4.7 guy. He put an end to that crap. Wow.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Technically Mookie has committed already. He let the coaches know. He is just putting together his video. I expect it will be public on Monday or Tuesday.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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GetBuckedUp's picture

Little info on Ricks from Givler:
He should know where he's playing high school football by mid this month. Givler thinks it will be IMG Academy (hello ace recruiter Lejond)  
Also said a lot of misinformation and "half truths" going around about Ricks.

Nothing earth shattering but if he does end up at IMG I would assume this recruitment gets interesting. 

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JacketsBuzz's picture

42 comments in and our first piece of actual recruiting news. Cheers mate!

The best part about the Ricks saga is that he's icing on the cake. Phillips and Cavazos as a CB pairing would top any recruited duo in the nation minus two or three schools. Throw in Ricks, and the CB room starts to feel like the WR room. Best position group in the country. Time will tell though. If there's any hope to land Ricks - an IMG transfer and a knockout PSU visit could make it happen.

Buckeyes & Blue Jackets.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

What do u expect?  It’s the day after The 4th of July.

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BuckDrew's picture

Just not talking at all. Nothing worse than reading through a bunch of comments that say nothing...

Damnit now you got me adding to it. 

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polarbuck's picture

You mean OSU, not PSU...right?

You need to be humble or you will get humbled. - Jocko Willink

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Drewbdu's picture

I think he meant the OV which is scheduled for the PSU game. 

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napbuck's picture

Anybody know what Fleming’s big recruiting prediction is that is on 247.

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Day_Man's picture

“At receiver I want Mookie (Cooper) to come,” Fleming said. “I like him a lot. I played with him at the Future 50’s. He’s a real good kid to put in the slot. At running back Bijan Robinson. I think we’ll end up getting him too. I hope so at least.”

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buckeyestu's picture

2 stars, 3stars, 4 stars, 5 stars, i want National Championships!

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Mastro16's picture

One fish two fish red fish blue fish

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Your happy place: it’s exactly 2,278 days since TTUN beat us and they should of lost that game too

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STU10's picture

You are correct Raleigh --- I know for a fact (by watching it) but also from an 'inside source' that Interim HC Fickell and the OSU offensive coaches were literally physically ill when watching game film the next day -- counting at least 5-6 sure-fire TD's that were missed by then freshman 'QB' B. Miller either by overthrowing or not seeing WIDE-OPEN WR's in that 2011 game up North in the sh** House... 

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GoldenBuckeye's picture

Braxton was the reason we were in the game. Defense lost that one.

The Ohio State University
University of Minnesota

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If Fickell and the offensive coaches were ill, it was more likely because they knew they were headed to the unemployment line. Putting the Michigan loss on a true freshman after the piss poor way they coached that entire season would be chickenshit. Our top three receivers that year combined for 40 catches. That’s pitiful.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Smitty516's picture

The only thing that matters is the coaches evaluation of the player. It’s been confirmed by several coaches and formal coaches they look at the recruiting services to some extent, but the only thing that really matters is their evaluations. They could care less if a kid is a 2-3 star, the coaches evaluate if he is Ohio State caliber or not. That’s why it’s laughable Cam Martinez is a 3 star by some outlets, when he has been a clear priority for this staff since at least last year. Regardless l, I trust these coaches are taking athletes they believe are national championship level, or they wouldn’t take them at all. That’s why I get pumped for every commit. Go Bucks!

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jhobson0006's picture

If I could upvote this, I would. Like mentioned above, I believe some of the three star commitments that we have will end up with a fourth star. However, even if they don't, recruiting services are wrong all the time and I trust that the coaches have watched extensive film on these players and thoroughly evaluated their potential. If the coaches didn't think that they have the potential of an Ohio State caliber player, they would not have extended a committable offer. Looking forward to the next commitment!

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Bucks19's picture

Recruiting services are typically spot on. What they can’t do is project whether a kid competes or not once they step foot on campus. 

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stxbuck's picture

Speak truth to the fools! Preach brotha, preach!!!!!!

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CardaleFTW's picture

Actual recruiting news: The Fong just went cloudy on Noah Sewell. It's nice to see that he's not an Oregon lock like everyone thought he was.

It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.

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PaulFinebaumIsBiased's picture

I saw an article headline on Bucknuts about Gee Scotts' recruiting targets. What did he say?

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

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PaulFinebaumIsBiased's picture

Thanks. Man, that would be badass if we could get both of those dudes. And Ryan Day would definitely be making a pretty big statement by flipping Ricks

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

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Sanantonefan's picture

I guess this thread could be called area 51. Thanks for you recruiting gurus who give us the scoop because sometimes the recruiting world is just alien to me!

In that vein, we have lots of rumors and opinions on some of the remaining targets. Hope we get clarity soon!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Drewbdu's picture

There is a new VIP article up over on Bucknuts that apparently has some information regarding Lathan Ransom and Bijan Robinson. Anyone know what it says?

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urbansjacket2's picture

BK close but not quite CBing Bijan to Bucks. Family still a slight wildcard

Nothing really new on Ransom. He’s become extremely close with Clark Phillips. And this quote makes him sound “in”.

“Me and Clark Phillips are really close,” Ransom said. “We talk almost every other day. I was really excited when I saw he committed (to Ohio State). And me and Lejond (Cavazos) have a good relationship too.”

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NHBuckeye's picture

Drennen’s Top-10.  Kinda surprised TTUN is not listed.  And there’s that Arizona State again.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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WoullyBear's picture

He must be not early enrolling if he’s only down to 10 at this point? 

If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?

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buckbornbred's picture

I've read people on here say that Drennen is not a take at this point. I'll assume this is true.

Are Drennan's offers from the elite schools (i.e., Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Notre Dame) committable?

If so, why is he not a take for Ohio State right now?

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stxbuck's picture

For all the talk of tOSU wanting 2 RBs in this class, I think that talk is somewhat overblown. The staff obviously felt good about where it stood with it’s primary targets at RB, and didn’t feel the need to press the issue with some decent in state options like Drennen and McClain. The only way they take two is if Robinson and Knighton both want in-both guys are don’t say no talents. The schollie for Knighton/second RB is really being held for the best player available, regardless of position. WR and OL were the staff’s priorities for this class in terms of positional depth, the rest of the numbers are flexible-the staff wants to see what happens with guys like Ricks, Sewell, and Flowe.

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buckbornbred's picture

Fair enough. I noticed that Knighton is the #3 APB, whereas Drennen is #5.

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EBBuck03's picture

AE,

What’s your opinion on how much distance from home will effect Bijan’s decision? It seems BK has a source or two that think the family might want him closer to home and he’s hinted that might be the reason why he’s not totally sure on picking him to OSU (even though he said he’s close). The interesting thing is that Givler did an article with Bijan after his OV to OSU where Bijan himself said distance was a factor before the visit but his OV went so well that his family gave him the blessing to go where ever he feels comfortable.

Do you think there’s a source or two out there that’s playing up the family thing more than others and that’s why we’re not seeing that many CBs from the 247sports side of thing? It’s just interesting how 247 and Rivals have pretty differing opinions on this recruitment.

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Andrew Ellis's picture

I honestly don’t feel like the distance thing matters all that much. Gotta get on a plane to go to Austin just like you do to go to Columbus. No one has directly told me that but that’s just the feeling I get. 

Smitty516's picture

Because your “sources” tell you he is in?

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Still don't get Buckeye614. He claims to know a lot about what the coaching staff is thinking, but also claimed that he didn't have any sources, so I'm not sure how he expects his credibility to not take a hit.

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logamaniac's picture

Remember when you said you were done posting?   Time to keep your word.  

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AKBuck15's picture

Urban?? Is this you? 

I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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EBBuck03's picture

I don’t think anyone is “worried” about Bijan, but there has to be a reason why and entire recruiting outlet (247) is gun-shy on CBing Bijan to OSU - including Bill Greene. I’m just curious as to what AE is hearing.

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buckslan's picture

After reading the tragic news about DerJuan Gambrell, I decided to look up the 2011 class and see what 3* guys were in it that had productive careers. Devin Smith and Jeff Heuerman come to mind. Jeremy Cash transferred out but had a very successful career at Duke and got drafted. Cardale and Michael Thomas kind of speak for themselves. Joel Hale also was a contributor as well. I'd say most of those guys I named had better careers than many of the 4* and 5* guys in the class. Some of those were Curtis Grant 5* (Underwhelming career), Braxton and Shazier with good careers, Doran Grant had a solid career, as did Nick Vannett. That's about it. It was a 25 man class, 24 if you exclude the long snapper. Split half between 3* and 4/5* players.

So yes, 3* players are valuable, they are needed, they are coveted by the staff, they play a big role in every class we sign. We should embrace the Cam Martinez's and Mitchell Melton's and the Trey Leroux's that we get.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Just for the record, Jeremy Cash was not drafted.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckslan's picture

You're correct but he was also dealing with several injuries in the offseason leading up to the draft. Still had an awesome college career. ACC DPOY in 2015 at Duke no less, during a season with good Clemson and FSU teams. All american, 3 straight years with 100 or more tackles, finalist for all the major defensive secondary awards.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Yeah, I’m pretty familiar with his resume, which is how I also knew he hadn’t been drafted. I’m not trying to pick a fight, just wanted to set the record straight.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Hanawi_'s picture

Feel like Cardale and Michael Thomas are kind of outliers for that. They were both ranked in the top 10 JUCO/post-grad, but for some reason 247 never ranks those kids as highly as high school kids. Sheffield is a perfect example of that. Was a high 5 star coming out of high school, went to JUCO after a year at Bama and then suddenly was a low 4 star. 

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Spartan13's picture

A five star according to 247 is somebody they are picking to be first rounders. It is not somebody going to the school you like. Nobody picked Sheffield to be a first rounder after JUCO

Which makes the Gee Scott ranking somewhat defendable, he will probably be top 50 which is very high, but I can understand the projection of him being a very good receiver who will play in the NFL but maybe not the top end speed to be a first rounder

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Hanawi_'s picture

Where did I say what school they went to mattered? I was just saying that the scale for JUCOs and prep school kids seems to be lower than for high school kids. There have been a bunch of 1st round picks, but no five stars going back to 2008 that I could see. Cam Newton wasn't even a five star.

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Spartan13's picture

You said you thought Sheffield should have been a five star. The scale is the same. For him to be a five star you had to think he would be a first rounder which he was not. If I had to bet if some athlete playing QB who got kicked out of Florida would be a first rounder I would have lost that bet

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Hanawi_'s picture

I don't know what Sheffield should have been ranked. Just saying he was a 5 star one year and then suddenly was only a low 4 star a year later. Same with Newton, who was a 5 star when he went to Florida. Got kicked out and tore up JUCO. There's no reason to think that he wouldn't still be a five star, but he wasn't rated that way. 

The fact that they've never had a 5 star JUCO or prep school player in the last 10+ years despite having guys who were five stars before they went that route and guys that have ended up 1st round draft picks is telling. They don't rate them the same. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If I had to bet if some athlete playing QB who got kicked out of Florida would be a first rounder I would have lost that bet

Wait a minute. Wouldn’t you have won that bet?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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stxbuck's picture

JUCOs and prep schoolers don’t make for good Top 16 Instagram bs or underwear Olympics fodder for the starhanderouters. These kids have been through the hype, quite possibly had academic or off field issue and in general have seen the underbelly of the process-they don’t care about hype games or swaggy family love feeling-they want to get in pads and start playing w/ out bs.

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urbansjacket2's picture

Just want to say there is a major difference between Melton/Cam Martinez (who had impressive offer lists—Melton we were fighting TTUN and ND, Martinez had offers from entire big 10+) and Trey Leroux. The reason myself and others are a little down on Leroux is because he’s didn’t need to be occupying a spot now before proving something his senior year. We could have offered after his season (or at least made him camp this summer) after he showed anything at all on tape to show he’s an OSU caliber player. I get going for upside with his size and athleticism, he just didn’t need to be a take this early. 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Leroux is the outlier of the Buckeye recruits. All of the other 3* commits have offers from other top schools. The staff is taking a shot that Leroux's unique size and athletic skill will be moldable to become an OSU caliber football player. It is definitely bit out of the norm for the Buckeyes but given the importance of the OL position I don't mind the staff taking a bit of a long shot bet on one recruit this cycle when he has incredible size and potential. So I think it's defensible.

If I had to guess they decided not to wait because slow playing some OH and regional recruits had backfired on the staff in recent years at OL. If the staff knew they'd have 5 other OL locked in by early July maybe they would have changed the timeline with Leroux but it's impossible to Monday morning QB it. There was an urgency to the position this cycle.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If Leroux pans out, he’s a penny stock that paid off; if he doesn’t, he’s the sixth of six OL prospects in this class—nothing ventured, nothing lost. Considering only five OLs can play at a time, that seems like a worthwhile gamble. While a part of me would have preferred the staff had waited—Ohio has several big 3-star tackles this year so why not wait and see how they do their senior year?—they must really like what they’ve seen from Leroux. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Northbrook's picture

They must think he has the drive to improve his strength, agility and technique to the point he can contribute.

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urbansjacket2's picture

It’s not “nothing lost”. We’re dealing with major opportunity cost and finite resources given scholarship limits. 

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

The staff has gone the "safe" route between 2014-16 with depth OL high 3* type guys like Marcelys Jones, Trout, Brady Taylor, Schmidt, Feder, Bowen, Cupp, and Wohlabaugh. Cupp still has a chance to play a role but it's looking more like he may be a career depth player at OSU. So only one of these guys in Bowen has played an on-field role at all at OSU. We know the entire class isn't going to be 4 and 5 star players, and some guys won't pan out and may even transfer. If the staff thinks Leroux has potential that some of those guys didn't have and it gives him a better chance to get on the field as a Buckeye in the long run then its the right move.

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ChillicotheBuck's picture

Thats a potential 3 star Roby cb that is lost if he doesnt pan out.  Taking a swing on an upside guy is risky but making sure its for the right position and its closer to a sure thing seems like a better investment.  Go Bucks 

C. Brian Massie

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stxbuck's picture

Coach Day disagrees w/ anonymous interwebz person. Whose POV should I give more credence to?

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Braxton and Shazier with good careers

Man, that's stingy! "Good"? 

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Attack51's picture

Watching The Opening 7on7 games and Gee Scott's route running is absolutely filthy. Don't need to run 4.4 when your creating that kind of separation in your route.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Except he’s hit his ceiling...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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urbansjacket2's picture

Sorry if I missed this earlier, but Nevada gave the ==== on Mookie. Get your booms ready. 

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Northern Nevada Buck's picture

So has everyone else ==== weeks ago.

"Give your dream an aspiration date."

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urbansjacket2's picture

Cool, so NevadaBuck >>> Northern Nevada Buck. It's settled. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I was already confused by the Buckeyes in Raleigh and now you're throwing Nevada into the mix? Come on, man. I too deep into the weekend to have to think this hard.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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buckeyetyler's picture

Says...Iowa Buckeyes. 

(And this post comes to you from Delaware, Ohio.)

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Sims_tOSU's picture

Soo... recruiting news. Anyone? Please anything other than arguing which isn’t the purpose of this thread. 

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CleveState's picture

If there was news someone would post it. I never understand when people like you get upset about a discussion and act like people are just holding out on some massive information. Every time it gets a little off topic it’s because there is literally nothing new to talk about. Then people complain about the lack of discussion.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Better to not say anything than that pool of vomit above. 

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stxbuck's picture

FWIW, these threads attract the most panicky and neurotic amongst the 11W commentariat.

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drinks2muchcoffee's picture

Bill Greene said today he’s hearing from a good source that Ricks will likely be headed to IMG. He did caution however that the source cannot yet 100% confirm it 

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Independence Village 22's picture

If this happens our shot of landing Ricks jumps up above 50% in my eyes.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If Ricks goes to IMG, he’ll have Lejond chirping in his ear non-stop. It’ll be like the old Chinese water torture—drip...drip...drip until he goes insane.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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bucks_4_life's picture

This might be the best comment on this thread. +1 to you good sir!

The juice is worth the squeeze

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KBonay's picture

Ricks on Twitter tonight/

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chris's picture

Translation for those of us who are stupid?

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KBonay's picture

Twitter bro, decipher as you will.  Could say all the talk about his family moving (or not moving) has him stirred up.  Or he could be talking about Buckeye Nation showering him with 'love'.  No idea.  

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buckbuck12's picture

LSU fans are getting really worried and some are saying "we don't need him, he is afraid of competition" lol.

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Crowd Threatening Bauserbombs's picture

By afraid of competition they probably mean Alabama taxing that LSU a** every year

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LB U's picture

That would be pretty premature of them to start saying that since he hasn't flipped yet.

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Popsikle211's picture

Love that this joker called us FakeDBU but former Buckeye corners start on both sides of the Saints defensive backfield. Also, do they still have Kurt Coleman at S too? Lol

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Vonn Bell also gets serious minutes for them as well. Coleman's a free agent right now.

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216ToThe614's picture

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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FieldsofJreams's picture

How can I prove my love for you Ricks, maybe a handshake?

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AC's picture

Get on your knees and tell me you love me!

emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt 

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Northbrook's picture

So who will round out the DL class? Cowan, Broughton, Bingley-Jones? Will Melton play DL or LB? His 40 time seems slow for a LB but his film shows he plays fast. Say just Henry and Hamilton are DL, how many more would we take? Will it be 4 DL total to save room at another position?

Edit: Birm points out in a recent article that Hardy, Diggs, Evans & Baron are still being recruited.

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Txsbuckeye's picture

I have to respectfully disagree on Melton. I watched his film yesterday and - to me - he looked slow for a lb. An Ohio St caliber player should really Pop on his high school film.  I saw some snap. Maybe some crackle. But very little pop. Just my opinion

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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Northbrook's picture

Looks fast enough for LB to me and has been pointed out many times here his speed will probably improve in Marotti's dojo.

Edit: For what it's worth, and that may not be much, 247 lists him as an OLB.

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ThePritch's picture

My guess is the staff is going to wait and see how he responds to the strength program. If he adds a lot of weight, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him on the DL, but I think it’s possible he ends up at LB as well. Personally, I think he’s a from similar mold as Javonte Jean-Baptiste in that he has a frame that can add a good bit of weight and turn into a damn good DE. Time will tell, I suppose

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USNbuckeyeBG's picture

I just have a feeling we are gonna end up with one of those higher ranked DEs in the end that we are hardly even mentioning now. 

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

The UFM Special but on a new Day!

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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BuckDrew's picture

Not a fan of Cowan, honestly. 

Literally every every update from the opening linemen was him getting stonewalled

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Knighton results for the Opening Finals:

RB JAYLAN KNIGHTON

Height: 5-foot-9

Weight: 194 pounds

40-yard dash time: 4.49 seconds

Shuttle time: 4.26 seconds

Powerball thrown: 31 feet

Vertical jump: 32.9 inches

Rating: 95.25 (67th at event)

Also for those arguing above about Mitchell Meltons 40 time he runs the same shuttle time as Knighton. 

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Aportis0214's picture

Yea, our LBs shuttle times really helped them when they were chasing down players from behind last year...

The Life Of PABLO

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Solid contribution to the thread right here. Equivalent of a wet fart. 

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Aportis0214's picture

Comment removed for violating the site's commenting policy.

The Life Of PABLO

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Wow you are ugly when you're mad and jealous 

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Aportis0214's picture

Not jealous, I just see people put things like "Thank you spooner and AE" as if you do anything besides be the designated copy/paste guy that hits enter on a new thread. Tons of people have 247/rivals accounts and are sharing info now and yet you get your name tosses around like youre actually doing something.

Then, you get angry when someone says something that goes against your little safe space recruiting thread. Tuff Borland (obviously coming off injury) could of had the best shuttle time in the world but it wont help him with his lack of straight line speed when his angles just get erased instantly. So yea, I see Melton listed as a 4.87 at OLB and think there is no way he'd be able to say with a RB like Knighton in man coverage and that he'll probably end up in more of DE role

The Life Of PABLO

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Then do us all a favor start your own threads. There is no one stopping you from doing it lol. 

You always come back to the same trash talk all the time. Yet you are always HERE commenting on these threads. Now why is that? Why not start your own? Are you that lazy? You and the rest of your trolls always crack me up with that same trash talk tactic though, but I will say at least your consistent. 

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Aportis0214's picture

I love these threads and the info they provide. I dont like you acting like you own the thread because you put (Part 51) at the end and calling my post a wet fart. You got in an argument a couple threads ago basically calling it your's and how it should only be opptimisitc. It's weird.

The Life Of PABLO

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Northbrook's picture

How about you two just shut it and let it go.

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JCam061588's picture

I know this may seem like a strange concept, but regardless of how much energy it takes to make a thread, if he did make it,  it is technically “his” & as such he is free to encourage the type of energy on the thread that he intended for the thread to have when he made it. If you don’t want to be respectful enough to do that, then make your own given that as you have pointed out...it doesn’t take much energy. 

"Because I couldn't go for three"

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I would think technically it is 11w's. 

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Daniel's picture

Thank you Spooner and AE. 

Va Buck

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Drewbdu's picture

What, would you have rather them been slower? That was an issue of coaching, not talent.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Some more testing results 

WR Mookie Cooper, St. Louis Trinity Catholic - 5-8.5, 191 - 4.53 40yd, 4.07 shuttle, 39 powerball, 36.5 vertical, 120.15 SPARQ

S Lathan Ransom, Tucson Salpointe Catholic - 6-0.5, 193, 4.67 40yd, 4.20shuttle, 35 powerball, 37.3 vertical, 103.89 SPARQ

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buckbuck12's picture

Grinch down in Norman looses elite DB. Think Hafley should make a push here.
https://twitter.com/dontaemanning_8/status/1147507072671653888?s=19

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Hanawi_'s picture

Looks like he's going to A&M

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Cincybuckeye's picture

Probably because he doesn't want to play for a coach that throws his players under the bus...

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

That should really inspire his DB room. Tell recruits behind his current DBs backs that he has no talent in the room right now. Glad this guy isn't recruiting for Ohio State anymore. OSU and OU aren't Wazzou. I'm sure Grinch didn't think his pitch would get regurgitated to the public. Not a smart risk to take.

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kmp10's picture

Glad this guy isn't recruiting for Ohio State anymore.

Apparently, even when he was recruiting for Ohio State he wasn't really recruiting for them. Good riddance to this assclown... and I hope this year's OU defense makes last year's edition look like the 85 Bears by comparison. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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stxbuck's picture

Any more to this story-sounds juicy?

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kmp10's picture

Sorry, while I do follow recruiting, I'm not the recruitnik that many on here are. Having said that, I recall a high profile recruit last year saying that he had been perplexed by OSU's lack of interest in him, and that Grinch, his lead recruiter, was very apathetic about this kid's intentions. He said when Grinch was hired by OU it became clear to him why Ohio State didn't chase him... because the coach recruiting him, Alex Grinch, wasn't long for the program and he was phoning it in as a recruiter. I'm sure one of the recruiting experts on here can tell you the player's name... I just don't recall. I was on the fence about Grinch until this story came out, and I was ready to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding last season's disastrous defense and the part he played in it... but when this player said that Grinch wasn't even trying with regard to his recruitment it spoke volumes to me about Grinch's character and professionalism, or lack thereof.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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WoullyBear's picture

Pretty sure it was Dwight McGlothern, he’s a Corner in the 2020 cycle

If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

You are correct, sir. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NHBuckeye's picture

Grinch is not the sharpest tool in the shed it appears.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Northbrook's picture

I bet the bastard tries to stop Christmas from coming too.

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stxbuck's picture

I wonder if Urban knew about this attitude w- Grinch when he hired him, given that Urban publicly said, correctly, “Any players on the team when you take the  job are on you, b/c you knew what was up when you took the job” or words to that effect.

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Bucks19's picture

Absolutely nothing wrong with selling that pitch! It’s true. So current DB’s either step up to the challenge or don’t play 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Grinch was and is a lazy ass.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Bucks19's picture

Based on what? A year ago everyone on here had him as the next coming of Bill Belichick

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Drewbdu's picture

Yeah, then we saw him coach. 

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Bucks19's picture

Typical Buckeye response. You make us look bad!! Opinion changes with the wind 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

Didn't Meyer say pretty much the same thing about Ohio State's receivers when he came here?

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Didn't Meyer say pretty much the same thing about Ohio State's receivers when he came here?

Exactly what I was thinking. The key words that seem to be getting glossed over here while people are salivating over an opportunity to hate on Grinch are "right now." While I don't think I would have said the same thing, what he said is totally different from there not being any talent in the room, it's that they have a lot of improving to do. Kind of hurts to hear it revealed that it was said behind their back, but who knows? Maybe he's been upfront about it to them. 

I think it could be interpreted as, "Nobody in the room right now could go to the NFL" or "Nobody in the room could go to the NFL this moment." I would think the second is what he meant, but I'm not a mindreader and certainly not inclined to go to bat for Grinch. Glad he's gone, myself, tbh.

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Bignate102's picture

True, but I guess the difference is that Meyer said to the media as opposed to trying to use it as a recruiting pitch 

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Drewbdu's picture

Yeah, imo saying something like that to the public comes off as honest and blunt, a good thing. What Grinch did was behind the backs of his players, which makes him seem secretive and perhaps a bit manipulative.

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OSU725's picture

Yep, saying it to the media and or directly to the players is totally different than talking behind the players back. 

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Txsbuckeye's picture

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

We need another damn four or five star commit to unite the board. Come on Mookie. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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NHBuckeye's picture

And Knighton, too.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Mookie is next week and Knighton is the 30th this month. 

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

While small in height, both Knighton and Mookie being over 190 heading into their Senior year is a plus.

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NapaBuckeye5's picture

Agreed.  That leads one to believe they can add more lean weight for power and contact, but not lose quickness and outright speed.  

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NHBuckeye's picture

No days off for Gee Scott Jr.  This kid has amazing work ethic.  Can't wait to see him in Scarlet & Gray!!

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Tipp2Cbus's picture

Have we ever had a high school recruit who was trained and practiced against a current NFL star at the time? I would love to get Sherman’s insight and scouting report on Gee

Have we always been a dynasty ?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Northbrook's picture

Great stuff. This is why I come here.

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buckslan's picture

I think Haskins (or somebody else, can't remember) trained with Antonio Brown on a beach last year. It might have been Haskins.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

You are correct, Haskins trained with Antonio Brown, but I don't think he did while in high school. 

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Alex Ranttila's picture

I would guess Mohammad Sanu, they are like family and from the same area.

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logamaniac's picture

We as in OSU or we as in college football fans?   I know Favre would routinely go throw and practice with the Hattiesburg team during his off seasons.  

Mike Thomas probably practiced with or got input from his uncle Keyshawn Johnson, who’s last year in the nfl was 1999, at some point 

or do you mean specifically an nfl star “at the time” of the recruit being in highschool?

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

Keyshawn wasn't even in the NFL until 1996. He retired in 2007 when Thomas was about 14. I believe Thomas has spoken/written about how Keyshawn mentored him and he would have just been into retirement during Thomas' HS years.

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Tipp2Cbus's picture

Specifically an NFL star at the time of the players recruitment. I’m sure it has happened, but I’ve never heard or seen it until now with Gee

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OhioSt8BuckGuy's picture

Larry Fitzgerald ended up at Pitt, but he was a ball boy with the Vikings, if I remember correctly. He got hands-on training from Cris Carter and Randy Moss. 

Mookie, always do the right thing. 

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irishfury's picture

I think Jaxon Smith-Njigba, J.Flemming and Gee Scott have an awesome bond already and really reminds me of the bond Terry Mclaurin, Parris Cambell and Johnie Dixon.  

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Michigan insider, Steve Lorenz about an hour ago said Melton was their top guy on their board,for Lb/De, interesting fyi 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Very interesting.  Are they chasing Makari Paige?  I get the feeling that he really wants in here at OSU but there probably is not going to be a spot for him.  

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

According to HIm, Xavion Alford is their top safety target now,  Manning who just decomitted from Oklahoma is their top cb target followed by Henry zgray, who w U believe we passed on

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NHBuckeye's picture

Manning is going to Texas A&M it seems.   Gray was headed to PSU last I had read.   

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Hè actually Saïd Manning was Probably unlikely but they are still going to reach out to HIM as to Gray, they are going for HIM 

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buckslan's picture

Melton is a playmaker with a nose for the football. He's probably going to end up at DE but I'd love to see him be an OLB or stand up rusher that drops into coverage kind of like Micah Parsons. There's not 650 better recruits than him, his tape and offer sheet speak to that.

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irishfury's picture

There is always alot of talk about 3 stars on this board.  I know 4 and 5 stars pan out more but when we get a 3 star the first thing I look at is his offer sheet.  If the guy has offers from the likes of Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, Oklohoma, Georgia, Florida State Penn State and LSU you know that 3 star is going to most likely be a good player.  

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buckslan's picture

Melton holds offers from all the Midwest powers and that's good enough for me. His tape shows a big LB that can move and tackle. The 4.8 40 and the 40 yard dash in general is overhyped and overrated. His shuttle time is very good for someone his size. If a linebacker ever has to run 40 yards in a play, something went wrong.

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Henry Gray is going to UF with buddy Wingo per PSU mod and BG said something similar to if I recall correctly. 

Manning looks to be A&M bound but Givler said to watch out for an official visit from Oklahoma 4* DB Ryan Watts (6-2 187 4.5 40) this fall. 

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NHBuckeye's picture

Which school could be getting the official visit from Ryan Watts?  

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Watts would make an official to Cbus this fall

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NHBuckeye's picture

Oh wow, interesting.   Thanks. 

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EBBuck03's picture

Gee Scott’s dad just posted on Bucknuts that he’s calling Bijan to OSU.

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MiamisburgBuckeye's picture

Gee Scott Sr. on Bucknuts..

"Since Christmas of 2018, my son has gained a family (fan base) that’s second to none. I’ve watched him change. He has always been a hard worker, but what I’m seeing today is crazy. Back from Dallas, and this morning he is on the field running routes. My point is, please understand that all of you are a huge part to his commitment to tOSU and his commitment to be better. As a father, I can’t ask for anything better.

Oh, and one last thing, please don’t worry, he will be signing those papers in December. Happy 4th to you and your families, and #GoBucks"

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NHBuckeye's picture

Gee Scott Sr. seems like a rock solid dude.  It’s easy to see where Jr. gets his traits from.  

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MN Buckeye's picture

Gee Scott Sr. and Shaun Wade's dad should get together. They would be a dynamic team.

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Pick0711's picture

Can I ask where you saw this at?  I am new to Bucknuts, and I am still trying to find my way around over there.  Thanks 

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MiamisburgBuckeye's picture

He made a thread titled "Greatest Decision Ever!" on The Front Row

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JimCleOSU's picture

I want to shake that guys hand.  

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

So do tweet recruits????

I kid, I kid, but that is pretty cool to read that the fans have had such a positive impact and makes me even more excited for his time at OSU.

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drinks2muchcoffee's picture

Shoutout to all the Washington fans who “didn’t want Gee Scott Jr anyways” because his dad is sooo terrible according to them 

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drinks2muchcoffee's picture

I’ve regularly checked Geaux 247 for two days straight now. Are the LSU insiders really just not even going to address the Elias Ricks situation? If Greene/Kurelic ever got something that blatantly wrong and just locked the thread and went radio silent about it for two days, I would cancel my subscription in a heartbeat 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

squeaky wheels seemed to get greased by the NCAA, so maybe it's in their best interest to remain quiet. 

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BuckDrew's picture

They pretty much stated they stand by their info. They’re not allowing them to discuss because they aren’t changing their stance and there’s no point in going back and forth 

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Apparently they also had a Rakim Jarrett thread that was locked and deleted very quickly asking why his LSU stuff was deleted on Twitter. Or something like that per Bucknuts. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Aren’t the LSU 247 insiders at the heart of this flap? If so, I’m not by any means suggesting it’s right but it’s certainly understandable they’d squelch any user-based threads on the topic just like any other autocratic state would—if you censor out the truth, you can pretend it never happened, least of all your own culpability. You publish what you want the people to know, not what they think they want to know.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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SpoonerBuck33's picture

Well their mod also apparently edited his original post saying the Ricks' were already living in BR too. So there's that. 

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

What background, do moderators meed to have to be one? Not a loaded question, just never thought about it until you mentioned the action of this guy on LSU’S has been taking 

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KBonay's picture

Generally, just be a bad-ass. 

What background, do moderators meed to have to be one

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Txsbuckeye's picture

Sounds about right. I just read the book 1984 and i see where this is headed.

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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logamaniac's picture

Getting ahead of that junior high reading list eh?

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Txsbuckeye's picture

 But my wife bought me the book. So i figured i would read it

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Amazing book. Timeless, unfortunately. 

Good for your wife.

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FieldsofJreams's picture

LSU mods are burning books so that the dozen literate fans in Louisiana stay in the dark.

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MiamisburgBuckeye's picture

LSU mods on 247 are banning posters for even talking about Ricks. They really think this is just going to go away? lol

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Independence Village 22's picture

Thats not suspicious at all. Throw blankets on it like it was never there. Hmmmm

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

So are we to assume that LSU is trying to cover up/ignore illegal benefits or something? In which case they really are living in Baton Rouge, and in which case that's not a good thing for OSU.  I can't imagine LSU 247 doing all this if nothing fishy was going on - and if something fishy is going on, that's probably not good for OSU's chances with Ricks as the chances of LSU getting in trouble are probably slim.

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brothadudeguy's picture

I think theres reason to believe that Ricks might flip regardless of the outcome for LSU.

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Drewbdu's picture

Anyone know what’s going on with Rakim Jarrett? There’s been a lot of talk about him flipping to Tennessee. 

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Rgeiger24's picture

Hes going to commit yo like 4 different places before it's all said and done. Almost no point attempting to understand where that recruitment is at at this point in the process.

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tajikey's picture

LSU must have spent all their money on the Ricks family.

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buckslan's picture

Apologies if it's already been said but when is Kourt Williams committing? I really want him in this class.

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CorchUrb's picture

Should be this month according to the last article I read

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Bucksknowwhatitis's picture

Man.. there’s a lot of recruiting news today..

The Future is Bright at Ohio State

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buckbornbred's picture

Didn't Ricks spend two weeks in Baton Rouge recently? If that's true, it's hardly characteristic of someone who is wavering in his commitment.

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buckslan's picture

Where did you hear that? Never heard of that happening.

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OsuSuperman's picture

Ricks said it himself in an interview. He spent time there visiting with his family and spent a good amount of time at LSU hanging out with their staff. In the same interview he said it would take something drastic for him to flip his commitment.

Go Bucks!

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buckslan's picture

I think he likes both schools. I don't necessarily buy into the whole "something drastic for him to flip" stuff though.

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OsuSuperman's picture

I'm not telling you what you should or shouldn't buy. I'm just telling you what he said. I placed the article in another comment.

Go Bucks!

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bucknut8's picture

To maybe help with some of the Ricks loving speculation......

With in the last 24 hours he was at his high school in CA. Mater Dei. And was in Santa Ana, CA the day before according to his Instagram. Also he’s posted multiple things on social media accounts being in California for the past month. 

#Buckeyes

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buckslan's picture

I think I read somewhere that July 18th is an important day for them. Possibly deciding where he's transferring high schools to.

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MN Buckeye's picture

I am ready to get past this thread and move on to part 52.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I tried to warn you: weird shit happens in Area 51.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Sanantonefan's picture

I think there are so many off-recruiting arguments because people are trying to rush to thread 69.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Ironic since 69 is generally considered foreplay but if we get that far, it could be the climax. Seems like maybe we should’ve started with 69...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Bucks19's picture

This edition of 2020 is a mess. Not a lot of good dialogue 

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