I’ll go first and boldly say this again. I think Pete Werner is going to be a pretty darn good football player here before it’s all said and done. Yes, he missed some tackles. Who didn’t on this defense? But like many others, he is the victim of being put out of position and overthinking. Werner is the type of player that needs to play fast and attack. Here’s to watching his impact this coming year.
^Yes. There a lot of confusion as a new player and "paralysis by analysis" going on last year, I think.
Already on the FB page I see people writing him off, almost like they're expecting the same play they saw last year. I don't get how people don't understand how much players change each year in college football. Heck, even the physical changes alone are incredibly obvious when you see those year-by-year S&C updates, let alone the experience, technique, practice, intelligence, and all the rest that goes into developing a player. He was in this position, starting as a sophomore. They really don't think he'll be better as a junior? I just don't get it. And yeah, the scheme last year didn't do them any favors.
A lot of people here had written him off and are just now coming around on this.
A lot of people on here say a lot of things. After *ichigan received multiple commitments a week or so ago, lots of people were laughing at their rash of three star pledges. Fast forward to today, and now that Ohio State has had its own run of three star commitments, our three stars are considered underrated beasts in waiting. This isn't meant to be an indictment or endorsement of three star players, the services who rate them, or any OSU pledge, rather it's simply to illustrate the hypocritical and flakey nature of this community... and every college football fanbase, really. Werner is athletic and SMART. He's going to play, so we should all get used to the idea.
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I hope he thrives in the new scheme. I feel we will need most all our LBs to get the job done right. Looking forward to a much better year on defense.
I hope he thrives as moral support.
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I believe, like many others, that Ohio State's defense will look very different this season in a very good way. Werner will be one to benefit greatly from the new coaching and scheme.
Hopefully last year was because of scheme and not putting anyone on the defense in good position. We need to get back to the AJ hawk and Bobby Carpenter dayzzzzz!
Mattison was not shy about bragging about this kid during the spring
Im rooting for Werner. We are assuming the new scheme on defense will lead to improved play. I’d like to see Werner shine this year. The coaches have been raving about his athleticism for a few years now.
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Hope he is better this year. He needs to hit the weights a bit.maybe Andy Katzenmoyer could put some muscle on this young man.
If he wasn't "hitting the weights" he wouldn't sniff the field. He's lanky but there's muscle there.
According to the official roster page, he has the same measureables as Harrison, within a pound or two. I can't say that I've studied his game in great detail, but my overall impression was that he was not bad by the end of the season. He had some nice plays in the last three games, including a couple of very nice pass breakups, one preventing a TD in the scUM game.
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According to the official stats from last season, Werner was third on the team in solo tackles behind Fuller and Harrison, and he was fourth in total tackles behind Fuller, Harrison and Borland. Not to mention 7.5 TFL, 3 sacks and 2 forced fumbles.
Yeah, he missed a few tackles, but he was outperforming many of the other players on the field.
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I can’t believe he’s that big.
The scheme last year did no one any favors, especially the LBs. It made no sense to stay in a base 4-3 regardless of opponent and I think that will be the biggest change we see, is that from everything being said, the coaches are going to change personnel based on the opponent. Schiano just seemed so convinced that he was going to do what he wanted regardless of who they were playing, that the opponent would adjust. Problem is, he was so predictable and opponents said as much, that they easily schemed around him. That’s why we saw much better results traditionally in the 2nd halves of games I think, because then he made adjustments.
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Rooting for Werner to have a huge year. I’m convinced Schiano was responsible for about 80% of the D lapses over the past 2 seasons. Thank goodness Hairball couldn’t make the adjustments that Brohm and even the multi-COY Ferentz did!
Thank goodness Hairball couldn’t make the adjustments that Brohm and even the multi-year winner of the Kirk Ferentz B1G Coach the Year Award, Kirk Ferentz did!
I don't think Schiano was responsible for that much of the D's inefficiency. I believe it was a combination of Davis, Taver, Grinch, Schiano, and Urban just not being on the same page.
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Keep grinding, PW...here's to a big season from him and the linebacker crew this year.
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It’s been a while since I watched his high school tape. He looked great in it and now I remember why I was excited we got him. I hope he gets back to playing that way. Drive through the ball carrier. And his speed was very noticeable too. I’ll give a mulligan for last year, but he can’t get pushed around and miss tackles like last year. That’s what made him look weak and unsure of himself, and out matched. Unless his competition in high school was anemic, he has the skills to succeed.
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For the D, I like the idea of using different players for different responsibilities/coverages, per play or for a situation. It will cut down on the complexity a player will need to internalize then execute upon quickly. It does look like the way to get back to silver-bullet speed without compromising tactical or strategic flexibility.
Its time for ALL of the linebackers to take a big step up (Malik excepting, keep it going). The talent should be there. Browning, Mitchell, Pope. See ball, get ball. Its been too long since the BUCKS had a legit All American LB. With the D line the team has the LBs should be killing it. Cautious optimism here.
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who's expecting him to start ?? I wasn't ..nothing personal but it seems like with all the talent we have at LB there would be someone better....oh well.....
all the players on the team have talent
its their commitment to learning and improving in their role on the team that is their burden, and theirs alone
the coaches are expected only to provide them instructional guidance
so, anyone questioning why they ain’t playing should endeavor to learn why the player isn’t doing their part, amirite?
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I was hard on Pete last year and probably should have not. He had several coverage plays in the IU game last year that mightve won us the game. Kid can definitely fly. I just hope Mattison and Washington can get the entire unit humming. We wont do well if they dont.
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I was very excited to see Werner start last year. Like many of the above posters, i was extremely disappointed with his play. He looked to small and seemed to get pushed around most games. I realize every year is a new year so im optimistic that Werner will be a better, more physical player than he was and will use tape to learn from his mistakes. I think/hope he'll be much improved this year.
No speed Pete, grand father must be on some board at Wexner.
No speed? Fastest LB we have. Coaches play the best players. Not sure Wexner board put him on the field.
i love the enthusiasm on this board; but, "scheme" is being used too much as a reason for our Ds failure last year. last year our defense got beat like a drum - and the tackling was horrible . if it only was so simple as "scheme" - then talent and recruiting classes wouldn't matter......you could play ANYBODY as long as you had the right scheme. but this is not how it works - if the players aren't good enough, NO scheme will help. like i've said in the past and will continue to say until proven wrong: if werner, borland and arnette see a lot of playing time this year, then the big plays against us will continue. werner can't tackle. borland can't catch anyone TO tackle them and arnette can't stop giving up big plays unless he commits penalties. none of this has anything to do with "scheme"
Scheme put players who were poorly coached and unfit (borland's injury, for example) to play at the speed they needed to. It's a combination of everything. But inflexibility to adjust our D to fit the talent we have is a big deal.
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Last year's defense was prob the most unorganized, sloppiest, most undisciplined defense I have seen at Ohio State, Athletes are not the problem, they were poorly coached on the field on game day, adjusted poorly, looked lost a lot. That's coaching or the lack there of, Werner can't tackle, that is a laugh! The kid was in coverage prob 60% of the time on the back or TE or even the slot receiver and excelled in that role. Know what you are looking at before you make assessments.Others said he is slow, that is really comical. please drink beer and watch the game let the coaches decide who deserves to play. lol
Buckeye_bob- completely agree! He didn't play a traditional LB role last year and wasn't set up for success. I'm glad the coaches are making the decisions.
THE CURRENT DEPTH CHART LIST HIM AS A BACKUP
WITH HARRISON BROWNING AND MITCHELL AS THE STARTERS
I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO READ THIS CRAP I'M TIRED OF IT
That's kind of reading the list of people who is going to show up for a family reunion, lol. It's July 4th and they have not released a depth chart for 2019 fall session yet. This kid will play a lot!
Do any of you know how important this kid was last year? He is the type of coverage athlete that means you don't have to play a 5th Db most of the time. He started off a little slow in tackling and reading the offense, but at years end you never heard his name in coverage which is a very good thing and he was way more athletic than most of you gave him credit for. I think this year he may be the best LB on the field.
If he can be more physical in the run game I don't see why he can't have a solid season at least, getting caught up in blocks was something he really struggled with. He showed some real potential as a coverage player however which is enough to justify starting reps. Linebacker play has been so frustrating because the talent has still been there, I can't believe the staff missed that badly on that many players.
We lost maybe the best LB coach in college football to Cincinnati, we now see that with the play of his defenses. I think that the backside of the Defensive staff needed reworked. We have talent, but the whole group has trouble shedding blocks, Browning is the worst. That can be corrected as well as the tackling and physical play in practice. Can Washington turn this group into an asset? We find out in early Sept.
I guess it's true that you don't appreciate what you have until it's gone, same can be said about Ash and Coach Coombs. Fick was a beast of an LB coach despite being put through the ringer himself for defensive struggles in Meyers first couple seasons. I am hopeful for this season to bring at least a moderate improvement but the talent is there to take a huge jump if the pieces fit.
Werner will play a great deal. Once again people are not looking at the situation with other than personal agendas - under the guise of what is best in their opinions for tOSU. I am excited for his next TWO years as a starting LB at our program - also very interested in why people who have statistical evidence the Mattison improves the defenses he coaches would assume he wold not improve ours - with the personnel at hand!
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