Hooray we made it to 50!
Why a gif of a Dawg fan who likely won't make it 50 w/out a fatal coronary or spectacular mishap?
Honey boo boo 4 life homie
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
This has been one unbelievable summer for recruiting. Thanks for keeping the threads rolling, Spooner!
How Firm Thy Friendship...Oh-Hi-Oh
So one of the bigger stories out of the opening so far is the rise of 3* QB CJ Stroud. He's the QB for the team with Fleming & Gee and they both seem to like him a lot. 247 has him ranked as the best QB there this week and mentioned in an article that Coach Day has reached out to him over the phone this week and he said OSU is one of the schools he really wants an offer from. I imagine Fleming & Gee told Day about how good he has been. Now I think it's unlikely because from all the clips I've seen he looks good enough to start at any school but since he has been under recruited so far I guess it is a possibility we could be looking at him as a second QB in the class? AE do you have any info on this?
Jack Miller has been very solid in his commitment, but with both him and McCord in the fold already, I think that adding Stroud would be more conflict than not unless Stroud has ZERO expectations to start... ever and just develop and grad transfer. Doubt he's cool with that and I don't think we'd ask that of him.
Exactly right. Trying to get Stroud into the class is playing with fire with both Miller and McCord. It's like trying to go from an A to an A+ but being told there's a 70% chance you fall to a B- or C+. Not worth the risk involved.
If tOSU were indeed to sign a another QB in the 20' class, the likelihood of one of the 3 of him, Miller, and McCord transferring very quickly would be probably be around 98%.
Starter. high profile frosh/starter in waiting, grad transfer type-that the new normal in the QB rooms of power schools.
I expect a much lower rated recruit. Maybe even a last minute in state guy.
We are recruiting a true backup. Name of the game these days
Short of a devastating injury, our QB room is set next year with Fields, Hoak and Miller plus walk-on JP Andrade as a potential wildcard. I was initially a vocal advocate of a run-first QB to complement/not threaten Miller and a guy Day and Yurcich could work on his throwing but with McCord now on board, I no longer see any point in that, especially if Cam Martinez signs as he could easily play the wildcat.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Miller recently said that he knows he will have to compete wherever he goes and adding another quarterback to the class won’t effect him. Who knows if that’s how he really feels. I also don’t think McCord will care if they add another QB to the 2019 class. I’d imagine he’s more likely to care about them adding a second QB to the 2020 class. Stroud has had very little coaching (part of the reason his upside is so high), he’s a multi sport star who likely is going to sit a couple years (to develop) wherever he goes. While it is unlikely, if they can get Miller and Stroud it would be the perfect scenario imo. Miller can compete earlier in his career, while Stroud has a very high ceiling that they can develop (could be more than a career backup, which is what most 2nd QBs are).
emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt
This is the 2020 class. McCord's class is 2021. Either way I think it's pie in the sky stuff but I guess we will see. I don't think the staff is going to rock the boat with two high end QB commits in successive classes by taking the top ranked QB from the Opening. I also would be surprised if that would be an appealing position for Stroud, who has some very good offers to be QB1 in his class, and assumedly will be picking up some more now.
I know... I was making dinner and wasn’t paying enough attention, 2020 and 2021! Quasi embarrassing mess up... I’m not saying it’s likely, I just don’t think you can write it off because we have another highly regarded QB. If we used that logic we wouldn’t be having the WR success we are having. Not all of these talented WRs from 2019-2021 are going to play, doesn’t mean you don’t acquire all of the available talent you can. If you are Stroud and Day & Co approach you with the Haskins blue print where he would come in and sit for a couple years before competing down the road, aren’t you going to listen? I think if you’re a kid who hasn’t had a ton of coaching, playing for Day and Yurcich could be extremely appealing. As you said it is extremely unlikely, but from OSUs perspective I think you pursue it unless Miller says he’s out.
The mistake is understandable as our 2020 class is likely to be 90% filled before any of them plays a game in 2019. As accelerated as recruiting has become, it's easy to get the years and classes confused.
OSU needs a second QB in this class given the numbers situation in that room. OSU also needs another QB in this class given Miller's injury issues the last 2 years. They're already short-handed and if Miller's injury pattern continues then it's a real concern.
Completely disagree that osu needs another qb this class.
They're not short-handed at all. They have plenty of backups. McCord is probably a decent backup but not good at all. Next year you will have Miller's talent in case of emergency for Fields and then McCord next season behind Fields/Miller. That is as good as anyone in the country.
I don’t think they are currently short handed but what happens if Fields breaks out and goes early? You are left with only Miller and McCord. You’d only have two scholarship QBs on the roster (excluding walk ons who could get a scholarship) and one of them would be a true freshman. There is already talk that they are going to try to restrict transfers going forward and even if they don’t there is no guarantee there will be a great transfer QB available or that he’d want to come to OSU.
Hopefully it’s worded wrong, especially considering Ryan Day handpicked him for 2021...
Its the way of the future of college football. All good teams are dealing with these problems. You have to add backup level players for depth just like we have this year. I have no doubt there will be more Chugs and Andrades in the future, both as transfers to provide a bit of experience and then QBs that come here to learn and will likely never play. That's what it's always going to be. The only way you are going to have a "good backup" is if he is younger than the starter and that's probably never going to even be a junior because a talented junior may leave
I wasn’t talking about for depth, I was saying to potentially compete for playing time if Fields left early. Day and Meyer both said Haskins wasn’t ready to play as a RS Freshman in Days offense. If Haskins wasn’t ready why would we assume Miller or McCord (a true freshman) would be? No knock against either I think they will both be great, but that’s asking something of them that not even Haskins could do. To be clear: I’m not saying another 2020 QB solves the problem, but depending on who you brought in it gives you additional options.
The only way you are going to have a "good backup" is if he is younger than the starter and that's probably never going to even be a junior because a talented junior may leave
So Hoak isn’t a good back up in your opinion?
I think Hoak is a good backup but I don't think he's as good as everyone wants. I am very comfortable with Hoak, but that doesn't mean I want him to play. Have you guys seen Bama's backup and Clemson's? They're not good.
Haskins didn't get Day's offense until he was a RS freshman, that's why he wasn't ready. Miller and McCord have been able to talk to Day and even get the playbook to start learning. Day recruited and picked Miller for their skills in his system and I know McCord has already mentioned learning the playbook when he can and he's not even a junior in high school yet. These guys should be MUCH further along in their playbook understanding when they get to campus. Will freshman McCord look like one if Miller gets hurt? Maybe, but elite freshman have looked fine once they understand whats going on. McCord's high school has a real passing offense as well, so he does have understanding of how to play QB at a high level and should need to learn as much as some guys do.
Hell if he's not ready, there will be more Gunnar Hoak's around to help if needed. Maybe not as good but someone who is not playing somewhere else would rather come "not play" at Ohio State, IMO
McCord is probably a decent backup but not good at all.
This has me confused. Can you clarify?
Yea there’s a good chance Rivals has him as a 5 star in the near future.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
Yeah I’m hoping he worded this wrong before I put him on blast lol
Yeah I meant Hoak in context... LMAO.
Yeah he talked about how a second qb wouldn’t be great but that there’s always a chance of a decommitment. Said it wouldn’t completely rule out a school but seems fair to say he’s looking to be the guy at the school he chooses from that interview.
I wonder if it's a coincidence that he's looked so good with 2 of the best 5 WR's in this class on his team. I remember thinking Zach Mettenberger looked good when he had Jarvis and Odell at LSU.
I think he's a bit too good to be the No.2 QB in the class.... but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if someone took the route of; get developed by QB guru Coach Day for two years, transfer to a powerhouse, start for two years, get drafted.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
I think the time of taking 2 QBs in a class are mostly over. Unless they change something else in the transfer rules I think it will be get the one guy you REALLY like and then fill the other spots with transfers and high priority walk ons.
What is he classified as? Pro or dual? I remember miller saying he’d be more comfortable with second qb that doesn’t have his same skill set.
Can’t wait till Bijan Robinson commits. I’ve always liked him better than Kendall Milton & his Lavar Ball-ish dad.
#OhioState LB commit Cody Simon gets his hands on another football: https://t.co/Ul8wsP2yu4 pic.twitter.com/c35lWbVQ0F— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) July 3, 2019
All of our WR commits as well as Cody Simon named to 247Sports “Dream Team” for the opening!
Noah Sewell is also on the list.. though i know that's kind of a long shot at this point.
he's such a stud i wish we could get him
This quote sums it up
It’s pretty wild to have three Ohio State wide receiver commits as the three wide receiver representatives on the Dream Team but Scott left us no choice.
Fleming and Gee on the same team as Demas and both make it over him. The first 6 pages of the forum on day 1 were "Demas is the net Julio Jones"
A little Malik in this play:
Lathan Ransom is a true ball hawk. This is his second interception in 7-on-7 play. Its a good one. pic.twitter.com/YgMPqIdvTz
— Taylor Lehman (@TaylorRLehman) July 3, 2019
Because I couldn't go for 3.
Is Bunkley-Shelton a take with 4 in the fold and Mookie next up?
Heard some scuttle that he has some grade issues, and may end up at CC.
I think we are done with wide receivers for this class. I would even go as far as saying even Rakim Jarrett is not even a take at this point ridiculous as its sounds. Mookie probably took his spot. That's how good our group is in this class.
LV is not. Jarrett would be a take anytime if he wanted in.
A five-star is a take unless he is a legitimate personality PROBLEM. Jarrett is clearly a little immature, but I don't think that he doesn't get along with anyone where you would be concerned he has an effect. Seems to be a really bad vibe on the board with Jarrett, which I get but I think that it is significantly overblown.
A 17 year old has a right to be immature. It’s crazy how we tend to place adult behavior standards on teenagers. We were all knuckleheads at that age. The real question is has he hit his ceiling in terms of maturity or under the right man’s care, will he grow into a mature young man? That’s where Brian Hartline comes in.
I don't see him being pursued to heavily. He would have really have to initiate most of the contact moving forward to be really considered
I have absolutely no clue, but I think it is probably situation where the staff is just playing it by ear and would be willing to pursue if he showed interest. The staff has been very clear that they don't want to chase recruits, so its up to the recruit to show some interest.
I’m confident that if Jarrett is interested, the staff has plenty of ways of finding out.
Does anyone know when 247 will be updating their rankings? I'm assuming very soon
I want to say it’s usually in late July/early August but as fast as the recruiting landscape changes, the past is becoming less of a barometer for predicting the future.
Just do it Elias. You know you want to!
Elias Ricks tried to get into this picture and Fleming yelled out, commit and you can get in. Everyone laughed. https://t.co/GGZ5ExQhqK
— Ari Wasserman (@AriWasserman) July 3, 2019
Fields of Dreams
I wish we could “heart” emoji posts...
Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan.
We can talk about trolling and how social media an stuff doesn't matter, but this stuff just IS NOT normal for commits, especially with someone like Ricks, who seems pretty low key personality wise. Has anyone seen pictures of ANY other recruit doing this kind of stuff this much with other recruits this weekend? Everyone has a heart attack when PJJ did it and he had a pretty clear and honest reason of doing so, whether we liked it or not.
Also, the whole time PJJ was doing it, he was also still retweeting, posting, and talking positively about Ohio State and was reported as recruiting for them months ago. This was when everyone was really scared about him leaving and he even said recently that at one point he thought he was.
I'm not saying Ricks IS flipping but I do think that people who are saying its all trolling are wrong because there is NO WAY this is cool with LSU's fan base/coaching staff, but coaching staff is in similar position where they don't really have a choice but to let the kid do what he wants because they can't afford to piss him off.
3 hours and only 35 comments? I’m gonna chalk it up to the holiday, but damn, I’m missing the chatter. Cmon, 11w nation, entertain this old man that’s doing nothing but sitting on the porch drinking America’s finest beer, Busch Light on this fine Wednesday evening.
drinking America’s finest beer, Busch Light
PBR is the finest...don’t @ me
I am here for the same reason you are.
My man, you must be an older dude like me.
Only 28, but I do love it!!
PBR is for old people and hipsters
Completely agree, cheaper isn't always better, lol. Bud light all day here
I feel like that just invalidated your “cheaper isn’t always better” claim :)
Because it ain't better.
Bud light used to be it for me, but I love the double IPAs and some nice scotch (macallen) or bourbon (eagle rare/knob creek)
You'll get some fireworks tomorrow when Fryar is our last OL for this cycle.
I was contemplating opening a bottle of Van Winkle 12 year lot B this evening. But I think I'll stick with some I.W. Harper 15 year instead :)
Y'all can quit the debate... the correct answer is Sam Adam's Porch Rocker. You're welcome.
The juice is worth the squeeze
Unquestionably, the very worst thing about summer is that it’s nearly impossible to get a good stout or porter on tap (Guinness notwithstanding).
Toured the Guinness factory in Dublin Ireland 2 weeks ago, can’t recommend it enough. It was like Disney World for adults, everyone should go!
My wife gave me trip to Ireland for Christmas but I ended up putting the kabosh on it because she’d planned it for May and it’s typically still cold, windy and rainy, so we hiked a couple of the national parks in Utah and spent a couple days in Vegas instead. Those are two disparate worlds—separated by a state border but on opposite ends of the morality spectrum. Being able to get a cocktail in Utah is a different kind of experience—they won’t serve unless you also order food.
I couldn’t handle Utah... Ireland was the complete opposite, if you wanted food you had to go up to the bar to order. That was more my speed... I spent all of May and June in Ireland for “work” (I mostly golfed, hiked and checked out whiskey distillery’s). One of the greatest experiences of my life, hope you and your wife make it there sometime. It won’t disappoint!
Summer ain't for porters or hipster beer...........................
Beggars can't be choosers and when you're in the pen, you take whatever libation they'll allow you to have. Andy, Red and their crew would've drank warm turpentine if they could've gotten their hands on it. Any flavor of cold suds would be off the charts.
Andy could have asked the guards to bring in IPA or whatever crap else-he didn't......................
In the book, Andy requested Guinness but Captain Hadley told him it was summer and he wouldn't be able to find any.
Did not remember that from book, but touché if true. The point is that beer tastes best when the temp outside is high and the beer is icy cold!
I made that up. Can’t really disagree with you, though, about how the hotter the weather is, the colder the beer should be.
Where did you get that Van Winkle?!?
Bought it off a restaurant on my bourbon trail trip this year.
Damn you lol
I knew I liked you Spooner! I've been searching for a bottle of Pappy at a reasonable price. Haven't had any luck but did score a bottle of Weller 12 so I'm close.
Lucky bastard lol :) I know they released some more Weller 12 recently but haven't been able to find one. Just picked up a bottle of Weller antique though so I guess that'll do for the time being. Also got a bottle of Eagle Rare recently too. But Winkle 12 Lot B and Weller 12 are the closet things to 23/25 Pappy. They're both outrageously good!
In MA, Weller 12 has become tougher for me to find than Van Winkle past 3-4 years. 5 years ago I could buy a case from my local store for $25 a bottle. I have couple spots here I can get 2-3 bottles of Van Winkle each fall but I haven't bought a bottle of Weller 12 in few years now. If you open it up, enjoy!
I’ll trade you Weller for Winkle. I can get Weller super easy here in Cleveland.
I thought I knew a thing or two about alcohol. But I’ve never heard of Winkle or Weller. And this is why I frequent this forum: for the liquor (and recruiting) insights.
Pappy Van Winkle is considered amongst the holy grail of alcohol globally. A bottle of 25 year can run you in the range of $20-30K per bottle.
Both the Winkle and Weller lines of Bourbon are made by a distillery called Buffalo Trace. In fact both the Weller 12 year and Van Winkle Lot B are essentially Pappy 25 year but taken out of the distillation process after 12 years instead of 25. Both are very hard to find outside of Kentucky. Weller 12 will run in the range of $250-500 and Van Winkle Lot B will run between $900-2,500 depending on the market and demand. At least those are the price ranges I've usually seen them at.
Come here expecting recruiting updates and it’s all this other beer and whiskey talk...smh...:)
Sounds amazing, but too rich for my blood. I’ll stick with Woodford and Bulleitt.
Bulleit rye is my go to, reasonable price and very good
I've got 2 bottles I'd pappy, would gladly trade one for Weller 12. They are the same mashbill, but I think W12 is better. Would love to blind taste test both to see which I pick, buffalo trace makes both, not sure if they are really that different from each other.
And on fourth and one... would you believe?
I’m down. I think I can even get two sizes of bottles (one huge and one regular)
Count me in!
More of just a Busch guy. I enjoy PBR as well.
The Future is Bright at Ohio State
Cmon bros, some statements don’t need, italics! Cheers!
Barton Simmons “Dream Team” includes...
All three WRs on the “roster” are Buckeyes...
As we've discussed, FSU is trying to get Knighton to campus for their post-dead period BBQ camp which is later this month right before he announces. Interesting tweet from his team....
College coaches you cannot be serious inviting our kids to camps July 27th when our official season starts July 22nd! Ya'll better have a Bar-B-Q and call it a day! #NoBeachBoysAllowed pic.twitter.com/kIf0hEpe2F
— Dfld Bch Football (@DB_BucksFB) July 3, 2019
I don't feel like Knighton really has all that much interest in FSU. Feels like he relishes the idea of being the 2nd RB in this class.
FSU has had tremendous success with smallish RBs over the years but it’s a mess right now. Plus a kid Knighton’s size needs to be thinking about where he’d play in the NFL and what kind of college offense can get him there. A guy his size will get beaten up as an every down back. Showing he can be a reliable third down/situational RB who can do a lot of things at a place like Ohio State still sets him up for a pro career while also keeping his body fresh.
FSU fans cannot fathom he might go to Ohio State.
Willie Taggert is going to be fired after this season.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
They cant afford to fire him. He has a $17m buyout. Havent you heard? FSU is broke. So broke, like Rutgers broke. Lol.
It’s like they invested a fortune in penny stocks. Otherwise...
Yeah the days of the "insert day of the week" night lights camps during summer are going away. But it's beyond dumb to hold one right before or after high schools start their season/pre-season camps.
Our staff however definitely made the right choice to keep the one day position camps and then do a cookout type event.
Edit: I'm pretty sure FSU's SNL event is a camp setting more than BBQ at least their fans reactions to that tweet would suggest it is.
Accurate. It's basically like what Ohio State's Friday Night Lights was in previous years.
Made more sense to hold an event like that on the old recruiting calendar than it does now. Not a smart move by their staff.
Well it is Florida State, so, you know. I'd expect nothing else.
A lot of wasted talent at FSU. Akers, Wilson, Laborn, and Woodbey are great players that aren’t being coached properly.
Akers and Woodbey should’ve been buckeyes
Marvin Wilson too
Damn honey fried chicken
It was a mirage.
Elias Ricks on his Instagram story dispels the notion that he "lives in Baton Rouge". Very weird stuff.
Why would a kid who’s publicly giving every sign he’s as committed to LSU as a serial cheater is to monogamy move from LA to Baton Rouge? The only reason in my mind would be a bagman greased some palms with a little payola to get his family to move and I’m not going to suggest that, which is why I think those rumors are just that: rumors. We'll know for sure within the next 30 days.
That's the one thing I wonder about - that perhaps Ricks' family moved there with the help of LSU boosters and they are trying to get Ricks to play a little misdirection so nobody gets in trouble. That is complete speculation on my part but it would explain why nobody seems to know 100% what is going on with that situation. In the end, if the family did move there, there is no way they make it through the entire football season without people knowing. The chatter around this situation is odd though.
Looks like others below agree that this is plausible when Independence Village 22 essentially said the same thing I did. I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all. It was just something that made some sense given the amount of LSU people who are adamant Ricks' family has moved there. To be honest I don't really like speculating on whether a player and his family accepted anything and like I said it was just a theory. Let's be honest though, you don't know either.
Yeah he 100% put those rumors in the trash....
Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time
LSU insiders posted a few days ago that he spoke to the parents and said they had moved to Louisana. Very weird to make something like that up! Wow!
Yea im thinking when it was announced the LSU football program was under investigation for paying recruits, somebody tried to clean up the current trail of paid for players. LSU insider says we isnt going anywhere, his family just recently moved here. The kid then says my parents 100% did not move there. Obvious bag is obvious.
Bradenton, Florida is such a better location to set up shop for your senior year of High School so you can then graduate in December and early enroll in January. :)
I used to live in LA - and I loved it there, aside from the oppressive heat and humidity between May and October, of course. Anyway, it’s a great place to be, but I can’t imagine that, after deciding to move an entire family for your kid’s senior year, that you would choose some football school in Baton Rouge or NOLA over an opportunity to play at IMG. That seems crazy. I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have to pay tuition if it is a hardship. Scholarships are always available for the cream of the crop talent.
Coverage of The Opening is airing on espnu atm until 12:30 if anyone is interested in seeing some future Bucks in action.
Corey Raymond is recruiting Ricks so I would assume him as a lost cause. Raymond is top 5 at signing stud db`s. There is a reason we went after Raymond hard. Its a shame we came up short. The guy can coach and recruit like no other as far as db`s go in college football. Unless lsu get in serious trouble or Raymond leaves I would assume Ricks signs with lsu. Go Bucks
C. Brian Massie
Serious trouble? I wish. It’s the sec, so nothing to see here, right ncaa? Anyway, Raymond is a stud recruiter, but my gut is telling me Ohio State has a legit shot here. I would put it 60/40 he stays with LSU, but Day and Hafley seem to be locking down Cali like I’ve never seen from Ohio State. Go Bucks!
Man that’s the thing though; Ryan day is putting everyone on notice by going hard after LSU’s top-rated commit. Think about what a statement that would be if he were to flip. Putting the CFB world on notice.
And the best part is that we’re already satisfied with the DB class, once Ransom is in. Coach Day loses absolutely nothing going after Ricks and Jarrett, but everything to gain from poaching LSU commits.
Ricks already said if Urban was there (OSU) he’d be too. So let’s not overstate Raymond’s role here. Not sayin the guy can’t recruit. But Ricks at LSU isn’t a lock because of him.
True, and while that is encouraging, Ricks also wasn’t coming to OSU for the school. He would have come to play for a legendary coach.
Good insight. upvote, even if the truth hurts.
Let’s pump the breaks on Raymond now that the eye of Sauron is watching the salary cap. Let’s see how great he is now.
I’m not sad we came up short given where we wound up.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
This Ricks thing is bizarre. All 3 LSU 247 insiders again doubled down in the last two hours and reiterated that the Ricks family does live in Baton Rouge despite the IG denial. I don’t know whether it’s Ricks, his family, or the LSU insiders, but somebody is lying
They keep reiterating it and this kid may not be eligible to suit up for the Tigers. Only a couple logical reasons on why he would 100% deny it. And only 1 of them is good.
Ohio State DB commit @ClarkPhillips28 brought the burner to The Opening. Dude is a technician pic.twitter.com/ZCu3kJQWP4— Football Recruit. (@FootballRecruit) July 4, 2019
Elite athlete. I’m excited for him
This guy is my favorite recruit of the class...until Kourt Williams commits to the good guys. I really love his game, in a similar way I felt about Denzel Ward...quiet guys and we're not to be messed with. But I'm honestly just waiting for Kourt Williams to sign, because I think he's the best defensive player we might commit. Very athletic! Really good in pass coverage and gap assignments! This would really improved a decent defensive recruiting despite the staff changes.
Size doesn't necessarily matter if you want it hard enough.
What Ohio State is doing at WR is . Theyre changing that position room in front of our eyes. From a bunch of (really good) former RBs/ATHs that run crossers to these big strapping, complete WRs that all complement each other. Arguably the 3 best WRs on hand were Buckeyes
— Barton Simmons (@bartonsimmons) July 3, 2019
Simmons is talking about final thoughts from the Opening here. Good comments about Cody Simon in the first tweet, as well as talking about the WR group. Simmons is part of the team for 247 that decides the ranking of recruits, so I think it's quite possible all of the guys mentioned could see a bump.
Im really hoping Sewell makes his UV, and if he does i hope that the staff can hit it out of the park. A LB class of Sewell, Simon and Kourt Williams would be incredible. Obviously that's just a long shot right now though.
Sewell is an absolute freak. Would love to see him in S&G
Thank you guys for continuing to pump out quality information. I've essentially abandoned this site, outside of these threads. Yall are doing excellent work!
I've essentially abandoned this site, outside of these threads.
thats unfortunate, there’s a lot of good articles posted
Have to say, the morning Skully has become really strong
Personally, and this is not meant as a slight toward any of the people working for 11W, but I find much higher and quality content on other sites. I do not want to name drop those sites, because I realize my taste may not be the same as others that frequent 11W. The Skully, as pointed out by Huffdaddy as a strength, is something I personally view as being very weak since DJ left. Regardless, have an upvote (both of you)!
The most up to date, breaking, or important news is traditionally shared here in these threads before almost anywhere. Seriously, Spooner and so many other posters are absolutely killing it!
You’re not wrong
Fryar announcing today. Someone tomorrow too, right? Can someone save me the search and let me know? Anyone have times?
Not sure about tomorrow unless someone heard something?
Fryar is today but not time was announced just some point today. However, it is assumed we will also be landing Martinez, Cooper, and Ransom in the next 2 weeks. Kourt Williams and Bijan should/could be toward the end of the month.
Would have to think Martinez announcement is soon. Thought he would be in by now.
You got your wish Stan the Man
If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?
Yes. Love his game
Way to speak it into existence!!
Thanks Spooner. My mistake now that I’m thinking of it. It was the 3 days in a row. I forgot that Royer started it, then Melton, then Fryar.
Welp, nevermind I guess. We got our 4th ... in 3 days instead of 4.
BOOOOOOM Cam Martinez is in. Nice start to the 4th.
Committed... Happy 4th pic.twitter.com/hUXPIdKghj
— Cameron Martinez (@CM240) July 4, 2019
To find Cam Martinez, we had to go North by Northwest.
TPB and Lahey on the rye is always an UV!
All Glory is Fleeting
I know it’s the fourth, but let’s get a banner up for this young man! In the grand scheme of things, it doesn’t matter, but I have to assume it’s cool for those high school kids.
OSU Fan & Alum living in SEC Country
Damn good way to start the day, breakfast fireworks and taking TTUN’S top rated athlete
Man we finally catch a break with Martinez's commitment /s
Assuming we get Mookie I would prefer Cam play defense. The receiving room is loaded I would love to have his athleticism at Bullet or Safety
Maybe Can becomes our newest Chris Gamble. Guy is supposed to be an incredible athlete, offense defense punt return etc
Great thought but we are too deep in talent on both sides of the ball now. All our players need to work their butts off and focus on one thing to get to playing time. In Gamble’s day, we were really thin at WR. We had Michael Jenkins and then the talent level fell off the cliff. My hope for Martinez is for S. No reason we shouldn’t have rangy athletic safeties every year. The gaps between the Donte Whitners and Malik Hookers have been too wide.
I can easily see Martinez being the second RB and playing the APB that seems to have been reserved for Jaylen Knighton. He’s proven he’s a great runner and it sounds like he impressed everyone with his receiving skills at The Opening Finals.
He wasn't at the Finals. He did participate in the Massillon regional though.
My bad: you’re right but my point still stands—if we need a change of pace on offense, he can provide it.
Never heard of or read M live.com, but they have a very detailed article about Cameron-Martinez posted. Great and positive article
It’ll be M dead.com at this rate...
MLive is the website for basically all of the major newspapers in Michigan.
That’s not true. Neither Detroit paper nor the Lansing paper is part of MLive.com. The Detroit Free Press and Lansing State Journal are both owned by Gannett and part of the USA Today Network. The MLive Media Group newspapers include The Ann Arbor News, The Bay City Times, The Flint Journal, The Grand Rapids Press, Jackson Citizen Patriot, Kalamazoo Gazette, Muskegon Chronicle, The Saginaw News, and Advance Newspapers.
Yeah shame on you MI Buckeye for not knowing Michigan newspaper politics
Spots are pretty much spoken for: Kourt, Ransom, Fryar, Mookie, Robinson, Knighton, one of the north Carolina def. tackles...get in while you can.
So, technically, we're at 18 but more like 17 since PK Jake Siebert is expected to greyshirt; however, 2019 punter Michael O'Shaughnessy is expected to greyshirt this season, which presumably would make him a de facto member of the 2020 class. In any event, this class could be 95% full by the time the Buckeyes open against FAU.
AE, was that futurecast for Bijan Robinson yesterday the one we were supposed to get? Kinda strange how silent 247 has been compared to Rivals I know Robinson was at the Rivals camp, but I had assumed that information would get out to the 247 staff sooner or later.
Very strange. All this waiting for Bijan is giving me turquoise testicles
He said crystal ball.
No it wasn’t.
I think it’s BG. We haven’t seen his yet have we?
Popped over to mgo and saw they have a forum on Melton and Martinez committing to us. Pretty delusional comments, fun read. Here's a sample:
July 4th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
They recruit the shit out of quite a few states but the difference between the recruiting and talent levels of Michigan and OSU is not that big of difference. It's going to come down to development and execution on the field.
July 4th, 2019 at 11:32 AM ^
They recruit the shit out of quite a few states but the difference between the recruiting and talent levels of Michigan and OSU is not that big of difference. It's going to come down to development and execution on the field.
7 top 100 guys (and counting)
2 top 100 guys is not that big of a difference?
It’s also quite funny that he’s confident that scUM will develop and execute better than us. The best developers on their coaching staff are now on our coaching staff, and 14 of the last 15 years has shown who has executed better on the field.
Lets be honest with ourselves here. Don Brown is one of the top developers or schemers in the country. And with him alone the always have a punchers chance, maybe mac off of mike Tyson's punchout chance. But they guy crumbles when he faces his big rival. You take those tOSU games off the books and he has put up a couple of historical level defensive seasons.
Yep that Don Brown d that gave up 60 and could have been much worse without the turnovers? That Don Brown?
Terrible take. His defenses get absolutley shredded when they face elite offenses. They bludgeon the weak and thats about it. Don Brown is probably the most overrated DC in the country.
Skunk weasels haven't developed blowing their nose properly let alone developing players to win at the higher level. Coaching has been meh, and losing to top tier teams is the only thing they have developed and actually got pretty good at over the last 20 years.
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
The main forum 247 was running for the Opening got annoying when different fanbases started arguing instead of discussing what was happening on the field. However, the Michigan fan who was posting was so delusional I thought he might have been trolling. I still couldn't figure it out by the end. He claimed their 2021 class would be all-time great. He claimed that Michigan would dominate the Big 10 this year as usual. He used OSU's top WR recruits to somehow show that Michigan's offense would be unstoppable in 2019. There were some others I am forgetting but it was certainly something.
He used OSU's top WR recruits to somehow show that Michigan's offense would be unstoppable in 2019.
If someone can logically prove/show this, then they are intellectually superior to the rest of humanity... You’d have an easier time convincing me the world is flat, and I think Kyrie Irving is a loon...
He was comparing the top team at the Opening and the 3 OSU WR recruits to Michigan's 2019 offense with Shea and company. Someone then pointed out that he was using top OSU recruits as an example for why the Michigan offense would be powerful this season. In a thread with many over the top fans he was in a league of his own.
I thought he was arguing that “OSU recruiting great WRs would lead to TTUNs offense being great this year.” If he could have pulled that logic off I would have been impressed. As it stands, it doesn’t sound like he even made a logical argument. He just said the TTUNs offense will be like a great group of high schoolers at a camp...
Well, the flat earth society does have chapters around the world...
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
There are also people who say whiskey taste like crap...
I love this guy on mgo:
July 4th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
It's better than them pulling the elites from all over the country like they did under Meyer
July 4th, 2019 at 11:26 AM ^
It's better than them pulling the elites from all over the country like they did under Meyer
July 4th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^
Ryan Day will not recruit as well or better than Urban Meyer
July 4th, 2019 at 1:40 PM ^
Ryan Day will not recruit as well or better than Urban Meyer
They are such mouth breathers
The LSU rivals site is apparently reporting that Ricks in fact is not moving to Baton Rouge and the family is annoyed with the rumors. The LSU 247 thread about Ricks just got locked by the mods an hour and a half ago
This has become the strangest recruiting story of the 2020 cycle. LSU insiders all maintain his family has moved there. Ricks and his family maintain they haven't moved there. Ricks then flips to Ohio State - ok that last part hasn't happened...yet.
Speak it into existence.
"I was tired of trying to work my way around the back so I just ran him over.” -Joey Bosa, PSU 10/25/14
Just read the USC board and Greg Biggins confirmed the move to Baton Rouge isn’t happening. Looks like an absolutely epic fail by LSU insiders.
Shea Dixon said he talked DIRECTLY to his parents. That’s the interesting part.
So either he’s lying or the parents are being weird?
Fryar is in. BOOOOOM!
For those unaware Josh is 6-5 305 with the same wingspan as Taylor Decker so he can also play tackle. To me he's Ryan Jacoby with longer arms.
Forgot to mention he also looks like Dudley from Harry Potter
I think he sounds like Josh Myers 2.0--identical size, high school OT likely headed inside, great run blocker, needs to work on pass pro, even named Josh.
Any chance Martinez can add a little weight and play Darron Lee type linebacker?
IMO he doesn't have the frame for that. Lee was taller and was able to put on LB size (although he was a light one). I think Martinez will be in the secondary if he stays with the defense.
Closest thing he could be would probably be a bullet, but I don't think they are even looking at that. He's not a huge kid but he already looked relatively well built, so it's not like we can just throw on 35 pounds like some other guys. Think we probably want him to be similar to how he is now and use his athleticism.
Something we normally do is think a class will all pan out, if the Oline class has 3/6 turn into high level starters it will be an amazing class. Let's say Paris works out, Wypler is a solid starter, then of the other four if one works out its a really good class.
July 4th fireworks started early today I see with Martinez and Fryar committing...
Man, I had to go to the store and pick up some things and before I can get back another BOOM!!! This is becoming epic in coach Day’s first recruiting season!!! Just think when he has a year of experience under his belt, lol
Is anyone concerned about all the 3*'s? Didn't seem like Urban had this many in 1 class. Yeah, stars aren't everything but we made fun of ttun last week for all the 3*'s they got.
Short answer, no. Long answer, nope. Trust the staff until/unless they show that they aren’t trustworthy.
Urban took ten 3 stars and only one 5 star in the 2015 class. Also, I’d expect three or four of our 3 stars to get a boost up to 4 star in the coming months.
From this day forward, whenever I am reading a comment from Spooner, I will be picturing Ari Gold...
You'll always have 3 stars in a class. A couple should probably be ranked higher (Royer and Martinez at least). Of the nine 3 stars, one is kicker, and 4 are OL, and five of them are in state kids. If you're going to take a flyer on someone, I'd rather do it on: 1) an OL, which are harder to rank properly and which there are not enough 4 stars to fill out a class of 6 anyway, and 2) on in-state kids.
I'd say only one recruit is a real reach at this point, though others may disagree.
It’s Fleming, isn’t it?
They’re composite 3*
247 has them as 4*
I trust the staff, 2 pure tackles, 2 inside guys and 2 flexible guys. Room needs to be restocked as I also believe they’ll be some transfers and/or guys not getting their 5th year currently on the roster.
This class's average rank is higher than 2011, 2012, 2014, and 2015. It also will rise with the recruits the Buckeyes are rumored to be getting soon. Four of these 3* players (Martinez, Toutant, Fryar, and Royer) are close to 4* status. All four of them are 4* players in 247's rankings and I think Martinez, Royer, and either Toutant or Fryar probably end up there in the composite. I actually like the balance of the class and this is the type of class that built those 2014-16 teams that were Urban's strongest.
Gee should be a 5 star if we are talking about stars. Bottom line is the last two classes combined is what's important. Just loaded on Offense. Edge rushers. QB. If they pull Ricks Cb is set up too.
Nope. Three stars fall into several catagories. Kids with physical characturistics but need development. kids that will play a different position when they get to college, players that may not have the exposure thus underated and desparate grabs to fill the class. Last time i checked it aint January so the last is out.
Offer list dude, chill bob
I’m sure this will get DV’d for this (I almost would do it myself), but I would at least consider asking Leroux to look around. He is not and has never been OSU caliber. Definitely a fit for MAC schools, but given the class we have (and if we are truly hard capped at 25), that spot should go elsewhere IMO.
He’s a bit of a hefty boy, but I’m convinced mick can take care of that in short order. My understanding is that he showcased excellent athleticism for his size, and while he is definitely a project I think it’s beneficial to have a few of those guys here and there, especially along the o-line where it is rare that freshman see any significant reps anyways. Plenty of time to train his body and mind.
He definitely has really good athleticism. That video of him doing a box jump at his size was nothing short of amazing. He definitely will need to develop, but I think it's definitely possible for him to make an impact in the future.
Definitely!! Most definitely!
Didn't realize I said "definitely" a million times in that post.
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man
What part of what Ryan Day stands for makes you think he will ever do that?
I don’t think he ever will. I believe I said I would.
I'll take my chances with a 6' 8" 355 lb OT that might be a project to start. You can't teach size,
That’s too much size honestly. O linemen need to have foot speed and be mobile so that defenders don’t just run circles around them (cough Isaiah Prince)
Is there an ideal height for OT? It seems like the guys tallest guys don’t work out as well as the guys around 6’6”?
I’m with you, as he’s an instate kid you know they’ll be pushing him hard and keeping tabs to improve and improve his fitness between now and when he enrolls. Keep working hard Trey!
Oh that Isiah Prince that was drafted in the NFL and started at The Ohio State. Think I'd be happy if Leroux ended up in that same boat.
Wiltfong says we have the best o-line class in the nation.
and Prince is the backup LT to Laremy Tunsil. I do get it. Prince was my whipping boy too but still a decent player just not as good as we expected. In a perfect Buckeye world we would only sign 5 and high 4 star players. But that's not realistic. And to me half of the fun is seeing the staff guess right on 3 stars that become great contributors.
Seems the LSU story of the Ricks' family already moved to Baton Rouge has completely imploded. I think we are going to flip him.
It's not that big of a deal lol. Ricks was pretty candid and said he won't flip unless something goes wrong at LSU
Watch what they do, not what they say, hope he enjoys that OSU vs PSU game in the shoe, his lips say committed but his travel plans say maybe not
It's a huge deal. If he stays at in Cali or goes to IMG, the chances of him flipping increase drastically. He also has an OV scheduled. It's not like he's always been a pipe dream, he was huge on OSU and things fell through when Urban retired.
He spends more time with OSU recruits than some of our other commitments and talks about OSU a lot. I've never seen him with LSU guys or hyping LSU. I'm not saying it's done, but I think it is MUCH closer than 'only if there is a coaching change at LSU.'
Meanwhile, i wonder how the NCAA investigation into LSU cheating is going.
WILtfong literally reported he was recruiting for LSU all event, you don't see it because you aren't looking for it lol
Paris was recruiting for OSU while visiting other schools, it happens. It's no indication that Ricks is 100% with LSU and going to sign his LOI.
Recruiting for LSU except all the time he was spending with the OSU recruits. Sure seemed like he spent far more time with the OSU guys that in the ear of others about LSU.
We'll see. If he takes that official.....I think he flips. If he makes his way to Columbus before the season starts... it's happening.
Also a lot of talk about transferring so he can graduate and be an early enrollee.... if that prompts him to transfer to IMG.... he'll have a lot of OSU chatter around him 24/7.
I mean serious question here.
Do you think he’s going to come out and say “yeah I’m thinking of flipping soon”
No I don't, he was pretty candid saying he would have commited to OSU if Urban was here that's something LSU fans are probably upset about. If he has serious interest he will visit if he doesn't visit there is really nothing to talk about
Anyone smell smoke? It is the 4th after all....
Lmao the LSU mods locked up the thread talking about Ricks' family moving. This whole thing is becoming fascinating
It just dawned on me that if Robinson, Knighton, Ransom, Cooper, and Williams commit by the end of the summer Ohio State will be at 24 commits and we will then have 4 months worth of threads centering on whether Ricks will flip or not. Guess that's one of those good problems to have. But seriously, it would be odd to basically have the 2020 class wrapped up by September.
Kind of crazy how quickly the recruiting calendar has changed with the spring officials. Previously, if OSU had 24 commits before the season, I'd be a little worried that they would be more like the old Mack Brown Texas classes. And I would almost certainly expect to lose some of those kids. Now, though, it just seems normal. I don't know if they'll keep all the commits in this class, but I think the chances are much, much higher than they would have been even 2 years ago.
23 commits since Seibert is a gray shirt were technically at 18 right now.
I'm not sure how we count the gray shirts. Seibert is a gray shirt but 247 includes him in the class numbers for ranking purposes but P Michael O'Shaugnessy was a 2019 gray shirt commit, so wouldn't we have to count him if we're not counting Seibert? I believe he goes on scholarship in the Spring 2020 semester.
I have been asking about O'Shaughnessy's impact on the 2020 class for the past several days and haven't gotten a straight answer yet.
I'm not positive, but I would think that O'Shaughnessy would be part of the 2020 class. He was technically part of the 2019 recruiting class, but is grayshirting, just as Seibert is this year. You can basically move Seibert to 2021 and replace him with O'Shaughnessy in 2020.
Now, there could be a scenario where one or both go off scholarship if room is needed, I would think. They're in-state kids who would pay in-state tuition and could probably find some other type of scholarship for assistance, but I think it's safe to go ahead and count them as scholarship players in 2020 and 2021.
I would count him for 2020 numbers and not Seibert. The current 11W scholarship grid does not list O'Shaugnessy (he should be with a 2020 asterisk the same way Seibert currently is for 2021.) This makes sense as he will not be on scholarship for the 2019 season. From what I read he will be on scholarship for the 2020 spring semester (January) moving forward. He goes on scholarship when the 2020 early entires do. So for counting scholarship spots, I'd say OSU is currently at 19 for the 2020 class.
Fryar, turns out is a great punter, incredible now we even have a built in back up superb punter
5 top 100 guys.
When are we going to stop recruiting top 100 guys and get higher rated players?
And we thought there were a lot of threads in regards to Harrison...
Ya’ll better get on board boys.. this train’s about to leave the station!!
You can say that again, SFB!
If we get Mookie Cooper and Gee Scott Jr gets his fifth star (both seem very likely), would this be, on paper, the best WR haul ever for any team? Sure seems like it.
Two five stars and two high four stars.
I know casual fans lose their minds over 3* recruits but I really like the ones we have in this class. They all have a really high ceiling and that's why we got them.
I was looking over our class on 247 when I realized I didn't know if there was a moniker for the class this year, a-la "Dream 14". Is that something that doesn't happen anymore, or did I just miss it?
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
Honestly it’s probably because nothing cool rhymes with 20
The Plenty Twenty
"Give your dream an aspiration date."
Beasty Twenty !
I thought the commentariat had agreed to Vision 2020.
Eye can see that. Visionary!
Elias Ricks flipping to Ohio State is looking more and more promising. The staff wants him to visit before the season starts. Let's see if it happens
I like how to seems that the LSU fan base/media are sort of pushing him away from staying with LSU. Their paranoia will only get worse until he officially signs with them. Hopefully he chooses the good guys.
Where did you read about a possible unofficial visit?
I'm praying that you're right and the visit happens, Ricks has always been the guy I wanted the most in this year's cycle. I haven't thought we've had a legitimate chance with him since Urban retired, but man oh man if Day pulls this off somehow...
Ugh. With growing popularity the riff raff allowed to post on this site has increased exponentially.
if you add .01 to the ratings of Martinez, fryar, toutant, AND royer they are all composite 4* players.
do you see how stupid you sound complaining about these "3*" ratings?
For someone that isn't as educated on rankings, this may be a valid concern for some individuals. I don't know why everyone is getting so pissed about someone asking about 3 stars. Politely educate them and move on.
I think it's because looking at stars and composite ranks is easier than watching their film.
Your facts are good. Your delivery??? Let's just say a little polish might help. ;) no dv from me though.
Nah, they have always been here. Have you ever taken a glance at the live game threads?
No. I only read the recruiting stuff.
Lots of the bad ones there must have migrated over here.
Just came on the site recently, how do you upvote?
I think you need 50 upvotes before you’re allowed.
here’s one to start!
Here's another one.
Thanks guys. FYI, I’m working with dogs in the shelter here in Raleigh and they bring me in to train them and during that process I get to give them a name, now I’m going to name them with Buckeye names, did Ballard after he committed, they want me to start on one tomorrow so , what name would you like to vote on? Suggestions?
Lejond(legend) isn't a bad dog name
I was thinking oh him or Scott after Gee but Lejond and Gee have been pretty awesome
French Poodle could be named Paris.
Chihuahua could be named Yippler.
St Bernard could be named Phlegming,
Mookie would be an awesome name for a dog.
Love the Paris if it’s a poodle but this one is apparently a Pitt bull mix/boxer. I agree that Mookie would be a great name for a dog but he hasn’t committed yet, since I start this canine training, I incorporate name through voice, going to go with Lejond
What kind of sick puppy would down vote someone giving a new member an up vote?
Must be a scUM troll.
You have enough helmet stickers to upvote and downvote. It’s the up and down arrows to the right of the comments.
I dont know how you get helmut stickers but i guess i have them.
People upvoting your comments. Any upvote you receive gets you a helmet sticker any downvote you receive cost you a helmet sticker.
I know Cam, Fryar, Toutant and Royer are very close to being classified as low 4*s but what is the odds they will actually bump them all up. I have noticed in the past that I always seemed like once a kid committed to TOSU then they seemed to drop in the ratings. Maybe this is me having felt slighted for the the have seemed to be treated in the past. Is there a changing of philosophy towards our commits now that they can’t hate TOSU that Urban is gone. I always felt like people either loved or hated Urban (polarizing figure). I am very appreciative of what Urban did and has handed over to Ryan Day and company.
The point isn't that they will get bumped.
the point is, WTF does it matter if they all get a .01 bump?
will they all suddenly be better players?
No, you took my comment out of context, I wasn’t caring if they do or not. To answer your question, no they don’t end up being a better because their rating. I was just asking because some people on here are complaining we are taking 3*s. I was just curious if there was a shift in how TSOU commits are treated vs SEC school commits. I like to think our coaches to a great job of getting good top 4* & 5* players but also a great job finding 3*s that we can devolpe and the play with a chip on their shoulder.
In Woodsheds defense (if he took it out of context), the commitment pages are often littered with people saying “we will never win championships with all these 3 stars.” The reality is this class is easily a top 5 class, it is contending for the top class nationally and all some people can do is complain. Nitpicking and saying you’d like to see a couple changes is fine, but the people who claim we cannot win championships with classes like this are a little over the top (and will never be happy).
On your take, I fully expect several OSUs commits to get rating bumps in the coming months. I don’t think recruits are penalized for committing to OSU, however I do think lower ranked recruits who commit to Bama and Clemson seem to get a bump. At the same time Clemson has signed a lot of 3 stars under Dabo so my feelings maybe my bias/Clemson hate kicking in...
I still think Cavazos is going to get a bump too. He will probably remain a 4-star in the composite. But ESPN has him at #250, Rivals has him at #142, and somehow 247 still has him at #487...which seems absurd based on his athleticism and his performance at The Opening. I still don’t understand that one.
He was hurt in IMG’s fifth game last year and missed the rest of the season so questions about his health and the small sample size of work could be the thing that’s been holding him back. IMG sent four DBs to FBS schools in the 2019 class (USF, USC, Missouri, and Michigan) so it’s not as if his absence likely hurt them.