Without question, Day is off to an excellent start, and he's putting his mark on an already healthy foundation in the program.
We'll see what the future brings, but I'm happy with the balance between keeping home talent home and continuing to cast the recruiting net across the country.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
I love that picture above with Henry, Day, and Johnson.
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
Yes, but why in the world isn’t Coach Day smiling? Or even laughing at his own good fortune?
You want some of this?
"I think Alabama would beat Ohio State if they played next weekend!" Clay Travis Fox Sports Post Championship Show 1.12.2015. Needs no explanation.
Coach Day's approach in-state is what I really have been hoping to see.
I do think they took commits from a couple 3-star guys that Meyer may have passed over, but to me the reward outweighs the risk.
If you take a few 3-star guys that are under recruited and you develop them into high draft picks, that's the best way to recruit, not just in-state, but nationally. Any high rated 4 or 5 star kid is going to see a kid who may not have had the attention he's had on the trail and want to get that coaching and development. Make a highly recruited guy into a superstar, make an under recruited guy into a nationally recognized player. That's the best recruiting pitch you can make.
The sentiment of "it should be every football player born in the state of Ohio's dream to play at Ohio State" really hits home. I really like coach Day's approach here.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
While it is nice and a good feeling to get the in-state players ultimately to be a national champ/contender every year you have to recruit and get the best players possible wherever they come from. I would be careful in the zeal to build up the Ohio coaches that he does not slight coaches from other states and they start directing their players elsewhere.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I doubt any out of state coach would feel slighted, the probabaly get theat every state's big time program is going to try to keep the best in state talent in state.
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Exactly correct, 78. As if a coach in California or the Carolinas would feel slighted over Day prioritizing the Ohio State program's lifeblood... elite Ohio football players.
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When he has a 4-5 Star recruit and we take an elite Ohio 3 star commit in his place, I can understand them feeling slighted.
Obviously no doubt you want the best guys no matter what state they're from, however early on in his run as the HC, I think Day is playing it right. Get some under recruited guys, I mean they have the talent, as much as they want to recruit in state, if they don't belong at OSU from a talent perspective there's no way they're getting an offer. Turn those kids into national names and the recruiting begins to sell itself.
Also, Ohio is always going to have a handful of blue chip guys, it's always been that way.
Every kid in Ohio has the dream to some day play here but not every kid has the talent to play here. I don't understand the Ohio thing football player play's just as hard no matter where they come from. That Ohio thing showed up big time USC 0/2 huge defeats vs LSU and Florida which could of been worse. Maybe Hartline should just recruit Ohio wide receivers get over it people Ohio talent is not like the days past. Once Day starts winning don't look for to many of these in state projects.
So osu lost to fla and LSU badly those years, but a counter-point is that ~70% of the osu starters in 2014 were Ohioans.
Most if not all of those kids I believe were highly recruited players. How many Ohio kids were on the teams that got thumped by USC and Fla along with LSU?
Not sure. I just know that a team with 70% starters from Ohio won a NC.
Maybe it was the type of players we were recruiting from Ohio that got us rolled in those games. We weren't into speedy athletic players... it was a style difference in my opinion our teams had a hard time matching up with those fast, athletic southern teams. I think we could have went through Ohio and put together a team that was more suited to play against those guys not saying we would have won but I think we could have definitely done better. We probably would've had to recruit players we normally didn't recruit and go to schools we normally didn't go to but I'm sure we could have come up with something that was a better fit ...those teams we had back then were kinda slow and unathletic....lol.... we got more speed and athleticism in Ohio than what those teams represented
If Urban was still HC Leroux wouldn’t be a Buckeye.
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Agree. Makes me wonder a little bit. Seems like maybe we didn't need to offer him that soon.? But I'm not familiar with our O line recruiting.
I think for a guy that has never done this before, this is the smart way to do it. If you focus out of state where the coach is a bigger draw and the school less so versus instate kids, there is more risk. Start with locking down Ohio where the school is a big draw and then over time as you build your name you can draw kids from areas that the school pull isn’t as great. Plus, Ohio has some talented football players.
Plus, we know TTUN can’t build a team without Ohio kids. So, locking down the state hurts them too.
Taking a page out of Tressel's book with some Meyer-esque national homeruns. Not a bad formula.
It seems to me that Day found a happy middle ground between Tressel and Meyer. Tress had the state locked down so much that it basically sunk Michigan, but Tress didn't get enough top-end talent to beat the top schools at the time. Urban went after the best of the best and loaded the roster with talent, but since Fickell and to a lesser extent Coombs left, Ohio has been undervalued.
We'll see how how Day's plan plays out, but i'm encouraged for now.
And the biggest example of Tressel hitting a home run on an out of state prospect (Terrelle Pryor) led to Pryor not accomplishing as much as he should have at OSU because his development was entrusted to Nick Siciliano. UGH!!! I can only imagine what Pryor might've looked like playing under Day or Herman.
Pryor may not have live up to the ridiculous hype, but he did pretty well. His record as a starting QB was something like 32-5 with 2 BCS bowl victories. His 2010 statistics compare pretty favorably to Troy Smith's 2006 Heisman winning season.
I'm not saying he didn't do well. But he never developed properly as a passer (which was very much due to Siciliano's failures as a QBs Coach) and he never got us to a Natty appearance (whereas the guy he replaced led us to a Natty appearance in his only full season as the starter however much things had to fall into place for OSU that season). Tbh if Justin Fields accomplishes nothing more at OSU than Pryor did with all the hype surrounding him and all the talent he has around him I won't be thrilled (and I don't think that will be the case considering Fields has MUCH better offensive coaches guiding him than Pryor did).
Justin Fields accomplishes nothing more at OSU than Pryor did with all the hype surrounding him and all the talent he has around him I won't be thrilled
How do you feel about Haskins? Because the team accomplishments between Pryor and Haskins are pretty similar, taking into account playing time.
Haskins broke Drew Brees's B1G single-season passing TD record in one season. Pryor was the starter at OSU for 3 years (well for most of 2008) and his passing numbers were very pedestrian during his first two seasons and downright mediocre at times during his freshman year (2008). I don't see much comparison between the two. Pryor's stats looked amazing because of his threat as a runner and his ability to carry the offense because of that. As a passer he was far from elite. Compare that to Haskins who is probably the most polished passer OSU has seen since Joe Germaine and there's little to compare between the two. Pryor was uber-talented but he wasn't exactly a complete QB and defenses knew that and actively tried to exploit that playing against him. OSU not getting to the CFP last year was far from Haskins' fault. Blame last year's porous defensive play for that.
The vest was a funny guy when it came to recruiting first he didn't have the name and while at YSU recruited Ohio a little bit in Florida and states around Ohio. He also didn't offer a large number of players many times after the top kids left for other schools was stuck with plan B or searching for talent late in the game. He should of had a larger net out there but didn't. He also didn't push real hard for kids. He once said I want kids that want to come here. True but you need to show others what this place is all about. He wasn't very good at recruiting coach's either once his original staff left bring in family and grad asst. to fill spots. OSU is not a training place for coaching. He came here at a good time the B10 was down but didn't do well against good teams. I feel after Coopers kids left other than beating ttun he shot his wad.
I disagree. I'd argue Tressel's recruiting got better in his later years at OSU (considering he managed to snatch Terrelle Pryor away from Penn State and Michigan). As far as his coaching staff goes the only family member he had on staff was his brother as RBs Coach throughout the entirety of his run (and Dick Tressel was a quality RBs Coach, I had no complaints at all about his coaching). I agree promoting Siciliano from video coordinator to QBs Coach after Joe Daniels retired wasn't a smart decision and he was a little too loyal to his staff (Jim Bollman being the most frustrating example of that). But Tressel was still an excellent coach who revived OSU football (which was dying under Coop towards the end of his run) and completely turned the tide of the Rivalry (which matters, don't think for a second that's not the case). And he did have multiple assistants go on to be head coaches later in their careers (Mark Dantonio, Darrell Hazell, Tim Beckman, and Luke Fickell all come to mind).
I feel after Coopers kids left other than beating ttun he shot his wad.
After Cooper's kids left he won 6 Big Ten Championships (3 were shared, yes I am counting 2010, it happened), played in 6 BCS bowl games (2 of which were NC games) with a 3-3 record.
The B10 was in a bad way when he was here everyone beat ttun. What was his record vs quality teams I bet under 50%. He nearly through the Arkansas game away because he wouldn't put teams away. He got here at the perfect time and should of spent more time doing for what he was paid to do instead of teaching a meaningless class how to punt a football. He had the balls of saying he wanted to be coach and AD too. Little big man he was glad he is gone.
I don't have time to figure out his record against "quality teams", but in his first 5 years here, he was 19-8 vs. top 25 teams. https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2017/1/21/14311146/ohio-state-football-urban-meyer-jim-tressel-woody-hayes-comparison Considering he only lost 9 more games the rest of his time at Ohio State, I feel pretty comfortable saying his record was over .500.
Just stop talking. The scUM teams that Tressel faced in the early half of his career at OSU were significantly better than any recent scUM teams that Meyer has faced (have we forgotten that Lloyd Carr dominated OSU prior to Tressel's arrival). That 2006 Michigan squad was easily the best and most talented team they've fielded in the last 20 years. There is NO argument here. Michigan hasn't been an elite program throughout Meyer's tenure at OSU. When Tressel first started at OSU OTOH they were an elite program whereas OSU was basically coming off two season comparable to the Hoke era at Michigan.
m GO BLOW!!!
Recruiting has been a bit of a surprise to me. I thought a top 10 class but have raised it to a 5 and maybe higher. OSU like other schools recruits itself I could get a decent class and never coached football. I have said maybe to many times here that I'm all for recruiting Ohio but not just to get numbers up from the state to please a few fans and coach's. Like it or not talent has been thin and not really deep for sometime if you check your top 250 list or even the 500 list as it was some years ago. Even with Woody and Earl imagine if we took a few more kids oos back in the day our teams would of been much better and a couple more wins over ttun and B10's and maybe a NC or two. Recruiting is the life blood in winning and to win you need top talent so aim high. Day has a decent Ohio group this year and next year even better they say. We just can't rely on home cooking Ohio won't fill every position year after year and really never has. One thing that's great in Ohio it doesn't have any other true school to fight with in state for talent. The state up north has two schools fighting for even less talent year after year and we dip into the bucket and pull a player or two now and then. Like it or not we need to be a national recruiter if you want to win more than the B10.
Day has done a tremendous job getting big names pulled in from out of state. Pretty sure Meyer would have gone after the big names in Ohio too with the recent uptick in the talent here. It does seem to be the few 3 star guys Day has landed that Meyer may have passed on, and I'll accept that and hope they pan out.
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Ohio has a strong couple of years of players PJ, Henry, Sawyer, Chrisman,Ballard,even Seibert, Day is following what appears to be brilliant, lockdown the top 10 or so, take developmental players that typically redshirt like OL, Def linemen and start developing them, leaving TTUN, PSU, Michigan State, Wisconsin of the neighborly big rivals, it starts diluting those teams, Franklin was picking off a few marquee Ohio players, now he is pickingt up questionable players. I think Day’s approach is working and is brilliant
Not really they will just go to another player from another place that's of equal talent. Once you get past the cream at the top the talent evens out. The schools mentioned get the Ohio kids because of the dream to play in the B10 and they are easier to recruit than someone farther away. You take any position once you get past the elite there is a very small difference if any from a player ranked 50 to maybe 150.
Disagree with you, Our Ohio players were being poached and the get other players ignores that Ohio is the prime state for players with Pa 2nd so, it’s a domino effect, we lock down our best, TTUN has to hit Pa harder, so on and so on, while we lock down Ohio players we can then take The Fleming, Mookie types, it’s brilliant and forces other schools start tackling the 2nd tier players like M State and Wisconsin against TTUN and Pennsylvania.
It appears that Day is combining the best of the Vest and Urbs when recruiting, which I always hoped for...I think it’s tge best long term winning formula.
Recruiting Ohio kids, especially linemen and LBs who may not be as highly rated early, plus going hard after national talent, especially in the skill positions...I like it.
Ohio kids are the baseline for state pride/identity commitment. Gets the state football coaches more strongly backing you. National kids who choose here choose that cultural identity. We can cherry pick the athlete and kind of person we want in this program who will come and love the school and the state.
You win with people.
And so forth...
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Yea, Why only Lineman and LB's? Don't forget that Ted Ginn Jr and Paris Campbell are both from Ohio, can you name a couple faster than those 2? Does Ohio have the raw numbers of great recruits like they used to? NO but there are still good players in Ohio, there are also more teams recruiting Florida, Texas, Georgia and California than Ohio.
Parris was a converted RB and Ginn was a generational Ohio talent. There's a reason the state of Ohio has not had a Ginn like talent since.. He was special.
What's the reason?
I should say, they’re going after 3-star Ohio talent on the O-line and D-Line or LBs a lot earlier (like Tress) than they did under Urban.
If Ohio has a generational skills position talent like Braxton or Teddy Ginn, they’ll be all over it.
So, it’s not “we won’t take Ohio skill players” it’s that we are locking Ohio 3 star talent in the trenches earlier (because Ohio has that in abundance).
A lot of the best speed and skill players come from outside the state. Not all, but a good portion of them. Look at who Day has recruited in 2019 & 2020 & 2021 at QB, WR, RB, CB.
So very, very sad we lost out on Carman, NOT ! We end getting a higher ranked player who didn't play a bunch of games and wanted to be a Buckeye in Petit-Frere. Coach Day and his staff are doing what all Ohio St. coaches have done going back to Woody when Ohio States faculty denied the team the chance to go to the Rose Bowl. Try to get the highest and position need ranked player in the state and also go after the best out of state player. Day and his staff have done a fine job so far with the verbals. Go Bucks and have a safe 4th of July everyone.
The Vest would of never pulled that one off and funny either one getting pt so far.
The number of elite Ohio recruits will fluctuate from year to year so I am more than happy to go after more of the out-of-state players to keep the program elite. But if we're gonna take under-the-radar, diamond in the rough type recruits I'd want them to be from Ohio. They seem to always be the ones willing to work their asses off to make something of themselves and they always want to be Buckeyes.
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Get the best 2 from Ohio. Get the best 3 if they're very very good.
I'm a proponent of getting the best players to play from wherever. Im former military and I can tell you I absolutely love going into the south and taking there best athletes. I tell all my southern freind (die hard SEC that they school don't measure up to The Ohio state University brand. Straight bragging rights. Whoever fit your system. Granted you should have bias to the Ohio guys but to me best talent with great character available. Plus Ohio guys that don't get in Luke is going to get. I would love to see Luke turn Cincinnati into a power house. Honestly the difference between Lsu and Florida games was speed in the trenches not the skilled areas. Kids from Ohio are fast these days in all positions. Its a different day in time that speed garbage is an ESPN saying to keep the northern teams down.
Yea, but were doomed, because most of the Message Board CFB Experts say you can't recruit Ohio and have a high number of players from Ohio and win Championships? We have to have Texas, Florida and Georgia players to be successful. Like Browning 5 star (Texas),
Tate Martell 5 Star (Las Vegas), Matthew Baldwin 4 star (Texas), Brian Snead 4 star (Florida), Malik Barrow 4 star (Florida) and many more... Just to mention a few of the can't miss wonders from the national recruiting scene!!
BTW who would want to take players like John Simon or AJ Hawk or Daron Lee who were all 3 star recruits from Ohio?
I believe Martell was a high 4 star. Gatorade player of the year though.
Point: Martell was a 5 star at one time and fell I think. He never panned out he was over rated if he was a 3 star! He is gone, all listed above are highly rated and gone and not from Ohio. Point, Do your homework and get the Ohio Kids, Taco Charlton etc like Tressel did they want to come here and be Buckeyes. Remember Tressel played for a National Championship 3 times in 10 years, with mostly Ohio kids, I know it was a different time and era.
I have an older brother who now lives in Pickerington. Are they putting something in the water down there?