What Josh Fryar's Commitment Means to Ohio State's 2020 Recruiting Class

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2morrow's picture

Seems a bit underrated. I think we will hear a lot about Fryars in the future!

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ohst8buxCP's picture

I'm cool with taking a chance on some 3-stars that Meyer might have passed over....but the frequency with which we're doing it is making me nervous. Especially at O-line. Ratings certainly aren't everything, but lets not pretend they're meaningless. We've now take more than Clemson and Bama combined.

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Buckeye06's picture

A few updates to those rankings still to come.  Guys will rise and fall 

as I’ve said before having 55 WRs at 4* or above means less of every other position is ranked 4* or above

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JarheadBuck's picture

Unfortunately, welcome to the reality of 2019.

Day is not Meyer (at least yet...don't anyone get too defensive).  He has no rings, no national allure and no obscenely-good track record to sell.  

So, this class so far is off the charts...especially nationally...for a first-time HC, with a completely new staff and schemes, new transfer QB (albeit highly ranked) and having had a weak defense last year.

This season will set the stage for future classes, but honestly, what would you expect given all the unknowns we have right now?  Any kid that chooses OSU over say Bama, Clemson, UGa, Okie, or their home-region school either has a burning love of OSU (not common outside Ohio) or is betting on the come.  That's just how it happens this year.

On top of that, I think some of these 3-stars are under-rated.

Bottom line is it would be delusional to EXPECT much more for this class. It's just the fact of the matter, especially given the accelerated recruiting schedule.

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Ohio Guy in Jersey's picture

Yeah. It sucks to be ranked fourth. /s

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

In South Carolina there is an article about recruiting and the interviewed t  Dabo

 since you quoted Clemson and Dabo , was almost mocking the star system, he goes on to say, they could care less about that,         T they look at future potential, attitude, drive etc. At the time he was zigging while others were zagging, too many look at a flawed star system, if Gee gets a 5 star now vs 4 Etc, kids get less stars if they don’t camp etc, trust the guys who do this for a living ie;the coaches and the Pantoni’s who have to develop those kids, Debbie downers stop trying to piss on our parade , always some Saturday coach couches, just enjoy a great recruiting weekend, would any of you trade TTUNS or PSU recruiting class today?

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ohst8buxCP's picture

He can say what he wants about the star system but take a look at their class and the rankings of the kids in it. Sure seems to show something else.

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CCBucks's picture

His class this year is an outlier.

Clemson has hovered in the #10 - #15 class for a while.

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SantaBarbaraBuck's picture

“Couldn’t care less”

"Man I wish everyone stop saying I beat a kid in the hospital 91-35.... It was 98-35, had 91 with 1:26 left in the 4th"
- Cardale Jones

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Here's the thing that gets me past the whole 3-star thing--Toutant, Royer, Melton, Martinez and Fryar are all from B1G states and given the recruitniks' fascination with Southern kids, there's a very good chance these guys are underrated.

Plus, there are still a number of upgrades to come. Last year, the Composite had 34 5-stars and 351 4-stars; so far for 2020, there are 29 5-stars and 321 4-stars. That means, theoretically, five 4-stars and 35 3-stars are due a ratings bump, which means guys like Martinez (370), Toutant (385) and Fryar (414) sit on the fringe of being upgraded to 4-stars.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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aboynamedtracy's picture

He had a Bama offer. Would you be whinging if he already had been committed to them and then Day flipped him? Offer list > star rating.

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CCBucks's picture

Its been stated before by recruiting services and coaches alike, that the offensive line are the hardest positions to hand out star ratings too.

On the OL stars are handed out more on projections than actual seen talent, more so than other positions. OL has a hard time showing out in camp sessions than that of QB's, RB's, WR's and others. OL stars and final college results are all over the board.

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Berg2004's picture

The difference between a 3-star and a 4-star OL seems like a small difference and probably true for other positions that aren’t QB, RB, WR, and DB.

Plus, this year’s class is also about adding depth and quality. We need some bubbas at OL.

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stxbuck's picture

"Justification for the Buckeyes taking another low ranked OL"-this is the kind of shit that 11W  should be embarrassed to be putting out. How about "the Buckeyes took a talented OL with offers from power teams across the country"-aka-the truth-not some starhanderouter spin bs.

If the site is going to cover recruiting, don't throw unwarranted shade at commits. It's called being classy and supporting the team.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

We haven't always seen eye-to-eye but I've got your back on this one. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Happy Fourth! Now quit shooting bottle rockets out of your ass and re-read the 2nd paragraph in the "In The Class" section. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

It's a little hard to ignore this left-handed compliment:

The potential and the versatility are two aspects of Fryar that could repointed to for justification for the Buckeyes taking yet another low-rated offensive lineman.

The second part of that sentence is completely unnecessary.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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stxbuck's picture

Spin it how  you want, it was a low class move by 11W. No need for that kind of comment in an article.

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D56GoBucks's picture

Offers over star rankings. If the coaching staffs at Ohio State, Alabama, and OU deemed him worthy of an offer, that’s all I need to know.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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MN Buckeye's picture

Welcome to the family, Josh!

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Buckeyebobby1968's picture

I’m concerned about taking yet another 3 star recruit. In order to be elite like Clemson or Alabama you need highly ranked players it’s just that simple. 

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Drewbdu's picture

Clemson took fifteen 3 stars last year. 

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D56GoBucks's picture

Alabama’s 2018 class included seven three-star recruits. So, there are two very recent examples of those very programs we strive to compete with lowering themselves to such unfathomable depths.

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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RaleighBuckeye's picture

Wrong, Dabo disagrees with you, I’m looking for an article they did about this and Davi himself threw cold water in what you just texted, When U find it again will include, it was a South Carolina article from about 6 years ago

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jcposu's picture

OMG the sky is falling! What could we possibly do with a three star OL? Oh wait two 3 star OL went in the 1st round of this years draft and both were lower rated then any tOSU OL recruit this class. Same thing with the 2018 draft. And for all those who are saying “Urban would’ve never taken a chance on these guys” you are full of sh!t. Brady Taylor, Marcelys Jones, Tim Gardner, Pat Elflein, Branden Bowen, Kevin Feder, Grant Schmidt, Jack Wohlabaugh and Gavin Cupp were all 3 star OL that Urban recruited. How about Chris Olave? Also 3 stars. Sometimes the ignorance on this sight is astounding (I’m not trying to call you out specifically bb1968). Clemson has only signed two 5 star OL since Dabo has been there and still has 2 nattys. The area where the recruiting services are least accurate is the OL. Development is the key not stars. Happy 4th everyone!

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stxbuck's picture

Alabama has at least 3 3 star OL commits this year-did Saban and Co. suddenly forget how to recruit/evaluate OL talent?

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brutus360's picture

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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Hovenaut's picture

Dude looks like a mauler.

Eager to see what Josh Fryar accomplishes in Columbus.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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Ohio1111's picture

Yawn. Another low 3 who wouldn’t have even been looked at Under Myer. Not even sure tressel would have taken some of these MAC kids. Hope Day didn’t fight too hard to beat out IU and Indiana state on this one. It used to be we offered these kids Incase we didn’t land the 5 * at the end of the recruiting cycle. Now 3* are our top targets.Welcome to mediocre 

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Drewbdu's picture

We’re pretty much a lock for a top 5 class right now. The guys expected to commit in July are:

4 star Safety Lathan Ransom

4 star Linebacker Kourt Williams

4 star Wide Receiver Mookie Cooper

4 star Running Back Jaylan Knighton

5 star Running Back Bijan Robinson 

Then, after July, I’d expect:

Either 4 star CB Makari Paige or 5 star CB Elias Ricks

Either 4 star DL Kedrick Bingley-Jones or 4 star DL Jacolbe Cowan

We will easily have a top 5 class by the time all is said and done. 

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brutus360's picture

Based on your previous negative responses from other posts, makes me think you're sulking around today saying America could have become independent easier somehow.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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D56GoBucks's picture

I hear ya, I hate settling for top five classes, too. Top five classes are the quickest route to mediocrity. 

"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"

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Gflbuck's picture

Maybe you should read David Regimbal's latest write up.

4. Class of 2012

Ranked No. 5 Nationally, 25 Pledges

Meyer got more out of the 3-star pledges then he did from the five highest-rated players in this class — 5-stars Noah Spence and Adolphus Washington and 4-stars Tommy Schutt, Se'Von Pittman and Bri'onte Dunn.

Among the 3-stars in this class were Michael Thomas, Cardale Jones, Pat Elflein, Cardale Jones and Tyvis Powell, all of whom were starters and stars on that national title winning team.

While on paper this class was inferior to the '18 group ranked behind it, those 3-star surprises elevate the ranking.

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BuckeyeDave's picture

Love that Cardale Jones is listed twice...

"Without winners there wouldn't even be any civilization" - WWH.

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PsyBuck's picture

Wouldn't have been looked at under Meyer? You can't be serious right? Meyer took PLENTY of 3* guys, and many of them ended up surpassing the 4* and 5* guys by the end of their college careers.

Don't put all your chips on these star ratings. 4* and 5* guys are usually going to be very good players in college, but 3*'s typically have the highest upside in reality while many 5*s seem to fall way short of expectations.

Furthermore, have you seen the guys in this current class? We have like 8-10 players all inside the top 10 in the nation in their positions.

The sky is not falling. Not even a little. Well, unless you are a *ichigan fan who expected Ryan Day to suck at recruiting.

"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"

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Sav45age's picture

He is rated as a three because he is not ready. That's all they said. He has to become more athletic to go from Indiana HS to B1G. There aren't 6 Paris Johnsons out there, and we don't need immediate contributors on the line. The starting five is solid with three others that are ready.

If you're disappointed then you must really want to win the whole recruiting ranking contest. It'd be nice,  but that's notgoing to be us this year. It's between Clemson, Bama and Georgia.

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martin anderson's picture

It wasn't long too ago that this board was laughing their asses off about all the 3* recruits that UM was getting yet now we're getting them and people are ecstatic

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BuckInNashville's picture

Because we know that Michael Thomas was a 3* and so was Darren Lee. And because we know that Iowa , MSU and Purdue are perennially stocked with 3*’s and they either give us fits or beat our ass. 

I have way more confidence in this staff’s ability to develop players than the last one. Did you ever imagine that even 4* LBs would develop into great players with last year’s staff ?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Welp, as the old saying goes, "Yes, I know my kid is ugly but don't you dare tell me my kid is ugly."

The only positions where Michigan currently has a commit rated higher than an Ohio State commit are DE (#81 Braiden McGregor), LB (#147 Kalel Mullings), Safety (#159 Jordan Morant), and RB (#201 Blake Corum) but with the likely exceptions of McGregor and Mullings, Ohio State is in the hunt for three players whose rankings would surpass Morant and Corum: RBs Bijan Robinson (#22) and Jaylen Knighton (#108) and Safety Latham Ransom (#76), while LB Corey Simon (#153) is only six spots behind Mullings and could be headed for a bump. When all is said and done, McGregor could be the only Michigan signee who's rated higher than his Ohio State counterpart.

Of the current top 15 commits between Ohio State and Michigan, Ohio State has 10, including the top 6. Michigan's class is 3-star heavy. That's the difference. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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brutus360's picture

Always good to read your posts IB. Maybe we have that DE position in good order for now, but I still wish Bresee would have come on board. Regardless, not a big worry there. 

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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khardy's picture

Redshirt development player got to have the..Stars ***

bigndog

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allbucksallthetime's picture

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allbucksallthetime's picture

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allbucksallthetime's picture

It makes sense to me that 3-star kids are the lifeblood of any great college football program.  Why?  Because those are most often the late-bloomers, young men who did not do the camp circuits so didn't get noticed, may not be as big, fast, or as powerful as their peers but have huge hearts and great work ethics, and are willing to do the dirty work that is so often over-looked and under-appreciated.  Ask anyone who has coached about 3-star type recruits and they'll all tell you 5-star stories.    

Some of our greatest Buckeyes were 3-star recruits.  Josh Fryar's versatility and pedigree are certainly worthy of being recruited by OSU.  Count me as one who is glad to have him become a Buckeye today.  Go Bucks!

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brutus360's picture

Those multiple posts make no sense. ;)

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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allbucksallthetime's picture

My original post got cut off and posted multiple times.  I am not sure how that happened but appreciate your patience.  Go Bucks!

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brutus360's picture

Allgoodallbucks. Made me start thinking about the Josh’s on the line. Josh Myers and Fryar. There’s something to play with there. I at least want to add an s to the new guy.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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MercyTex's picture

Twice the effort of my triple post. Boss said that I was a slacker. +1. 

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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allbucksallthetime's picture

hahaha  MercyTex, maybe I am twice the slacker you are!  Go Bucks!

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Blue Eyed Buckeye's picture

6 OL is a lot in a class. Especially since there are 7 players with freshman eligibility on the roster. Also, 4 of them are rated as offensive tackles.

Is this a shift by Day to preferring recruiting OTs and playing them inside?

There was some concern a while ago Paris Johnson was quitting, is he safe? Is this a move to cover the OT position if he leaves?

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brutus360's picture

Just me, a don’t know shit poster, but I think Johnson is a safe bet to stick. And those big tackles are versatile to play in or out. But if they develope they have the size for tackles. Adding line depth is always a positive.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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stxbuck's picture

Johnson is the type of talent who could very well start as a frosh and leave after 3. The rest of the class could be candidates for RSing, except for Wypler, who might be the most under the radar stud in the entire class.

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TheNomadicBuckeye's picture

All this negativity is baffling to me. Kid could have went to Bama, where he’s almost guaranteed to be on a team that makes a playoff and possibly a title game while he’s there. Instead he’s headed to Columbus. Kid could have went to Penn State or Oregon where you CAN get to the NFL and he’d have a clearer path to playing time. Instead he chose to be the sixth OL in this class and wear Scarlet and Gray. Kid could have went to Indiana and been big man on campus with 3-4 letter years and at the very least a sweet local job after trading off his name. Instead he said, “I’m a Buckeye.” That’s the kind of guy I want regardless of ‘star’ rating. Welcome home young man. We’re proud to have you. 

It’s pronounced “Thee”.

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BuckeyeDevil's picture

Agree totally. Last time I checked, Alabama was the the type of program, at least on the field, that surpassed all other programs for the past decade. Saban wouldn't offer him a scholarship if he wasn't plenty capable of playing at some point in his career. I think it is great offer and I think Day has done a banner job in recruiting.

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brutus360's picture

I’m just here to back up you two nomadic devils. 

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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buckslan's picture

Why is it always the casual idiots that pay next to no attention to recruiting, the ones that complain the most about getting 3* kids? The recruiting services are not correct, they're not perfect. 4* kids are not always 4* kids, 3* kids are not always 3* kids. Good grief, they represent the worst of this fanbase.

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