Summer Forecast: An Updated Projection for Ohio State's 2020 Class Following a Mega Month on the Trail

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Is this the first year the hard cap is being enforced? Several examples of going over with last years class.  

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Andrew Ellis's picture

That's the big question. There are teams going over 25 every year but some folks are saying they could be cracking down on it. I'm honestly not sure at this point and am trying to find out more. 

buddyguy's picture

Andrew, teams can still back count early enrollees as long as they have spots available in the previous year's 25.  OSU is in great shape in that regard, signing only 17 in the last class and some of those were back counted.

This "25" thing gets people mixed up every year.  The NCAA didn't help by writing the bylaws in a confusing way, but it's crazy to see people misinterpret it.  In any case, OSU's current issue is the "85" not the "25".  I think they can get to 27 in this class.

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Andrew Ellis's picture

Good to know. Had been expecting 26-28 range to be the final number.

iowabuckeyes's picture

Seems like odd timing for the NCAA to crack down and suddenly start enforcing that rule, assuming it didn't previously inform the schools (which wouldn't surprise me) but if it did, I'm trusting Day, Pantoni, Brian Voltolini and the rest of the staff have been on top of it all along, even if the rest of us were blissfully ignorant until now.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Hovenaut's picture

Day and company assembling an impressive class, as if there was any doubt...

Appreciate the recap, AE.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Bucks19's picture

There was doubt. Some in this board. SMH!

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gobucks5413's picture

I don't know what it is... but I think we will regret it if we don't get Mayan Williams. Kid is a baller. I understand the timing and the numbers crunch, but he's the type of Ohio kid you hold a spot for

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LouBuck35's picture

You dont hold a spot for the 744th ranked player in the country when you have the other recruits Andrew mentioned.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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moopdawg's picture

I like Miyan Williams's highlight video.  He appears to be able to run through contact, but he's nimble and fast enough to break runs too.  I also like how Andrew uses the word "compliment" to describe Williams as an addition because Williams's running style looks like it would be a good change from Robinson's during a game.  Definitely need depth at running back, as these kids take some serious hits throughout the year.

Surprised to hear Jaheim Thomas's name still mentioned.  I kind of think that if Melton is in, he's basically taking Thomas's spot.  Looks like there may only be 7 Ohio kids in this class, but I appreciate how the staff is recruiting the state.  

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letsgobucks's picture

Robinson AND Knighton??? My top 2 targets??? I seriously don't know what I would do with myself!!!!

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Bucks19's picture

Think Knighton is a long shot. Crazier things have happened though. If he doesn't go to FSU it will be a big surprise  

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awlinBrutus's picture

Let’s just hope he’s not a big fan of honey bbq chicken.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Lots of high caliber players in this class. I’d like to see 3 blue chip DBs in this class above any other position 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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seyekcuB's picture

#2 or 3 class if that happens

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Bucks19's picture

#3 best case scenario. Georgia and Clemson are killing it and Bama always brings a top 2-3 class in 

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Montana silver bullet's picture

A nice little run.............

Montana Silver Bullet

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brutus360's picture

Will be a great class. Tease me with Desmond Evans. That addition would be icing.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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avail31678's picture

Very curious about the Rakim Jarrett comment and why why should still keep an eye on him...

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

We were on his short list for a long time before Meyer resigned and he committed to LSU. Recently, he's removed all of his LSU-related posts from Twitter and his bio no longer mentions the fact that he’s committed to the Tigers. Hartline was able to forge a good relationship with both Rakim and his mother, so that door is always open, even slightly. If he gets back on campus, it could get interesting. 

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avail31678's picture

Thanks for the info!  I do remember Hartline doing work with him, but I was unaware of his Twitter tellings.

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Buctor's picture

Looks like this could be another outstanding class.  But how they improve once on campus is maybe even more important.  Lots of new coaches, so even after the recruiting is in, the wait will continue.  But there is plenty to give us high expectations.  As has been said, it's fun to be a Buckeye!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Major H's picture

Need I say more?

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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FitzBuck's picture

It’s stuff like this that we’ve been missing since Birm left.  Thanks AE.  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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gobucks1966's picture

Please correct me if I'm wrong here. A few years back the B10 allowed you to take 3 players over your 85 limit but you had to show reason for doing so? The SEC and others recruited over their limit so the B10 opened it up to what I mentioned above. It only makes sense that everyone should take more players than seniors leaving because of medical hardships, transfers more than ever now along with the NFL draft. Following recruiting for a life time we lose about 3.5 kids on average to transfer a year. Now with more kids leaving for the NFL you never know who for sure will leave. Plus the medical we hope no one but that comes into play at times. So my point is if we have 17 seniors 3 transfers and 5 going pro with nothing else your set. However I see transfers on the rise and the NFL how many we don't know. I'm betting we take more than the 25 maybe 27 in this years class. It's also possible if we don't take 27 Siebert wouldn't have to gray shirt and get his ship this year. They are using him as a wild card for a extra spot in this class. If we have more leaving than expected I bet he gets a ship too this year..

Denny

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Bucks19's picture

For years it’s been you had to be at 85 or less once camp started. 

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awlinBrutus's picture

I’m fine with going over the limit as long there isn’t any reaches. I see 3 reaches already. Be better off banking scholarships unless the coaches know for sure how many transfers and medicals are coming. Be nice to reward contributing walk-ons also.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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gobucks1966's picture

I should of checked before I posted above but we have 19 seniors leaving and lets say 3 transfers and I see more than 4 going NFL which makes 26.I also think there is no 25 cap either. Simply our team would be under the 85 if more leave the program and that would put us or any team at a disadvantage. It comes down to a date they have to reach 85 I believe. So 85 is the magic number to make a long story short?

Denny

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Buckeyeinchitown's picture

The NCAA is enforcing its 25 limit rule (with a couple exceptions in place) starting this year.
So schools pretty much will now be capped at 25 (but like I said, they do have a couple exceptions in place).  You MAY be able to get to 26 but you won't be seeing the 28 Alabama recently had.

It is going to be interesting to see if they further make adjustments for the transfer portal but for now that is not part of any of the exception rules.
(Interesting they were discussing this very topic on ESPNU yesterday).

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cdub4's picture

There is a 25 man hard cap. There was a 25 man hard cap last year also.

Last year you could backcount early enrollees to the previous years 25 man limit. I have not seen anything saying you still can't backcount initial counters, assuming you have the room in the previous years class, but this has been questioned on the forums.

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gobucks1966's picture

Thanks guys I missed those rule changes. So lets take our team this year we lose 19 seniors and if 7 or more leave either transfer or NFL our roster for the entire season will be less than 85 ship players and puts us at a disadvantage. I don't like it and everyone should be on the same level playing field. That 7 doesn't include medical or if more leave one way or the other.. We could have a roster of 80 ship players.

Denny

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iowabuckeyes's picture

But capping it at 25 also puts us in a position to attract top players looking to transfer in after the season ends. With the portal making the process easier, transfers are going to become an even bigger factor and while we will likely lose backups, it puts us in a position to attract starters, e.g., Josh Jackson, who’s an NFL caliber OG and who is quite possibly the most valuable member of the 2019 recruiting class because he immediately fills a huge hole in the OL that a true freshman wasn’t going to fill. Hundreds of players entered the portal this year (including at least 46 quarterbacks) and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if those #s increase by 50% next year. It will be interesting to see how many backups follow Kelly Bryant’s lead and leave before they’ve played four games and blown a year's eligibility.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Hanawi_'s picture

FYI, transfers count as new enrollees for that year as well. It's one of the big issues with the portal right now. Too many kids transferring and not enough open spots bc schools are already at their 25 man limit.

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gobucks1966's picture

You get a vote for that one I never looked at it that way. However it's going to help the better teams to fill voids with proven talent over a kid you recruit and may not pan out.

Denny

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weimerad's picture

Don’t want Jarrett, just get Cooper to fill the slot position and the WR group will be awesome!! 

Andrew, few questions; 1) what’s happened with Drennen as the APB option?  2) saw OL Ryan Lincicum release a top 8 that included OSU and said his recruitment is wide open.  Any chance OSU can get him if not Fryer?  3) is Mitchell Melton a definite take if he wants to commit? Read about some drama about his father making some comments, which sparked a lot of predictions to SCUM.  Now it’s swinging back to OSU direction.  

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gobucks1966's picture

Did you want Jarrett a couple months ago I would guess yes like most here. Not Andrew but I have a feeling the word is out on the street who our rb duo will be and Robinson is one of the two.

Denny

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

Curious about the “don’t want Jarrett” comment...

Seems like you take any 5 star kid that you can get, unless there are some serious issues with a kids character, which I am unaware of with him.

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gobucks1966's picture

It's because he didn't come here first I would be a Buck on it. People make mistakes maybe he has a change of heart.

Denny

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Things with Drennen have cooled considerably. From what I have read, he has had several bad camp appearances and is dropping off Ohio State's radar. 

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Bucks19's picture

Why would you NOT want Jarrett? Because he went another route after Urban left, whom he had a great relationship with?

I’d take him in a NY minute!

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

As you noted, Desmond Evans is a pipedream unless he visits, but do you think it's either Bingley-Jones OR Cowan on the defensive line?

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Unless they change the early enrollee stipulation (those players are not counted against your incoming class number), the 25-player cap is kind of meaningless. FWIW, the increased focus on the 85-man limit, along with the 25-player "guideline" has aligned SEC recruiting to the rest of the country, as much as possible anyway. I don't think there's as much a difference in their signing practices with us as there were about 5-10 years ago. 

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gobucks1966's picture

The SEC wasn't the only conference that fudged numbers. Delaney and the B10 allowed ourselves to be at a disadvantage then later added 3 players over limit and was still at a disadvantage but had to show reason why you went over the limit. What fans don't realize is the amount of players that get drafted in the SEC that need to be replaced each year to make the 85 and they lose a lot of kids to transfer and just not cutting it grade wise. I have a buddy who is a A&M fan and asked him one year how they got away with so many recruits like 30 or more one year. He broke it down to me and it was legal how they did what they did. At the end of the day everyone carries 85 though. In reality Delaney hurt the B10 by not allowing us to do what everyone else was doing. If you make a mouse trap in short order everyone will have the same mouse trap.

Denny

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Bucks19's picture

A couple kids a year doesn’t make or break a program. Delaney didn’t hurt the BIG. On field performance did. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Delaney wasn’t great. It is what it is. 

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gobucks1966's picture

Numbers matter and what you say is correct too. Tress always pissed me off for not casting a bigger net for recruits. Many times he offered around 100 kids or less. Once your top of the board players turn you down your stuck with plan b or c and even looking under rocks for talent. I can't recall which class but Montana's son was one of 4 qb's we offered that year and all 4 went to other schools. Many of you cats love the guy he did so many things backwards.

Denny

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Txsbuckeye's picture

I like this forecast. I like it a lot

 

#TheBuckeyesAgainstTheWorld

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Based on the picture at the top, what's everyone's level of confidence Julian Fleming's legitimately 6-2?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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gobucks1966's picture

I saw him play live in the state finals and will say he is right around it 6 foot for sure. He is also a punter but lets hope he doesn't have too from what I saw that day.

Denny

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Cam Martinez reminds me of Curtis Samuel...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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AnnArborsBuckeye's picture

I really, really want him in the class and will be broken up if he chooses TTUN over us. Based on Andrew's words here we are in good position for him.

Get dumped then

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BodyBuilderBandDaddy's picture

This year is key to maintain our advantage at getting top RB's. We have the advantage over a Texas program in terms of production at RB's going to the next level and having success. Plus 2 1000 yard rushers last year. But it wasn't the kind of year w/the most highlights from our RB's. Still... We should land Robinson. What concerns me is maintaining it thru the letter of intent. If the line and Dobbins have early success this year... No question. And 2 things should happen... 1. Fields running will no doubt open up the run game. Teams have to commit a spy or he'll house it. 2. And after watching Crowley in the spring game and his highlight tapes... He's underrated... Greatly. The future is bright. 

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stark county buck's picture

OSU missed out on a good running back in Trayanum! It’s sad because he is very talented and from Akron.....It’s a reason why there is a “legend of Chip” in the Akron area! The kid is special!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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dvo45's picture

Good RB. Would make a great LB. 

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gobucks1966's picture

He chose to go else where not OSU's fault. He stated that he was worried about who they were recruiting. In my eyes it looks to me he was looking for the easier path for PT. They would of taken him but he didn't commit.

Denny

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Turfgrad's picture

Good start to 2020.  Momentum with good direction.

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