The past two coaches got caught up in some sort of scandal (whether the program was penalized or not), so if Day can avoid his own and win a bunch of games, then he will leave a legendary mark.
I still have lots of respect for Tressel and Urban, but everyone will remember their “scandals” just as much as their records and titles.
In the world of big time college tootball, being able to leave a program completely of one's free will and volition without controversy would be a legacy within itself.
Another thought, will Coach Day be able to truly claim a legacy of winning as his own as long as Urban Meyer stalks the halls of the athletic department?
Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72
I think you're right, Berg04, but...
Tressel's punishment did not fit his crime... period. Kids traded cleats for tats and Tressel lied to the NCAA to protect the players for having the nerve to trade a trinket for something they valued more in return. Dumb? Absolutely. Scandalous? Not to me. What should have been a slap on the wrist was turned into a giant thing because of Tressel's lie for the purpose of insulating his kids. He left the NCAA with a choice... make a severe and unrelenting example out of a guy who lied to us, no matter how ridiculous the original 'crime' was to being with, or punish him with a three game suspension and a public admonishment which clearly shows people watching that lying to the NCAA will not be tolerated, no matter the circumstance. They chose the former, and they chose wrong, imo. All they accomplished was to remove from college football a classy guy who cared about his players and university, and who was a tremendous ambassador for the sport.
Meyer was infinitely more stupid than he was scandalous, I believe, at least with regard to his time at Ohio State and his handling of Zach Smith, unless you think bungling the Chicago B1G media presser last summer and providing Smith with 'one more chance' about hundred different times was scandalous. I think it was stupid, and I think that Meyer, while an all-time great football coach, is far from the brightest bulb in the batch. His repeated mishandling of situations while at both Florida and Ohio State indicate to me that, outside of recruiting and developing football players, Urban Meyer has some questionable ways of dealing with problems that should be easy to manage.
Big time college football is corrupt, like big time everything in America is corrupt, but to me, Tressel is a smart, genuine guy who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar and took a disproportionate beating for it. Meyer, on the other hand, seems less than smart in dealing with things not involving player development or recruiting, where he's the best, and far less than genuine. He is, however, a winner of nearly unparalleled success, and in this world of specialties, Meyer is arguably the best at what he does.
When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's
I use the word scandal since that’s how it is likely used outside of the Buckeye fan base.
Scandal is probably more appropriate for the PSU-Sandusky and current LSU situations, but it is what it is at this point.
Oh, absolutely. Those outside our circle see the Tressel and Meyer situations as scandals, no doubt about it. But what's scandalous to me is Jerry Sandusky showering with teen boys for years on end while those who had some idea that something wasn't right buried their heads in the sand. Scandalous is Ron Meyer at SMU in the late 70s/early 80s (I wonder if he's related to Urban... both are Ohioans). Scandalous is Miami for two decades, and USC with Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush. Clearly, I'm biased... but Tressel, especially, took a beating he hadn't earned. None of this is to say that either Tressel or Meyer are pure... they absolutely aren't... but while stealing a pack of gum from Kroger and stealing a ten million dollar piece of art from the Louvre are technically both stealing, the latter is clearly a bigger crime than the former, and Tressel's 'crime' relative to the UNC debacle, FSU in the early 2000s, Ron Meyer at SMU, Pete Carroll at USC, Barry Switzer at OU, or Schnellenberger, Johnson, and Erickson at Miami for years on end isn't a crime at all, yet Jim Tressel was slapped the hardest by the NCAA... by far.
I think you forgot Baylor.
Tressel was hagged for sure.
Sorry im late. Had to drive a bulk shipment of needles to Clemson
Da juice ain’t worth the squeeze
BINGO! You said what I've been thinking but couldn't express.. For some reason-I believe the team will actually perform better without Meyer.. I love the guy-but I think the season since 14 have shown his true ceiling.. So close to the top, but there was just something that he couldn't get past. I think Day come sin with a different type of intensity that the guys will respond too in spades..
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"Day come sin" or Day comes in. A small difference in pronounciation and spelling, but different in interpretation. OK I'm an ass.
m GO BLOW!!!
"Another way Day can instantly become popular among the fanbase is doing what Chris Holtmann: exposing himself."
Yowza. Here I thought Harbaugh having sleepovers was bad! Now excuse me, I have to get back to teaching at a school where our goal is to make sure our students are mentally challenged (this was actually stated in a brochure a private school I used to work for put into circulation).
Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something.
Is “Day come sin” a Freudian slip?
Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!
let's hope not, or an ESP moment either.
I loved Tressel but I think he kinda dug his own grave in lying to the NCAA. I get that he didn’t want to throw his star players under the bus, but even stonewalling would have been a more effective defense (which UNC later used to perfection). Having proof he lied kinda put OSUs hands in a bind.
Meyers mistakes were more compounded over a long time than a single solitary incident. He should have cut ties with Smith after the first incident at UF. He shouldn’t have brought him here. He should have told Gene about the history. He should have cut ties after the incidents in 14/15. He should have been more forthcoming at Media Day.
Tressel had a brilliant old-school strategy to winning games!
Was he not in three NC games?
Too bad he tried to skirt responsibility!
Both of the last two “scandals,” though, were heavily overinflated by the tabloid media. Not quite Fake News, because there were minor issues in both cases, but maybe Hate News.
With that in mind, Day can possibly reduce the likelihood of another Hate News “scandal” if he is very well liked by the media. A lot of sports media hacks hated Tressel’s meandering non-answers to their questions. They once admired Meyer’s confident edge, especially at Utah, but when it got attached to the Ohio State Death Star, it became cockiness and insensitivity.
...Tressel’s meandering non-answers to their questions.
I miss those pressers.
I think Hate news is fake news, as the facts get shaded with hate and/or opinion. Then we are hearing an opinion presented as fact. Each "news program" seems to present the same story a bit differently than the next one. Some more than others. Hate sells though.
A lot of times these news organizations get their stories from the AP, like everyone else, and then opine!
This is NOT news!
Definitely... especially when Clemson can get away with barely a second mention in the media when something that's actually a team infraction occurs.. Maybe the secret is in how things are handled. Act like a slightly confused good-ol-boy when confronted with something like players testing positive for PEDs and it gets forgotten. If you start apologizing, Twitter and the media smell blood and pounce.
I liked Meyer’s forthcoming—but then to blatantly lie—tough! Tressel was shifty, but then a really big liar after all those books about “Coaching God’s Way!”—really tough!
Urban, Tressel and Woody, the best of the best, but flawed . . .
As are we all
I don’t think Day needs to make the team his own!
He needs to clone Meyer and Tressel!
It's pretty hard not to because anything can be spun into something negative with enough hate involved. If you give second chance or someone the benefit of the doubt it can be spun one way and if you don't it's spun a different direction.
I'm already bought in.
Can the guy recruit nationally like Urban: Yep (H. Miller, J. Miller, Cavazos, Phillips, Toutant, Fleming, Scott, Wypler, Smith-Njigba, Vimahi, Crowley, Wilson, Chambers, Hickman,…).
Can he get the big-name players: Yep (Wilson, H. Miller, Fleming, Johnson, Harrison,…)
Can he keep the top players in Ohio: Yep (Harrison, Johnson, Stover, Potter,…)
Can he bring in great assistant coaches: Yep (Hafley, Washington, Mattison,…)
Can he avoid hiring average coaches (like Davis, Beck,…) who are his friends: Yep…so far.
Can he answer questions in a clear, concise, and honest way: Yep.
Now, if he just wins, he'll be legendary.
Nothing is too difficult for the person that doesn't have to do it.
agreed. and one more to be answereed - can he avoid the blowout losses to teams osu should beat - like iowa/purdue and even mich st in '15. urban did well with the bucks, no question - but, in a way, with the talent he had, he underachieved. he could have easily had 4 NC with ohio state instead of 1.
Exactly right. Coach Day will be considered the best since Woody Hayes if he wins it all in January and repeats that 12 months later. Crazy to expect too much too soon but I think amazing results will follow.
Mattison is a turn-coat, beware!
The Michigan offense will be totally different, so his inside information may be outdated!
Actually, Fickell is a very good coach at Cincinnati! Taking over for Tressel was hard—respect has to be earned—a culture has to be built! Is Day a strong enough personality?
"Another way Day can instantly become popular among the fan base is doing what Chris Holtmann: Exposing himself." Sounds like more of a Penn State thing to me.
All kidding aside, I'm in the camp that believes Ryan Day is sitting in a great position to win bigger from the get-go than many seem to be expecting.
In 2018 Ohio State held the nation's highest ranking for "College Football Team Talent", according to 247sports (the 2019 rankings are not yet available). In any case, it's safe to say he will be inheriting one of the most talent laden teams in the nation - certainly, more talented than any opponent on the 2019 schedule - much more in most cases.
Unlike most new head coaches, Day will have the advantage of already having a three game trial run as head coach under his belt. And of course, the players have already been running his offense. Offensively, the transition should be fairly smooth. Of course, a quarterback who is new to the system is clearly a concern.
We had such a drop off defensively last year, I don't think it'll take much to make improvements on that side of the ball. Again - the talent is there -
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers
Sounds like more of a Penn State thing to me
Yeah, nothing like that could ever happen at Ohio State, right?
It will take years to see how Day puts his imprint on the traditions of Ohio State football.
As for program philosophy . . . one key difference, compared to Meyer, is that Day’s program will not try to win the February recruiting “championship” as if that is a major goal in and of itself (Meyer said - I’m paraphrasing - if they keep score at something, we want to win it). Of course, Day will try to stockpile elite talent, which usually means a lot of 4- and 5-star recruits, and therefore high national team recruiting rankings, but it will be a means to an end.
Avoiding nepotism and not tolerating sub-standard performance from assistants for the sake of convenience would go a long way to improving the past two coaching regimes, although it’s hard to complain about their success against TTUN and each winning a National Championship.
OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!
Yeah, Meyer's biggest flaw was that he preferred having close friends and those he felt he could trust on staff, and honestly it's hard to fault anyone for that too much. It ended up biting him in the butt on a few occasions though.
Day could be the first Asian coach to win the NC.
Win or lose this is Ryan Days team, he already owns it. The only thing Ryan Day has to do is not be like the last coach we had who was not form Ohio or had no ties to the university! If he does that he will be successful and lead OSU to the promised land.
I mean..he can kill Quick Cals if he wants to. Everyone seems to agree that one is dumb.
Please get rid of that. Seems like pee wee pre game.
The students and band love it if you ever watched pre game before the Bama game. It's original and not meant for the fans anyway.
as is the Buckeyes playing an obvious trap game in the middle of the season
the corporate overlords in A-Deck not getting into the atmosphere are some of the greatest traditions in college football
Some more than others.
This last one not as great.
In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...
As a student who very passionately gets into games, I can’t state how much this frustrates me. We’re trying to create an hostile atmosphere for opponents and we have this huge section of the stadium that refuses to even clap for anything less than a TD. It’s flat out sad.
There’s a reason that Happy Valley and Camp Randall are such difficult places to play, even if their team isn’t highly ranked. It’s because the entire crowd is into it at all times. And I’m sorry, but the Horseshoe as an environment is no where near as intimidating as those two places, among others. And it has a lot to do with the apathy of those sitting in A deck.
I agree with your observation. As an old guy of 60 years of age, it frustrates me as well.
Ohio Stadium should be one of the most difficult venues anywhere for a team to visit. Sadly it is very seldom as intimidating as it should be.
Give me the student section any day. I would rather stand the whole game anyway. Easier to fill your lungs and project some noise when standing.
“The greatest impact that you will ever have as a head coach in any sport at any sort of competitive level is the amount of success you have in the win column.”
As an Ohio State fan I expect to win the BIG every year and compete for a birth in the CFP and a National Championship. Considering I grew up in the 90’s era of loosing to TTUN, I am pretty jacked up about those expectations and do not expect to lower them, Ever.
However, as a high school teacher and coach and at a 5A high school (winning a state championship and being runner-up twice) I cant help but bring up that the greatest impact a coach has is not in the W column. Maybe to the fans, and to that coach staying employed, but not to the people the coach cares about. Winning helps obviously, but a coaches greatest impact is on the players lives they have coaches and the building a positive and productive community surrounding the program.
Sorry for the ranting, GO BUCKS!
This is a golden age for Buckeye football. Maintain and keep Ohio (and NH) proud.
So is Day officially considered to be 3-0 on the record books?
I’m not sure. I kinda doubt it. I know that Luke Walton doesn’t get credited with the 25-0 (or whatever it was) he went with the Warriors.
I’m with Brutus, I don’t think it counts. Nor do I think that it should count. Being an intern coach is drastically different than being a true head coach, especially when you know the former coach is returning in three weeks.
If Saban decided he didn’t want to waste time crushing FCS and terrible conference teams and just go to the beach those weeks, he could appoint some lackey to take over. If he did that for like ten years, the new guy could start a new job 50-0, which would seem more than a little misleading. You need to look a guys full season to get a complete picture of how good they are.
Breaking: Cody Simon commits to Ohio State
Why aint it posted on eleven warriors?
I love the black or pewter helmet game, and the fans all wearing red as opposed those white outs. We need some new fan inclusive tradition. Think Terrible Towel, 12th Man, flash cards spelling Go, Bucks!
And maybe we can put a 9 volt charge in the seats so fans jump at the right times!
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I don't care if Ryan Day is a native Ohioan or not. If he is successful he can be an honorary adopted son of Ohio.
Xichigan adores Bo but he was Ohio born. Saban is from West Virginia. Dabo was born in Alabama. There are many others.
If he can successfully utilize the talent, stay scandal free, win games he should and annually crush the Rival, he will be revered in Buckeye land. Let's give him some time to construct his scarlet and gray juggernaut. GO BUCKEYES !!
I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes
Just win baby. And don't allow any scandals. And don't let the job get too big for you.
Small tasks, right?
Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege.
Tyrion: A wedding.
He has to win right away because this team has to much talent over every team we play. OSU fans turn quickly on players and coach's here. I have heard boos many times as the team entered the locker room at half here. Only Urban can get away with a loss at Purdue and Iowa. Day won't have mulligans like Urban had and honey moons are very very short here. Everyone has opinions and why the love for the Vest I will never understand. He won a NC with another coach's players and beat ttun who stunk in that era. You fail to see what happened in two other chances at a NC along with his record against quality teams was poor. He could never get a coach that was any good to replace the ones that left and the talent was paper thin after he left. I wish they kept him on two more years the fans wouldn't be so giddy about him. Plus the game has changed and he like Woody wasn't going too.
What? I believe Tressel won more BCS bowl games, against what would have to be considered "quality teams," than any other BCS era coach. Yeah, his team got smoked by USC in LA, he lost two national title games (what a loser), and 2004 was an 8-4 low point... but you're denigrating a guy who coached for 25 seasons, and who had his teams in a national championship game NINE times, winning FIVE of those games. We're debating whether or not a guy who had close to an .850 winning percentage at Ohio State was any good? This is a man who navigated his program into three title games, beat *ichigan repeatedly - and ttun was still a solid program under Lloyd Carr through 2007 - won elite bowl games (not bullshit Holiday, Citrus, or Outback Bowls), a national title, seven B1G titles, and recruited very well. The talent was not 'paper thin' when he left... Meyer went 12-0 with that paper thin talent in 2012, and were it not for Gene Smith's bungling of the self-imposed penalty, that team would have go on to play Notre Dame in the title game. You can rail on his style, i.e., Tressel ball, or on his love affair with Jim Bollman, but if you don't understand why Jim Tressel is beloved in Ohio State circles, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Holy cow...
I’m curious about what everyone thinks about Day doing away with Friday Night Lights for this new Buckeye BBQ. This seems similar to Michigan’s BBQ at the Big House that Rich Rodriguez started and has continued for 11 years now. I’m sure it plays well with the recruits, but Friday Night lights made a very cool recruit and fan experience. Any thoughts?