The on field success of Trevor Lawrence last year has me that much more excited to see Fields play this year. He Lawrence can do it, so can Fields and the Bucks (as long as the D plays its part).
“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden
Fields’ arm talent doesn’t concern me in the slightest. It’s all about playbook retention, feeling the pocket, and reading defense for him; those are the only attributes I haven’t seen on film during his freshman year. If he can do any of those things half as well as Haskins from last year, we’re in for an exciting season.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Much the same way Lawrence did last year.
Very good point, Cooper, and something I've been telling everyone since his transfer was announced. There is no question Fields can sling it. But without the above-the-shoulders element, the arm talent won't mean nearly as much.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"
Agree. I don’t doubt that it’s there, I just literally haven’t seen it in an intense competitive setting. It’s the question with every talented quarterback, and Haskins was everything and more that OSU thought he would be. I see similar potential in Justin.
But without the above-the-shoulders element, the arm talent won't mean nearly as much.
Nothing against Fields performance at the camp, but a 7 on 7 is not the same as a game. You have to have a high football IQ to be successful in a game. Not so much in a 7 on 7 camp.
Comparing him to Haskins is a tough go!
Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!
Hmmm . . . question marks about playbook retention, feeling the pocket, and reading defense sounds like the same profile that sent Warren Moon to destroy The Canadian Football League as a young pro, before the wake up call that brought him to the NFL (where he always should have been). Reminds me of an old friend who was a respected surgeon in his native Ghana, but had to manage a Burger King in Reynoldsburg while the AMA pondered his playbook retention, feel in the pocket, and ability to read defenses in the Operating Room.
Do your thing Mr Fields, and hopefully you'll not only confirm but maybe even exceed Haskins' amazing 2018 season by out performing Trevor Lawrence again--but, this time in the 2020 National Championship Game. GO BUCKS!!!
All progress has resulted from people who took unpopular positions. -Adlai Stevenson, governor, US ambassador
I disagree completely with this take. Moon didn't get the chance he should have gotten right off the bat because he was black and there was a prevailing racist notion that blacks could not master the mental aspect of the game. Obviously that's BS and Moon showed everyone what he could do when given the chance.
Until Fields shows that he can get it done, it's perfectly fine to question his ability to do it. Unlike Moon (and others), he will get the chance to show what he has, and hopefully he knocks it out of the park.
Similarly, someone who is a respected surgeon in Ghana may or may not be sufficiently educated and / or skilled or trained to be a surgeon here. They have a vastly different setup and training requirements there. Maybe he's fantastic and very well qualified, but maybe he's not. I would very much be opposed to the AMA accepting someone's credentials from third world countries at face value.
I think that's what BW may have been hinting at wrt Warren Moon. My bigger question to the broader group is why fans seem to be in such an almost doubting mode with Fields, especially his game from the neck up? What has he done to demonstrate that he CAN'T read defenses or manage a game? His opportunities at Georgia were hardly meaningful and he wasn't in a position to have to win games or anything, and he did just fine. A lot of fans point to the spring game performance, of all things, when he'd barely acclimated to OSU. I give that game a big, "so what?!?" If his obvious athleticism and potential don't excite fans, then we've got bigger problems. For crying out loud, Jahsen Wint was dominant in that game (good for him, BTW; better coaching, perhaps?). To me, if a proven QB guy like Day sees "it" in the young man, then I will trust him and Yurcich to develop Fields at the right pace and believe the results will be there when they're needed most.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
So, there WAS a prevailing racist notion . . . did you bother to actually read what you wrote after this benevolent admission of unpopular truth? The 2019 prevailing notion for many seems to be that Haskins had a season-long streak of good luck that resulted in the most prolific aerial attack in school history. But I hope you can forgive me but my family lived around the corner from Jesse Owens when he lived on Oak St. on Columbus's East Side, because he wasn't allowed to stay on campus, like his less melanin challenged team mates. As for my friend the surgeon / burger boss, why should you risk your health on a Dr. from Ghana with double-figure years of successful practice, when you can safely go to Mt Carmel West where Dr Husel heads up the euthanasia department? The presumption of inherent superiority is not only quite goofy--left unchecked, it can also be pretty dangerous!
I've lived in a 3rd world country and believe me their education is not the same. That doesn't mean they don't have well educated people but their education system isn't the same. There's a reason people from all over world don't go to Ghana for an education
The question you have to ask is, would you or anyone else with this take have the same reservations about Trevor Lawrence's ability to "retain the playbook" and make good decisions on-field? Just playing devil's advocate
I agree with your take 100%. It was plain and simple racism.
Head north till you smell it, west until you step in it
Moon was brilliant!
LOL. OK. Really?
Justin Fields .9998 rating out of HS. All-time 8th highest rating ever given of all players.
Btw: Terrell Pryor is 12th on that list. Turned out ok for him on the field at tOSU right?
Actually makes me apprehensive. Some guys are workout warriors and then some are just straight Gamers. Let's hope he's more the latter than the former or we're in trouble.
Right, i'm not saying Fields isn't a gamer, just that Lawrence clearly IS. Hard to read into 7v7 competitions like this, although it's a good sign
Question: Will the NCAA take away the steroids that made the Clemson program rise to elite status? I can't give Clemson any due credit knowing that the staff is giving players steroids to increase performance.
Good recruiting and great development from the coaches made Clemson an elite program.
There isn't a program out there that doesn't have kids taking extra stuff to help them get better or gain an advantage. It's always been that way no team is clean of it.
Lastly Clemson players weren't busted for steroids they were busted for a trace amount of Ostarine which is a SARM. They're both PED's but SARMS have no where near the potency and potential of actual steroids.
So Clemson is giving its players "steroids light". I read up on SARM and it still has side effects...just not as major as other steroids. Explains how Clemson players thought that grabbing the crotches of players in 2017 was okay. I agree that all programs have that player who will try to gain an edge by taking a banned substance but Clemson had 18% of its tested players fail the drug test for Ostarine. The nail in the coffin for me was when Dabo started stumbling over his tongue trying to explain away the failed drug tests (it must have been the hair gel that they were using). Too many coincidences there to give Dabo a pass. He is as phony as a $3 bill and I wouldn't put anything past him. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA will find anything in its investigation of Clemson for the SARM use.
Video not working, have to go to youtube. :( Seriously can't wait for the season to get here!
If the pieces around Fields are ready to go I think he'll be just fine.
It's going to take him some time to get up to speed, but if the OL keeps him clean and he can count on the running game, this offense should be something to see.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
^^^^This. He's young, beyond talented, and has two proven QB coaches leading him, a great RB and explosive receivers. The O-line will determine his success, just like Clemson's did for Lawrence while he was learning their system the first few games he played. Sure he's going to make mistakes. Dwayne, JT, Craig, Terrell, Braxton, and Cardale did too, and we know how they turned out.
Two proven QB coaches and strong input from coach Wilson and coach Hartline.
Fields has all of the tools and ability. How well he can be improved between now and late August is essential.
He has yet to accomplish it all at full speed with tackling. I hope the throwing accuracy is continually improved and the runs are limited with slides. The drop off to second string could be huge.
That is my concern, getting up to speed with new teammates , new playbook, new coaches, new setting and it I doubt will happen right away and you have to be honest about that with yourself. D Train said it himself that he was not ready and that was even after two years in the program. To expect Fields to be ready to just walk in and light things up the first game with decent opposition will be tough to do.
Thankfully he has wheels that can help him out where D Train didn't so that should help the transition and I think that will make the difference in his and the Buckeyes success. He will have to use that running ability till he gets up to speed with the passing game and that IMO is exciting to look forward to as that will set the tone as to what the future holds for the Buckeye O and those opposing D's will have to prepare for that nightmare.
Nerves of steel. Very calm. Picks defenses apart. I'm much more pumped for this season now.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Young QBs are so much farther ahead now than they use to be. These guys play QB year round for four years going to camps getting elite level of coaching before they even hit college. The days of playing upperclassmen are gone. Or at least they should be. Dabo Saban and Fisher all rode young QB to titles. Plus you got Fromm at Georgia. I know longer but the inexperienced ain’t ready crap
So what I'm taking from this is that the best HS QB's arrive with at least one year of "college level experience"; they often Redshirt a year, then start for 2 and have "college senior level experience" and are "NFL ready". Others with the talent develop more slowly and move to NFL as Seniors or RS Seniors.
Looking forward to the re-match on January 13!!
Now that’s a post ！
I didn't watch the spring game until about 2 weeks ago. Based on the numbers and how down Buckeye nation was about his performance, I was afraid we might be in for a long year. After finally watching I felt much better about Fields and my buckeyes this year. He def didn't have his best day but it wasn't just him. But you can see the talent is there. With more time to prepare, an actual game plan, playing with all 1's and others playing better around him, we're gonna be just fine.
First anyone putting any faith into the spring game predicting Fields career is silly. For instance from https://www.dawgnation.com/football/georgia-spring-game-g-day-justin-fie...
Georgia freshman QB Justin Fields outperforms Jake Fromm at G-Day
His final line was 19-of-38 passing for 200 yards. He finally connected with Riley Ridley on a 57-yard touchdown pass with 1:42 to play in the game. But just the fact that Fromm was still in the game that late speaks to the struggles.
Secondly you can tell who watched the game and who just looked at stats. Fields took the offense down the field for TD's like 3 drives in a row. About 4-5 balls dropped or thrown away. Fields was one of the most hyped recruits ever. Many people ranked him as the number 1 recruit and best recruit in years.
Also I don't get this nonsense talk about learning the playbook stuff. Here is notes from an espn article on fields in highschool.
You'll hear from Fields' teammates about how he'd devour a playbook and be able to cull a never-before-utilized play from memory and execute it flawlessly.
Just read these articles from after last years spring game.
Last year everyone thought Fields and Lawerence where the most sure thing to come from the qb world in a long long time. If anyone has a chance to watch qb1 with Fields its a great watch and makes me even more excited because Justin Fields is going to do special things here.
You couldn't have said it any better than that. My thoughts exactly.
Very good article, IF, thank you!
Another quote from it...
"Seemed like every time we put in a new play, he'd execute it 100 percent," Dickmann said, "and we'd just go, 'Wow.'"
This news makes me feel like Fields might be good at football. Yay! That makes me very happy, since he plays for my favorite amateur team!
That was a pleasure to watch! I think he made a good choice and we made a good offer!
That his QB coach promoted Day like he did has made a HUGE difference in how Elite QB's will see our program - We are no longer a 65/35 Run/Pass team, Though I always want us to be a 60/40 Run/Pass team - I realize it might look more like 55/45!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
The while series is a good watch of The Opening as was QB1 on Netflix.
Get dumped then
I don't have any doubts about Fields athletic ability, both feet and arm. However, I think 7 on 7 is a bit different than 11 vs. 11 in front of 110,000+ I hope he has his head on straight!
Excited for the season to ramp up, August 31st can't get here fast enough!
Shit Happens Bum Juice
Early tape is ‘one and done’ on reads...but nothing Day, tape and reps won’t cure. He is going to a great one..only question is how long does it take for everything to click.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Yeah, I think most quarterbacks struggle with that, but it's a little harder to break in guys that can create with their legs as well. But I don't think it'll be an issue for long.
I've often thought that as well, that having athletic ability and wheels might actually be a liability in the development of a QB and slow the progression of QB's in their career. When you have the wheels and know in the back of your mind that your legs can get you out of trouble, you learn from an early age to do that.... but sometimes QB's need to just move around the pocket and know where to throw the ball, not run. Fields might be one of those rare guys that can do it all (Deshaun Watson comes to mind as another one like that). Its very rare to see a QB that has great speed and athleticism that doesn't run when he gets in trouble -- but when you find one, watch out, awesome weapon.
We're in good hands. We've got great talent, great coaching, the best band, and the best fans! Ohio against the world!
"I shall root for you Spaniard...and Justin Fields."
Looking forward to seeing Fields play. I think he will do extremely well this year and next.......buckle up and enjoy the ride folks.
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
If i had to guess i think we are going to see some early season struggles but as the season goes on i think he will start to find his groove and we will start seeing that potential come through
^ best post ever ^
Easy to forget how off the charts Justin Fields is rated.
Total package of strong arm, athleticism and size. Add into that mix, Ryan Day.
Its gonna be a special year, enjoy the ride!!!!
Plus he got plenty of real reps in practice at Uga and some reps in a live game. Between his talent, and coach day, I like where he’ll be after the first few games of the season.
Banks of olentangy
The quarterback whisperer ,combined with rising superstar position coach Hartline , not to mention a pass first playbook ,,, will add up to more elite qb play for 2919-20
Hell, if he only plays at 80% of Simba, that’s 3900 yards and 40 passing td’s