NCAA Investigations of Other Schools

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sharks's picture

Ohio State (and everyone else) IS doing it (probably). Football players use steroids. Boosters pay kids. Water is wet.

The moral of Tatgate is that the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

A man got to have a code...

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GunnerBuck's picture

You're confusing knowingly breaking the rules without getting caught with knowingly breaking the rules and getting caught. If you get caught, you should be punished. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Gunner, OSU got nailed because Tressel ultimately lied to the NCAA.  Does not matter if it was a small fib or a whopper, does not matter what the substance of the actual infraction the players committed was. Lie to the IRS and they find out about it, even if it was for $50 and your ass is theirs.  Tell the truth on making a $1,000 mistake and life moves on with your hand slap. Same with the NCAA.

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GunnerBuck's picture

I understand that (and said it in my OP if I remember right). In either case, equating trading players property and a coach lying about it to being worse than a team taking PED's and the coach blaming in on supplements, the spa, etc IE lying about it doesnt work. The fact of the matter is Ohio St got buttfucked for players getting tattoos and the NCAA, along with ESPN decided to dig in every corner on Columbus to get something else and when they couldnt they decided to just keep making shit up because they saw a player driving a 20,000 car. 

Fast forward a year, two years, 10 years, etc and it seems like the NCAA just doesnt care if you're below the mason dixon line. Shit, the NCAA rescinded Penn St's sanctions when it was all but common knowledge that they had a man raping kids in the football stadium/locker rooms/football facilities AND kept the same man around the program when those claims first came public.

Fast foward to now and we have the media shitting on Ohio St and Urban Meyer because a vindictive ex wife decided to claim an assistant coach hit on her  and without evidence, investigation of any kind, getting another side of the story from the accused, etc they decided he was guilty, along with Urban Meyer being an enabler of domestic abuse. 

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hthe620110's picture

Tressel lied to the NCAA because there was a Federal Investigation with an attorney and the NCAA wanted to know about it.  Tressel was told not to tell anyone about that investigation, that is why he lied to the NCAA.  I don't know, either get fired for not telling the corrupt NCAA about a Federal investigation and get fired or go against what the FBI said and go to jail.  I think I would take the firing, even though I believe Tressel was screwed in the deal.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Philly, I agree with everything you stated, except about the IRS. While true that if you don’t fess up to the IRS, your ass is theirs, it’s also true that if you do fess up, your ass is theirs. The general rule of thumb is fess up only if you think not doing so will land you in jail. Voluntary disclosure is quite the catch 22. 

And now we continue with our regularly scheduled programming. 

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tajikey's picture

Except, didn't Tressel know and decide to try and sweep it under the rug? Thought that was why he too got suspended.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

The Vest said he did not reveal to the NCAA that former OSU quarterback Terrelle Pryor and the other players involved were trading memorabilia, including Big Ten championship rings, gold pants pendants, autographed items and parts of football uniforms, for tattoos and cash because the tattoo-shop owner, Edward Rife, was under an ongoing federal investigation for drug dealing. He additionally stated that he didn't want to jeopardize the federal investigation and feared for the safety of his players. [Factual note: The investigation of the drug distribution ring which eventually secured the convictions of Rife and his supplier, Rigoberto Gomez-Gomez, was conducted by a multi-jurisdictional task force comprised of personnel from the IRS, the FBI, the Columbus Police Department and the Franklin County Sheriff's Office].

Former OSU player (walk on linebacker in 1983 when the Vest was an assistant coach under Earle Bruce at OSU) and frequently sanctioned Columbus attorney Chris Cicero had emailed the Vest about the matter, beginning with an email on April 2, 2010. Rife had previously met with Cicero to discuss his case, but never hired him to represent him in the matter (which raised the specter of Cicero having violated the Ohio's Rules of Professional Conduct by disclosing privileged information). According to his own statements during the investigation, Cicero named at least two players who had traded memorabilia for tattoos, Terelle Pryor and DeVier Posey. While the nearly one dozen emails exchanged between Tress and Cicero showed that Tressel learned about what was going on as early as April, he did not disclose it to the university until January of the following year, when university employees discovered it while searching for information and documents pertaining to an unrelated public records request. Ohio State self-reported it to the NCAA on Feb. 3.

The final report by the NCAA Committee on Infractions found Tressel's reasoning for withholding what he knew not to be credible. "The former head coach's inaction on four different occasions was in the committee's view, a deliberate effort to conceal the situation from the institution and the NCAA in order to preserve the eligibility of the aforementioned student-athletes, several of whom were key contributors to the team's highly successful 12-1 season in 2010."

To me it seems somewhat credible that Tress may have had some concerns about his obligations to the University and the NCAA given the existence of a criminal investigation. Such a fact pattern raises questions regarding the hierarchy of laws, such as whether federal and state laws relating to criminal prosecution and the administration of justice might well trump the bylaws of a private organization like the NCAA and contractual obligations incurred with the university, inasmuch as reporting what he learned to the university and the NCAA could have become public quickly enough to tip the drug ring to the investigation, thus jeopardizing it. Be that as it may, he could, and probably should have, sought legal clarification, either via the counsel for the university, or if concerned about the preservation of confidentiality pending that clarification of his obligations, via private counsel retained by him at his own expense.

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Ps it's's picture

I always wondered what Ohio State has for policies/procedures around legal and regulatory issues.  It seems a no-brainer to escalate known violations to the senior management/executive level for discussions with in-house counsel. 

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Independence Village 22's picture

Dude they just ran Urban Meyer out of town because of an assistant coaches alleged domestic abuse. They pick their targets wisely and use their trumpets when needed.

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Ps it's's picture

Interesting - I didn't realize the NCAA got involved in the Zach Smith affair nor that the NCAA ran Urban Meyer out of town.  I thought he retired from coaching and stepped into and Assistant Athletic Director job at Ohio State. 

I learn something new here every day.

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GunnerBuck's picture

So you just completely disregard the media/ESPN part? lol

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Triv's picture

Not that this post should get downvoted, but I'm shocked its so heavily upvoted...

The NCAA didn't even sniff OSUs direction for the ZS stuff. Drake/BoT/his health ran Urban out of town. The NCAA had literally no involvement in that "scandal"

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Wargor's picture

Its a broader use of the word, "they".  You've got to know about the Deep NCAA.  I'd post links, but They are on to me, so I can't risk it.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Just review Ohio States coverage and punishment of Tat Gate to the Cam Newton and Auburn incident that happened right on the heels of it. That's how it goes.
Might also compare some Jimbo Fisher, Jameis Winston stances compared to the stance on Urban Meyer.
Yeah it seems over the top slanted, but what can you do about it? I still enjoy the hell out of my Fall weekends watching college football.

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Zonabuck's picture

I think it’s been demonstrated over and over that if the school cooperates with the NCAA, you’re gonna get nailed. If you are caught red handed, but refuse to cooperate, they’re really powerless to do much of anything. And being in a conference with an ESPN owned network pretty much guarantees it’ll all be buried anyway. The entire thing is a joke. 

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blocko330's picture

Yup, was coming here to essentially say the same exact thing.

“Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle.”

- TruthTeller

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allinosu's picture

I think it's time to push for those games back.

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Cruiser72's picture

Knowing the amount of Lawyers that come out of all the schools is it any wonder their are no LAWS for the NCAA to govern itself, their is always an excuse as to why this or that, but never a reason, just as in TATGATE, and last year an avenging asshole like Man DRAKE the magician, and this year NO COACH MEYER, sorry I saw that coming when the BS was being tossed about SMITH, should not have happened but it did, many of us here at 11W saw it coming when we were sitting with our thumbs you know where waiting to see the punishment from DRAKE, whom legally HAD NO DAMNED RIGHT for his office did not bring in the dollars, and I still seek my pound of flesh from that sorry son-of-a-bitch !

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Mikeosu02's picture

Maybe take a deep breath and try to compose your thoughts before blasting them out on the internet. My brain is bleeding from trying to interpret your post.

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CALPOPPY's picture

...waiting to see the punishment from DRAKE, whom legally HAD NO DAMNED RIGHT for his office did not bring in the dollars, and I still seek my pound of flesh from that sorry son-of-a-bitch !

All reports said that the Board of Directors made the recommendation to penalize Meyer. Maybe they should be the target of your ire.

Not sure why he didn’t have the legal right, though. What money are you talking about?

Memento mori

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GunnerBuck's picture

I do not like Drake and think it was handled poorly but I do not think it was his fault, nor do I think he made that decision alone. 

I think the media, the BOT and Drake botched the whole "investigation" and suspending Urban was the wrong choice given all of the circumstances. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

No Cred At All has rightfully earned its derision from this CFB and Buckeyes fan. The SEC bias remains strong. Mark Emmert has long overstayed his welcome.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I know one thing. If OSU gets in trouble for some stupid meaningless bullshit and the SEC schools literally get away with murder I pray someone at OSU sues the fuck out of the NCAA. You cannot tell me there isn't a double standard there.

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