Ranking Ohio State's Offensive Weapons Surrounding Justin Fields

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semperfibuck's picture

Will be interesting to me to see how Coach HArtline handles guys who develop “the drops.” Wasn’t it Mack who couldn’t catch it against TCU? Given the depth tOSU had last year, and apparently has again this year, handling guys who make errors seems pretty straightforward: let them sit and think about it! But of course, there are many other factors to be considered; I’m interested to see what Hartline does when adversity strikes one of his guys.

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HowSheGoneEat's picture

Hartline actually spoke about Mack and all those drops during the TCU game, and he took the exact opposite approach. He threw Mach back out there time and time again until he shook out the slump and got back to his regular form. 

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buckeyepastor's picture

Hartline did show us how he handles it, with Mack. If he was to bench guys who drop some passes What might have become of Campbell for part of the year? 

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MercyTex's picture

The irony is that he started the game with a great catch and then had the yips. Either that or I was bad luck for him because I was fortunate enough to be there at Jerry World. 

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Dstacify's picture

Mack had the yips against TCU after he dropped that first wide open TD. He's normally one of the most sure-handed receivers on the team (well him and KJ).

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture

Some of our most sure-handed receivers didn't start out that way.  Smith, Campbell, Thomas all had their encounters with the drop monster and pushed through it via perseverance, coaching, and repetition. By the time the season starts, Mack will have had 10 months to hone his technique under Hartline's tutelage. He is a man on a mission this year after losing most of last year to injury, so there's little doubt he's taking full advantage of that training time. Hope to see him have one helluva year--including another circus catch to drive a dagger through the weasels' hearts--and position himself nicely for the 2020 draft.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

This is Mack's moment. He's never had a better chance than this to make his mark (the fact that he's a senior aside). Definitely one of the players I most want to see break out and take that leap. 

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BennyOhio's picture

You and I both brother.

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buckeyes763's picture

I can’t believe Mack is a senior already, seems like yesterday he was getting his black stripe removed. Always rooted for the guy to have a big year since

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Hovenaut's picture

Dobbins and K.J. are the obvious top two choices here, so it'll be interesting to see who emerges among the rest.

Plenty of talent to go around.

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seyekcuB's picture

Wilson will be #1 by years end.

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Weave77's picture

My hope is that by the end of the year, the 3 starting WRs are Hill, Olave, and Wilson.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Plenty of weapons!  I'm really excited to see what Gill can do this season.  We should see him lining up all over the place, creating mismatches just like we saw with Parris Campbell.  

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stuckupnorth's picture

Dobbins will be a monster now that he doesn’t have to split carries with Weber.Dobbins is superior in every aspect(cue the pass blocking leadership). Dobbins is gonna get 1700 total yards this year. He has phenomenal hands for a back(can’t wait to draft him in my dynasty league).Ahh yes the ol tight end.

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Weave77's picture

Dobbins is superior in every aspect(cue the pass blocking leadership).

I disagree... when they were both fully healthy, I think that Weber was the better RB. Don't get me wrong, Dobbins is fantastic, and he is shiftier and better at making people miss, but Weber had more power and top end speed. Both were great pass blockers.

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cmented36's picture

I fully agree, Weber ran hard and with great vision last year. While Dobbins is shiftier, Weber was still more than capable of making a quick jump cut or planting a foot and going. I think Weber got better, and faster each year as his bf% decreased and leg strength increased in the Dojo. His (rs)freshman year the only thing he was really missing was the 5th gear and he found it before he left. It's really too bad he battled injuries the last 2 seasons or he could be right with Dobbins having 3 x 1000 yrds seasons. 

I like Dobbins and think he's a really solid back, and he may get to 4th gear faster but I don't think he has a 5th to find unless he was more focused on bulking and less on speed. I thought he looked slower full speed last season than his freshman year.

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stuckupnorth's picture

That’s cool. I don’t think Weber had much power. I do think he was either too end faster or had more stamina than Dobbins. Either way Weber has the top end.I think when it’s all said and done Dobbins goes way higher in draft based on everything.

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cmented36's picture

lol way higher than 218th overall 7th round pick, you must be psychic... also NFL draft position is basically worthless, they're paying either hundreds of thousands-millions to evaluate players and they still fuck it up every single year.  BTW as the stats show, Weber did more per touch last year... Dobbins had 58 more rushes and only 99 more yards. Not meant to bash on Dobbins just defending Weber as he's underappreciated by a lot of fans.

Player                 Att   Yds     Avg     TD
J.K. Dobbins    230   1053   4.6      10
Mike Weber     172    954     5.5      5

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stuckupnorth's picture

Whoa man calm down. In my opinion and others including NFL Dobbins is the better running back. It’s ok that someone else thinks that Weber is better. It’s ok. They are allowed to have opinion. The stats don’t tell the whole story. You gotta look at every carry. Was there a gap? Was it garbage time, weather, play call, defensive alignment, penetration by defense, busted plays, missed tackles, blown assignments. I look at that stuff I’m sure the nfl scouts do the same.So I do not put a whole lot into stats.Did Weber make a four yard run when on tape he should have lost 3 yards? A lot goes into evaluating a player. The stats are don’t tell the whole story. To me Weber did not have anything that wowed. I believe he was an average back, that played on a superior talented team. I don’t think what he has done could not be done by most D1 runningbacks. That is just my opinion. I do rewatch most games numerous times. Looking at these things.Again it’s my opinion 

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cmented36's picture

I'm super calm actually, just don't think it takes a rocket scientist/football guru to come up with the captain obvious statement of Dobbins will be drafted higher... It's almost guaranteed Dobbins is drafted ...Weber was drafted in the 7th round, percentages are on your side, not exactly going out on a limb. I've never said Weber was the better running back, in my opinion he did play better last year on fewer opportunities though. 

Stats don't tell the whole story no, but when it comes to RB with that big of disparity in carries (+3 games likely - 58 carries / 20 a game) to Dobbins and little production difference behind the same exact O-Line and in the same exact offensive scheme you can't tell me that doesn't tell quite a bit of story. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

As I stated it’s not the carries. You gotta look at the individual carries. Each one of them. Was there a hole there. Was the intent to pick up a third and one. Every carry is different. Was it against first team players or second team. Was it against Wisconsin or UNLV

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cmented36's picture

haha dude that's such a bullshit response when it's the equivalent of 3 games worth of carries difference. If you really don't think you can compare their season stats as RBs last year and logically go "eh not much of a difference/ Weber may have played better" I can't help you that's about as apples to apples comparison as you're going to get in sports. Not like Weber was coming in late in the 4th during blowouts they were splitting series when healthy. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

Man call it what you want. Dobbins is the more talented back. If you don’t want to use logic then that’s on you. It’s the same reasoning scouts and gm use. It’s the same thing college coaches use when evaluating players. Do they get it wrong yes but they get it right a lot as well. You like Weber I get it. Dobbins will be drafted way higher. That’s what being a better player does for you. He will also have more “stats” than Weber. It’s not apples to apples. Every carry is different. That’s what people who evaluate do for a living evaluate every single throw run catch. Good luck 

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BbBnD's picture

Weber hit holes better last year and had much better top end speed. Dobbins danced too much and didn’t have the top end speed allowing him to get caught from behind a lot. Both good backs, but Weber played better last year. If anything Dobbins had the benefit of circumstance because he wasn’t battling injuries all year. That also allowed him to have a full game to himself where he could get in the groove. 

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture

This is awesome. Two fans arguing about which 1,000-yard tOSU RB is better. A sure sign life is good in Buckeye-land. Meanwhile in weasel territory, they're trying to figure out if a walk-on or converted tight end is going to be their feature back. All is as it should be and may it never change.

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43201Indianola's picture

Weave77

I absolutely agree with you except for Dobbins being fantastic.  He is very shifty and elusive in the open field and is very quick,  but lacks true top end speed and power.  I was one of Dobbins biggest fans watching his performance at The Opening and his true freshman year.  Since then he has tried to bulk up and has gained mass which slowed him down from his true frosh season performances.  I think he's a solid #2 option.  Personally I'd prefer to see Demario McCall over Dobbins as I think McCall is criminally under rated,  McCall reminds me LaDainian Tomlinson.

When this season is in the books I think either Master Teague or Mr. Crowley will be RB #1.

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BuckIhateTTUN's picture

43201, what would be your opinion of Dobbins if he regained his top-end speed and endurance during this offseason? Weber's speed clearly jumped between his sophomore and junior years because he worked on speed during the offseason. Last year, Alford mentioned Dobbins needed to work on his endurance and it's not a stretch to believe that won't include speed work, too. In 2019, I think we're going to see a noticeably faster Dobbins who doesn't lose gas after 30 yards.  

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milhouse4588's picture

He should have a great year. Hopefully he's learned patience and not having a second RB to compete with like he did last year should help with some of his unnecessary moves trying to break the long run every play.

Last year Weber was the better back. He had more power and has more speed on longer runs. Dobbins seemed to want to prove to everyone that he was better and tried to break a big play every down which cost him some yards.

If he's more patient and willing to take the 4-5 yard grinds along with the occasionally big play he will be awesome.

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Bukirob's picture

It seems likely that the offense should look a bit more like it did with JT at QB.  Fields has better top end speed than JT and a much better arm.  The ZR running game will open lanes for Dobbins rushing.  I think good chance the offense is absolutely explosive.  Won't be quite as good as last seasons but it won't need to be because the defense will see the most dramatic improvement on the team

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PRO8's picture

I think Teauge will get a lot more reps than what people are guessing. He is the only true pwr back of the three for one reason. I also think he will get more reps unless you want to see Fields run a lot  . I also expect the running game to be much more of a focus until Fields  and the coaching staff feel confident with throwing the ball all over the place. I also expect the read option to be a big part of the playbook during that time  and Fields is a lot better option at running it well than Haskins was so it will be used.

I really don't see a Pro style O formation in use that much with the QB under center . I think we will see a lot of two TE's formations with the emphasis on running out of it and using the read option in  play action passing and the read option will be used in most line formations with Fields running just enough to keep the D off balance. and MT will be a part of that maybe even more so than McCall.

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Tedbomb's picture

Everyone calls Teague a power back.  I thought I remember him running in the 4.3s at both Ala and OSU camps when he was being recruited.  Zek is the only other running back in recent memory that ran like that is HS.  Is this correct?

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stpetebuck's picture

With you on Teague. He will be better than both predecessors imho 

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buckslan's picture

In no way was Dobbins a better back than Weber when he was fully healthy. I think Dobbins has good acceleration and vision, and is pretty agile but Weber was faster and more powerful. Superior in every aspect is just not correct and I think that's why so many people have replied.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I love this list.

I think Garrett Wilson is going to play a style very similar to Michael Thomas. He's not 6'6, he's not a burner, but he's got it between the ears and is as close to a finished product as you can be as a freshman.

Very excited to see what he brings to the table. If we see him as a featured part of the rotation from week 1 then I think we know we've got something incredibly special on our hands given the depth at WR right now. 

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Cooper's picture

I’m glad Ohio State has a relatively easy schedule in the first few games because it’ll give some time for unproven playmakers to make their mark. It could be the Fields and Dobbins show early on, but I have high hopes for Gill, Ruckert, and Wilson.

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cmented36's picture

Seems like since he committed I've been hoping Rashod Berry gets a chance (or any TE really), much like Malik Harrison, I think he's an underrated player with absolute stud athleticism... Seriously, guys his size should not run as fast nor jump as high as he does. Also, if they're looking for somebody to lead block Berry better be in the game because he's a monster and always blasts somebody. I still think OSU should start utilizing a "Jumbo" package of all the skill players 6'4"+ in the redzone. I think to me it'd look something like, Ruckert wide Right, Berry slot Right, Farrell slot Left, Victor/Harris Wide Left (I'm not a fan of Victor as he plays with effort when he feels like it so I'd have Harris personally), with Dobbins and Fields in the backfield. Redzone speed isn't as much of a factor but size still creates mismatches. 

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stpetebuck's picture

True, coaches need to find some way to harness Berry’s freaky athleticism. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Agree with Dobbins at #1.  He has to have a freshman-esque season this year to keep the offense moving if there are hiccups, especially early.  I expect Mack to be in line for KJ Hill numbers from last year.  He is consistent, people only remember the TCU game where he had the yips, but outside of that he has been reliable every time the ball came his way.  One game doesn't define a player.  

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buckeyepastor's picture

DMC! DMC! 

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MOBUCKK91's picture

I still want to see a 3 TE set ... maybe all 3 in the backfield.  Pitch it to Rucker and let Farrell and Berry run block for him.  Call the play the Warthog (after the A-10 that may be slower than other jets, but is a tank killer!!).

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buckguyfan1's picture

Hope Fields has a bit of "The Distributor" in him.  Lots of weapons at his disposal...

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

If the “older” WRs aren’t meeting expectations, should they should they sit and make way for the young pups?

If the younger “studs” aren’t playing as much as expected, will it be because there’s favoritism towards the “older” WRs?

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Buckeye4Life334's picture

Hopefully they don’t hold Olave back. That game wasn’t a coincidence look at his senior year stats and consider his injury. Now I’m not sure he shares the same position as Mack. But if Mack shows those same catching struggles like he did last year they need to give the younger guys a chance. The NFL consistently turns to the unproven young guy over the veteran. I think that mindset could’ve helped us not only win games more convincingly but also maybe have served  to prevent unnecessary losses. Let’s hope we’ve learned.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

I'm in the camp that thinks Chris will have an outstanding year given the fact that he will see much more playing time this season.  I think he has the potential to be very special.

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stpetebuck's picture

This^^^^^

Olave didn’t get lucky his last three games. He’s a special player. He can be invisible and suddenly kill you. I expect great things from him. 

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chibucks's picture

i feel like binjamin victor isn't getting the recognition he deserves.  hopefully he'll have a breakout AND CONSISTENT season.

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Dirty419Boy's picture

Where do his legs rank? I didn't see them on the list.

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kmp10's picture

I'm all for true freshmen contributing as much as possible... but rating Wilson above Mack, or even Ruckert, might be a stretch at this point. Every single year, the media goes all in on some 18-year-old, and almost every single year that kid is a non-factor. Once in a great while a frosh will ball out... Spielman, Archie, Clarett, and Schlichter are four examples... but the vast majority the time a true freshman is not physically ready to contribute as a positional player. Might Wilson's name be added to the list of aforementioned players? Sure... but I'm not counting on it just yet. Let's see what happens in September and go from there. 

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Dstacify's picture

I know a lot of OSU fans dislike Victor but I really hope he finally lives up to the hype this coming season.

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cmented36's picture

He'll have a few plays where he lives up to the hype, but his problem is Maximum Effort on every single play. Going into his senior year I highly doubt he just finds the willingness to go hard every single time he's on the field, but hopefully I'm pleasantly surprised he is long and fast. 

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Trebor40's picture

That is quite a list and challenging for any defense when you think of the the men creating the offense and calling the plays! 

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Trebor40's picture

As far as the list goes and the obligatory no you didn't - Teague honorable mention!? I just do not see them allowing Fields to carry the ball enough times to make up for Weber rushing! I think M. Teague has at LEAST 100 carries this year! and that would still give Fields between 80-100 carries - If they run him any more than that then Gunner is the REAL DEAL! I firmly believe they are counting on Master Teague III to take the pressure OFF Fields with a series or even two of power football! 

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aerobuck's picture

no Campbell/McLaurin speed out there.  Three possession receivers aint gonna cut it.

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43201Indianola's picture

Jameson Williams has that level of speed !!

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Can Fields get the ball to what weapons that he has?  I know the new Offense but 4-13 is still a concern.

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BucksHave7's picture

And what did you think of Fields's HS and UGA footage where his skillset is off the charts and his new coach took DHIII from a first year starter to a first round NFL pick?

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Buckeye_bob's picture

What does High School Hilights and Ga spring game footage have to do with being a starter in college? Let's hope he can do the same with Fields, but 3 for 13 is alarming.

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BucksHave7's picture

Not alarming at all.  Justin Fields release is quick with a very strong arm. 

Justin Fields is a top 5 Heisman odds contender in Vegas right now on a team that is also top 5 odds in Vegas right now to win the playoff. 

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Buckeye_bob's picture

Pretty much the same as the past 4 years in preseason?

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BucksHave7's picture

And look at the results.  B2B B10 champs and finished #3 in final poll.   A wetdream for all other schools except 3 other programs!!!

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43201Indianola's picture

 Jameson Williams is Ted Ginn Jr. 2.0   Book it !!!

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