It Can't Happen Here

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The Rill Dill's picture

Michigan school colors: Blue and yellow papered past. Go Bucks!!

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jbuckeye007's picture

TTUN colors are very appropriate:  Yellow on Saturday, Blue on Sunday!

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

The collapse of Michigan football has been a pleasure to watch. There are those Ohio State fans which claim a good Michigan team creates a better rivalry. Don't count me in that fold. I won't be satisfied until Michigan goes 0-12 each year until they suspend the football program.

Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.

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adrianbuck's picture

could not agree more.deal with there fan base daily.the more they lose,the merrier.GO BUCKS  

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MichiBuck12's picture

See its a catch 22 for me. I want to see them lose every single game they play. But I also want the Buckeyes to inflict maximum pain. And maximum pain is when they're convinced they are going to win and then get destroyed like they did last year. I'm fully on board with your opinion that we don't need them to be good. But I kinda like it sometimes so that they can hurt more. It is not enough to simply beat them. I want to cause them pain in the process.

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Extramedium's picture

Yes there was something extra sweet about ruining there little "revenge tour" last year.  While I can't bring myself to root for them in any game, it is something special to destroy their otherwise good season.

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ronaprhys's picture

As one living up here in Mordor, I'm not sure if season-long pain or one particular game pain is better.  While it's a given that we must beat them, whether or not they're 0-11 when they meet us or 11-0 both have their bonuses for us.  If they've not won a game the entire year, I get to be extra happy every week (because of course we've won those weeks, too - unless it's a mid-tier team from the West).  

Plus, from what I see from most of the fans here, they've grown accepting of themselves being a mediocre football team and not beating us.  They used to the pain.  They've been beaten down so many times they don't have hope anymore.  Sure - coaching staff has changed, but the typical fan up here doesn't seem to be talking smack.  They just assume they'll figure out a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

'97 - Molecular Genetics

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painterlad's picture

What was more enjoyable? The '06 win over an undefeated and #2 ranked Michigan, or the beatdown of the '08 Wolverines? Eventually beating up on lousy teams becomes boring. I want to be the only team to beat them every single year. I want them to have national title hopes going into The Game, only to see them splattered by the Bucks. We already have enough Rutgers and Illinois to whoop on; I'd prefer some red meat on the table every now and then.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

I was at The Game and I'll grant you that the moment's euphoria was superior. However, taken on the whole, I get an entire year's worth of enjoyment when Michigan is inept the entire season. So, to answer your question, I'll take the '08 Michigan team.

Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Count me in as well.  

And a word of warning to the OSU administration:  "Pride Goeth Before A Fall". 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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73buckeye's picture

Give em hell, Tater. Couldn't agree more. The only good wolverine is a beaten wolverine. 

ernie

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

As the century's second decade closes, Michigan's current highlights are stuck in the 1990s

Well, only if you just IGNORE a record of winning September Heismans that is second to none.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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shiloh's picture

3 Heisman winners ~ 2 from Ohio ~ you're welcome ttun ...

btw, Tommy James from Dayton ~ who moved to MI ...

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

I love our success over TTUN. I just hope it continues. Still hoping the addition of 2 of their guys make a difference. I hope it makes our Defense better. 

Here’s to much success in 2019 and beyond. Go Bucks!

( still not sure why we hired the old guy though)

Nikki emmerson

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ToTheHouse's picture

Kinda worked with that l.johnson guy...

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stpetebuck's picture

  2 of their guys make a difference. I hope it makes our Defense better

it will. Bank that. 

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Extramedium's picture

The “old guy” is a really good coach and recruiter according to all reports

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Maybe because the "old guy" has coached against the rest of the B1G teams for a decade now and can help the new D guys who haven't? He won a National Championship with Urban as his D coordinator, is a great recruiter, and is not only respected but loved by his former Michigan players who did not want to see him go. Ageist much? 

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TNT's picture

There but for the arrogance of "M!ch!g@n men" go we.

The day we think it couldn't possibly happen to us is the day this Bugatti careens off a cliff.

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Earle's picture

As jarring as that opening gif may be, I think Ryan Day to Brady Hoke is a false equivalence.  Michigan's decline took years to accomplish, and needed the rise of Tressel to wholly decimate its blue blood status (if not its arrogance).

Even during the Cooper years, Ohio State flirted with greatness.  Michigan's aspirations of restoring its honor this century have been, well, mirages.

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MN Buckeye's picture

Ryan Day is no Brady Hoke. In fact, no one is quite the philosopher as Brady.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY

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buckeyedude's picture

LMAO! Forgot about that video. Good times. I heard the Chinese buffet across the road from Xichigan Stadium went out of business shortly after Brady got canned.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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dschuetz11's picture

“ESPN began serving up games that used to be watched exclusively on the radio or in newspapers!”

What?

Don’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining!

~Judge Judy~

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Extramedium's picture

Indeed, UM's biggest issue is their insistence on hiring a "Michigan man" whether or not he's the best for the job.  They'd have been better off keeping RichRod and giving him time to hire a new defensive staff

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Earle's picture

Yeah, Day to RichRod is a better analogy, but even that breaks down because Day's not coming in cold with a completely new system, and without the players to implement it.

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cledaybuck's picture

What are you trying to do to us?  Is this a reverse jinx attempt?  Is anyone else freaked out by the top gif/picture?

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Mostly Gray's picture

Oh I don't know, made me think of donuts and UM's concussion protocols!

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cledaybuck's picture

Yeah, I just scrolled past it at first.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

But the conclusion of 2004 was a clear break separating the Michigan football team I still fear - childhood scars are permanent - and the one today's recruits only learn about

Although this was a definite break from michigan past (I too am still haunted by 1990's michigan by the way), I still think the 2005 game was the real about face in the rivalry. #9 Ohio State on the road at #17 michigan with much to gain (a share of a B1G championship, a BCS bowl bid and a pair of gold pants) and even more to lose (newly found momentum in the series). That game could have ended like many we witnessed in the 90's with a better Buckeye team losing to an inferior michigan.......yet again. I think the rivalry changed after trailing by two scores late in the fourth quarter Santonio Holmes dove across the goal line and moments later  Troy Smith magically avoided a pass rush and found Anthony Gonzalez who made an acrobatic grab near the goal line. Pittman running over Shawn Crable for the winning score was the exact moment this rivalry changed.

I hate michigan. Go BUCKEYES!

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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MaxPowerBucknut's picture

I agree wholeheartedly with this. That Buckeye team in that game didn’t back down when it would have been easy to do so. And that punch in the mouth (Crable getting run over at the goal line) set the tone for years to come, where the Buckeyes out-toughed the maize and blue on both sides of the ball.

May it continue forever. 

OSUCOM 2008 Graduate. Go Bucks!

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Still to this day am irate they flagged Holmes for diving into the end zone.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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mockjocks's picture

Perfect summary. I was at the 01, 02, 05, and 06 wins against Michigan, and I tell people to this day that the most fun I ever had at those games was in 05. There were tens of thousands of people who came to the realization that Ohio State was about to pass them by. I remember their faces like it was yesterday. 

Blowing a 2 score lead in the 4th quarter at home, was enough (for the smart fans), to make them realize they were in deep shit.

<HOT TAKE> The 06 game drove me nuts, and I barely enjoyed it at all. Several times we had a 2 score lead, and just could not put the game away. I was more relieved than exhilarated at the end. <END HOT TAKE>...That all changed, once I got on the field and dug up a sombrero-sized chunk of the turf - and wore it on my head out of the stadium. Turned into the best weekend ever, but those 3.5hrs were nerve racking.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

That game will always be near the top of my list of favorite scUM wins. We were still recovering from Traumatic Cooper Syndrome, so coming back the way we did was cathartic. I will always remember that game watch here in Seattle, with hundreds of euphoric Buckeyes celebrating at those last two drives.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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GoBucks1014's picture

Thankfully, I was born at the end of the 90s, 3 years before the hiring of Jim Tressel, so I never really had to experience the horrors of that time. But I'm not stupid. I see the dark shadow that passes over my dad's face when he hears "John Cooper" or "90s" and "Ohio State football" in the same sentence. I may not have experienced it, but I know enough about it that I sure as hell don't want to go through something like that.

That being said, here's to the continued dominance of TTUN!!

"Because I couldn't go for 3."

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PhillyNut's picture

As hard as it was to endure the losses to ttun during Cooper's years overall he ran a good program.  He had one losing season and that was his first taking over a bit of a mess left by Earle Bruce. Since 1925 Ohio State has had a total of seven losing seasons.  7 out of 95!  And 4 of them belong to Woody with one each to Paul Brown, John Cooper, and Luke Fickell. Alabama has had 9 during that same period including 3 consecutive years where one year they went 0-10. ttun has had 13 in the same time frame.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dillon G's picture

What adds to the hurt is how stacked those teams were. Some of the best players to ever play for Ohio State. Can you really argue that Zeke or Archie was better than Eddie George? Nobody is better than Orlando Pace. The Big Kat was as good at Ohio State, save for one whif, than Cousineau, Spielman, or Johnson (heroes from my youth). Korey Stringer...could bench press 400 lbs as a freshmen. And he had skills.

#walkaway

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I agree OSU had some great players/teams in the 90s, but so did Michigan. Their record often didn't show it. Carr was notorious for losing games they had no business losing, but they had NFL talent on both sides of the ball, especially the OL.

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BbBnD's picture

I agree with everything except Zeke and Eddie. 27 is one of my favorite Buckeyes, but Zeke was a better RB in college and so far he’s a better pro.  Zeke didn’t win a heisman, but when comparing Zeke’s last year to Eddie’s heisman year, Eddie only had 100 more yards and one more touchdown on 40 more carries. Zeke’s career college stats are also  better than Eddie’s too. Lastly, Eddie averaged below 4 yards a carry most of his pro career. Zeke is well above that so far. 

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Extramedium's picture

Comparing their careers isn't completely fair due to the differences in how the game is played these days but I get your point.  People seem to forget that hardly anyone talked about Zeke as an elite back until the magical three game stretch at the end of the 2014 season that lead to our title.  I remember seeing  multiple top ten RB lists that season that didn't even mention Zeke in passing.   

George was pretty much the backbone of the team and it wore him out by the time he got to the NFL

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BbBnD's picture

Agreed, the game is more spread out these days making rushing yards easier, but I don’t think that accounts for all of the difference in their YPCs, it’s a pretty big gap. Also, Zeke was a true sophomore in 2014. Eddie didn’t start until his junior year. 

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osu78's picture

Having been introduced to Buckeye football in the Hayes era I found the Cooper era very frustrating. It seemed we were always a play or two from breaking out and just fell short. 

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Michigan's color television present neatly overlapped with its yellowed newspaper past.

What a tight and pithy metaphor. This is but one of many reasons that Ramzy is must-read internet. I can chew on that sentence for the rest of the week, savoring its succulence, marveling at its perfection.

Bobbing for french fries.

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stpetebuck's picture

Indeed. One day we’ll all say ‘i remember when..,”

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OHinKS's picture

The most important hire will be Gene Smith’s successor. Andy Geiger was a good AD, but Gene has taken OSU to new heights. 

Day’s success or failure will be survivable, as long as the right person is in the AD chair. 

You either are, or you're not. 

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Dino3317osu's picture

This article should be required reading for all current and future students.

And the actual date of the change was 1/18/01 when The Senator announced that we'd "be proud of our young people... most especially in 310 days in Ann Arbor, Michigan on the football field" (mic drop)

https://www.facebook.com/elevenwarriors/videos/337871553724562/

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stxbuck's picture

I won tix to the 2004 Game from my local radio station. Smith to Gonzo live was a thing of beauty.

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AltaBuck's picture

My first son was born the night before that game.  I was in the hospital room with my wife watching it with her.  When Gonzo made that catch, I was changing my son's diaper and nearly threw it across the room. Nurse thought i was bat shit crazy.

“A mind needs books like a sword needs a whetstone.” - Tyrion Lannister

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outdoorbuckeye's picture

You should have spiked it and then done the Icky shuffle.

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Extramedium's picture

What was wrong with that nurse??

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Steelydan54's picture

Great reminder that we also can and someday will slide back down the hill. College football dominance is never forever... including Alabama. We are one small step from the top of the CFP world, and one small step from  sliding back into the second tier pack of college football. Let's keep going up!! 

Steelybuck54

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Extramedium's picture

When fans like ours consider a 2 loss season a complete disaster, we've been one or two bad bounces away from that on many occasions.

I kind of doubt we will be on any "second tier" of college football anytime soon, as it would take a long series of bad decisions on multiple levels of the program to allow that to happen.

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PhillyNut's picture

They won a "shared" title.  They have not one outright since 1950.  Do not give them any more credit than they deserve - which is none.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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buckeyedude's picture

Yep. They had to leave the "undisputed" off that title.

"If you're not changing, you're falling behind."

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You can&#039;t spell chump without UM's picture

That '97 Nebraska team would've beaten the shit out of Michigan.

Tom Brady lost to John Cooper. Never forget.

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Buck95's picture

I think, over the years, Ohio State has been more consistent, and consistently better than Michigan.  I only went back to 1918, when both teams played each other for the first time in the B1G. 

Over that span, OSU holds a 50-46-4 record over them.  The Bucks have had 9 losing seasons in that span; Michigan has had 14.

OSU has more "claimed" national titles - 8 to 7 - than Michigan since 1918.  All but one of Michigan's came before 1950, while the exact opposite is true for OSU.

The Bucks have had consecutive losing seasons only once - in 1922-24.  Michigan did in 1958-59, 1962-63 and 2008-09.  OSU has never lost more than 7 games in a season, and only did that once, when they went to a bowl game they never should have gone to with an interm coach (they also lost 7 games in 1897, but that's before my 1918 cutoff).  Michigan has lost at least 7 games (9 once) three times since 2008, and six times overall (none before 1918).

Since 1918, both teams have 36 B1G titles (I'm counting 2010 for OSU because I saw it happen), but OSU has more outright titles, 20-14.

Michigan has had as many losing seasons since 2008 as OSU has had in my lifetime (I was born before the 1960 season).  They have more than twice as many losing seasons (7) in that time frame as well.

Since both teams have been in the B1G, OSU has more national titles, as many conference titles, more outright conference titles, a winning head to head, fewer losing seasons and fewer times with consecutive losing seasons. It seems to me that OSU has almost always weathered the storm.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I’m going to print this and keep it handy for when their fans start talking.  

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Do that. But they will still go on and on about Michigan football back around the time the cotton gin was invented.

Bobbing for french fries.

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Sonof&#039;47alum's picture

Buck95: first-rate analysis and presentation.  I have a feeling you were a star on the Debate team in high school and college.  If not, you could have been.

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Buck95's picture

Nope, no debate team for me.  I'm in IT though, and have always been an analytical type, so there's that.  I have dreams of being a data scientist when I grow up (which unfortunately might mean never).

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Pure awesomeness. I plan to print this on laminated cards and send to all my friends to use as a handy reference guide for when they encounter imbecile TTUN fans (I know, that was redundant). 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

TTUN's divergence from its apex in the 1990s was long before Brady Flintstone. It happened on November 18, 2006 when Jim Tressel, Troy Smith, Tedd Ginn, Antonio Pittman, Anthony Gonzalez, Brian Robiskie, Brian Hartline, Roy Hall, and Beanie Wells tore a hole in their souls. 

And it has definitely entered my mind that the OSU football program may very well be at a crossroads entering 2019. Do we continue our upward path like in the Great Gatsby? Or does Ryan Day steer us into Yabba Dabba Doo land? My Scarlet and Gray-colored glasses want to say yes. My logical side isnt sure what to really think right now. Ask me again around 4pm on November 30th and I'll have an answer.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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stxbuck's picture

This is true. The 2006 Game was the real turning point in the rivalry. The thing about Day is that he isn't walking into the rivalry unfamiliar like Coop, or with a mandate to restore order, like Tressel. As OC he has engineered a beatdown of scUM that a lot of Buckeye fans (not me, yeah, I'll brag on that) didn't see coming and were whining about like scared babies.

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OSU56's picture

I have enjoyed the domination of ttun for a long time, and I'm not young. Looking forward to more of it as well.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Hovenaut's picture

I remember when Bear Bryant passed, with the thought by older family members that the power in college football would stay predominantly in the north.

Then Howard Schnellenberger introduced The U, aided/reinforced by Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson, with some Tallahassee push via Bobby Bowden. Add in Gene Stallings and a helluva 1992 Alabama squad, Steve Spurrier and the fun and gun Gators, and yes even a post-Peyton Manning Tennessee team and things were tough for TTUN to find footing...even the frustration of having a shared '97 title with Nebraska (who was also pretty good in the '90's as some may remember).

During the time of Coach Bryant's passing, as I grew up away from Ohio and somewhat disconnected from Ohio State football I never knew Ohio State as a serious player on the national scene...at best flirting with the Big Ten title and a potential Rose Bowl bid, at worst flirting with "Others Receiving Votes" looking outside the top 25.

So to have to wait over 30 years to get that feeling (via the 2002 squad) my relatives used to describe upon their fond recollections of the 1968 Ohio State Buckeyes, or other high moments in the tenure of Woody Hayes, has been a blessing over the past 15 odd years.

Enjoy every moment, never take this for granted.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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mockjocks's picture

'97 title with Nebraska (who was also pretty good in the '90's as some may remember).

3 titles in 4 years - I always felt they were the team of the 90s.

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Hovenaut's picture

Without question. I think Osborne's 1995 team might be the best to ever do it.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

They won the conference outright three times, were gracious enough to share the crown in three other seasons, won a national title and produced two Heisman Trophy winners at the state of Ohio’s expense. 

.5 national title

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Ps it&#039;s's picture

Be careful - that would make '42, '54, '57, and '61 as 0.5 title years for the Buckeyes and '70 probably about 1/16th of a title.

you don't got to be Stonewall Jackson to know you don't want to fight in a basement

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westcampus's picture

OSU is more immune to slides because of geography. If you read the Jared Diamond book COLLAPSE it can really explain a lot about college football. Geography and economics work against Michigan. A weak Detroit = a weak Michigan. Detroit ain't coming back any time soon. OSU has Ohio -- already a better recruiting state -- all to itself.

The slide of Nebraska, Michigan etc. can be easily explained. It's not cyclical in this case. Harbaugh at LSU would be winning 13-14 games per year. The players just aren't there.

Barring a total disaster of politics, economics and culture the Ohio well will not be drying up.

OSU could "slide" to 8-4 and 9-3 in a fluke season, but year after year?  Not a chance.

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painterlad's picture

I disagree. I don't think that Harbaugh is that good of a coach.

To err is human. Really sucking requires having yellow stripes on your helmet.

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westcampus's picture

That explains why the 49ers were the worst team in football before his arrival, made 3 straight conference titles and a Super Bowl, then sucked again after he left (and will continue to suck).
 

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Snake64's picture

There is truth in this. His resume with former programs speaks for itself. But his lack of ability to get over the OSU hump will be his LEGACY

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Extramedium's picture

He may be a good NFL coach, but that's a different beast.  And it's questionable.. the 49ers were on a definite slide when he was forced out, and a plenty of very average coaches have had a few good seasons.

Either way, he clearly doesn't connect well with college kids. Don't bring up the time he happened to be coach when a generational talent at QB was playing at Stanford.

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Kinghellvis's picture

Detroit is making a come back economically speaking. It takes time but The Rock City is on the incline. 

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Dillon G's picture

If it can happen at Oklahoma, it can happen any where. That is the standard of falling off a cliff. 48 wins in a row. Michigan can stay down, I don't give a damn.

#walkaway

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allinosu's picture

There is a much stronger HS talent in Ohio than Oklahoma. Texas is a better example but a poison fan base could bring most down. 

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Extramedium's picture

Anything can happen but it's not likely anytime soon, unless something catastrophic and probably NCAA related happens.. or the school decides that sports is no longer a concern and stops putting resources into football and related hires.

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PRO8's picture

As far as I'm concerned ttun hasn't been the Big Dog in the BIG since at least 1936. I use that as a good time marker to make my point since that is when the AP started polling college football. Sure there have been some ups and downs as witnessed the 90's but the Buckeyes have been the dominant power in the BIG since then and it is not really close.

The following is still pertinent as the article and results were compiled back in 2017

https://collegefootball.ap.org/top-100

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Dstacify's picture

The day OSU football stops being elite will be the day the school stops caring about the program enough to devote proper resources to it (in short it's not happening anytime soon). Michael Drake I believe is trying to steer the school in that direction (I think he'd have all the sports programs at OSU shut down if he could actually realistically do it without all the backlash) but he's going to face a tremendous amount of pushback there considering how much revenue the football program brings into the school. And as much as OSU fans love to complain about Gene Smith the guy knows how to hire quality coaches and allow them room to breathe in their jobs (though that can also lead to negative consequences like Meyer choosing to lie to Gene about Zach Smith's criminal history at UF). TTUN OTOH have hired professional turds like Dave Brandon over the years to drive their coaching searches and then watched said AD try to micromanage the team from afar for bizarre reasons. On top of that they've allowed partial outside factors like Lloyd Carr to influence the direction of the program (which led to prized recruits like Ryan Mallett and Justin Boren transferring and RichRod and Hoke being chosen to coach the team over more qualified candidates like Les Miles). If there's one thing OSU rarely does as a program it's allow former legendary coaches to influence the hiring process (with Ryan Day perhaps being the first deviation from that process in decades). My biggest worry for what Day does going forward will be if Meyer decides to return to coaching and whether or not Meyer decides to poach people like Marotti and perhaps even certain recruits from OSU to set himself up better at his new job. I don't think Meyer would be that cutthroat due to his love for OSU but it's always a risk.

11 Strong.

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PhillyNut's picture

Drake has a bigger problem than just alumni of Ohio State in trying to reduce the influence of athletics at OSU. He would have to convince the state legislature and a very large fan base. Not happening.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dstacify's picture

The fanbase are nothing but ants for Drake to step on in his eyes. He doesn't care about them and their protests I doubt would be enough to get him to back down. The state legislature OTOH is another story since OSU is a state-funded University.

11 Strong.

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mockjocks's picture
Michael Drake I believe is trying to steer the school in that direction (I think he'd have all the sports programs at OSU shut down if he could actually realistically do it without all the backlash)
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osu78's picture

I don’t get the Drake hates football line.  He may not be a die hard fan but he’s smart enough to know that football is one of the things that bind alumni to OSU, and that means donations. He may have issues with the way athletics and academics sometimes clash, but I doubt he would want to get rid of football. He’s to smart to do that.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Michael Drake I believe is trying to steer the school in that direction (I think he'd have all the sports programs at OSU shut down if he could actually realistically do it without all the backlash)

And what reason do you have for believing this? I legitimately would like to know.

I disagree with your opinion. But also don’t know why one would believe that Drake wants to shut down the football program much less sports in general. It seems like such a silly assumption to me. I have seen no evidence that Drake wants anything bad for the sports programs, but you’re not the first to imply that he has it out at least for the football team, and the previous coach of said team. But I saw no evidence in support of those claims. Can you help me out?

Memento mori

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Dstacify's picture

Drake came here from UC Irvine (a school that doesn't have much of an athletic department). And given some of the decisions he's made since he's been here I get the sense he doesn't fully understand how much different a school like OSU is from UC Irvine. To me that's a huge problem. And his fear of public perception and willingness to scapegoat his employees because of it (see Jon Waters) is NOT a strong character trait at all. Forgive me for expecting more out of our school president. Gordon Gee may have been a tone-deaf asshole at times who had a bad habit of shooting off at the mouth and making offensive comments but he was far more engaging with the students and the University as a whole than Drake is (Drake is fairly reclusive) and much less willing to cave to public pressure.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Drake came here from UC Irvine (a school that doesn't have much of an athletic department). And given some of the decisions he's made since he's been here I get the sense he doesn't fully understand how much different a school like OSU is from UC Irvine. To me that's a huge problem. And his fear of public perception and willingness to scapegoat his employees because of it (see Jon Waters) is NOT a strong character trait at all. Forgive me for expecting more out of our school president.

Hey, I have no problem with expectations for a school president. I disagree with your assessment of Drake though. I don’t see him scapegoating employees, especially due to fear of bad public perception. I think if he was afraid of bad public perception then he wouldn’t have had Waters fired. He took a lot of shit for that, and I think much more than he would had he kept him around. To me, that’s standing up for what you believe in. 

I do think that it’s silly to assume that he doesn’t understand sports, or wants them to go away, just because UC Irvine doesn’t have the program that OSU does. From that perspective, no other school has as big an athletic program. How do you know that he’s not thrilled to have a robust athletic program to drive alumni interest? That makes more sense to me. He got to step in and oversee a university with an athletic program that is one of the best in the country with an established leader managing said program. I would think that he likes having strong leadership there as it’s then less he has to handle. He has other big issues to address, and the athletic department can go humming along. It appears that he’s been very hands off.

Personally, I think that Drake gets even more criticism for unfair reasons: like being a pencil-necked geek; being mealy-mouthed at the presser last fall, and for being an academic. But Gee was just as much an academic and just as much a pencil-necked geek, if that’s how one will categorize Drake (personally, I think it’s a little stupid to say, but I’ve see these arguments here on 11W). Gee spoke better, and he hung out with students more, but he also is an anomaly in the world of university presidents and also had the ability to put his foot in his mouth quite often. I liked Gee a lot. I like Drake. Just think that Drake takes a lot of shit for reasons he shouldn’t.

That’s my 10¢.

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Dstacify's picture

I wouldn't call what Drake did to Jon Waters standing up for his convictions. Waters was a completely innocent employee who Drake fired because he happened to be the band director at the time when an overly sexualized culture was rampant among the marching band. What Drake did there was completely rash and ill-advised and he deserved the heat he took for that. Waters was actively working to change the band's culture at the time Drake fired him. Drake made that decision simply because Waters was the figurehead for the marching band at the time and to make it appear as if he was addressing the problem directly. There was no real justification for Waters to lose his job over that and that's why Drake was criticized for that decision (and rightfully so). It was strictly a PR move that backfired big time.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Urban is not coming back. 

FIRE DRAKE! 

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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Snake64's picture

Urbz has no true love or loyalty other than himself and his legacy. It's one of the things that makes him a great coach but a bit of an ass to everyone else outside of his program.

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Dstacify's picture

I don't 100% agree with that. I think he's very devoted and loyal to his family (I've seen no evidence to the contrary there). He pulled out of the Florida job for their sake just as much as his own and this is kind of a similar situation.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

“Used to be watched on the radio or in newspapers.”

How does one watch a game on a radio?

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I understand there are concerns when changing coaches, but Ryan Day isn't coming in and trying to do what RichRod did. He changed the entire offense and defense using pro-style type players. It was a disaster. Ryan Day is inheriting an offense he himself ran, he's recruiting very well so far, and he hired veteran defensive coaches. Sure, he's probably not Urban Meyer, but not many coaches are. I don't see OSU dropping off at all, certainly not taking the dive Michigan did.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I understand there are concerns when changing coaches, but Ryan Day isn't coming in and trying to do what RichRod did. He changed the entire offense and defense using pro-style type players. It was a disaster. Ryan Day is inheriting an offense he himself ran, he's recruiting very well so far, and he hired veteran defensive coaches. Sure, he's probably not Urban Meyer, but not many coaches are. I don't see OSU dropping off at all, certainly not taking the dive Michigan did.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Can that happen at Ohio State? No question, it can happen anywhere. 

Normally, any school with a guy like Michael Drake as President I would say there's a good chance it would happen.

But the foundation the Buckeyes have in the athletic department, Gene Smith, and the coaches Urban brought in that have lead to Ryan Day being where he is, and when he is quite frankly, have me feeling like Ohio State will avoid those pitfalls.

Ohio State is a program built for now, and for the future. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Agreed. 

FIRE DRAKE!

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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CALPOPPY's picture

Not a Michael Drake fan, are you CBE.

Memento mori

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CanadianBuckeyeEh's picture

Not. One. Bit.  
He's a PC weeny who refused to stand up for and support Urban despite the truth that Urban did not violate any school policies re: reporting or covering up DV.  Drake's smug demeanor at the press conferences said it all.  

"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland

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buckeyearchie76's picture

Let's look back just a few short yeas to the John Cooper era.  That my friends was a one-sided era as well.  But, Michigan owned that period of time.  Remember we tied Michigan at home---before the overtime change went into effect.  Our beloved school President--Dr Gee--called that one of the greatest "wins" in Ohio State football.  That was our dark period in our recent years.  With Tress and Urban, we became an elite program.  Now with Day, that will not change.  Why?  One reason is that we have become an NFL "farm club".  Our best players want to be pros.  And they are well aware that we have helped players earn that chance for a huge pay check.  That is not going to change any time soon.  So, that fact plus the fact that players absolutely get the best training here will keep us elite for a long time.  GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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westcampus's picture

Even though Michigan owned that era, OSU had better teams than the Michigan teams of recent years. 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 all superior any Harbaugh Michigan team. It was just one game each year. It happens. People read too much into one game.

I actually think Harbaugh's rebuilding job at Michigan closely resembles what Cooper had to do. Dig out from the end of the Bruce era (Rodriguez/Hoke for Michigan) and restock. Michigan is on a similar arc to Cooper in terms of finding an "elite" team. I'd compare the 2016 Michigan team to 1993 OSU. They have yet to match 1995-1997 OSU. Maybe that's coming.

I'd hardly call Cooper era "dark." They just had some really tough losses.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

I'd have to agree. He had some great teams, which made our (almost) annual fubar all the more exasperating. If not for his record against "them" (and that friggin MSU game) the 90's would be remembered a lot more fondly.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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osu78's picture

I agree. One or two breaks and he has a NC and is remembered as one of the greats. He was a real good coach, but couldn't win the big one. Harbaugh strikes me as the same type of guy; can build a team but for some reason just can't break out. I'm guessing he's a better pro coach because he can fill in holes whereas in college he has to gamble on some players and try to develop them.

Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.

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BennyOhio's picture

I really do think the economics at stake when it comes to Ohio State football will play a big role in curbing a long sub-par performance period. There's something to the fact that OSU is in the large city of Columbus, and that it has such a cultural impact on the state that seems to make it such a unique place. It has these weird combinations of size and popularity and cultural dominance that will prevent OSU football from ever hitting a long slump.

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soldierdad's picture

Peak oil, Y2K, meteors and space junk, EMP, AIDS, super bugs, and Ramzy is going to warn us OSU could decline some day.  I hate being interrupted, ice age is coming, oh wait earth is warming, California is going to fall into the ocean, Every GOP leader is going to cause WWIII, watch your sodium, watch your cholesterol, red meat will kill you...zzzz

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

Pride comes before the fall.

stay humble. Honor  tradition.  Do your job. 

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kmp10's picture

...won a national title and produced two Heisman Trophy winners at the state of Ohio’s expense.

And Demond Howard is a traitorous piece of dirt as a result. Charles Woodson is just traitorous... which is bad enough.

Ryan Day will either be Gene Smith's Jim Tressel, hired by Andy Geiger, or his John Cooper, hired by Jim Jones. Meyer fell into Smith's lap, so he gets zero credit for that hire, but Ryan Day will define Gene Smith's Ohio State career legacy. If Day excels to Ohio State football standards, which are as high as any place in America, then Smith's legacy will be complete. If, however, Day pulls an Earle Bruce and loses multiple games per season for multiple seasons, well, Smith will have no one to blame but himself, because he handed the best job in college football to a neophyte head coach. I say Day gets three seasons, at most, to prove he belongs. He'll be on a hot seat in year two if 2019 turns into a 9-3, Florida citrus bowl season. If year two would go similarly, then I personally don't know that Day even gets to year three, but if he does, he better win the B1G and make the playoff or he's as good as gone. Being overly patient with someone who is clearly not up to the job resulted in *ichigan, USC, Florida, FSU, Miami, Alabama, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and others falling from grace at various times over the past two decades, and I hope Smith recognizes that and acts accordingly if necessary as opposed to sticking with Day to prove he was a good hire. I'm far from sold on Ryan Day, and that Urban Meyer thinks Day is ready is nearly irrelevant to me... but I'm rooting for Day to be great, and for him to be at Ohio State for a long time. The clock starts ticking on 8/31/19 at high noon, so buckle up. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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irishfury's picture

I feel alot like this myself.  I think people dont understand how big Urban Meyer shoes will be to fill.  I will never forget the Tressel years but Urban took us to a level I think quite a few fans got spoiled by.  It always amazed me when I heard fans calling for his head.  I never understood why Day was always picked as the next in line.  Having Urban back him was a good step for me though.  Also I didnt have faith we could keep recruiting the same talent with Day as Urban and Saban the best in the business at recruiting.  Especially when we started with 3 star in state talent and I remember Day said all the important recruits where contacted after Urban left and Paris Johnson said nobody talked to him.  But he proven me wrong Clark Phillips, J.Flemming and getting Lejond back in the fold if he finishes with adding players like Ransom, Bijan Robinson he will far surpass what I thought was possible for him (Paris Johnson and J.Flemming our rated in the top 5 recruit ratings ever).  The 2021 class is off to about as good start as it could be.  I think that WR and Qb want to play for Day.  Our D-line and Secondary is stocked with elite talent.   If he can prove his chops on the D side he could be special.  

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causeicouldntgo43's picture

Can always count on you for an unvarnished, rational, take on things - appreciate that. Agree that you have to be ruthless in this business, that business being the excellence that Ohio State demands of its football program. Perform or you are out, especially since Day has no prior HC resume other than 3 games last year. The fact is, we don't know what the unknown unknowns are with him since he doesn't have the typical HC experience one would expect for a premier program. That said, he does have a fully stocked cupboard, and appears to be a bright offensive mind, and has made some great moves so far, so I do think he will be successful, but it best be very quickly.

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buckeye1964's picture

the 1990s were the dreaded "cooper years" for ohio state. i got my degree in columbus from 1990- 1994 and continued to work there until '99 - it was awful. if cooper wasn't good buddies with Gee, he would have been fired.

danny

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ScarletGray43157's picture

I read a lot of articles on 11W without checking the byline first.

At some point I realized that this one had to have been written by Ramzy because Ernest Hemingway has passed on.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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David3000's picture

New book coming this fall if you want to revel in Michigan mediocrity - Overtime:
Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverines at the Crossroads of College Football by John U. Bacon https://www.harpercollins.com/9780062886941/overtime/

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Eph97's picture

I have a slightly different perspective on this as it relates to OSU in the 90s. Earl Bruce drove OSU into mediocrity in the 80's. John Cooper modernized OSU football and got it back to elite status in the 90's, with two #2 AP finishes. OSU was by far the dominant team in the B1G in the late 90's with UM's title in '97 an outlier. We only remember Cooper's losses to UM, but quickly forget the positives he brought to the program.

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buckeyearchie76's picture

No matter how much Cooper accomplished at OSU, his legacy will always be that his teams sucked against Michigan.  And that is the way it is for the coach at either Ohio State or Michigan.  And in this rivalry, that is the way it will always be.  GO BUCKS!

Louis Haynes

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Steelydan54's picture

Great reminder that we also can and someday will slide back down the hill. College football dominance is never forever... including Alabama. We are one small step from the top of the CFP world, and one small step from  sliding back into the second tier pack of college football. Let's keep going up!! 

Steelybuck54

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Colortv1967's picture

Has anyone else noticed how silly looking Day is in that pic above the comments? Can’t they find a better one of him?

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

I think the talent is there for the Bucks, and all Day and his staff have to do is coach 'em up. I'll be looking on with interest when Day plays gridiron chess with Lane Kiffin and Luke Fickell for starters this season. What's critical is whether the staff has gelled well enough together from pressbox to field. These first couple of games are the shakedown cruises.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Bukirob's picture

The UM administration frankly should have stayed with Hoke longer than they did.  The biggest difference between OSU and scum is that the Buckeyes have something the bastages up North don't have. Ohio has much better HS football talent overall.  In fact, the BIGGEST thing that Tressel did was erect a FENCE around Ohio Talent.  That continued with Meyer and is continuing with Day.  When M*chigan can't get the top tier talent in Ohio they suffer.  IN the article he names 2 OHIO kids who played for them... they aren't getting the top kids in Ohio because those kids play for the BUCKEYES and like it or not IT IS A TALENT THING. 

Right now UM has 17 kids in the current recruiting class average rank  89.69  OSU has 13  average ranks 92.38.  Michigan and PSU fans cluck about OSU being ranked #3 in the recruiting rankings for the conference. Yet they conveniently ignore that OSU scored higher than anyone in the conference where it really matters, average ranking.  You have to go back to the 2010 recruiting class to find an instance where OSU did not have the top-ranked class in the B1G and they will this year and are already off to a FANTASTIC start for 2021

You WIN with people.

 

 

WW Hayes

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

There is no way they could've stayed with Hoke in my opinion. His teams played hard against OSU sure, but you had the Shane Morris concussion fiasco, the fact that his record was going backwards. For all of Harbaugh's faults, he hasn't had a 5-7 year like Brady Hoke had and I don't think he will.

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acBuckeye's picture

But the conclusion of 2004 was a clear break separating the Michigan football team I still fear - childhood scars are permanent - and the one today's recruits only learn about on their recruiting visits or in YouTube wormholes.

I think the clear break happened more after Lloyd Carr retired following 2007. OSU could've easily lost both the '05 and '06 games. Thankfully, we didn't, but it would've changed the way we look at things. Since Rich Rod, the 90s fear factor has only been there (for me) in both the '16 and '18 games. I was NOT sure if we were the better team going in, but we won both anyway. I know the '13 game was a nail-biter, but I remember feeling (even as UM lined up for 2) like we were never going to lose that game despite how poor the defense was.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Exactly, although Carr couldn't beat Tressel, at least the games were competitive. When Rich Rod came in those games were over before halftime. So i'd say the hire of Richrod was the breaking point.

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TSUNBUCKEYE67's picture

I just wonder how or why the Xichgan fan base tolerates this kind of losing to Ohio State. Thankfully, we have not tolerated loosing to TTUN since Cooper. 

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ScarletandGREAT's picture

My first born was due November 23, 2004. I was induced on Thursday the 18th, partially because my doctor was going out of town for Thanksgiving and partially because I didn't want to go into labor during The Game. We went home Saturday the 20th- Game Day- and although we missed the first touchdown we watched The Game and celebrated the upset. (And yes, my son wore a Buckeye jersey onesie home from the hospital.) And they won for the next 7 years, until 2011.... So my second son was born in May of 2012, and we haven't lost since. He has now tied his brother's 7 straight victories to start his life. But here's the problem- my husband got fixed after the youngest was born, and I'm now 40 years old and no more babies for us.... So we need to just keep on winning!

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