TTUN Picked Third in Preseason Poll and OSU Sixth

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CincyOSU's picture

Do we have to call every writer who picks against OSU a hack? It’s possible they’re highly respected, which Steele is, but just feel differently than diehard OSU homers. It’s nothing to get worked up over. 

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Extramedium's picture

He may not be a hack, but it does boggle the mind how many respected sports writers go this route with their predictions. 

“A very pedestrian team returns a lot of its very pedestrian players from last season, therefore they will be an elite team this season.”

It’s like they all forgot how they had Wisconsin 3rd in the nation preseason last year by following the same logic.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

Except TTUN doesn't even return THAT many starters from said pedestrian team.  They lost the majority of their vaunted defense. It does boggle the mind.

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seyekcuB's picture

Don't bring facts into this...we are talking about Mr Steele.

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sheidster's picture

Exactly. UM has had some decent recruiting classes but what are these writers thinking. The defensive depth is not next man up deep. There are definitely no more Garys,Winovichs, and Bushs to fill in and replace without skipping a beat. Not to mention the absolute lack of a running back. Both Higdon and Evans are gone. I do think the passing game should in theory be better if Black and Peoples Jones stay healthy but if they have no running game and a weaker defensive line I don't see how the 2019 fighting harbaughs are better than last season.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

Sports writers go this route because doing so engages the two largest fanbases in CF. They know Michigan fans will tell literally everybody they know about it because "this is the year" and they know OSU fans will keep their story relevant by bitching about it for days.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

It’s the base level of fandom and so very tiresome.

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seyekcuB's picture

His record is overwhelmingly terrible. Anyone can pick Bama or Clemson to make the playoffs every year. Ohio state should be favored and if you look at the only people that matter(vegas) when it comes to preseason predictions I think you'll find smart money is on Ohio state to win the big ten.

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huffdaddy's picture

His Michigan pick is bad.

But he is the writer who pretty much all college football writers follow and read. He is not an idiot. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

I believe TTUN is favored currently so...

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countrybuckeye's picture

as a kindly reminder, Vegas bookmaking establishments set the line/odds to get to a point where the money comes in evenly on both sides of the betting mass, so as to ‘make money’ on the wagering activity

it is just business

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cecsix's picture

He's actually one of the best at what he does when you look at the amount of time he puts into research and actually talking to coaches.  If he's a hack then what CFB writer do you think is better?  

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seyekcuB's picture

Let me just expand on that statement...yes the guy is a hack if he picks Michigan a team that just lost 3 high NFL draft picks on defense. You just don't replace that type of talent. Michigan isnt Bama or Ohio state. I refuse to compare them to Clemson because Clemson is shit and will soon return to the west Virginia's of the world.

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Snake64's picture

Let me just correct you here for a second on two accounts

1) Michigan lost far more from their defense following the 2016 season which was a great defense and then replaced all of them and had a better defense two years in a row. So it's entirely possible they don't have a large drop off this year from a statistical standpoint. I don't expect them to be better next year but i don't see them becoming shit.

2) Clemson sure as hell ain't going anywhere. 2 NC in 3 years and recruiting classes in the top 10 basically the last 5 years with this type of epic class. I'm afraid to disappoint you but they are here to stay for quite some time.

It's not easy being a hater but you do a damn good job of it and seem to feel quite justified in your remarks..

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mittenst8buck's picture

Clemson is shit? 2 national championships in 3 years...and they beat our ass whenever we play them. You are delusional...I don't see how Clemson is falling off...they have an easy road in the ACC and they are recruiting like crazy. I could see Bama falling back a little before Clemson just because Clemson has the easier road on a yearly basis.

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Smitty516's picture

Overall I really respect Steele and agree with most of his stuff. I honestly don’t blame him from using those 2 as the difference maker in ttun winning. With that said, I feel that our OLine will be upgraded from last year. Further, I think Fields has a much higher ceiling than Patterson. I still haven’t had a chance to grab a copy, but will tomorrow and read more detail into his explanation.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

It's not hype. It's well reasoned. This also isn't bias. Michigan, right now, is in a better position to win because you don't know what Fields will be and aren't positive what Day will do.

This will all change about Mid October when most OSU detractors realize the same thing. "How many more years of this sh*t do we have to endure" is the clubhouse leader right now.

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seyekcuB's picture

I know what Michigan has at QB. They also lost alot on defense which was clearly the strength of their team last year. Fields is going to win the Heisman in Days offense.

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smith288's picture

You sound like a hack.
 

The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.

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Extramedium's picture

It’s not really all that well reasoned if you’ve paid any attention to college football over the past two decades.  Teams that are average, returning their average players, remain average.  Patterson is not going to suddenly become a world killer, especially under Harbaugh’s offense.  Harbaugh is not suddenly going to change schemes because he still thinks he’s a genius due to when he happened to be the coach while Andrew Luck played. 

Unless they had a giant influx of talent and/or coaching changes we aren’t aware of, there’s not a single reason to think UM will be any better than last season. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

If he lets his new OC do his job, things might change, but that does not seem to be in his DNA.

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Hovenaut's picture

Great point.

I think Gattis can definitely make do with what they have - Patterson and the wideouts have good potential - but it'll come down to whether or not they have good chemistry/balance/communication on offense.

I'm also skeptical - Gattis, while bright, has less than a decade coaching. He was a safety as a player.

Coaching for/with Harbaugh, the former QB/current egomaniac.

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Oakland Buckeye's picture

MAIN POINT - I havent seen yet Hov is they have ZERO RB'S!!

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Please don't make me defend Michigan. 10-3, 10-3, 8-5, 10-3. Big game losses hurt but Michigan is not average, nor are its players. They can't slay the OSU dragon because OSU had better players and was better coached. Right now there is more mystery to OSU. While I don't disagree that Shea won't turn into a world beater, I also don't suspect he'll regress that far. 

Every time this time of the year rolls around, its a race on 11W to point out the 'haters' of the (AT WORST) third most successful program in college football. The fact is, Fields can suck. We don't know. Day might not be prepared to be the actual head guy, not the one with Meyer's safety net. We know Harbaugh's teams will march out tough, physical, offensively inept squads that still manage to win double digits 75% of the time.

We are looking at it in JUNE. We know nothing other than what is there, what's coming back, and who has actual tape to base things off of. There is too much to consider in order to come to this conclusion that right now, Michigan is favored. Garret Wilson can be a star, Justin Fields can be the second coming, Ryan Day can be Lincoln Reilley but better. We all think that might happen but we don't know. What we think we know is that Michigan should be pretty good and plays OSU in Ann Arbor and until OSU goes and proves it (They will), Michigan should be favored.

What you want is people to unabashedly support OSU, and that's fine too.I'm just saying let them ride high. It makes the crash even worse ;)

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David3000's picture

Just to push back a bit on Michigan mediocrity: I would say the numbers you posted show a somewhat average power 5 football team, considering 3-4 of those wins every year should be gimmes. So it's more like a 7-3 season in 2018, which is still above average, but much closer to average than the padded schedule shows. Regardless of how we want to define it, I encourage them to continue as is!

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Ten wins is ten wins. OSU plays the same teams in conference. The issue I do take with favoring Michigan is that is seems like a case of continuing to pick them because at some point they have to win, right? It seems to ignore the very real possibility of a mental block. The fact that OSUs current staff and roster knows nothing but victory over Michigan while Michigan's staff and roster knows only defeat makes you wonder what it takes to get over that mountain.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Meh. Summer is always Michigan hype season. We all know how this story ends. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Extramedium's picture

The fact that it keeps happening is why it’s surprising 

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Wildragei's picture

It is not surprising at all, it sells clicks and give the talking heads something to fill airtime with.

Wildragei

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MaineStrength's picture

I like UM's chances.  I also see the retooled o-line and have my questions on Fields.  I also like that UM has the home field advantage and OSU has PSU the week before whereas UM has Indiana.  However, I still give OSU the edge if I had to put my money on the line.  I don't expect a blow out like last year and think it will be a close game, but I tend to give OSU the edge until proven otherwise, assuming both teams go into the game relatively healthy.  

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I see Michigan’s retooled defense and see just as many questions.

I see Michigan’s running backs and have many questions. 

Still have questions about Patterson.

Still have questions about the scheme on offense. 

So let’s not act like Michigan has this whole thing figured out. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Patterson has a weenie arm, they win 8 games this year. I think they play Army? If so Army is beating them

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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aj99's picture

And their schedule is tough. When they lose to Notre Dame and Army in the first part of the schedule we'll see if the wheels come off.

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MaineStrength's picture

I see Michigan’s retooled defense and see just as many questions.

Agree

I see Michigan’s running backs and have many questions. 

Agree

Still have questions about Patterson

Agree

Still have questions about the scheme on offense. 

Agree

So let’s not act like Michigan has this whole thing figured out. 

I picked OSU to win the game, not sure where you got that.  It's OK to have some analysis.  It's boring when discussion points are completely one sided. 

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Playing PSU the week before definitely worries me. But if Meyer taught Day anything it is to respect the rivalry above everything else so I believe an embarrassment to PSU is more likely than a hangover in the game. Indiana has been a stout test to Michigan the past few years too, taking them to overtime recently and exposing their lack of ability to defend crossing routes in the first half of their match up last year.

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MaineStrength's picture

Agree, I could see PSU upsetting OSU, but those upsets generally tend to happen when PSU gets them in Happy Valley.  I also agree that it's only a matter of time until Indiana beats UM.  Still conventional wisdom remains that OSU has a harder game the week before, UM gets the home field advantage, and OSU has coaching uncertainty.  All said I still give OSU a slight advantage due to recent history and a little more talented roster top to bottom.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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The Rill Dill's picture

You didn’t expect a blowout last year, or did you——with the opposite result.

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MaineStrength's picture

You didn’t expect a blowout last year, or did you——with the opposite result.

No, but I also didn't expect Purdue to blow OSU out...shit happens.  One game doesn't really move the needle a lot when considering the rest of the data just as I wouldn't expect Purdue to beat OSU if they played in 2019.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

whereas UM has Indiana

If my memory serves me correctly, this hasn't been an easy game for UM

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MaineStrength's picture

If my memory serves me correctly, this hasn't been an easy game for UM

Easy?...no.  A UM win?...yes.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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blu.fan's picture

I'll believe it after the games are over and not before. I'll root for Michigan, but I'm sick and tired of September Heisman trophies and summer champions. My heart has been broken so many times the last 20 years I won't believe the corner has turned until I see a dozen years where Michigan is competitive with OSU and wins at least a third of their games. And that's pretty sad:  I'm a Michigan fan, and right now, I can't even believe in the possibility of Michigan ever dominating OSU. Smh.

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PhillyNut's picture

As an Indians fan I feel the same pain. So close yet so far for so many years.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Wildragei's picture

You are not alone, OSU fans can’t believe in the possibility of Xichigan ever dominating either!

Wildragei

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Does this mean that when Ohio St wins the big ten and national title, that Ryan Day will win Big ten coy?

JK it will go to Kirk Ferentz for earning another contract extension

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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Mastro16's picture

Does Ferentz earn contract extensions by winning COY, or doesn’t he win COY by earning contract extensions?

Just kill me now so I can have the answers

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Wargor's picture

I've said before that this is our best chance in decades.  Still, if you were to tell me with a time machine that OSU runs the table I'd still take the field straight up to actually win the award.  

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buckeyearchie76's picture

Michigan had a very good defense last year and shut down lots of people.  Michigan lost a ton of those players to the NFL--and rightfully so.  How can anybody who has any common sense think that this team that relied so much on their defense and lost so many will be better this year.  Go figure!  GO BUCKS!

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Independence Village 22's picture

Gary, Bush, Winovich, both corners. They are a huge question mark on defense this season. And they gave up 62 with their #1 ranked unit last year. Anyone picking Michigan is doing so for clicks and controversy. Funny thing is this has been happening and bought ever since Harbaugh arrived.

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FitzBuck's picture

Who are they rolling out on the d line?  They have next to nothing thanks to transfers and recruiting misses.  

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awlinBrutus's picture

Recruiting is getting harder and harder for them under Harbaugh. He’s not the shiny new HC any longer. We will see soon enough.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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GunnerBuck's picture

Given we play them at the end of the year, Ohio St will win again. Regardless of the hype. I'm sure TTUN will be good but given the amount of talent and the offensive staff Day has put together, we'll put up 70 a game on a bad day.

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Bucks2K18's picture

If we put up 70 points in a game and we had a bad day, I don't want to hear any complaints from our fanbase about the offense

That's a Buckeye touchdown!

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GunnerBuck's picture

We will. We'll always hear complaining. "We should have scored 100!"

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FieldsofJreams's picture

Given we play them at the end of the year,

I had never thought about it this way b4.  If this game was played early in the year, I don’t think we would dominate the series like we currently are.  Our talent gap widens as the season progresses, as our younger players fulfill their potential.  I would guess a 3* and 4* have much closer floors than they do ceilings.

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Earthoid.'s picture

Case in point.. Olave doesn't have the game he had last year at the beginning or even middle of the year.  That said, they have the same opportunity to get better being that they play us at the same time that we play them.. and they apparently decide ... not to.

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Anglefan's picture

I don’t have a problem with UM being picked to beat us since they are at home and we do have questions. It’ll be a tough game. However, I just don’t see how they’re talented enough to get through their schedule with less than two losses. Too many lose-able games.

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MiamiBuckeye's picture

The Big Ten is more likely to not be represented in the playoffs again than for Michigan to get in. They're not running the table. 

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mmp15f's picture

My biggest problem with Michigan being predicted to beat us, make the playoff, etc. in 2019 is that a big reason fans/media are high on them seems to be the fact that they return 4 starters on the O-line and all 4 of those guys made an All-B1G team. I watched Michigan play a fair amount last season, and I was stunned when that was announced because their O-line didn't impress me.

Despite losing Jones, our D-line should honestly be better this year. Young, Smith, Cooper, Landers, Hamilton, Cornell, Vincent, and Togiai are all back and they'll be even better than they were last year. Michigan's O-line struggled against our D-line last year, and I'm not sure why it'd be any different this year.

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Rocket Man's picture

Good.  Let those folks up north get back to their customary cockiness.  It'll make November all the more sweet.

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allinosu's picture

It's about selling copies and UM fans will buy 5 each to read and OSU fans will buy to have a good laugh. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Not sure why this is so surprising.

On paper they have talent. Offense looks set if they can muster up an adequate running back, and there is still some talent on defense (look out for newcomers at DT in Mazi Smith and Chris Hinton Jr).

The schedule is favorable, if they survive early trips to Madison and Happy Valley, they get Notre Dame, MSU, and Ohio State in Ann Arbor.

And the hope is that Urban is finally gone, it's Harbaugh's best shot.

We know better.

Beat Florida Atlantic, go Buckeyes.

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buckguyfan1's picture

Simplify...

7-0 and a chance to go 8-0...

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The Rill Dill's picture
They first have to get past Army.  
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huffdaddy's picture

If Fields stays healthy, we win.

if we are starting Hoak, the end of our season could be unpleasant.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

When will they learn?

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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OSU56's picture

When will they learn?

For some, Arrogance eliminates the ability to accept reality of defeat-sometimes Mirages play a role in masking the pain.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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aledyard's picture

Phil Steele is no hack and has a reputation as one of the best at predicting how things will shake out in college football.  Should be interesting....

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Yep.  And when somebody picks two teams to be this close in the rankings, it’s basically a toss-up.  Due to the fact that John Cooper is no longer coaching our crew in that game, I’ll take those odds.

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aledyard's picture

I do like our odds a lot better without Coop at the helm.  

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Agreed. It's also probably pretty boring and predictable to write the same preview every year with the Buckeyes coming out on top. Not saying he's doing it for sales, but unique angles sell. 

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Brutus Buckeye's picture

Every summer Michigan is the top team in the Big Ten.

Then the season starts. 

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erniefurgler's picture

Why do I get the feeling if Fields had transferred to Bama, LSU or any other SEC school, there wouldn't be a question mark about his ability??  #2 rated player in the country coming out of HS and his stats last year (albeit in mop-up duty) were excellent.  Michigan has a lot of holes to fill on D and their RB position is a much bigger question mark than our QB position.  If Michigan struggles in the running game, what do you thinks going to happen to their antiquated passing game.

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Because you are one of the fans who thinks the world is against you... just like the fans of SEC teams who think the same exact thing.

Please just get over this inferiority complex and you’ll enjoy this all a lot more.  We’ll win all the games or we won’t.  It does not matter what anybody says.  Including me.

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erniefurgler's picture

Not in the least...I haven't lost a wink of sleep due to what the experts are saying about OSU.  My point was I just don't see the major concern at the QB position that the pundits do...it appears the uncertainty of Day is a direct correlation to the QB

And more so, I really don't see the love for Michigan...but i guess that's why they play the game

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Eddie27Zeke15's picture

Excellent.  I stand corrected.

So many fans wake up feeling cheated by the fact that the rest of the world doesn’t love their team as much as they do.  Then they justify it by saying that the media are all hacks and the other team sucks.  While those things might be true in some cases, it’s often just verbal diarrhea.

But if you’re deploying reason, I comment you.

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Knarcisi's picture

That’s fine and nothing to get upset about, but those 2 reasons are a little overblown. 

With another teacher, maybe I’d worry with Fields, but he has Ryan Day. And his potential is much greater. Fields at his best is championship level. Probably can’t say the same for Patterson. 

And I keep hearing this about the OL, but why doesn’t anyone go just a birth further to see that starting experience if there?  Bowen and Jackson are former starters. Jackson, all B10. And Davis and Alabi have started In really big games late in the season. Myers is the only newbie and the staff was very close considering him ready last year. And if NPF can beat out Bowen and Alabi for a starting spot, well, then that’s not really a problem, now, is it?

Congratulations on another September championship, scUM. 

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buckguyfan1's picture

My man.

Simplify...

7-0 and a chance to go 8-0...

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Every one of these predictions come down to one thing...Ryan Day.  They can talk about what players stayed, what players left, whatever.  But if the two rosters heading into fall were exactly the same but Urban was still here, most of these guys would have a different outlook on the conference champion.  So basically I read these, see their reasoning, but know in the back of my head that none of it means anything because they are all still waiting to be sold on Day.  Most of us know a lot more about Day and his new look staff than these national writers do.  We also seem to know more about what Harbaugh is capable of (or what he is NOT capable of) than these other writers.  

My apologies in advance to Browns fans, but Michigan has been the Cleveland Browns of college football for about 2 decades..."Next year watch out!".  They just have a much higher winning percentage than the Browns.

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Bigmarty's picture

  The sunlight and fresh air shocks them and they return to their well known arrogance.  Most years at about this time the skunk bears come out of the sewers they have been hiding in since the last whooping they got back in November.  It is a seasonal thing.  I wouldn't be concerned...in fact I would be worried if they weren't blinded by reality as well..

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

So in other words people are expecting the OSU football program to fall to TTUN levels? Good, maybe Ryan Day will use it as bulletin board material. That kind of disrespect served us well in 2014.

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NHBuckeye's picture

Good.  We've seen this story before.  The pressure is on, Jimmy Boy.  If he doesn't break through this year, he may never do it.  I don't think the CFB world knows what's coming with this Day/Yurcich/Wilson offense.  It's going to be very hard to stop.  

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OSU56's picture

Can Jimmy Boy handle another disappointing season???

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Earle's picture

Let them have this for now. Soon enough they’ll start playing the games again and realize that Ohio State isn't rebuilding or even retooling, they just reloaded. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

So does that mean that Patterson wins the September Heisman too????

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Squirrel Master's picture

I wholly disagree with Steele on UM not because I think OSU is better, but because I believe teams early on will see the situation at rb and terms off on Patterson forcing them to become one dimensional. Couple that with a retooled defense and I see a lesser talented version of the Buckeyes from last year. Bad defense and no respected running game will make it tough for them.

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B1Gbuckeye's picture

Michigan probably has the best receiving group in the big 10, and decent o-line and quarterback back play. I think they will be a little better on offense, but will take a dive defensively. They will be good, but not 11-1 good. 

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Buckeye06's picture

I think OSU fans would be pretty happy with a top 5-6 finish, but certainly would not be if MIchigan was in the playoffs 

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

Just to nitpick, it's not a "poll" if it's the opinion of just one person. A poll by definition reflects a group opinion.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

Remember folks he's only going by right now. Ohio St has a lot of question marks all over the place. QB, offensive line, a completely new defense, and a nearly complete overhaul of the coaching staff. By the time the game rolls around this could change, and probably will.

Noon games suck

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billybigwheel's picture

This. While we're absolutely loaded, we are a giant question mark. We're losing arguably the best coach ever, easily a top 5. There are question marks and this is a fair assessment. Nothing to be offended about.

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BayCountyBuck's picture

Urban figured out how to get the most of out his guys during rivalry week, I hope Coach Day got the recipe. PSU and MSU before the Game is BS. I'm not advocating for a chicken shit Saturday but the best teams in the division shouldn't be playing the last two weeks of the year with a conference championship to follow. 

When I was 6 I was thinking about this rivalry. This one is seared on your soul, It's ingrained through every part of your body. -Urban Meyer

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LCT's picture

This is a great point. Urban owned The Game. If I have any trepidation about Day, it's the unknown factor here.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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PaulFinebaumIsBiased's picture

I can see why some would pick TTUN right now, just because Urban is gone and the quality of play at the QB position for OSU is unknown right now. That being said, I have seriously high expectations for OSU this year. Not gonna lie, anything less than winning the Big Ten East and beating TTUN will be a major disappointment

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Canukbuck's picture

Michigan lost the motors on defense, so I believe they will take a step back on the defensive side of the ball .... TTUN better hope they develop a passing attack, since they are down to almost water boys at the RB position.  I'm not sure that TTUN has adequately replaced those who left, while I believe that OSU has done a very good job in that phase of the game (although, I'm a little nervous about the O-Line, since that usually takes time to gel) .... they'll have a full season, however, to become a solid unit, before we meet the Puke & Blue ...... Sorry, Jimbo, there's just not going to be a change in script this season, so chalk up another end of season loss .....

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oztintacius's picture

Games in Ann Arbor are never easy, even when OSU was clearly better in the late 2000s. I think it will come down to whether or not Fields has the composure to make plays in that game; I expect Patterson will.

We aren't going to be quite as "fast" on the perimeter with Paris, Terry, and Dixon all gone, and I'm interested to see how that changes the dynamics of the offense.
 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm a big Phil Steele fan, but looking at Michigan's schedule . . . even if Michigan meets Steele's expectation quality wise, they figure to go about 9-3. That's not good enough to win the Big Ten East and it is certainly not getting them to the Playoff. For Michigan to go 11-1, they would need to have a dream season where everything goes right.

In contrast, Ohio State is projected to win about 10.5 games given its schedule. This is why Vegas bookmakers have Ohio State favored to win the Big Ten East - simple math. Phil Steele is usually a pretty common sense guy, so I am surprised he went for the contrarian pick this time. 

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ScarletnGreyTexan's picture

I respect Steele but I am here to tell you Patterson is NOT an elite QB. 

My youngest son is a QB and we go out to Steve Clarksons camps in the spring and early summer. This year ( less than a month ago) we went to the QB retreat. For those of you not familiar with the camp it is put on by Steve Clarkson and his coaches and sponsored by Adidas as well as other companies. it is well run and they only have about 10-12 kids per age division (10-12, 13-14, 15-16, 17-18). Some really big name kids show up at this one in the 17-18 group. DJ Ugalalei (spelling is wrong) was there as well as 2-3 other very highly recruited Elite 11 kids. What makes this camp different from his others is unlike his other camps, this camp, the "coaches" or counselors are current D1 QB's. This years list was Trevor Lawrence, Jalen Hurts, Sam Ehlinger, Kellen Mond, Jacob Eason, Hunter Johnson ( PHENOMENAL young man, I can't say enough about how humble and nice this guy was) Spencer Rattler and none other than Shea Patterson. I won't go into all the details about the 3 days but let's just say I walked away with a lesser opinion of Patterson than before we went. not sure how it was possible but I did. From strutting around and not really helping to his just overall attitude of I'm the baddest mofo here. EVERY OTHER D1 QB was wonderful and helped the kids, spent time helping them get better, not Shea. seriously. not at all. anyway fast forward to the end of the camp and they decide to have a long throw contest. you could run up, stand there or flip to the line but your toe couldn't go past the goal line. to have a qualifying throw your throw had to land between the hash marks (high school hash marks) or it had 5 yards subtracted. ALL of them warmed up, nobody went into the throw cold. Some of them like T Lawrence didn't compete. Nick Starkey had the longest throw for the D1's at 74 flown yards. BIG arm. Shea stepped up and his first attempt (flown yards) went 52 yards and landed outside the hash marks. you were only allowed ONE THROW, but because he did so poorly they gave him a mulligan...second and final throw went 54 yards and landed outside the hash marks again. that is not with the subtraction from landing outside the hash marks. that is how far he threw the football.  ironically the person who won it was a kid who is in the class of 2022...kid you not...2022 and he threw it 76 or 77 yards. UNREAL. anyway. Shea doesn't have a strong arm. at all.  Go Bucks

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Panther72's picture

This is well known up north. Shea underthrows the long ball. That said. Jt didn't have the greatest accuracy which is why the NFL passed on him. Shea does make up for that in his decisions. Will be interesting to see how Gattis scheme works over the season. Will be a fun game to watch for sure.

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hthe620110's picture

Same shit different year, same results. The hype does not match the results, next.

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bd2999's picture

Preseason national champs. I will believe they do anything when they do. If OSU's defense is improved, the game is probably not close either way. Their defense lost a fair number of parts. 

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OSU56's picture

The hype has started again as Phil Steele has picked The skunk weasels to win the East and make CFB playoffs 

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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DonTurner's picture

Any team with a good defense has always shut down Shea Patterson.     

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Ca114fire's picture

Oh...I get it. We giving the TTUN fans a Revenge Tour 2? I'll play along

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G.'s picture

It's gonna be a blowout... OSU: 56 - UM:10

G.

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Felton Buckeye's picture

TTUN lost their best defensive players from last year and two of their better coaches from their defense. I think their defense gives up 20 points per game or more this year and I don’t think their offense will be able to overcome the amount of time of possession that their opponents will control the ball.

Felton Buckeye

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btalbert25's picture

I honestly don't understand this new found respect for Michigan.  Last year was their best chance to actually win the B1G and make the playoff.  EVERYTHING broke their way, including a checked out and sick (I think a lot of the health stuff was overblown) Meyer, and a pretty suspect defense on Ohio State.  They just couldn't get out of their own way yet again.  I don't believe with all the losses on D they'll be better than last year.  I actually think the rest of the B1G may not be as good, though, so we'll see.  

We have a few questions, but I think the D is going to be better, and O-Line will be too.  I also think Fields is less of a question mark than Haskins was entering the year last year.  

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tcm1968's picture

Team Up North's playoff chances will be dead on arrival. Fully expect them to drop either the Army game or Wisky game or both. I agree OSU will be a work in progress but we know what they have up there. No running back, a QB that has a history of being not good against equal or better talent and a BUNCH of holes to fill on defense.  That's a minimum 3 loss team that won't sniff the playoffs... and if things go off the rails early it could get UGLY.

Go Bucks!

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I just don't understand the hype over Patterson. Looked very average every time I watched him play. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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btalbert25's picture

College football players remind me a lot of racehorses.  If a horse has a great pedigree, sometimes what they do on the track is ignored because, well he's a sire of Curlin, this is going to be the race he blows up!  To me, recruiting ratings are kind of like pedigree.  People believe because a guy was a high rated recruit he's going to become a good player on the field, and it makes no difference what actual on field performance says about the guy. 

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brothadudeguy's picture

I can understand the concern over the uncertainty of a new head coach and new starting quarterback. What about the complete lack of experience on the defensive side of the ball for TTUN? They lost a lot of production on their best side of the ball as well as losing 2 of their best coaches. Add that to a shaky offense that's going to try to go up tempo and that could be bad. Am I the only one that sees the possible disaster that TTUN could be? 

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BuckIDave's picture

Michigan is not more talented than the Buckeyes, and the Wolverines have a QB and a HC that is 0-1 and 0-4 respectively vs. OSU.  Just maybe the higher ranking for Michigan is only because "The Game" is in Ann Arbor this year. 

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buckeye phi's picture

Steele's publication is one of the few good ol' fashioned hard copy mags I still purchase every preseason.  Although, I remain more of a Street and Smith kinda guy.  It's great coffee table/conversation starter stuff - assuming one has the right kind of (college football crazed) guests 

However, I have to say I pretty much ignore their predictions - especially regarding the national picture.  But they still are a good way of keeping tabs on on which players are coming back and which recruits are coming in.  Of course, any coaching changes are included.  

So, my opinion of Steele is good - but only as a provider of easy to access basic info.  Again - not as a clairvoyant.  

Think for a moment about Crazy Jimmy's best teams since he's been at TSUN.  They've all been defensive driven squads.  Considering Harbaugh's supposed claim to fame is generally thought to be as an offensive genius - especially, a purported quarterback whisperer - don't you find that a little odd?  

When it comes to college football, Harbaugh's only "marquee achievement" is Andrew Luck - or so we're told .  However, I would suggest Andrew Luck is more of a product of Oliver Luck than Jim Harbaugh.  And I believe his lack of success in developing a college quarterback since bears my theory out.  

Therefore, in a year like this - in which there have been major losses on their defensive side - most "elite" programs rightfully expect the the other side of the ball to carry more of the load in the upcoming season.  But until proven otherwise, I do not consider TSUN to be an elite program any longer - at least not under Harbaugh (and Hoke before him). 

In fact I can only think of a few UM players I'd take over ours at a given position currently - and that does not include quarterback.  Harbaugh is going to have to show me a great, dynamic college offense without Andrew Luck before I'll buy that. 

Don't get me wrong - as long as they have Don Brown coaching the defense they're going to be a tough opponent.  And it is THE rivalry, after all.  But contrary to Crazy Jimmy, I believe Ryan Day is absolutely the real deal.  There's good evidence of that already.  By all accounts, in his first full cycle, he's presently out-recruiting Harbaugh for goodness sake - rather significantly at this point according to the sources I read. 

Since it was Ryan Day's offense that put up more than sixty points on TSUN last season - with a better defensive effort, I have no reason to believe an even larger margin of victory may not be the case this year. 

Sorry, Phil -

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. - Will Rogers

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Ah the preseason poll. Frankly I have no idea how anyone has any idea how we’ll do. New coaches galore and new QB that I don’t feel like I have a real sense yet of what he’s truly capable of.  We have a lot of talent - could be amazing. We could also be average as the coaching staff all adjusts to each other. We’ve lost against crap teams with mega talent and we’ve won against all odds and 3 QBs deep. As far as Michigan goes - they have some coaching turnover too thanks to us and a QB we’ve seen a lot from and so far has been middle road but he’s definitely got miles on him. Best to just take it one game at a time and ignore pundits who are paid to create drama.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I used some TP this morning that had about as much value as all the polls out right now.

In all honesty, just need the season to hurry up and get here. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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CowCat's picture

I think this all comes down to Fields and Patterson. Patterson is the known commodity at this point. Fields clearly has more raw talent, but will he take the job as OSU's QB to heart? Will he carry the team on his back like Braxton, JT or Dwayne? Too many open questions with no ball to play yet.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Wargor's picture

Fields may not have to be as Haskins to get the job done.  Our defense should be better, and theirs might take a step back.  Only once in this millennia would scoring three fewer touchdowns (41 pts.) have possibly changed the outcome (2013 - 42-41).  

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allinosu's picture

Every year there are predictions that this is UM's year. Sooner or later it will happen and those who predicted it will crow(The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes...Churchill). Other than WRs(and they haven't really dominated), everything on offense is overrated. This year under their new OC reminds me of those old Micky Rooney football movies of the 40s and 50s that success revolved around new secret plays. There will be a gasp of despair when they lose early and again November 30th. I wonder what they come up with next year to convince those fools that "this the year"(The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience...Schopenhauer). Has anyone ever explained to that fan base about the saying, fool me once  shame on you, fool me twice  shame on me". 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I guess I don't see why everyone is so enamored with what's left of a "Top 5" defense that was gutted for 62 points by the Buckeyes BEFORE they lost Rashan Gary, Devin Bush, Chase Winovich, and David Long in the NFL draft.  Never mind that they also lost Greg Mattison and Al Washington...

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I think what is being missed by Steele and other prognosticators about Michigan this year is the change in scheme on O.   

On the surface it makes complete sense to base a prediction on proven data, and returning production, returning QB, returning HC, all make perfect sense.  However, does anyone ever ask is the returning production right for the new scheme?  I'm sure that Michigan's D is going to be top 10 or better nationally again.  Proven coach, good talent taking over for those who are gone, and that talent has been in Brown's system for one or more years.  But what will they do with all the TEs and FBs?  On offense, crazy Jimmie has recruited, like any good coach, to his scheme and he's starting year 5.  I don't buy that kids are just plug and play.  Beyond the learning curve of learning a new system, Gattis will need the right personnel.  Maybe he's got them, but I think that's going to be an issue.  Take the O line.  Awful O line for several years now, but improved last year.  Warriner is good, but not a miracle worker, and now he's got to coach up the O line under a different scheme that isn't pro-style, power I with two TEs and a FB.  

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