Is This a New Low in Youth Sports?

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NorthBerg's picture

Unfortunately it is not a new low. Crap like this happens every year. I helped with a 6U coach pitch baseball team and I was astounded at the parents reliving the probably non existent glory of their lost youth through the athletic exploits of their children. Their child not being a winner at age four is traumatic to some parents. Throw in alcohol, opioids, and just plain meaness, you have have a recipe for violence on the sandlot.

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Grisle's picture

Just some pathetic parent living vicariously through his son. 

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stxbuck's picture

Judges can declare people mentally incompetent or legally insane. Maybe people like this dude should be legally declared assholes, on the record.

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tcm1968's picture

There's probably more to the story. This stuff happens but it almost always ends in a lot fo shouting, swear words and chest pumping but never goes past that.. You've got a couple of people REALLY drunk or REALLY don't like each other or both. 

The surprising thing to me is they can't identify the guy in the video and setup a tip line. I can't imagine he's some dude just taking in a game. Got to be a Dad or an Uncle or something.. 

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brutus0717's picture

So this begs the question...who the hell gets/arrives drunk at a 7 year old's baseball game?!?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

They must have mistaken the description, it was a teal shirt and not shorts.  Here's a clip from the in field fight:

Guy's name is Randy Marsh, from a local team out of South Park, Colorado.  He did end up getting apprehended shortly after:

Apparently this guy gets into the same trouble all across Colorado: http://www.comedycentral.com.au/south-park/videos/the-best-of-randy-mars...

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stxbuck's picture

Travelling team conclaves are all day events-they sell beer for the parents at the baseball center in Dayton during youth tournaments. I imagine it is similar in other places.....................

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Right? They know the teams playing, the rosters, and, presumably, the organizer of the league. Silly.

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Il_Padrino's picture

Absolutely nuts.

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Sunny Buck's picture

One of my son's tee-ball games came very close to this situation.

I also coached for four years on my son's youth football teams. I have learned three things about youth sports; (1) I would never be an umpire. (2) I would never be a referee. (3)  A security guard with body cam should be present at all youth sporting events. Sad but true, the times we live in.

 

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

Agree on all counts, which is sad commentary on where we've arrived as a society....

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LowCountryBuckeyeinBluffton's picture

Not necessarily the times we live in.  While in junior high school, I umpired Little League games (early 1970s).  A parent came after me after one game.  Fortunately, my uncle was there to defend me.

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Wargor's picture

Wait, you're telling me everything wasn't peaches and cream in the halcyon days of yore?  Or did kids these days invent a time machine and go back to ruin the past too?  ;)

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brutus0717's picture

Option B :)

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Kasino Royale's picture

So you know about the time machine, huh? You'll forget this thread very soon.........................

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

I'm not one for the "everything was wonderful in years gone by" stuff, bad people have always and will always exist, just like stupid people have always and will always do stupid things.   It just seems like this kind of crap happens more often nowadays, I think it's just a function of our social structure (more single parent homes, more fractured homes, parents too distracted with technology to spend meaningful time with their kids etc etc etc).  Maybe it just seems that way.

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apack614's picture

The only difference is that it's more available now. Every person in the world has a cell phone in their hand ready to record a video.

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Frimmel's picture

I think this is the really big thing. Cell phones and the internet have just made it so the most egregious instances get spread far and wide. I don't think we're more or less prone to losing our tempers than in the past. 

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brutus0717's picture

I disagree. Go on Prime and pull up some old Brady Bunch episodes. I'm not saying all families acted like that, but it was a significantly more polite time in our history. I'm also not saying there weren't horrible people, but there were far fewer of them. I could go into the myriad of reasons why society has degraded, but I won't.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

This may come as a shock but the Brady Bunch wasn't real.

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NorthBerg's picture

Gasp! You are saying that the Brady Bunch was not real?. Next I suppose that you will claim that Saint Nick is a myth!  Blasphemy!

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brutus0717's picture

Not saying it was, but that show wouldn't last 2 episodes today.

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Wargor's picture

Take a look at the murder stats for the years the brady bunch was on vs. today.  Adjust for population if you really want to get a dim view of that halcyon time period.  

Beyond that, look at how sanitized Hollywood was in general back then.  Take war movies as just one example.  Compare The Longest Day (good movie, don't get me wrong) with Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers for realism.  And they knew better than we do how unrealistic they were making things.  I don't know how old you are, and it kinda doesn't matter, but if you are pulling up American sitcoms from the early 70's as an example of life in America you may want to re-examine your history.

As a reminder, this happened while that show was on the air:

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SonOfBuckeye's picture

Take a look at the murder stats for the years the brady bunch was on vs. today.  Adjust for population if you really want to get a dim view of that halcyon time period.

Adult behavior was better back then. Crime rates didn't drop because behavior improved. They dropped because we started locking up a gigantic percentage of the population. The numbers were completely unprecedented in U.S. history and still dwarf incarceration stats in the rest of the developed world.

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Wargor's picture

Certainly a factor, but it definitely isn't the only one (though we absolutely cannot discuss some of those here).  Still, I'm not convinced that adults acted better 'back then'.  Crime spiked up in the 70's and 80's and the mass incarceration was (in part) a response to that 'bad behavior'.  Sure, it may have helped in bringing the crime rate down, but that doesn't argue for good behavior in the past, rather the opposite.  And yes, we're talking about violent crime vs. general societal behavior, but my main point is that the good ol' days weren't as good as people often think.  Hell, the Romans had a phrase for it: memoria praeteritorum bonorum = the past is always well remembered.

I may just be a cock-eyed optimist, but I remember growing up in the cold war with a nuclear sword of Damocles hanging over all of us.  My father went through being drafted for an unpopular war and returning home to a country that didn't have much of a place for him.  My grandparents grew up in the great depression and my grandfathers went off to fight in the biggest global conflagration in human history.  By my view, things are better.  Much better.  Sure, there's room for improvement, and not everything is just how His Majesty Wargor I would have it, but I don't buy into how terrible some people (not saying you specifically) seem to think things are.

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SonOfBuckeye's picture

Crime spiked up in the 70's and 80's and the mass incarceration was (in part) a response to that 'bad behavior'.  Sure, it may have helped in bringing the crime rate down, but that doesn't argue for good behavior in the past, rather the opposite.

The violent crime rate today is about the same as it was in 1970, but the percentage of Americans in prison is something like 5x higher than it was then. This suggests to me that we've constrained the amount of social misbehavior we see around us by radically increasing the incarceration rate. You may disagree, but I'd be surprised if you do.

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Wargor's picture

Part of the problem is that we may be talking about different 'good ol days'.  I mention the rise in crime in the 70's and 80's and you are comparing 1970 to today.  You aren't wrong, but that's not exactly what I'm talking about.  I think most around here are looking at childhoods in the 70's and 80's (high crime) now as the good ol days.  Of course that changes with each generation.  The boomers will point to the 50's as a golden time, and it certainly was for certain demographics.  

Concerning the mass incarceration, there is definitely correlation between its rise and crime's fall back to 1970 levels, but causation is likely not so direct.  I'm absolutely not qualified to intelligently discuss all the factors involved and even just listing them off gets us into ground that 11W doesn't want us to get into, but I'll stand by my observation that something changed in violent crime after 1970 and after a spike period has gotten better.  If we are comparing today to the 1970's and 1980's and suggesting that things are worse, I'm not going to just nostalgically jump on board.

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stxbuck's picture

To be fair, you need to look at the stats for felonious assault, not just murder. Emergency medicine has improved greatly since the 1970s-the murder rate is definitely down by a large margin, but people are still trying to kill each-the docs are just doing a much better job of saving the victims. Intent counts-right.........................

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Wargor's picture

That's a good point.  I focused on murder since I was worried about differences in reporting standards.  I suspect (but don't have proof) that over the last 20-30 years we are reporting more violent crimes than we used to.  Now with the rise of easy video I suspect it is definitely going to be the case that more gets reported.  I imagine scenes like fisticuffs outside a bar where 20 years ago if the cops are involved their are a couple of bloodied people and a bunch of conflicting reports that could result in both parties being told to go home as both realize that they either agree to not press charges or both of them are going downtown.  Now, with video, one side is likely to have a stronger case and thus more likely to push for charges.  That's too much speculation on my part to make broad pronouncements on, but I'd be interested to learn more about it.

As a side note, period inflation is a serious problem today and you are definitely guilty of over-using them in this post.  Please keep the cost of periods down for all of us by not wasting them.  ;)

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SonOfBuckeye's picture

"After a steady decline through the 1990s, the annual number of homicides zigzagged before resuming a decline in 2007, falling from 16,929 that year to an estimated 14,722 in 2010, according to FBI crime data. At the same time, medical data and other surveys in the U.S. show a rising number of serious injuries from assaults with guns and knives. The estimated number of people wounded seriously enough by gunshots to require a hospital stay, rather than treatment and release, rose 47% to 30,759 in 2011 from 20,844 in 2001, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Electronic Injury Surveillance System-All Injury Program."

- WSJ 12/8/2012

I don't know enough to evaluate this, but thought it's worth adding because of stxbuck's comment about improvements in emergency medicine.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Your pic isn't showing up for me Wargor. What were you linking?

Whenever someone talks about the good old days I always get reminded of this movie which came out when I was little....

It was made in reaction to widespread national fears about the youth of 'today' and was loosely based on an article about teen violence in a suburb of San Francisco in 1973 (so about the same time the Brady's were having zany hijinks at Kings Island).

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Wargor's picture

Kent State.  And I can't see a lot of pics and links either, so I don't know what movie you are showing.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

 And I can't see a lot of pics and links either, so I don't know what movie you are showing.

Over The Edge 

Heck The Bad News Bears was released in '76 and it was a far more accurate representation of my childhood during the same era than the Brady Bunch.

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Wargor's picture

A bit before my time, but very interesting.  Thanks.

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OSU725's picture

This is the question I often ask myself, it is very possible that things like this are more often to happen today than 30 years ago. But I do think that with technology we are just so much more aware. As mentioned everyone has a phone to record craziness when it happens. We also have the means to know what is happening at almost every corner of the world in almost real time due to social media. Let’s face it, if this particular situation happened even ten year ago we would never know it occurred because it wouldn’t have been filmed and it occurred halfway across the country. 

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Wargor's picture

I always bear in mind some of the other things going on in the old days.  Take a look at the murder rate over time in this country.  All but one year of the 1970's had a higher murder total than 2017 despite a much lower population.  For those who want to go back further, lynching statistics change the view of the 1930's and earlier.  And for the supposed sweet-spot of 40's - 60's we didn't exactly have a society with much in the way of equality to boast about.

Really what we see is the effect of a vast expansion in the bandwidth 'news' has to travel over as well as the ubiquity of recording devices.  30 years ago this doesn't get recorded and maybe even not reported to law enforcement.  If it does, it runs in the local paper and maybe a bit wider, but that's it.  

I often tell the story of the summer of the shark attack.  One year the national news was obsessed with shark attacks.  Seemed they were happening all the time, all over the world.  Every one would make the national news.  It was a down-right epidemic.  Except it wasn't.  Stats on shark attacks showed that that year was actually lower than the year before.  Then abruptly one day reports of shark attacks in the national news stopped.  Something else had captured the national attention, and the airwaves had no room for non-exceptional shark attacks.  Some people remember the shark attack stories, but everyone remembers what stopped them...9/11

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

This may be the most sane and fact-based helpful information I’ve read in the comments. Gracias!

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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OSU56's picture

I always bear in mind some of the other things going on in the old days.  Take a look at the murder rate over time in this country.  All but one year of the 1970's had a higher murder total than 2017 despite a much lower population.  For those who want to go back further, lynching statistics change the view of the 1930's and earlier.  And for the supposed sweet-spot of 40's - 60's we didn't exactly have a society with much in the way of equality to boast about.

Really what we see is the effect of a vast expansion in the bandwidth 'news' has to travel over as well as the ubiquity of recording devices.  30 years ago this doesn't get recorded and maybe even not reported to law enforcement.  If it does, it runs in the local paper and maybe a bit wider, but that's it.  

I often tell the story of the summer of the shark attack.  One year the national news was obsessed with shark attacks.  Seemed they were happening all the time, all over the world.  Every one would make the national news.  It was a down-right epidemic.  Except it wasn't.  Stats on shark attacks showed that that year was actually lower than the year before.  Then abruptly one day reports of shark attacks in the national news stopped.  Something else had captured the national attention, and the airwaves had no room for non-exceptional shark attacks.  Some people remember the shark attack stories, but everyone remembers what stopped them...9/11

You hit that one on the nose- social media and the internet has allowed the news media an easier way to put it out there and then ride with it.

I have umpired when younger in the 70's and coached my son's Travel Baseball Team thru high school up to about 10 years ago. They were state champions in back to back years as 10 and 11 year olds. Kids overall were great, parents were mainly great as well, but we had a few run ins and one major one which I won't get into. Overall I enjoyed being with my son and all the players we were able to coach and watch play in many different capacities all of those years.

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Kasino Royale's picture

Wargor, I might need to keep you on some kind of speed dial as my outside voice of reason. 

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Wargor's picture

I'm not cheap, given how reason is in short supply these days.

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Frimmel's picture

I umped little league in the late 80's while in high school. Got an angry earful on more than one occasion. Had everyone on both sides yelling at me over a ball that came down "just" fair because all I did was indicate fair. Even the smart "nice" coach who knew I was right in the end had lost it. No one came after me but I also always made a point to be on my way in a hurry. 

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Zimmy07's picture

I remember scouting a future opponent for my kid’s team & 2 guys in the stands near me got up in each other’s faces.  A bunch of us separated them.  Only to turn around to see their women beating the hell out of each other.  I stayed out of that because I just couldn’t process what the right thing to do would be in that situation.  People separated them also.

When that all got situated I turned to look back at the field to see 22 kids & the refs all standing up and just watching the adults act like fools.  I really felt for whoever’s kid was watching his split family act fools in front of all his teammates.  I heard from other parents that one of the kids playing sister had died while staying with the other parent & things had been ugly since then.

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analyticalguy's picture

Story from maybe 30 years ago:

LL coach blew up at a teenage umpire for a call that went against his own son, swearing and berating the kid ump. For years this coach and the ump's father, former friends, couldn't even be in the same room when a mutual friend tried to patch things up by getting them together, thing went reasonably well, until the erstwhile coach had to say "but it was a bad call." At least no one got punched.

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saintstephen11's picture

It is due to the ubiquity of social media and video recording.  The only difference I have seen between kids of the past and today is that today's kids are much more self absorbed and they lack manners and respect for others. Not individually but in general. There are still lots of good kids today so don't mistake what I am saying, but by and large they lack respect for others because they have been told their whole lives that they are special and that the world revolves around them.  Of course, that makes my generation the worst parents ever.  

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GoFor3's picture

As a father of two sons who play baseball I can completely understand the frustration with 13 year old umpires as can most parents but this is crazy. Be a man and set an example for those kids and your community. It’s a game. It means nothing in the game of life. We question the umps all the time but wear kid gloves because they are kids and they are unsure of the rules and themselves. I also think a little more sportsmanship between coaches would help. If it’s an obvious bad call maybe both coaches should talk to the umpire to get it right because the 13 year old ump in the outfield was looking at her nails when the tag was made. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

 I can completely understand the frustration with 13 year old umpires

What fucking frustration can you have?  They're 13 years old!  What?  You expected MLB quality umpiring?  If so, then you're just as bad as any other "little league parent". 

MY Y-Indian Guides Tribe chief was the former Indian star Al Rosen.  (His son and I went to elementary school together.)  In the mid 60's he wrote an op-ed piece in the paper about how to be a good parent.  He derisively referred to morons like what we are talking about here as "little league parents".  So, this is nothing new.  

But your post just pisses me off.  There is NO REASON, you as a parent, should ever feel anything except pride for your child.  As soon as you start feeling anything else, it becomes about YOU.  If that's the case....Stay the fuck home.  Let him play in peace.

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chibucks's picture

wow todd - your response seems a little harsh.

you do want the best for your kids, including having a game called fairly, so there in itself is the area for frustration.  do you go off on the kid?  no...  but you can still have that sense of frustration with the way things are called and missed calls.  

why do these organizations have these 13 year olds umpiring?  probably to save money?  

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

​wow todd - your response seems a little harsh.

Sometimes, harshness is deserved.  We are where we are with parents and youth sports because of this.  Speaking as a former High school official,  too many parents don't know how to act.  Hell, before I became an official, I DIDN'T know how to act.  But seeing it from all sides and in every different type of community harsh reactions to these people is the only hope of waking them the fuck up.

you do want the best for your kids, including having a game called fairly, so there in itself is the area for frustration.

Fairly?  Or Perfectly?  There's a difference.  But most people say one and mean the other.  There isn't a game official that does this for an avocation or a second job that doesn't call a game "fairly".  But if YOU are frustrated at an official---its automatically about you at that moment.

why do these organizations have these 13 year olds umpiring?  probably to save money?  

How much does is cost to have your kid play in a league with 13 year old umpires?  How much do those kids make?  $12.00 a game?  You hire real umpires thru the umpiring association and its now $30-35 per game.  And that price is going to skyrocket in the next couple of years because of the severe shortage in umpires.

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Wargor's picture

There is NO REASON, you as a parent, should ever feel anything except pride for your child.  As soon as you start feeling anything else, it becomes about YOU.  If that's the case....Stay the fuck home.  Let him play in peace.

This is a level of zen I just have not been able to maintain.  Even if we are only talking about at the ballpark I have at various times felt a variety of emotions other than pride for my children.  There have been times (not many) their sportsmanship wasn't up to the standards my wife and I expect and I have been embarrassed.  I've even gone so far as to address it with them after the game.  At times I have been worried and concerned for their safety.  We've had a few broken bones on the ball field and I'll freely admit that when my child was in the dirt in tears, pride wasn't the first emotion I felt.  Even on some that didn't result in trips to an urgent care I've had some worry, and some of that has spilled into anger at what I perceived to be reckless play on the part of another child.  I never said anything to the kid, coach, or ump, but in my heart of hearts, I had more than pride going on.  

Even stepping back from issues like these, I can't claim perfect equanimity.  Once a kid sat on my daughter to keep her from making it home on a past ball with the statement, "you're not going anywhere".  I'll admit to frustration with what I considered poor sportsmanship on his part, though again, I never said anything to anyone about it (beyond discussing it later with my daughter and sharing her frustration).  I've even been frustrated with umpires who have been in my view lazy.  I haven't discriminated by age in this nor in my not saying anything to them about it, but the feelings were there.  I don't expect perfect calls and I understand that not everyone takes officiating as seriously as I do, but I don't have much patience for officials that are lazy or worst of all don't put safety of the players first.  There is only one time I made a scene about it; when we had refs and coaches restarting a soccer game with distinctly audible rolling thunder going on.  Too many old-schoolers don't put safety first or respect the commitments they make when they get licensed as coaches or officials.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You're right Wargor.  Address privately AND CONSTRUCTIVELY any short comings your child has.  Coach 'em.  But while they are PLAYING?  Let them feel the freedom and joy of playing wIthout YOUR expectations of them or the umpires and coaches revealing themselves.  Anything else?  Then its not about them.

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Zimmy07's picture

I agree.  There are a lot of times when you feel less than prideful about your children.  They are human.

I remember standing in horror when my very young kids pointed at a man who was a Sikh at the grocery store & said “Dad!, There’s that Bad Man!” - my boys were almost 2 when 9/11 happened.

Oh, FFS!  He’s a Sikh, dammit!  It was a teaching experience.  Appearance should not be judged, for the most part.

My wife & I made them run extra after all their teammates had gone if we felt they dogged it in practice.  DO NOT HURT YOUR TEAM because you just aren’t feeling it today.  YOU GO ALL OUT!  It makes everyone better!

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GoFor3's picture

Wow dude. I just stated to act as adult. Being frustrated and being angry are different and I don’t get on my kids when it comes to sports. When your child pours their heart and soul into baseball and you see they have a love for the game and the kids make an awesome play at second to tag out a runner stealing and the home plate ump ask the field ump for the call and she says she didn’t see it and it was the 3rd or 4th time it happened in the game because she was looking at her fingernails I think anyone would get frustrated. Nobody said anything but we were all thinking it. Or an umpire calling a strike zone from the shins to the waist an anything over is a ball. 1st and 2nd place teams beat first game in the tourney on walks in their first games. That can be frustrating. Nobody said a word to the kid but we all felt it. 

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cdub4's picture

Response was over the top. I understand the general premise, but it was harsh and missed the boat a little IMO.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Who do you think you are to decide rather or not a frustrated parent can attend his or her childs baseball game. It's completely normal, even human to become frustrated with horrible calls by anyone, even your own spouse if they are officiating. DOING something about it by screaming at the umpire is another matter completely. 

We've all had to explain to our children that sometimes officials make bad calls, that it's part of the game. We've shared their OWN frustrations over a called third strike that bounced off the plate or went over the catchers head to the backstop. 

And MOST officials know when they blow a call or if their strike zone is off, a slight reminder simple  helps them become better blue.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

And MOST officials know when they blow a call or if their strike zone is off, a slight reminder simple  helps them become better blue.

WTFAY to "remind them".  As a parent, you have NO authority of the game officials.  So all you add is noise.  If an official "blew a call, he knows he did.  You addinf to it does nothing except enflame the situation.

I stand by my statement though.  If YOU are frustrated by the call, then its about YOU.  Youth sports should NEVER be about YOU.  They should only be about your kid.

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GoFor3's picture

I think you need to re-read my post. You obviously got angry and went on a tirade about things I never even said. I never mentioned getting onto my kids. You accused me of it in your post. I actually attended a parents meeting with our high school coach for my 10 year old who plays select basketball. The coach told us all that when interviewing pro players and college players about their days playing as children, what was the worst memories. The top answer was the car ride home. So I make it a point not to talk about negative things with my kids. My oldest was down on himself for a bad game the other day to the point he tears in his eyes. Broke my heart. All I could do was give him a hug and tell him that’s how baseball goes. Even the pros make mistakes. I stayed in my post that these are games and mean nothing. Even OSU and professional sports. Just games. I have noticed that as the quality of the ump goes up, the grumbling from parents stop. Zero arguments and grumbling at my sons high school games. It seem to all stem from 13 year old umps who do not pay attention to the game or don’t know the rules. That’s why I said the coaches should work together. Instead of trying to win at any cost. Speak up as an opposing coach if you seen the call. The coaches know the rules better than the umps do. Help them out. Show some SPORTSMANSHIP. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You apparently need reading comprehension yourself.  I never said one word about anyone, including you, getting into their kids.  (Guilty conscience maybe?)

im only talking about getting after umpires and refs.  That’s all I’m talking about.

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GoFor3's picture

You’re whole last paragraph. My reading and comprehension is just fine but you can stand on your soapbox and preach if you want. Nothing I said was out of line or endorsing bad behavior at games. Being frustrated because your kids are frustrated doesn’t make it about me. I just choose to be positive and move on. 

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allinosu's picture

Don't waste your time GoFor3. The dude (once again) went way way overboard. Most understand your meaning.

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BuckAlum09's picture

Not new by any stretch. I coached a pretty competitive travel baseball team from their 10U up through 12U seasons. 2012-2015. The kids were awesome, for the most part. The least favorite kids mostly came from the least favorite parents.

But ultimately the parents were the reason I stepped away from the team. On my exit speech I said to them "if I could do it all over again, I would go find 12 orphans and hope that they were all exactly like your sons."

Most of the parents laughed, the ones who didn't probably didn't get it... that I was referring to them.

"...and when we win the game, we'll buy a keg of booze. And we'll drink to old Ohio till we wobble in our shoes."

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Right. Instead we fight. SMDH.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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jrunyan's picture

Every time I think we've reached rock-bottom with youth sports, someone comes along with a jackhammer to take us further down. This is pathetic

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BigTom's picture

Used to be they didnt let black kids or girls play.   My dad used to tear his knee up back in the 50s as a youth and you just wrapped it up tighter each time so it wouldn’t “wobble”.  Hydrating was a sign of weakness....

i just think theres more information available and more free time to analyze it.  So no, rock bottom to me was a long time ago.

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Lifetime45's picture

1989 at a jr high football game, my neighbor’s dad showed up hammered, tried to fight the ref, the AD and the cops were called.

this shit has been going on since the first time assholes started having kids. Not a new phenomenon. 

High School Harry’s and Uncle Rico’s

Still wear their class rings and lettermen coats; now living through their children.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

The new low will be reached when some umpire gets killed over a perceived wrong call. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Well about 5 or so years ago, a soccer referee in Utah was killed by a player who had received a yellow card during a rec league game.  we talked about it at a basketball referee association meeting.

https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/us/utah-soccer-death/index.html

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I was thinking more of an adult killing a kid umpire to be the new low, although your article exposes a new low. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Well, in this case, this was a kid killing an adult.  Pretty shocking in my book.

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I read to many times where a 17 year kills an adult over something stupid so it's not as shocking as it should be. When an adult kills a 13 year old over a bad call, that will be a new low. 

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RedBeard's picture

Couldn’t pay me enough to ref/ump any game. As a society we’ve lost our compass 

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Sanitarian2's picture

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/the-rise-of-the-snowplow-sp...

Probably should go on the Dwayne Haskins dad thread from a month ago but I didn't feel like spending an hour tracking it down and it goes here as well. Helicopter parents have morphed into snowplow parents. Mr. Haskins is mentioned over and over in the article.

Sani

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