Technically speaking, there are 12 "potential upsets." The way it looks now (preseason) scUM will be favored at home so that will be an upset when OSU wins.
The other categories are:
Possible Upsets: I think Nebraska is clearly in this category. Wisconsin has serious QB problems so probably not.
Likely Upsets: Don't see any.
Wisconsin has Graham Mertz now (highly touted recruit on the level of Fields and Lawrence coming out of HS) and Hornibrook is gone so I wouldn't say they have QB "problems" just questions about whether or not Mertz will be as good as advertised. If he is they will be a dangerous team and favored in the West no question.
Eh I wouldn't go so far as put Mertz in the same category as Lawrence and Fields, both of whom were top guys at their position, #1 and 2 overall in their class, and widely considered two of the best QBs ever to come out of high school in the ratings era.
Mertz is a huge talent no doubt and is very likely to make a big difference for Bucky. And I agree they dont have QB problems. Mertz likely is gonna be trouble for the Buckeyes in the next few years.
But at least to this point he hasn't been on the level of Lawrence and Fields far as hype goes.
Northwestern is the biggest trap game to me. It's the traditional sandwich game between two bigger games. Also NW is a pretty solid squad and it's on the road. Perfect formula for an upset. I hear you on Nebraska, but I feel like a lot people are circling that one. So I'm not as worried about it. I also think Indiana could be an under the radar upset pick. For the most part, I feel like they always play the Bucks tough.
I’m much more worried about a letdown game against Northwestern than I am against Nebraska. The latter may be the first test of the season and could possibly be the site for Gameday. The guys won’t have a problem getting up for that. Northwestern, meanwhile, is on a long grass field that OSU traditionally doesn’t perform too well on, and it’s on paper the least difficult crossover game (and a team that will want revenge from the B1G Championship).
This is definitely where I parked my car.
Normally I would say NW is for the reasons you said. Not to mention its a weird Friday night game. If you look closer at the schedule though we have a bye week right before that game so it makes playing on a Friday night not so bad. We should be ready for this one.
Not to mention they have Hunter Johnson now as their qb who was a big-time recruit that transferred from Clemson.
A lot of people circled Purdue last year (myself included) and lo and behold look what happened. Granted we haven't lost to NW since 2004 but I'm still very wary of playing them at Ryan Field during a difficult stretch of the season.
Iowa agrees with this...
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Army will beat Mythigan. After it happens I want your apologies.
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
I'll give you props, but will never apologize for a TTUN loss! ;)
You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!
Army will beat Mythigan.
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
I have to admit that game worries me. Army took Oklahoma to the brink last year in Norman. I'm not sure if they return everybody from last year, but Michigan will be in a 4 quarter fight for sure.
Dude Army returns most of their roster.. Good luck with their triple option. Glad the Bucks don't have them this year.
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Ya and it would be typical Michigan to lose that game.
Army was very dangerous last year and will be extremely dangerous this year. UM is in deep $hit in my opinion.
If that happens it will be the beginning of the end for Harbaugh just like Appalachian State was the beginning of the end for Lloyd Carr.
Too many people are predicting Nebraska with the upset, so naturally it wont happen. It will probably be Northwestern, or another team that has a kid with cancer to showcase.
Dude, that is an awful thing to type.
I don't agree with the post above whatsoever but I will say this. Tyler Trent's story was over-exploited by Tom Rinaldi and his team during that game just to create a juicy storyline for Purdue and their motivation to take down the big bad wolf (OSU). That goes to show you how shameless and despicable the people who work for ESPN are.
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
That’s a funny joke. Seriously it is. I find it sad that people will regularly tout “the good old days” with Carlin and Pryor and then get triggered with a good joke like this one.
insert “lighten up Francis” gif here.
Stand up comedy has been my youtube go-to for the last couple weeks - Carlin is ruuuuthless. Wonder how that guy would fare nowadays
Mastro - you’re not allowed to have that opinion here, DVs for you.
Don Rickles was the funniest man alive and wouldn't even have a career today.
Carlin is ruuuuthless. Wonder how that guy would fare nowadays
Carlin's genius was in finding the absurdity in the ordinary. He didn't rely on shock value, even in the 7 words iy wasn't the words but how absurd it was to focus on them. Shock only works so long before it gets boring; committing on the human condition in a funny way becomes a career.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Sam Kinnison would A-not be allowed to be booked on anything due to "woke" PC outrage, and B-more importantly, would not be given the opportunity to develop as performers and observers over the course of an extended career. Richard Pryor did his best stuff right around the age of 40-1980 +/- 4 years, George Carlin was great up until the day he died last 70.
The noted racists Chris Rock and Jerry Seinfeld have both commented that they won't play colleges anymore, due to the negative effect that the environment has on comedy/free expression/observational truth telling.
That’s a funny joke.
I’m not offended but find it less than tasteful...and not really funny.
Does that make me triggered or a snowflake?
People in general need to be less offended. That doesn’t mean you have to like everything, but this outrage, from MODs no less, is disheartening.
Some of the best jokes we laugh at simultaneously make us feel dirty for laughing. But when non-comedian does it it’s suddenly offensive. Give me a break.
People in general need to be less offended. That doesn’t mean you have to like everything, but this outrage, from MODs no less, is disheartening.
It’s obvious that we don’t completely share the same sense of humor that you do. And I think it’s funny that you get triggered when some moderator on an indy website tells you that they don’t think something is as funny as you do.
I threw the comment a downvote because I thought it was tasteless. Does that make me offended? Was I ‘triggered’ in your view? Or am I allowed to downvote what I think is a shitty comment? It wasn’t edited or deleted, which we could have done.
I just don’t get your lack of understanding on why someone else might not consider this funny (regardless of whom made the joke). Instead of recognizing that maybe it’s not so funny or too off color here you just call people too sensitive, throw out ‘triggered’, and then tie this into some larger problem with society where the owner of the site doesn’t want ‘Harry Ball S.H.I.T.’ as a title scrolling through the site? Give me a fucking break.
Personally, your attitude is more disappointing than the comment for me. Call me sensitive snowflake if you want. IDGAF.
I never said anyone had to find it funny, in fact, I said the opposite. Read the posts again, Poppy.
And yeah, this is snowflake behavior out of you guys. Premium members can’t handle a S.H.I.T. title that only they can see? Get outta here.
Its JFPs site so he can run it any way he likes. But it’s sad to see the changes in this place the last year or so. The PL isn’t nearly the place it used to be, and this over-modding has become habitual.
All that said, I have no ill will toward you, KB, Hove or anyone else here, I simply take exception to the insinuation that the poster was somehow a terrible human for making a relevant joke.
The PL isn’t nearly the place it used to be, and this over-modding has become habitual.
This isn’t over-modding...you’re conflating your arguments, which is part of the problem. No comment here was modified, deleted, jailed, or reported to the site. It just so happened that moderators were the ones that replied.
...I simply take exception to the insinuation that the poster was somehow a terrible human for making a relevant joke.
Nobody said the person was a terrible human being. People downvoted what they thought was a shitty comment and then a few people said that maybe this isn’t the place for the joke. That shit happens all of the time on 11W.
The snowflake or triggered comments are lame, though. They are such lazy insults and they can be used on anyone with which you disagree.
And yeah, this is snowflake behavior out of you guys. Premium members can’t handle a S.H.I.T. title that only they can see? Get outta here.
Late to the debate here, SCB, but just for the record, that concern with the S.H.I.T. titles didn't originate with us Mods, but with the site owner.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Yes, that is how I understand the case. This was not the mods, but JFP's response to a few new premium members. Didn't mean to imply that, was simply lumping that into what I view as recent changes stifling the enjoyment that was these boards.
Should people be criticized/scorned/cyber mobbed simply for having a different style of humor-or simply for having one? I agree people should be smart enough to consider the context when saying something-ie-in the immediate presence of victims or whatever, and pure unadulterated bigotry is not humor, but oversensitivity does stifle free expression and honest viewpoints-which is the heart of comedy/humor-and has been throughout human history. I have family who lived through the Holodomor, but I think this t-shirt is funny as hell-and true.
If you demand that some be 'done' about your outrage-censorship, cyber mobbing, sarcasm free safe spaces, whatever-yes, that would make you a triggered snowflake. If you don't demand anything be done, that just we don't have the same sense of humor-no harm, no foul. Some people prefer Taylor Swift or Mumford & Sons, some people prefer Danzig and Motorhead-to each their own-but don't demand censorship b/c you are outraged.
If you demand that some be 'done' about your outrage-censorship, cyber mobbing, sarcasm free safe spaces, whatever-yes, that would make you a triggered snowflake.
This is hilarious. Nobody was censored. No moderator deleted or edited a comment. There was no cyber mobbing. KBonay and Hove said that they thought a joke was in poor taste. I agreed with them after they were criticized for having an opinion on the matter, and we’re told that we shouldn’t think that it was in poor taste, or to simply lighten up, Francis. WTF? Maybe kids with cancer or just cancer hits a little closer to home to others than to you. So be it. Apparently, at least 10 commenters thought it was in poor taste. Not a big deal. A comment gets grayed out and you move on. Nobody demanded anything here. You can still think it’s funny while others don’t. Just don’t be a triggered snowflake when someone else says that they don’t think it’s a funny joke.
That’s been my point, here.
MODs by default are super members, simply they are above the vast majority of users. That’s fine, they should be. They have a tough and thankless job, especially in genpop and especially on game days.
As such when two comment that a post is “awful” (implying the poster is way out of bounds) and drops the F bomb that influences the way the rest of the board sees the post. This is indirect modding, (what I called overmodding earlier). They set the stage. They blew it up with unnecessary attention. Further they implied the poster was outside cultural norms, and again a mod dropped an F bomb? And I get called out for overreacting? Laughable. Don’t like the observation, just keep scrolling. Alas, they felt it was their duty to shame the poster publicly.
It has been preached over and over that HS are a way the community can shape dialogue on these boards, and I agree with that. Further it has been said from on high that these are not debate stickers - I upvote if I agree with you and I downvoted if I disagree. Rather these are incentives to post thoughtful items. Unfortunately the comment policy says downvotes are to be used to curb “dumb” comments. Is that really the standard? If the case then yes I see why the DVs rained down. But this standard should lead to exponential increase in DVs. Most of the comments in this sub thread were dumb. A good number of comments on this site are “dumb” to someone. Is this really how DVs should work?
Its amazing that grown adults can’t get over a comment involving cancer, not ABOUT cancer, but the intersection of two losses, away games, night games, and kids with an awful disease. Instead, the MODs circled the wagons to defend their superior moral standing.
You are correct, nothing was censored (though MODs directly influenced the comment being grayed out). But the subsequent comments from the MODs of the site clearly indicated this type of comment is unacceptable. Yes, it is part of a wider cultural problem stifling speech, but that’s another topic. It’s sad to see.
As such when two comment that a post is “awful” (implying the poster is way out of bounds) and drops the F bomb that influences the way the rest of the board sees the post.
Well, it’s within their right to call a comment dumb. But you seem not to like it simply because it was by moderators. And you’re upset that the word fuck was used? GMAFB. It is hilarious that someone is accusing others of being sensitive when one is complaining about a curse word on 11W.
This is indirect modding, (what I called overmodding earlier).
Other commenters reply to comments as well and often call the comment into question. Are they also indirectly modding? If so, then I guess we were overmodding. But that’s a pretty lame complaint, as it happens many times every day on the site and nobody raises a big stink about it, or attempts to tie it into some cultural issue about stifling free speech. Sometimes people just say dumb things and you move along. Occasionally you take some downvotes. Big deal.
Further they implied the poster was outside cultural norms...
Why do you get to dictate their reaction?
Instead, the MODs circled the wagons to defend their superior moral standing.
Two of the 11 moderators responded to the post, and I downvoted the original joke and then responded to your reactions. I didn’t even respond to the original comment as I thought that it was already covered. This isn’t some MOD conspiracy. I do agree with Hove and KBonay, but maybe it’s because I’m trying to beat fucking cancer at the moment. But you imply that I’m overreacting because as I didn’t just scroll on by the original joke, that I downvoted it. I think that you’re overreaching. You started complaining about two comments and some downvotes for what people thought was a dumb comment. #LightenUpFrancis indeed.
But the subsequent comments from the MODs of the site clearly indicated this type of comment is unacceptable.
If the comment was unacceptable, then it would have been deleted. Stating that a comment is dumb is not some MOD signal for people to come gang up on someone. In fact, MODs typically catch downvotes anytime we speak up. Go though this thread and see whether people are blindly following the lead of the moderators that have commented.
I’m trying to beat fucking cancer at the moment
I honestly wonder if those arguing with you even realize this. Arguing whether or not joking about kids with cancer is in poor taste with somebody who is literally battling cancer is about as dense as it gets, so I assume they are just unaware. Keep fighting the good fight Poppy, and keep kicking cancer's ass. We're all pulling for you.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
I find it sad that people will regularly tout “the good old days” with Carlin and Pryor and then get triggered with a good joke like this one
1. It was not a 'good' joke. It was in poor taste. And there really is nothing funny about it.
2. I am not easily offended, nor was I by his comment. Pointing out an awful take is hardly being 'triggered'.
You're better than that SCB. You should know the difference.
Why is it in poor taste? It’s the truth. Cmon KB, everyone is taking the fun out of these forums lately, from JFPs title shit a couple weeks ago to a joke here.
If a comedian said something like this everyone would be laughing. But bc 10 people see it on an indie fan forum it’s suddenly terrible human behavior.
It might have something to do with this being a Buckeye football forum, and not a comedy forum.
Comedians use shocking and offensive jokes as a humor tactic. People choose to watch because they want to laugh. Within that venue, things that push the line probably are ok. But most people come here expecting to read about buckeye sports, and not jokes about pediatric cancer. That is probably why some are getting "triggered." Dont act too surprised
The last two buckeye losses were specifically 1. On the road, 2. afternoon/night games, and 3. Featured kids in the hospitable/battling cancer. His comment was a little observational humor literally about the Buckeyes. It absolutely had to go here.
Oh I get it. That's not the issue. Everyone here gets how it relates to tOSU football and their recent losses. If you cant see why people arent happy with the comment then I dont think it's worth trying to explain it.
And I'm not sure why you think it "absolutely had to go here". It absolutely did not.
So you’re saying no person in their right mind should type that, is that it? I’m glad the world isn’t full of people like that, would be a dull place.
Listen I get that it’s toes the line, but in the aftermath of that Purdue game I’m positive there was a good segment of fans who thought this joke. Verbalizing it back then is bad form, 9 months later talking potential upsets is an acceptable place to insert a tiny joke. Wouldn’t be a big deal if the DV birds didn’t start flying and two (usually reasonable) MODs didn’t comment.
Nope didnt say that at all. All I said was this isn't the venue for that joke to be received positively, and that you nor anybody else should be surprised when its not.
Wouldn’t be a big deal if the DV birds didn’t start flying...
So, why isn’t that a prime example of what to downvote if I think it’s tasteless. I’m not downvoting for the opinion (unless the opinion is that it’s funny). I think that’s absolutely what the DV is for. Why does that make everyone too sensitive?
...and two (usually reasonable) MODs didn’t comment.
Those are two reasonable MODs. Why should they avoid commenting? They thought it was a shitty joke and said so. Why is that a problem for you?
I don’t think that this is a funny to as many people as you think. I think it was in poor taste here.
The fact that anyone down votes anything is amazing to me. I upvote if something is a good post and move on if I am neutral or disagree.
I will NEVER down vote anything EVER. I find it hilarious that anyone else does. My wife and I laugh all the time at the Internet warriors who take the Internet seriously ... like it has anything to do with real life.
His comment was a little observational humor
With the accent on little. It's easy to get a few nervous laughs with a shock joke, but good comedy is hard. Shock jokes are easy, anyone can do it. Crafting a joke that is funny and makes people think a second takes real work, practice and refinement. Please don't equate good comedy with laziness.
Very true. Shock can be an element of humor but generally does not constitute good humor by itself.
PG <3 PG
I didn't even see it as shock or as humor per se, but rather just an observation that generally turns out to be true.
Thank you SS11, that's the way I interpreted it. You read it and go, "oh yeah, both those telecasts were heavy on sentiment". I thought this as the team was getting destroyed by Purdue last year, but as an observation, no ill will toward the kid, the universities, or the TV channels. The similarities between the two games are striking. So, in Seinfeldian observation, the guy above made a little comment that should resonate with each and every Buckeye fan, as a simple, "oh yeah, that did happen".
Whatever, I'm sorry to have sidetracked the OPs thread so much with this. The more I look at the schedule, the more worried I become. The thing about it is the two idle weeks, those just might keep us from giving up the famed trap game.
And the “you’re better than that argument” is so weak. You could literally say that to whomever you’re opposite in a debate, but it doesn’t actually prove anything.
KB, you’re better than that.
And the “you’re too sensitive” and “triggered” arguments are so weak. You could literally say that to whomever you’re opposite in a debate, but it doesn’t actually prove anything.
There, I made a few edits to what you wrote above. I think it fits.
You’re better than that Poppy.
Edit: at least you admitted to editing it. Lesser mods would edit/jail (PL) members and then suddenly none of the MODs know who did it or how it happened. Funny how that’s come up a bunch in the last 6 months.
Don’t be so triggered over a few downvotes.
I’m not surprised the MODs have no sense of humor. ;-)
Lesser mods would edit/jail (PL) members and then suddenly none of the MODs know who did it or how it happened. Funny how that’s come up a bunch in the last 6 months.
Yep, that shit happened. And all that shit has stopped. The site implemented new dialogue boxes for jailing which cleaned up those accidental jailings, which I admit looked bad. But it would happen just during scrolling through a page, as we have jailing and edit buttons next to each other below a comment. The dialogue box that popped up was less than clear, and if you just dismiss the box and the user was in jail. But that has not happened for months after we diagnosed the problem. It does seem suspicious as to whom was jailed, but they are also the people that comment the most and are likely to have their comment in the right place.
Listen, we were embarrassed but that shit, JFP was embarrassed by that shit and it didn’t matter who was jailed, it shouldn’t have happened and every MOD acknowledges that fact.
And anyone that reached out when they realized they were jailed for seemingly no reason was given a swift release.
Now I am laughing, because this is funny. I made a simple comment. I didn't admonish the poster. I didn't edit or MOD it. Just said it was awful. My opinion, which I am allowed. Take it for what it's worth. Let's not turn it into a bigger issue of censorship because that is not what happened.
Why couldn’t you take his comment for what it was worth and simply pass on by his comment?
Because I thought it was a bad take. But that's just me. The real issue is how far you have taken this. No one circled any wagons. No one over-modded. You are reaching beyond belief here. People make borderline comments. I simply said it was an awful thing to type. I did not admonish him. I didn't call him a bad person or ask anyone to gang up on him. I made a simple comment. You, however, decided to grandstand on this. Listen, I don't know what your problem is with me or any other Mod (since that seems to be the target of your rant) but a simple email to me to speak offline is always an option. I've known too many people that have passed from cancer, that are currently going through treatment for cancer or are in remission. So, to me, it's not a topic I find funny. Or joke worthy. But I didn't lay that all out in my post. I just said it was an awful thing to type. I get the comparison he was trying to make. Just don't think it was funny. And again, I was not offended. Or 'triggered'. Let's just be clear on that.
That being said, why couldn't you just take my comment for what it was worth and pass on by? You decided to be the 3rd man in.
Because it’s not a terrible thing to type and Hove dropped the F bomb, both of which were overreactions.
I overreacted (re: specifically employed the word "fuck") to a comment regarding cancer?
Happy to disappoint, because it's not the first time I've done that.
Because it’s not a terrible thing to type and Hove dropped the F bomb, both of which were overreactions
The problem here is that you are dictating how others should feel about a something. You have clearly stated that Hove and KBonay overreacted by replying in the way that they did to a comment which they thought wasn’t cool. That’s an arrogant stance.
I thought it was an appropriate reaction, and obviously other people did as well.
Have you ever known a kid that's had cancer? Ever been to the pediatric oncology wing/floor of a hospital? Ever had one of your own child's occasional playmates succumb after a long fight with it, at age 4?
"Kid with cancer" when used in a flippant way is a bad comment. Why pick this hill to defend? If you have an axe to grind with any of us, by all means, reach out via the contact button. Don't pick a comment that got downvoted into oblivion and turn that into a bigger deal than it actually is.
I usually find that folks who complain about others being "snowflakes" or "easily triggered" are seeing their own reflection...
A bunch of people predicted the Purdue debacle last year.
We may have been preparing for that one to be a loss, but certainly few if any thought it would be by 29
That's a Buckeye touchdown!
I agree, my coworkers and I were saying it the day or two before the game. Purdue always seems to play us very well in their stadium.
I'll admit it, at halftime of the Purdue game, I was like "That cancer kid has a voodoo doll !!!!!!!!!!!"
People are too uptight about things nowadays-when my grandma was dying from liver cancer-which likely metastasized from her lungs-liver cancer never 1st develops in the liver-someone scolded her about lighting up a smoke-she was a lifelong smoker-and she was like 'What's the worst thing that can happen-it might kill me!?!?"
/s (in case anyone doubted this was sarcasm)
Didn't expect this kind of reaction. Oh well people don't like that it was written out. I'd bet that if someone said it out loud with a group of friends 90% of the people who dont like it on here would laugh.
I wouldn't take that bet...but that's me, knowing my friends and the experience I've had in dealing with cancer.
I'm carrying on an argument that sidetracked the original intent of the post, and for that I apologize.
People are different, I accept that. There are those that can laugh at some things others would not.
To each their own, moving on...and damn you again, offseason.
I lost both parents and a favorite aunt to cancer. My sister has stage 4 lung after having both breasts removed from a previous bout. My brother has fought cancer and won (so far) and I have had three separate cancer scares over the past 15 years. I know how I am going to die as everyone in my family dies from cancer. I still find it funny. You need to find joy in life and stop taking shit so seriously. In a free society there should be nothing off limits to discuss. The reason that there are things that are off limits in our society is that too many people have a moral stick shoved up their ass (and take themselves too seriously).
I respect your experiences and perspective, sincerely.
Not my place to tell someone how they should think or feel....but it's a mistake to expect the same of others, and that's my stance.
agree wholeheartedly. Just trying to give people a different perspective. It is because people take shit too seriously is why we have the social issues we have today. On a message board, there really is no harm to getting down votes (who gives a shit really); but I see younger people get so wound around an axle over the dumbest shit and I wonder what that level of uptightness and a bland humorless life leads to. I wouldn't want to live like that, but I am a strong proponent of freedom so to each their own.
Story teller makes no choice
Soon you will not hear his voice
His job is to shed light
Not to master
Adding on, and this is all I’ll say about all of this.
Since the end is never told
We pay the teller off in gold
In hopes he will come back
But he cannot be bought or sold
Inspiration move me brightly
Light the song with sense and color
Hold away despair
More than this I will not ask
Faced with mysteries dark and vast
Statements just seem vain at last
Some rise, some fall, some climb
To get to Terrapin
You need to find joy in life and stop taking shit so seriously. In a free society there should be nothing off limits to discuss. The reason that there are things that are off limits in our society is that too many people have a moral stick shoved up their ass (and take themselves too seriously).
It’s not off limits to make a joke about cancer. It is pure arrogance to have the opportunity to make a joke but expect everyone else to either like the joke, or not respond if they don’t like it. How can you take yourself so seriously that you get to decide how or why others are offended or respond to something when you got to decide how and what you wanted to say?
Yeah...as usual, Hove is respectful with his response. I would say that telling people that they have a moral stick shoved up their ass because they disagree with you is an asshole comment.
We get it-uptight/neurotic/moraliastic/non-sarcastic people get defensive when they are pointed out as being uptight/neurotic/moralistic/non-sarcastic. Sometimes people need to own their own psychological profile and roll with it. That's what a good deal of conflict in this country is about-people getting annoyed at other people's personalities. It's like in The Big Lebowski when The Dude tells Walter "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole". Own your personality/psychological perspective.
I am fine with what Hove said and I respect it completely. go back and check the sequence of events. His reply to me was after my moral stick comment (not before as you implied). Also that comment was clearly a comment on society at large and not on Hove (or anyone else) in particular. I am not trying to legislate by telling people to lighten up but rather to enlighten them. People are free to do what they want. Inner peace is a beautiful thing, but you can't have that and be a SJW too. The wisdom has been imparted. You chose whether to accept it or not.
It's all good, SS.
I'm man enough to say I've learned from this discussion, and can move forward.
I'd bet that if someone said it out loud with a group of friends 90% of the people who dont like it on here would laugh.
Mhennin2, I contributed a downvote for your comment. I didn’t take offense to the joke, just thought it wasn’t funny and wasn’t worth attempting on here. I also am not sure if you’d make the same comment around me in real life. But I’m also trying to beat a shitty, shitty aggressive form of leukemia, and have a few other friends on 11W that are currently undergoing treatment, are married to people that are newly into remission, and a couple of years ago had a neighbor (and friend of my children) that died of leukemia at age 8. I just didn’t find it appropriate. I also watched the Purdue game last Oct. 20 in my hospital room two days after diagnosis, while I was in a complete leukemia-fueled stupor (white blood cells were so high that I had horrible fevers and was somewhat delirious). I had a strong connection to that game...and it was emotional time with my family there with me watching at the hospital, which hit a little harder due to some little kid with cancer. And after having seen a kid suffer through leukemia and die at a young age after relapsing, it’s just not funny for me.
I want to be clear that I’m not upset with you, or think that you’re a bad person for the joke. I just didn’t think it fit here. That’s my opinion and I voted what I felt was appropriate and moved on from your comment.
I truly dont care about downvotes, I just wasn't expecting the reactions. I thought it was pretty clearly made in jest and not a jab at the seriousness of cancer itself. Obviously your connection to the game is different than most, but that still doesn't negate the intention of the post. I would still make that same joke in real life because it's still a joke and if you can't find humor in crappy parts of life then they will drain on you more in my experience. If you dont like the forum it was posted in that's fine. I thought it was appropriate considering the circumstances of the 2 biggest upsets of the last 2 years and the thread is about upsets. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and the votes are meaningless, so I have no issue with you or anyone else voting the way they did.
If it's going to happen I THINK it happens early while working out some kinks (if there are some)so that means Cincy because I think Fickell will have his team prepared. They return lot of players off a successful season and have nothing to lose.
Northwestern or Nebraska, but I could also see Maryland sneaking up on us.
Everyone else (Cincinnati, FAU, most of our East slate) either has no chance, or is good enough that it's hard to call losing to them an "upset," especially since this is a year where a lot of prognosticators, rightly or (probably) wrongly see us taking a step back.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
Sure hope it's not Northwestern because I'm going to that game.
"Medicine is not a science" - Leo Spaceman
Northwestern on Friday creeps me out for no real reason than unpleasant memories of travelling to Evanston and watching us get beat years ago.
UC and @ Nebraska might stress us out for awhile, but I think we'll win.
Keep an eye on Army against TSUN in W2..that one could get very real very fast. Army is going to be a tough out for anyone next year, 11-2 last season and took Oklahoma to the brink. The OL and most of the rest of the team is back. TSUN will be breaking in a lot of new DL and LBers, plus they don't have a running game at this point. If Army can avoid turnovers they are going to push the Wolverines..and I think everyone that doesn't have to play Army next season is glad for it.
Bama has a lot of pressure now that hey are in chase mode for the top spot (behind Clemson's current mojo) and I think they will play tight and spit the bit along the way.@ South Carolina, LSU, @ TAMU...Auburn...I think Bama is loaded but won't win out.
I think PSU mightg lose one early they shouldn't...@ Maryland or Iowa at home. They are wound tight in HV..and I think they cork a game they coulda, shoulda...and then we'll have to watch and see if the wheels come off all together or they can rally against TSUN and MSU. Lots of coaching changes and roster turmoil..could make the early games tougher than need be.
And on fourth and one... would you believe?
I think PSU loses to Pitt. Add in a potential stumble against Iowa, potential losses to MSU, Michigan, and Ohio State, and you've got a recipe for a clunker of a season.
Hey, they have a down year, but it’s Penn State so they’ll get some recruits in and rebound...oh wait lol
I think they would say last year fit that description...Q4 collapse at home against Haskins, then another against MSU, bet they didn't think they were going to lose that one. And then the bowl loss to Kentucky.
Last year was still a 9-win season, which PSU fans from 2014 would have taken in a heartbeat. It's telling how much their expectations have risen that a 9 win season is considered an embarrassing down year for them, much like a 10 win season would be for us.
I remember an interview with Nick Saban after Richt got fired by Georgia at the end of a 9-3 season and Saban remarked how when he was younger consistent 9-win seasons would have been celebrated by almost any program. Now 9 wins is cool if you're Indiana or Kentucky but crap if you have any ambitions.
Looking at the schedule, the one that concerns me is Sparty at home being a letdown after a potential big win on the road at night in Lincoln. Plus Sparty seems to play us tougher at the Shoe than in EL.
Huh? Last time Sparty was in Columbus it was 48-3. The last 2 games in East Lansing have been slugfests
Sparty seems to play us tougher at the Shoe in shitty weather
*with a backup QB
There are three different types of people in the world.....those who can count, and those who cannot.
Northwestern and Nebraska.
Everyone predicted last year @ Purdue, everyone saw it coming (minus the coaching staff) and nobody should have been upset given WE KNEW that was the game on the schedule that would be a problem.
Mediocre teams on the road are our kryptonite.
Rutgers...has to be Rutgers
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He said mediocre... Not embarassing lol
Minus the overdose of road night games, I like our chances
Meyer had a knack for losing 1 game we had no business losing. So much so that I learned to sort of expect it.
I'm hoping with Day we wont see that trend continue.
Tressell had the same issues with losing games they shouldn't.
You're too stupid to have a good time. -Dalton
So did Cooper, unfortunately it was The game...
Even Saban and Dabo do, too. Everyone does. How many teams have gone into the playoffs undefeated? 5 in 5 years? Average of 1 per year. So, you know right away it can't be both Saban and Dabo.
Class of 2010.
When has Saban or Dabo lost to a .500 team by 30?
It's only considered a "knack" because it happened to occur in each of his final 2 seasons and both times it kept us out of the playoffs. Meyer absolutely did not make a habit of losing to teams we had no business losing to though.
2012: No losses
2013: Lost to 13-1 B1G/Rose Bowl Champ MSU
2014: You could throw VT in this category, but a freshman QB and 4 OL starting their 2nd career games was a real issue. While most expected OSU to win, I don't think anybody was that surprised that VT pulled off the upset (certainly nowhere near the level of Iowa/Purdue). The bigger shock was VTs tank the rest of the season.
2015: Lost to MSU, who won the B1G and made the playoffs
2016: Lost to B1G champ and near Rose Bowl champ PSU in Happy Valley at night on a fluke blocked FG
2017/2018: You all remember
So we'll call it 2.5 out of 7 years he had a loss that OSU "had no business losing." Hardly enough to call it a knack or something to be expected if you ask me.
2012 he was saved by the glory and miracles of Guiton.
2015 team had no business losing to anyone especially at home
So we have 2014, 2016, 2017, 2018 as absolutes. I throw in 2015 but I see your point in that loss not quite being the same as the other since MSU had a successful year. And he was razor edge close from losing in 2012.
I also remember his Florida squads dropping a game they shouldn't have a few times.
Strongly disagree with you saying he only lost 2.5 games he shouldn't have, but also admit this is at some level all a semantics issue.
No, 2016 is absolutely NOT an absolute. Penn State won the damn conference and was a borderline CFP team (they absolutely should have been in over Washington), to say we "had no business losing to them" especially on the road is objectively insane. I disagree that 2014 is an absolute due to the circumstances I listed but even if you count it, that's still only 3 out of 7 years that he lost to a team that finished the year ranked outside the top 10. You can't in good faith argue that losing to a top 10 team is "a game we had no business losing." That's not a "knack" by any stretch of the word.
Like I said, at this point its a semantic issue. You're defining the loss by final ranking of the team we lost to. I'm not looking at things by that lens alone. 2015 Meyer himself admits that's one of the worst losses he had in a recent interview. So there's more to it (IMO) than rankings. I'd safely argue that the 2018 Clemson squad has no business losing to Texas, Florida or LSU, all of which finished inside the top 10. Again, my opinion, but ranking isn't a big factor to me when I look at things like this.
I'm also taking into consideration his tenure at UF. I lived in Florida for a few years and many UF fans told me Meyer had a penchant for losing games he shouldn't while there. Maybe that's not true by all perspectives but it was a common belief by their fans.
Anyways, not sure if you felt like I was attacking Urbs or if you just like arguing online. But I'm fine with you disagreeing with me. Doesnt change my stance that Urban had a strong tendency to lose games we shouldn't, and I recognized that before the past 2 seasons.
Most of those losses were to good teams, but I will say the two games that OSU lost where they truly were the inferior team were the playoff game against Clemson in 2016 and OU in 2017 (and I'm not entirely sure OSU couldn't have won a rematch...Clemson the year before, forget it). The other games, OSU definitely had no business losing.
2013 MSU - give Hyde the damn ball
2013 Clemson - see above plus injuries on D and then Braxton late
2014 VT - a true WTF loss when looking back at how both teams ended up
2015 MSU - see 2013 MSU and replace Hyde with Zeke. Them coming in to the 'Shoe with a backup QB and winning against that (albeit complacent) OSU roster...inexcusable
2016 PSU - OSU dominated 95% of that game and lost on a couple of fluke special teams plays.
I give a pass to 2014 VT, simply how young that team was. Although, you could count it against coaching, as they did admit to shitting the bed in preparation for the 4-6 defense. The 2016 PSU loss is still just so crazy. I was there, and it felt like OSU was just dominating that game. The non-timeout before that field goal...man you hate to see it.
Elliott dots the eye, on this national championship win.
Nebraska and NW on the road are probably the 2 that most will circle and rightfully so. To me I think Nebraska still carries enough name recognition, and with what they did in the 'Shoe last year, shouldn't catch anyone off guard. That leaves NW and it being a Friday night makes me nervous. However, the talent gap is huge in this matchup, with or without Johnson slinging it. If the defense is improved, I don't see Fitz's defense being able to slow down Day's offense enough. To me, that's the story of the season. Not Day as HC or Fields as QB. To me I've seen enough of Day's offensive mind to know that they are going to score on anyone. If the changes to the staff and philosophy on D yield better results, there's really not a team on the regular season schedule that "should" beat the Buckeyes. Too hard to go undefeated so not predicting that just yet, but on paper they should win them all.
It is hard to say. I do not think it is Wisconsin. The game is physical but I think they have trouble scoring in general. So, unless the defense falls apart. North Western does not have the horses. They played a tighter game than expected in the title game, but they also got every call from the ref in that game. OSU could have blown them out early. Nebraska, has to prove they can win period before I worry about them at all. I know what they are potentially capable of, but they were capable of that last year too. How many weeks did it take to get win one?
Have to see how things shake out. Any game is a potential loss. If OSU comes out and the offense and defense play well, there is nobody on the schedule that is going to hang with them. How does Justin Field's settle in and how the defense adjusts will be the big questions going in to me.
Not that other teams are not dangerous, but OSU loses if they shoot themselves in the foot, the other team plays out of their mind and so on. Talent wise, none of those teams are on the same level. That does not always matter, but on paper OSU should be favored in pretty much all of their games.
I'd go with Northwestern at Evanston as a trap game sandwiched between home games against MSU & Wiscy.
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Nebraska and Northwestern on the road. Those are the two that worry me most. The Game is always out there, too.
I'm actually not worried about Wisconsin The home game that could potentially be traptastic might just be Maryland...if you want one that's kind of off the radar. Maybe it won't be to the team after nearly losing to them last year.
That four game stretch (with a bye week in the middle of it) of @Nebraska, vs MSU, @Northwestern, and vs Wisconsin has me more concerned than closing out the season back to back with vs PSU and up north.
Seems like things get funky somewhere among late September and into October. I don't know if it's the transition into conference play, the weather, what-have-you, but Ohio State had better have a good sense of who they are by the time they have to head to Lincoln.
Going to turn this around some. I do see a big possible upset in the OSU schedule. Michigan is currently a 3-point favorite over the Bucks in Ann Arbor. So, I will take the points and watch them go down in flames again. GO BUCKS!
That NW game being on Fri night def makes me worry, although it is coming off a bye week so that helps a lot. Nebraska has a good coach and QB so they could be trouble, but think with that being the first big conference game (sorry Indiana) that one is less likely to sneak up on us.
I have several possible for Michigan. Army, who almost beat Oklahoma in Norman last year, is going to be a tough game. Iowa, doesn't matter where Michigan plays them, just like Ohio State they can't seem to beat them. If this offense doesn't carry the team for once, Michigan could easily go 8-4.
While I think that Nebraska will be a tough game, along with Northwestern, the B10 didn't do the Buckeyes any favors by scheduling Penn State and Michigan on consecutive weeks. OSU has the talent to win all the games, but the schedule really isn't that friendly.
Obviously not wanting ANY loss. But if we do have a slip-up, Nebraska, NW, or Wiscy would be the teams to do it to, as we'd still control our destiny to Indy (and playoffs, minus another funky season of 3 unbeatens).
Yes, minus the unlikelihood of multiple undefeated teams AND assuming that hypothetical loss isn't a colossal tank job. There is some debate regarding Urban having a knack of losing a game he shouldn't every year. But it's very difficult to run the table and he seems to coach better as an underdog / with a chip on the shoulder.
So to me, it was the magnitude of the losses the last couple of years that made me question if something was a little bit off.
"Don't you put that evil on me" (my old ass doesn't know how to insert GIF)
There should be no talk of potential upsets. When they happen you should drink until you forget, they are not worth thinking about and the ones that haven't happened definitely aren't worth putting that thought out into the world.
Adrian Martinez may be the best B1G QB this year now that he has a year under Frost and was playing at a high level at the end of last year. With that said, nobody will be looking past them this year. A night game at Memorial Stadium with an offense like theirs is a guaranteed dog fight the entire game. If Nebraska can fix their defense they are going to be a SOB to play going forward. Luckily they havnt had a good defense for years now. I hope our offense comes to play because thats what its going to take.
Northwestern is probably the best upset pick due to it being the classic letdown game. I dont think we lose to them though.
I think we are going to be on upset alert all season. It all depends on QB development and how the defense comes together.
Cincinnati will be tough, but I think we win by a few scores. If our QB and defensive situation isn't good by the time we get to Nebraska on the road, we could lose by multiple scores. Michigan State is at a point where I doubt anyone knows what type of team they are going to be at that point of the season. Northwestern will be tough on the road. If Mertz is as advertised that could be a nail biter of a game, they always have a great o-line and Jonathon Taylor is one of the top backs in the B1G. Penn State at home is comfortable at the moment, but they are still very talented and the timing of that game (right before THE Game) is not great. Michigan will likely be over-confident, again, but lets see how that offense looks with Gattis "running the show". We know they should be motivated getting their asses kicked last every year, but somehow they still manage to be the most arrogant fan base in the country (outside of Notre Dame).
I could see us going anywhere from 11-1 or 9-3. This team is too talented to think we would have another situation like 2011, but I also feel it is too unlikely Day goes undefeated in year one, I mean Urban only did it once here.
Michigan State is the one which worries me. It kind of aligns with some of the other upsets from the past. My entire rationale is that the Buckeyes will be tired, banged up and in need of a rest week. Here's my thinking:
- It will be their 6th week in a row playing
- Thy have a bye week following the game
- The week before is a road game, against a team which is going to play hard nose football. Possibly even a night game.
- The MSU/OSU is a night game at home which seems to not work as well as it should....