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PRO8's picture

Will this end up being prophetic ?

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nickel beer's picture

Do literally everything better than everyone else, the same standard Fesler was held to 68 seasons ago

What's in a number--yes, I'm feelin' it.

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BrutusB's picture

Meyer won in ‘14 using almost exclusively his own players - the notable exception being Cardale, but they never get to that point without Barrett (a Meyer recruit). 

Day would likely rely more heavily on his inherited players this year, but a year from now it’s easy to envision the team relying on Day-recruits: Fields, Wilson, Fleming on offense, Harrison and others on defense. 

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kjonesATX's picture

Definitely some of the most important players in 2014 were part of the 2013 class (Zeke, Bosa, Apple, Lee, Bell, Marshall, JT, Price), but more than half of the starters were either a) already on campus when Meyer got there, or b) committed to Tressel or Fickell before he became the coach. 

Those include: Balwin, Curtis Grant, Bennett, Doran Grant, Steve Miller, Spencer, Smith, Heuerman, Cardale, Thomas, Perry, Powell, Elflein, and Boren.

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Knarcisi's picture

almost exclusively his own players.

That's not accurate.

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Trebor40's picture

Look at that roster again? Look at the offensive line as well as the TE position. Then yes Cardale was JT's replacement yet he was the replacement of Braxton and good heavens I wish Herman could have had a chance to coach a healthy QB Braxton during that 14 season! The LB core was a decent mix of both and the WR whom we all reminisce about was a senior that year! There were a couple of D-Linemen that would beg to differ with you as to who recruited them and whether a touchdown return from a pick against Bama would be considered a big deal!? Or for the that matter the corner who we based our man coverage scheme on. 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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analyticalguy's picture

While most of the key players in 2014 were his own, Meyer also had the benefit of contributions from a significant number of holdovers from his predecessor(s) - team MVP Evan Spencer, both TEs, renowned deep threat Devin Smith, under-appreciated Darryl Baldwin, defensive leader Michael Bennett, Doran Grant, Steve Miller, and Curtis Grant, plus others who (like Cardale) were recruited by and committed to Tressel/Fickell although their Buckeye careers didn't start until Meyer arrived - Boren, Powell and (maybe) Elflein and Perry. "Predominantly" may be a better description than "almost exclusively" when about half the starters were the holdovers.

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Dstacify's picture

It's not like Meyer wasn't winning with Tressel's recruits prior to 2014 though (the 2013 team was IMO talented enough to win a Natty but having Everett Withers on staff and completely out of sync with the rest of the defensive coaches derailed that season). This is kind of a weak argument. And people forget 2014 was expected to be a transition year (especially with the team playing without Braxton and replacing numerous players on offense going into that season). The whole new coach needs to have his own recruits in place to win argument is overblown. Good programs like OSU don't leave the cupboards bare for new coaches coming in because they consistently recruit at a high level. That was the case during the transition from Tressel to Meyer (and Braxton Miller also happened to be a perfect fit for Meyer's offense).

11 Strong.

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CowCat's picture

Yep, I've never bought the "wait until Coach X gets his players" argument. See: Harbaugh, JIm.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Well, as usual, thanks for a great read Ramzy! As the saying goes, we don’t rebuild, we reload. 

It goes w/o saying, dominate *ichigan, and win the B1G West road or do not expect to be in the top 5. That said, as far as ranking Day - I say, let’s revisit that come November. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

 

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Hovenaut's picture

Urban Meyer has made reference of the cyclical nature of college football.

Ryan Day (39 years old) and Woody Hayes (just turned 38) were relatively the same age when they accepted the head football coaching position at The Ohio State University.

Pretty wild to look back, even through all the ups and downs, at the history of Ohio State football in the modern college football era.

Here's to celebrating the successes of another first year (full-time) head coach in the months ahead, and then again (and again) in the years to come.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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Lighteyes's picture

What I took from this post is that Hove is projecting Ryan Day to win five national titles and double-digit B1G championships. Seems fair. ;)

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Hovenaut's picture

Hey, you never know...

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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Dillon G's picture

Great article. Way to put into words things I think. Including the stats you often add in, but I don't. Other people's money also might be alimony.

#walkaway

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BucksHave7's picture

Great points.  Had to read it 3X.   I feel like a chart showing  #'s of returning starters vs first year starters for the HC's named above would have been helpful. 

BucksHave7

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acBuckeye's picture

The '79 team was just before I was born. I've thought many times about how agonizing it must have been for that generation of players, coaches, and fans to come within a damn point of a perfect record and winning it all. Anyone from that era, please feel free to share, if you can.

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Scott62's picture

It was soul crushing.  Losing to USC made it worse.

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KCAlum's picture

Extremely soul crushing,  It was perhaps the hardest I personally ever took a loss.  There were also some eerie similarities between that game and the 2009 USC game.  In both games the last time Ohio State had a drive deep into USC territory, they had to kick a field goal that put them up by 6 in 1980 and by 5 in 2009.  Then both 4th quarters were dominated by agonizing USC drives that led to touchdowns with about one minute left in each game. Brutal!

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

In 1979 the Buckeyes were losing to ttun 15-12, with about 4-5 minutes to go.  Michigan was punting and the Buckeyes rushed 10 guys to block the punt and Todd Bell picked up the loose ball to score from about twenty yards out.  Even more amazing was Janakievski missed the PAT to keep the lead at three and give the skunk bears hope, but Buckeyes held on to win 18-15.  Lots of close games and comebacks that year early on, but the team started crushing everyone six games in.  TOSU started the season unranked, buy after beating ttun the Bucks jumped Alabama to be ranked #1.

 Rose Bowl tied at half, 10-10.  Buckeyes lead 16-10 late in the game. Held HTW Charles White and USC offense in check ALL GAME.  Then...HTW Charles White ran behind Anthony Munoz every play and went 80 yards in 10 plays, game over 17-16.  Sigh.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Floyd Stahl's picture

Jim Laughlin, baby. They wanted to bronze his forearms.

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Dillon G's picture

The win of Michigan on the third Saturday of November (where the Game belongs) was as good as any. Like the Brooklyn Dagger when shit happens, bum juice.

#walkaway

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daveyt11's picture

As a huge browns fan as well as OSU, 3 months later the browns drafted 2 of the guys that caused the heartache. Paul McDonald and Charles White

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Maxxxx's picture

Brutal.

Fortunately we had quaaludes and Crazy Mamas.

Life is short.  Filled with stuff.

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Knarcisi's picture

That was the first game I remember watching with my dad on TV although I remember nothing about the game. What was weird is that we watched it at my grandmother’s house (on mom’s side) since it was New Years Day. That wouldn’t happen today. A game of that magnitude, we’d be bunkered down somewhere in our “safe place”. No non-football people would be “allowed”. 

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nickel beer's picture

T_B does a nice  summary of the season.  That last drive felt exactly that--like that movie scene where someone evil's on top and slowly driving a blade into the good guy's chest. 

For me, a freshman, the game indicating what-was-to-come was the ucla game (which utterly broke ucla for the season, including their blowout loss to usc, just before the Rose).  The sheer tenacity of that Earle team.  Every great and OH-so close Buckeye team has this ecstatic level of tenacity. 

It's the thing I look for most when I watch the Buckeyes.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Just win baby!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Extramedium's picture

This article has inspired me to start making Wes Fesler references during OSU football conversations and act shocked when the person I'm talking to has no idea what I'm talking about.

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mugbucket's picture

I need to see side by side pics of Wes Fesler and Les Nessman.

Aging myself again.

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Xmedium: Make sure to reference the fact that Fesler was also a 3 time All American in football and 1930 Team Captain.  Fesler also lettered in basketball ( All American his senior year) and baseball.  

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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PhillyNut's picture

Day actually has the best shot going in at being named B1G COY since Earle (maybe if Fickell had a better season he would have gotten it).  First full year as a head coach, following a legend, unknowns at qb, bunch of assistant coaching changes.  Team is not expected to win its division let alone the conference or make the playoffs.  If Day and Company end up winning the Big Ten the only explanation that could be given for him not winning the COY is that it is rigged against the Buckeyes.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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nickel beer's picture

In options trading I think it's called time decay....  The way I'd see that scenario is that, as such a season comes to completion, the less likely his selection.  However, I admit, I'm cynical when it comes to that accolade.

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

In Ryan "Bugatti" Day I trust.

"Day is like a kid who woke up on his 16th birthday to find a Bugatti in the driveway." ~ Tom Fornelli

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Its hard to fathom 1979 was the last year the Buckeyes had a Big Ten COY award.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Floyd Stahl's picture

Urban should have won it in 2012 and Tressel in 2002, at the very least. But in the latter case, Ferentz had his first turnaround of Iowa and stole it (unjustly) from Tress.

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Qujo's picture

Ramzy! Story teller! Fabulous read and exceptional about OSU history, great coaches earning first time jobs inheriting great talent from the previous dude who was exceptional except for a punch, not beating Michigan, going only 9-3 every year and finally allowing athletes to put ink on their bodies so they could have a competitive advantage. Interesting to see how OSU coaches go away, but being a badass is always on all of their resumes. In a way it (and no COY since 79) drive Buckeye Nation. Weird? Maybe! Cult worthy, very possible.

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

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‘31Grandson's picture

Something that good...there has to be a bourbon for that?

‘31Grandson

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

So your telling me OSU under Day should win or at least play for a NC in the next 3 years. Yes please, I will have some of that!

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aledyard's picture

This is definitely an interesting read, but the theory does have data points that don't quite add up, most notably John Cooper.  Coop's first five seasons were pretty underwhelming - 4-6-1, 8-4, 7-4-1, 8-4, and 8-3-1.  I know Cooper has always blamed his early struggles on "too many slow white guys," but that theory really doesn't stick if you are serving up mediocrity 5 years in.  

I do think there is something to the idea that a coach has stayed too long and become stale, but perhaps Earle Bruce's firing in 1987 was premature and that's why Cooper's tenure sticks out as an anomaly.  Or maybe it's because Coop just wasn't a good fit for OSU, or a host of other reasons.  Who knows, but nevertheless it does deserve more of an analysis in this article because it blows a big hole in the central thesis of the writer's argument.  

"In America, anyone can become president.  That's the problem."  George Carlin

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Steelydan54's picture

Perhaps the thesis of the author was not to present a unified theory of all coaching for eternity, but simply to note that several former Buckeye coaches have had similar trajectories?

Steelybuck54

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stantmann's picture

Jon Gruden won the Super Bowl his first year in Tampa Bay. The dumb Floridians I lived around said "but he didn't win with his own players".  Yes, they were right, "his players"  were on the opposing Super Bowl team.

Urban did it, Tressel did it, Earle did it. Odd how that works out, but it almost always works that way in coaching, at least at OSU. The only exceptions were Cooper, who inherited a very bad team, and Fickle who had never coached before, and kept the previous staff intact, and I suspect never had full control of the team. Day on the other hand should be ok, as he has a historically great offensive staff, and he replaced the historically bad defensive staff (save Larry Johnson).

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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GoBucksOrDie's picture

Just another fabulous read by Ramzy!

Interesting signature line

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