Feels a lot like Harbaugh to Michigan. Makes a ton of sense, had to be done but there's a ton of risk.Jjust a year ago when LeBron announced he was heading to the Lakers the fanbase penciled in the finals. That didn't happen. Maybe they get there without the injury but LeBron still played 55 games and they were 28-27 in those games. He just can't carry a team like he did in Cleveland for chunks of his career.
Big part of the deal will be whether or not New Orleans plays nice with the Lakers. If New Orleans waits to close the deal late July Lakers can have more cap space. But if New Orleans pushes for this deal to be signed July 6th it gives the Lakers less cash to spend. Brow would also need to waive his trade bonus to free up space.
But that roster is basically LeBron, Davis and Kuzma and then nothing else at this point. If they end up with like $23M to spend that's not going to fill out a great roster.
I'm not sure New Orleans could have done any better. They now have pick #1 and #4 and three future round picks from the Lakers. Ball and Holiday would be the best defensive backcourt in the league ( assuming they don't move Ball). Holiday, Ball, Randall, Ingram, Zion etc is a fantastic young nucleus. Key will be what they do with that #4 pick. Keep it and get another young piece or move it for a legit starter. GREAT day for GM David Griffin. A+..
Lakers trade grade TBD. They still need more pieces plus no telling what the future holds. The worst case scenario is obviously they don't have a ton of money to spend, free agents aren't really interested, the behind the scenes stuff continues to be a crap show, LeBron or Brow get hurt ( or both) and the Brow has one year of this and leaves when he's a free agent next season.
This isn't 2016 LeBron so it's going to take more than the Brow and LeBron and some random pieces to seriously contend. They need another guy. LeBron is still a fantastic basketball player but his success was always bully ball type stuff and exploding to the basket. He turned into a jump shooter in the 2018 finals and couldn't even take dudes like Jordan Bell off the dribble and just settled for jumpshots.
Still got Durant, Klay, Kyrie, Kemba, Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris and a bunch of other top end players looking for new homes potentially. Should be interesting to see if the Clippers can land Kawhi Leonard. That's bigger to me then the Brow to the Lakers if it happens.
I read the pelicans also benefit though by waiting to close the deal at the end of July since they get more cap space also. And it’s 3 total 1st round picks...not the 4th this year and 3 more...correct?
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Yeah, it's confusing... you are right it's 3 1st round picks but they also have the rights to swap first round picks in 2023 and 2025.
With the cap space.... seems like most people think the Pels will stick it to the Lakers.. if they wait it clears the way for the Lakers to add a max contract guy. It's in the Pels benefit to not let that happen even if it costs them some cap room. They want the Lakers to be TERRIBLE in 2023,2024 and 2025.
Main problem was Bron got hurt as they were starting to gel, then Rondo, then Ingram, Lonzo etc etc so they never really had time to fully develop that chemistry.
I like the move, you get a beast who won't shy away when the games matter and gives Bron the best #2 he's ever had. Perhaps even above him now entering his 18th year. Will be interesting to see how the rest of the roster fills out. I do like those 2 + Kuzma. Do they go get a Kemba or Butler? Or do the use that $$ and bring in an array of shooters like JJ, Danny Green etc.? I'd almost prefer the latter but can't go wrong with another proven star. Kuz will be a really nice 4th option that's for sure. Hate rooting for the Lakers but am a Bron fan soooo here I am.
Bron the best #2 he's ever had.
Wade and Irving were better second fiddles imo because they helped space the floor. There's overlap in what Brow and LeBron do and want to do. LeBron is going in the paint less each year and Brow is drifting out to the 3 point line more each year.. potential for a lot of overlap.. Vogel will want to run everything around LeBron but a big part of the Vogel offense is a stay at home big.. that's not the Brow.. should be interesting..
Lakers butchered it. Davis was gonna come anyway at the end of season. They gave away half their starter(decent players) and mortgage the whole future away. They better hope both of them stay healthy. I believe Davis has a history of injuries. LeBron coming off an injury plagued season. He has taken great care of himself but soft tissues injuries are a pain in the butt and he ain’t no younger. Without depth those guys are going to have to play some big minutes every game. Good luck. You better win this year because you don’t have a draft pick for next 3 years
It's likely Davis would have come next year but it was no guarantee. Even so, they couldn't afford to waste yet another year of LeBron's prime with a roster that was going nowhere. If they can fill in the right pieces around James and Davis they have a real chance to win right away now. You have to be in win now mode if you have LeBron James.
Lebrons prime is over, it ended 2 years ago. Lebron is now in the twilight years of his career
Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not
He may not be at his absolute peak anymore but he's not in his twilight either. He's still one of if not the best basketball player on the planet.
I agree, Stellar. I’m no LeBron fan but the dude ain’t washed up. IF healthy he still top 3. My biggest concern with him like I mentioned in other post is his health. Groin (I believe that was his problems not sure) can be a nagging problem. He is not any younger. Physically at his age things don’t bounce back. Kobe dropped pretty hard. Both put playoff run after playoff run season together. Back to your point though. If LeBron stays healthy he one of the best in the game still. LeBron at 85% is better that 95% of the world
I wouldn't say he's in his prime anymore, but I still think he has enough in the tank to turn it on in the playoffs and finals. Important for the Lakers to pick up some depth so AD and LBJ can somewhat pace themselves during the regular season and not burn out.
He's not Jordan on the Wizards just yet. LeBron has some gas in the tank. He's just not the same guy he was when him and 4 random dudes could beat teams because he could carry the whole thing. He can't take guys off the dribble like he did for so many years. He just has a different game now.
With the Warriors down, there is a chance to make a run this year. One lesson from the Raptors going and getting Kawhi with no long term guarantee: take your shot when you have it.
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The trade for Davis will also increase the chance of the Lakers attracting a big time free agent. Knowing Davis and LeBron are going to be there for a few years makes it an attractive destination that if wasn’t.
Just heard that the trade is official on July 6th which reduces the Cap space the Lakers have to work with. So they can’t sign a FA to a max contract. They still should be an attractive destination to your point though.
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I see this view and agree. Giving the future up for one guy does workout sometimes, but a huge risk. But with no KD and most likely no Klay in golden state next year, there’s opportunity in the west to make a move. If LA were to add Kawhi, Klay, or Kyrie in August though? The lakers look genius.
How long has that van been there?
Those are the three free agents that I think they need to land one of too. The ones you named. That defense with LeBron, Kawhi, and AD would be legendary. I would love to see that. But I think strategically, what they need is a 3 and D guard. And Klay is the best in the league. Although maybe I’m wrong. Now that LeBron is getting old, maybe he drives less? It doesn’t seem like his first step is blowing past guys anymore, he still gets buckets, but he seems to be well defended more often now. Maybe they need a slasher, like Kyrie instead, to help LeBron carry that role. Kyrie’s skill set is great with LeBron, the fact that he can both drive and shoot the lights out. But, unless Kyrie has completely changed his mind about wanting to be a first option, superstar, I just can’t see why he would want to play with LeBron again, and split ball handling duties. I mean, if that’s what is really important to him. I also have heard for a couple years that he wants to be in New York so that his dad can come to all the games. That makes sense. But still, if I were Kyrie, I’d hitch my wagon to LeBron and go down in history.
(And if I were Kevin Love, I’d be pissed that this reunion wasn’t happening in Cleveland with me. Actually as a Cavs fan, I would be pissed about that anyway).
Best part of this deal, if Ball stays in NO, is that his dad is removed from being around a large market team where the media fawn over getting quotes from him.
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LeBron still played 55 games and they were 28-27 in those games. He just can't carry a team like he did in Cleveland for chunks of his career.
I don't pay that much attention to the NBA, but my impression was that the Cavs teams, that LeBron carried, were mostly full of decent NBA veteran role players; whereas, last year's Lakers were mostly a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears neophytes.
And, while the Lakers still have a highly-dysfunctional front office, disassociating from LaVar Ball has to be a positive move.
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They need to sign shooters to surround them now. Both are great but doesn't mean much if you dont have outside threats keeping defenses honest.
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I'm just happy the Celtics didn't take the bait.......but stood in it long enough to up the ante for the Lakers to pay a very heavy price.
And now I hope Kawhi stays in Toronto where his game fit the team perfectly.
Kyrie going to run scared and hide out in Brooklyn. Such a shame. All that a talent and ego he should be heading to the Knicks with another superstar or sticking with Boston.
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The Lakers will go hard after Kemba or Kyrie. They will get one. This is a gamble by the Lakers but if they win it all next year, it’s worth it.
It will be very interesting to see how things pan out with my Cavs and my Knicks. Kevin Love trade rumors are out there, and the #5 pick depends on what the Pels do.
As far as the Knicks, it appears they are going to have to go the draft and develop route. I’m fine with that as long as they don’t throw away money this year. I’m sorry to say, but there is no way they should chase KD now. He will be 32 and coming off a major injury when he can play again.
To be honest the Cavs probably should have traded Love last year after LeBron left. They were fools to think they could keep contending. I'm curious to see what kind of value they can get for Love now. He clearly still has value, but how much?
As for the Knicks, Durant getting hurt clearly f***ed up their plans to turn into contenders overnight by signing him and another star like Kyrie. I'm not sure where they go from here.
Agree on both points.
Not sure on the “Cavs trade down for more picks with the Hawks”. It clearly makes no sense unless you are trying to round out the roster with more role players.
It will be interesting to see if the Knicks commit to youth and let them develop.
As crazy as it sounds the Knick brand still has cachet and don’t need a publicity stunt like signing KD unless it’s team friendly in some way. Leave that to Brooklyn, Clips etc.
The Knicks don't need KD for publicity, they need him for talent. The guy is one of the best players in the world.
The Knicks traded away the centerpiece of their franchise in Portzingis with clear plans to go after a big fish in free agency, namely Kevin Durant. If they don't bring in an elite player like that who else do they have to build around?
Again, agreed BUT KP forced a trade. It came out that he told the Knicks they had one week to trade him or he was going back to Europe. He is also under investigation for a crime.
If the knicks sign KD all they’ll have next year to show for it is the publicity. He’s not coming back from that Achilles rupture to play any time next season so you’ve wasted a year on contract with absolutely no idea what you’re going to get in return. So at best you’ll have a 32 year old Durant (maybe depending on how surgery and rehab goes) signed for ~40 million a year?
Are you going to get a Kobe returning from his Achilles injury? Because then that would be a complete waste of a max contract.
If he’s healthy he’s a no brainer signing for whatever he wants but he’s not and the knicks aren’t in a spot to risk taking a chance without seeing what the return might be given the product they’ve put on the floor since the Ewing starks mason Oakley years
Kevin Love trade rumors are out there
Yes, I've read that too. I've long thought that a trade to Portland would make sense and the Blazers have indeed reached out to the Cavs. They called last season as well and were told 'no' by Cleveland. I think they need to move him.
Kemba will be the smart play. Trying to go after Kyrie is just trying to take on baggage they don’t need. The relationship between him and LeBron may have improved but it wouldn’t take long to break back into their selfishness on the same team. Kemba seems to be a team player so far in his career and I don’t think he would have a problem being a second or third guy.
ESPN broke a story that has since been removed that the team is now the LeBrowns.
It will be interesting to see what else the Lakers can pull in this offseason. As others have mentioned, a lot in regards to the remaining cap space will be determined by what date the deal is finalized on.
If the Lakers are able to maximize their cap space, do they spend it all on a guy like Kemba? Or do they split it up to bring in a couple of fringe starters/role players like Danny Green or JJ Redick? Either way, they will have to bank on signing a few guys at the vets minimum to fill out the roster. This hasn’t been an issue over LeBrons career, as there have been plenty of guys towards the back end of their career that have signed for the minimum to join LBJ for one more chance at a title
They have a 1-2 year window. Clock is ticking.
They have a 1 year window. Davis declined to do a sign and trade so he's a free agent after this season. Also being reported he wants his trade bonus of $4M so he's not helping them with cap space this year. Durant and Thompson got hurt and the West is up for grabs. Lakers pushed all their chips into the middle for next season and taking the gamble Davis and LeBron and pieces is enough to win the whole thing..
Well Lavar Ball has stated that the Lakers will never win another championship because they traded his son, so it doesn’t matter who the Lakers sign.
Dude tries so hard to live vicariously through his kids.
I feel bad for Lonzo. If he can head to New Orleans and leave his Dad in LA that would be amazing for the kid. If his Dad is intent on going to New Orleans you have to wonder if they'll try and trade Lonzo to just not have to deal with that mess... whole thing is sad.. Ball is like the modern day Jackson 5 dad..
I think NO is going to try and trade the number 4 pick and Lonzo. Maybe that's enough to get Beal from Washington?
Holiday, Beal, Ingram, Zion and a free agent big man is a contending starting five in the West. Plus getting rid of the Ball saga just helps that much more.
LeBron trying to buy another ring. I hate this super team concept.
NBA champions have always been super teams. You need 2-3 stars to win. That's always been the case. Just because the Bulls drafted both Jordan and Pippen doesn't mean they weren't a super team. Same with the Celtics of the 80s. They got most of those guys through trades.
Exactly, Lebron has never benefited from his team drafting a superstar teammate, Pippen is a top 10 player all time in my opinion.
David Griffin will have the Pelicans contending soon. Huge opportunity in the draft and the Pelicans are lucky to have him.
The Lakers have 5 players officially on their roster, one of which is Mo Wagner. They have some work to do, but I'm sure a big-time ring chaser will be added soon.
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Such a horrible trade for the Lakers, which is perfectly fine by me. The Pelicans get better now and in the future, while LeBron and The Brow will still be the second best team in LA.
I think this was a deal the Lakers probably had to make, but it's going to be tough to build a new squad with what cap space they have.
Toronto proved this year that what it takes to win a finals is a combination of star power and serious depth--the Lakers will only have one of those things no matter who they manage to sign to complement LeBron and LeBrow.
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I'm amused by everyone saying the Pelicans won the deal because my gosh, look at all these great pieces the Lakers dealt to them. Did any of you watch the 2018-19 Lakers? None of those guys are key pieces on a championship-level team, and let's not forget that Ingram has some health concerns that are not minor.
LeBron, Davis, Kuzma, and various ring-chasing veterans is a pretty good nucleus for a championship run for at least a couple of seasons. And you can't forget, they're still the Lakers. There's a reason they can be this bad for this long, and yet players still force their way there.
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They won the deal because of draft picks... the young talent is a bonus. Imagine this doesn't work out. The Pels have either the picks or the right to swap first round picks for 6 years.. They own the Lakers draft picks. Thing happen. There's a scenario where the Pels sneak into the playoffs every year and the Lakers become a perennial lottery team that the Pels can just poach or swap picks.. without Ingram, Ball and Hart it's still a win for the New Orleans..
With regards to Ingram,.. if he doesn't pass the physical the deal won't happen. Davis will go back to New Orleans or a the very least they'll send Ingram back and demand Kuzma..
If you are the Lakers it's already worrisome... Davis doesn't want it to be a sign in trade because he want;'s to do free agency next season, reported he won't waive his $4M trade bonus which hurts the cap space.. LeBron and Davis is not nearly enough. Kuzma is a nice piece but he's not a 3rd guy.. not even close.. Just year ago when LeBron said he was headed to the Lakers every Laker fan on the planet said free agents would flock to LA and play for peanuts... did not happen.. they'll only be as good as the rest of the roster.... Leonard goes to the Clippers and Lakers won't even have the best team in the city..
Lakers won this trade. Pels could have had Kuz if they made the trade earlier. Those Lakers picks are going to turn out to be low end first round picks in the 20s, which in the NBA are essentially useless. Lebron isn't getting any younger and they already wasted this year, so the Lakers had to go all in especially with the Warriors vulnerable.
Any chance the Cavs could trade their #5, and #26 this year to move up?
20s picks are useless? The Raptors say look at Pascal Siakam. Given that there was no way in hell Davis was staying a Pelican, New Orleans got a very nice package to rebuild with, along w/ Zion coming in. They weren't going to get anything better from any other team, and just gtting Zion to team w/ Davis for one year wasn't going to win them a championship.
No one would take Kuzma over the 4th pick in the draft. That was the key to waiting. The #4 pick is gold. Kuzma is just a guy at this point who has proven to be better than his late first round draft slot. If Kuzma is the 3rd best player on their roster when the season starts they aren't going anywhere. Kuzma would have come off the bench this year for the Bucks, Raptors, Celtics, Warriors and Sixers.. He's a depth guy on a championship caliber team... not a starter.
Basically gave up FIVE first round picks and a second, that's far too much in my opinion and do they have a promise that he will sign long term with the Lakers or is this a one year rental? They could still sign another big name as they have the cap space or load up on quality role player around the three man guys. There are only FIVE players under contract for next year at this point.
Yea, what they going to have 2 players on the floor? LOL
Lebron is DONE! Most other players hate his ass, he is an overbearing self centered ego maniac, He went to LA to become a Hollywood elite, well Lebron, please stay in LA!!
Oh did I mention that he is a DUMBASS, listen to him speak sometime.
SMH.. He is definitely not dumb
The Lakers could finally be set up to help The King get another Ring.
He might have been able to get that ring in Cleveland this past year considering the way things played out with the Warriors injuries.
Despite all of this the Lakers are still a highly dysfunctional organization starting at the top. LeBron and AD are going to have to overcome that to win a ring there (and having Frank Vogel as HC with Jason Kidd on staff undermining everything he does isn't going to help).