Big Ten Coaching Rankings Post Meyer Era

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Cruiser79's picture

The link didn't work for me but I did go to the web site and the dumb - ass who wrote the article said Ryan Day inherited a great situation but so did Luke Fickell. We will know soon enough if the hire of Ryan Day was the right one and where he will ultimately be rated. I think Gene Smith hit this one out of the park. Go Bucks!!!

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rkylet83's picture

Luke Fickell inherited a good situation?  That’s when you know an author knows nothing.  No use giving him any attention. 

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allinosu's picture

That thought hit me immediately. Prior gone and others suspended while your one hope is a freshman QB. The whole program and fan base was in disarray over losing Tress. The norm is writing articles without doing ones homework first.

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unknownmusketeer's picture

And a walrus in charge of the offense.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Ya didn't Fickell start Braxton Miller as a freshman? The Buckeyes had alot of talent, but if I remember correctly alot of them were inexperienced..Still they played every team real close.

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bd2999's picture

Day already got to try out and did a good job as head coach under worse conditions. Have to see how Day does full time, but he should do well.

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GunnerBuck's picture

Given the dominance Day has shown over Franklin on the recruiting trail...I tend to see Day being 1-2 at the end of the season. Either way Franklin shouldnt and won't be there by the end of the year. 

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GunnerBuck's picture

10. OHIO ST.
Ryan Day: Day steps into an interesting situation. To paraphrase my CBSSports.com colleague, Barton Simmons, Day is like a kid waking up on his 16th birthday to find a Bugatti in the driveway. We don't even know for sure if he can drive yet, but he's got a hell of a car to learn in. Clearly, Day is set up in the best possible situation, and while he's 3-0 as a head coach, Urban Meyer was still involved with the program. Now Day is on his own and it's time for him to put his stamp on things, and it's important to remember it's not always as easy as it might seems. People could have argued that Luke Fickell was in a good situation in 2011. He inherited a program from Jim Tressel that had gone 12-1 the season before and had won at least 10 games in every season since 2005. Fickell went 6-7 and was then replaced by Urban Meyer. As nice as Ohio State is, it's not a self-driving car

The Luke Fickell and Ryan Day situations are no where near similar and the comparison between them is ignorant. Fickell lost 3/4 of that teams offensive playmakers who had set to be there for a year plus. He was thrown into a fire with a true freshman QB and still went 500 without getting blown out (from what I remember) in any game.  

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

You remember correct, the worst loss was to Miami
Every other loss was by 7 or less. I remember being so dejected by the close losses game after game, especially being an underthrown ball away from having a 15 game win streak over Michigan.

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PhillyNut's picture

I sat through that miserable weather MSU game where they only lost by 3 when most pundits expected them to be blown out. Frankly, if Luke just had a couple more years experience at that point as a HC think they would have gone 8-5 that year and we would not have gotten Meyer. No knock on Luke but timing is everything.

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Grand Lake Celina's picture

He was stuck with a pretty bad assistant coach situation too. I love Tressel but he was on his way towards a down slide, relative to OSU standards, due to the crap coaches he kept around.

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analyticalguy's picture

... and who Luke was not allowed to replace. Luke was a defense guy, while JT had effectively been both the QB coach and OC. Luke got stuck with the walrus and a film guy when he desperately needed some creative offense-minded thinking to handle the decimated offense and especially the QB situation.

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Buctor's picture

Imagine if his qb coach had been someone like Day and if his OC had a modicum of capability!

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

if his OC had a modicum of capability! 

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45has2's picture

That's the signal for Dave right.

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lamplighter's picture

especially this guy

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OSUnWV's picture

Im not sure what the fascination with Franklin is . Hes fielded sone decent teams but he doesnt beat anyone. 

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OSU56's picture

Based on the recent decommits, the smoke that is emanating from PSU may provide the answer soon. As usual with these subjective news items for clicks you have your over rated coaches like Franklin and Hairball and you have some that are legit.

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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teddyballgame's picture

Ah yes, James "good but not elite" Franklin.

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Wargor's picture

He originally claimed 'great but not elite', at this point I described him / them as "good on some days".

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FortMeyer's picture

These lists are ridiculous. Something to write about in the downtime of a year. The 10 year old neighbor kid could make a list and put it in print. The amount of actual football acumen some of these guys have that are writing this stuff would floor us all if we actually knew. Most are based off who the writer likes and dislikes or which fanbase he is trying to please or fire up.

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Rocket Man's picture

It's only fair.  I think Urban and Tressel both finished far back in the COY vote at the end of the year.

So a guy who is undefeated but only 3-0, and has the best recruiting class in the conference probably should be ranked 10th by those standards.  Maybe he'll move up to 7th or 8th if he wins a national championship.

I'm just surprised Kirk Frerentz wasn't first.

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Txsbuckeye's picture

When in doubt - Kirk Ferentz

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Buctor's picture

Apparently quality of recruiting, which should include keeping kids that have already committed, does not enter their criteria!

And fully agree with the statements already made about the Day Fickel comparison.  

But we are commenting about it.

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MaineStrength's picture

I'm a little surprised that D'antonio is that high.  He had a great run, but in his last 3 years he's averaging a .500 record, but I guess he deserves some credit for development, however it turns out he had quite a bit of NFL talent in the early 2010's...more so than HS recruiting rankings would suggest.  IMO Chryst should be number one based on his record and dominance in his division.  Then it's a toss up between Franklin & JH.  JH recruits slightly better and has beaten PSU two of three.  They have pretty much identical records the past few years, although Franklin took a little longer to get up to double digit wins.  But, Franklin has also beaten OSU and did win a conference title, so it makes sense to give him the nod at this point.  However, I'd guess that JH is able to keep pace and Franklin drops back a bit in 2019.  And, of course if Day lights it up this year he will quickly get consideration for the #1 spot.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I wouldn't go Harbaugh 2nd. Michigan is built to win like 8-9 wins every year, unless a bafoon like Hoke is coach. Harbaugh hasn't done anything special, all you can really say about him so far is he hasn't had a disaster season like Hoke and Richrod. Dantonio has done great things for MSU, but his problem is he's to loyal to his assistants, that is part of the reason they are on the decline. Although this year if their offense stays healthy, they could compete in the East. Their defense is always tough.

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OsuSuperman's picture

While the MSU defense is always tough, their offense is so terrible that I don't expect much from them this year. Dantonio did not replace anyone on an offensive staff that was as bad as any that I have ever seen. It is really hard for me to envision any progress out of that group.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

I agree completely about Dantonio's offensive coaches, but they were also hit hard with injuries on offense last year. If Lewerke can improve and stay healthy, along with the recievers, they could suprise.

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OsuSuperman's picture

I understand they were hit with injuries and lost their top receiver but I still don't think offensively they will have much of a pulse. Just looking how they wrapped up their last 5 games: scored 6 points in a loss to Oregon, scored 14 points as they squeaked out a win over Rutgers (Lewerke was out), scored 6 points against Ohio State, scored 24 against Maryland, scored 7 points against Michigan.

On the season Lewerke completed 54% of his passes for 2,000 yards with 8 TDs and 11 INTs. 

They could prove me wrong next year, but with no shakeup on the staff, I am highly skeptical of any claims by Sparty fans that we will see a vast improvement on the field.

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MaineStrength's picture

I don't think you're giving JH enough credit and are undervaluing MSU's talent.  JH lost to OSU in '16 by a coin flip call, to MSU in '15 on a fluke blocked punt, and to FSU in the Orange Bowl by one point without Peppers.  I mean all of those games could easily go the other way with nothing different than luck.  If UM wins those 3 and is 1-3 against OSU, 3-1 against MSU, and wins the Orange Bowl things feel a lot different.  I think he's really close and with Gattis the offense will finally be able to utilize its talent.

I think you're also making the mistake of assuming that UM has had more talent.  There are a number of years in there where IMO MSU was more talented despite what the recruiting rankings said. Guys like Le'veon Bell, Andrew Maxwell, Connor Cook, Aaron Burbridge, Max Bullough, William Gholston, Darqueze Dennard, Jack Conklin, Malik McDowell, Shalique Calhoun, etc. were really good players.  That being said, I don't think MSU has the offense to threaten UM in 2019.  The defense will be tough, but UM should be able to score enough points to win a typical slug fest.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Dantonio brought those players to MSU and developed them. So he and his staff deserve the credit. Of course you need good players to win, and half of those guys you mentioned were probably 3 stars in HS. Again the credit goes to Dantonio and his staff. You are trying to lessen what he was able to accomplish by saying he had good/great players. We agree to disagree on Harbaugh. I never said or made an assumption that Michigan had more talent at the time than MSU. Michigan hasn't been good when it counts in November and in the bowl games.

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MaineStrength's picture

IMO it's a combination of development, identification, & some pure luck...good for MSU & bad for UM.  I'm also surprised by how many recruits never lived up to the hype at UM.  Derrick Green, Shane Morris, Kyle Kugler, David Dawson, Kyle Bosch, RJS, James Ross, LTT, Drake Harris, Ondre Pipkins, Joe Bolden, Chris Fox, Ben Gedeon, Bryan Mone, Michael Ferns, Lawrence Marshall, Brian Cole, Devin Asiasi, Kareem Walker, Kekoa Crawford, Aubrey Solomon, Drew Singleton, Oliver Martin, James Hudson, Deron Irving-Bey, Corey Malone-Hatcher, O'Maury Samuels, JaRaymond Hall, & Myles Simms.  That's an insane number of 4 & 5-star guys who either flamed out, transferred, or had to medically retire.  I'm sure there has to be some poor player evaluation and development there, but there also has to be a lot of bad luck too.

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BrutusB's picture

You can’t really rank Day at this point, so I don’t care where they put him. 

Definitely think Franklin is overhyped though. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

It's tough to rank Day, I mean he hasn't been a HC for a full year. We saw a glimpse in 3 games this past season, but we'll know what we've got by week 4/5 this year. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Hovenaut's picture

Yeah.

Let's revisit this list in a year.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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teddyballgame's picture

So you're saying Day might have a shot winning B1G Coach of the Year?

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Wargor's picture

Despite the long odds, this has to be our best chance in decades.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

I think Scott Frost is better than any of the coaches in front of him and his success will put the heat under a lot of coaching seats in the next few years. 

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Ahh Saturday's picture

So, does this mean that if Ohio State wins the conference that an OSU coach finally wins B1G COTY?

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buckeyearchie76's picture

Let's give Ryan Day some credit as a coach right now. If you remember, he WAS the head coach the first 3 games last year.  In the TCU game it was a very close affair in the third quarter and then the Bucks scored like 19 points in about 6 minutes.  The play calling was excellent.  The Bucks mixed the pass with the run and blew the Horned Frogs away in a short period of time.  That was probably a combined effort by all the coaches.  But, if that was a test for Ryan Day's ability to coach, he passed it with flying colors.  I think we are all going to be happy that he is our coach!  GO BUCKS!

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bd2999's picture

Bosa going down that game still makes me sad. I do not think him being there would have saved the defense by any stretch but it would have nothing but helped the team to have him there on year. Just a side though.

Day did a good job in the games he coached. And he seemed to be pretty good at adjusting in most of the games too. Outside of the redzone issues. I am not sure that was on the play calling though, the offensive line forgot they had to push the line of scrimmage and create running lanes in the mid parts of the season. They improved towards the end of the year.

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SilverHaven's picture

Fix the link!

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