LJ probably not in the list as the Coordinators likely get most of the attention here. And you’re right, Grinch at 4 is ridiculous.
I'd agree except the UGA RB coach is also on the list.
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Funny, too. I remember all the talk about Venables when he was at Oklahoma and his defenses used to get run up like the Oklahoma defenses do today and I used to laugh every time Musberger or another announcer would talk him up. But he’s certainly proven himself over time.
Venables had some of the very best defenses in the nation for several seasons. Prior to about 2007 or 2008 when the no huddle offenses began in the Big XII.
Ohio born but Sooner bred.
And Don Brown was probably top 3-5 on this list until 62-39.
Except that Aranda was DC at Wisky when we ran up 59 on them in the B10 Championship game in 2014
This list also makes you wonder, how much longer can Dabo hold onto Elliot and Scott? Both 38/39 and have been at Clemson for a long time.. It's only a matter of time before someone offers them head coaching jobs. They both make 1mil a year, plus Ven and Dabo's salaries (on top of the other 5 coaches who makes 1/2 a mil each). so you'd think their earning potential at Clemson is about up.
If I’m a P5 AD my top-3 candidates are Clemson assistants.
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Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
Venables at 1 is fair. As far as actual coaching acumen he means more to them than Dabo imo.
Lol at Grinch and Brown
LJ can just keep quietly going about his business as far as I'm concerned, his body of work speaks for itself.
Most #4 coaches don’t get run out of town.
Bob Shoop got ran out of Happy Valley as well.
That list looks thrown together as hell.
I may get killed for this. I don’t think Grinch was given a fair chance. I don’t know who ran what, and what official title and responsibility was. In my opinion key word opinion, is that Shiano had his fingerprints all over the defense. I don’t think Grinch was ever given the keys to the car. I think Urban back Shiano and Davis and that was the way it was. A good ol boy club. I’ve no proof of this just my thoughts. LJ not on the list is questionable.
Totally fair. With his experience at Wazu and the strange division of powers here, still too early to write the book on Grinch.
Grinch was hired under the assumption that Schiano would take the Tennessee head coaching job. Then that fell through thanks to the mob down in Rocky Top protesting the hire and Schiano was deemed untouchable as a head coaching candidate after that. So he returned with a new title that gave him oversight over the entire defense while Grinch was demoted to co-DC with his specific focus being at the safety position. The way the safeties played under Grinch last season I think he coached with a bit of a DGAF attitude because of the way all of that went down.
A top 4 coach doesn't have a DGAF attitude ever. You don't get to the top of any profession with that attitude ever. It isn't even possible. The greats would never quit. Either he didn't or the rankings suck.
Grinch is NOT a top 4 coach. I think he's a decent coach (better than what he showed last year certainly) but not on that level of elite. Even if it wasn't outright apathy I wouldn't be surprised if Schiano's unexpected return rubbed him the wrong way somewhat. What was quite apparent was that his position group was the biggest problem for the defense last season (whereas the safeties played quite well in both years that Schiano was coaching them). That's 100% a reflection on him and his coaching. If you need an example why the hell does Jahsen Wint already look so much better this year under Hafley's coaching when last year he looked completely lost out there under Grinch's tutelage?
Agree with this, but also think that if Ryan Day thought Grinch was a top 5 assistant in the country, he wouldn't have let him walk.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
I’ve thought same thing kinda. I’ve also thought if Grinch thought he was wronged by OSU then taking a lateral move is not a bad thing. If he even improves Oklahoma slightly he will be hailed as a hero. At OSU the talent and different style of play dictates a top 10 defense.
I would agree but we only have the body of work to see. Does he have the potential to be top 10? Sure, he could be next year. With that being said, last years defense took a HUGE step back, in every sense of the word. A true top 10 coach, even hamstrung could have done more. The fact that he essentially gave up (which is obvious given his lack of recruiting) takes him out of the top 10 for me.
Grinch has only proven himself while at Washington State. Only a couple seasons and the PAC-12 questionable in strength compared to other power conferences. Will be interesting to see what happens at OU over the next few seasons.
That's OK. Let the pundits keep overlooking one of the best Ohio State assistant coaches to ever step foot in the 'Shoe. Larry Johnson will remain one of the Buckeyes' most secret weapons.
Oh, and did I mention that whatever they're paying the man, it ain't enough?
Go Bucks. Stealthily.
I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes
Grinch at #4 is the definition of hype. Now I'm sure the guy is a solid coach, and probably never really had his chance to put his stamp on OSU while he was here with guys like Schiano and Johnson already well-established and running things, but putting him anywhere in the top 10 is absurd given how little he's accomplished compared to a guy like Venables.
Also Bud Foster from Virginia Tech should be in the top 10--he's the definition of a long-serving assistant coach who's arguably more important to his program than whoever the head coach is at the time.
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
they left out a Broyles award finalist from this passed year Army's – Jay Bateman, Defensive Coordinator. Don't know much about the man. but Army always does more with less.
The Wisconsin O-line coach should get some love. He always turns 3 star recruits into valuable draft picks.
Wonder what the standards are.
I wonder if any standards were used.....
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
Don Brown LOL
“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899
live footage of Don Brown going over his new playbook
Don't mistake me for Don Brown
oooo wow didn't even look at your username. thats ironic.
I guess shouldnt insult the moosen of the world comparing them to Don Brown.
How many more years of production (both on the field and on the recruiting trail) before Hartline cracks this list?
2 more, IMO.
They made this list to piss OSU fans, didn't they?
They left off Bill Bedenbaugh, the offensive line coach at Oklahoma.
Notre Dame and Wisconsin OL coaches are left out as well.
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Any list like this that doesn’t have Larry Johnson on it is a absolute disgrace to college football. How can a guy that’s developed as much talent as he has not even top 10. Ridiculous. I’m not buying any stock in grinch.. the guy had one year in c-bus and had a few in Wash State. It took 10 weeks and a targeting penalty to finally discover another safety. I’m done with him to be honest. I was so happy to see him go to the big 12 where his inefficiency’s can be brushed aside for AWESOME offensives.
Exactly. Since the year 2000 he's produced 19 draft picks. 7 first round picks and 12 2nd round or higher. Heres the real funny part... BV has had 21 drafted in 1 year more. Same number of first round picks. Yet one is #1 and one is not listed at all.
Alex Grinch was the very definition of 'bust' while at Ohio State, and that he reportedly worked against OSU while recruiting showed his true character. Now, whether or not that was entirely his fault remains to be seen, but it was no coincidence that upon Grinch's arrival the defense went to historically shitty levels, so he played a big part in last season's collapse. What we know for certain at this point is that Ryan Day does not think highly of Alex Grinch, otherwise Grinch would still be at Ohio State.
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Bucks need not worry-the "lists" are so bad that you just have to realize it's someone who doesn't know what coaches are out there. Their ability to determine with solid criteria who is good and why is just not there. They swing at the air. Similar to the Buckeye head coaches in the past who were overlooked, but produced great teams and championships.
We just keep doing our thing and win, that is what matters.