Skull Session: Ryan Day Prefers Ohio State to the Patriots, Justin Fields is a Top-10 Quarterback, and Dawand Jones Leaves the Hardwood

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Kevin Harrish's picture

The downside to the whole "this runs at 5 a.m." thing is that when I inevitably err, everyone's waiting until I arise to fix it.

dan_isaacs's picture

Better late than pregnant

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Yeah I was thinking of creating a Forum Post at 5:30, but then I thought - WTF am I doing?

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McGrind's picture

Better late than never...

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Kevin Harrish's picture

You're sure that's your take?

BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Must be like the government over there at 11W.  Or perhaps Kevin has tenure?

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

The word of the day should have been quotidian.  I have to look that up!

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FortMeyer's picture

Lists from people that have most likely never played a second of the sport they are making lists for are what we live for....am I right?? Just like watching ESPN on a daily basis...

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Hovenaut's picture

Blame the offseason, as there is no other explanation.

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IGotAWoody's picture

Obama?

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GoBucks10's picture

I hate the offseason.

There's no points for second place, gentlemen.

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Dillon G's picture

See, even Day knows the NFL is a stepping stone to Ohio State.

#walkaway

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kmp10's picture

 It's absolutely worth your read if you're one of them subscribers.

What?

Also, I have no idea what happened with Grinch last season, but that clusterfuck of a defense was at its worst from the LBs through the safeties, and the nosedive just happened to coincide with the arrival of Alex Grinch. That he was reportedly sandbagging it on the recruiting trail, and that he was done and done at Ohio State speaks volumes, imo. 

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Nutinpa's picture

Not that I am excusing the performance by any means, kmp, but I think Grinch felt he was sold a bill of goods. 

The minute Schiano was "fired" from consideration at Tennessee, it meant he was coming back to Columbus and Grinch was relegated to his role as a position coach.  Despite Grinch's "coming home" to Columbus, he sure mailed in the season and started looking elsewhere probably in September.  The only thing I can surmise in his defense.....is that he had a 180 degree disagreement with how Schiano wanted to run the defense and moreover, run the secondary.  Honestly, I think it will be ten years before we really understand what happened to last year's defense in terms of an honest, "so that explains it" realization. 

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acBuckeye's picture

It was shades of the 2013 defense all over again. Two coordinators with opposing philosophies.

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Nutinpa's picture

Agree.  And the sad thing is, for as bad as the 2013 Defense was, it seems in hindsight, like a steel curtain compared to last year's.

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kmp10's picture

All fair points, Nipa. I also think it's fair to assume that Ryan Day wasn't impressed with Grinch, otherwise he (Grinch) would probably still be here. 

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MaineStrength's picture

Brad Crawford of 247 Sports put together his top-10 assistant coaches in college football, and Larry Johnson – the top position coach in college football in this humble blogger's estimation – was nowhere to be found.

I think it's just a bad title.  It looks like it was only for coordinators.  The title is College Football's 10 Best Assistant Coaches.  But, based on the fact they are all coordinators, I'm assuming they didn't consider position coaches.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I thought that at first, but there's a Georgia running backs coach on there.

MaineStrength's picture

Good catch, you're right.  But, it's a lot less of a snub if there's only one.  You can infer that basically all they're saying is he isn't the #1 position coach.  And honestly, I don't know much about McGee.  I'd have a hard time putting him ahead of Johnson, but I know the B1G assistants much better than the SEC ones.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Ryan Day is going to be a star as a head coach. I'm delighted to hear him talk positively about being at Ohio State long term.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Being a coach is like being a politician: you learn to tell the people what they want to hear, which isn’t always what you believe or intend to do (not meant to be a political statement, just any analogy for how people in two highly visible positions go about managing expectations so no one needs to go on a bender). But Day got one thing right: there’s no doubt about how massive Buckeye Nation is—Berkeley in 2013 taught me that. Win and you can be king of Ohio State for life. I also wonder if he cringed reading his brother dropping F-bombs?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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The Rill Dill's picture

Maybe Ryan drops a lot of them himself.

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

I love what he said: "this is a bigger job than the Patriots. You can be anywhere in the country and there are Buckeyes everywhere. This is the biggest and best job in football.”

Made my chest stick out with pride and put tears in my eyes.  He said what we all feel.

I hope he stays for a LOOONG TIME.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The Athlon list is interesting. I can’t imagine that process, much less writing about each school’s situation. I couldn’t help but notice how many transfers are on the list, and that many of them held Ohio State offers as high schoolers. It’s obviously very arbitrary—in many cases, the writer is guessing who the starter will be—but I couldn’t help but notice a candidate for the 2019 all-name team:

103. Buckshot Calvert, Liberty

Plus a few others:

85. Zach Smith, Tulsa

79. N’Kosi Perry, Miami

31. Desmond Ridder, Cincinnati

28. Joe Burrow, LSU

9. Adrian Martinez, Nebraska

7. Shea Patterson, Michigan

2. Trevor Lawrence, clemson

1. Tua Tagovailoa, Alabama

Tua has no doubt had a great career but I’m not sure many people would rank him over Lawrence. Clemson’s soft schedule virtually guarantees he’s in New York in December.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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lamplighter's picture

do you think that Zach Smiths podcasts will interfere with his QB duties at Tulsa?

Too soon?
 

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Exile's picture

Always hard to separate the player from the team, but I thought the Georgia game exposed Tua as not being as big as hyped. He benefits from the supporting cast and the soft schedule. 

And yeah, no. Wouldn't take Shea Patterson over Justin Fields. But there's a few things that goes into that: 1) we've seen SheaP and all I saw was an above-average QB (whereas Fields is all possibility, based a lot on how highly he was recruited) and 2) SheaP has got to be a hell of a lot closer to his ceiling than Justin Fields is--he might be better than he was last year, but I think we all feel like the sky's the limit for Fields in Day's system with our coaching staff. I can understand the ranking though: production over potential. Don't necessarily agree with it, but can't muster any outrage. 

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LCT's picture

Radiohead is probably the most self-indulgent band of all time.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Not that I ever created a list but if I did, I’d put Asia near the top—they purposely chose a name that started with A so they’d be at the beginning of the album racks in music stores. They’ve been generally categorized as a commercial enterprise that had zero chemistry between its members, which may be why I never cared for them—even their sound felt contrived and unauthentic. To me, that makes it sound like they cared more about making money than good music. YES, they weren’t.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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RBurgundy4's picture

Interesting take, LCT. They're up there. Upon reading your comment my ind immediately went to Primus. 

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LCT's picture

I don't know enough about Primus to agree or disagree, but here's what they're competing against in Radiohead:

"Leaking" *18 hours* of recording scraps from an album released *over 20 years ago* to "benefit" some Climate Change protest outfit.

Holy crap.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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RBurgundy4's picture

LOL. Yeah, I was thinking musically and not much else. The full scope is tough to beat. Reminiscent of the South Park Episode "More Crap". If you've never seen it, do yourself a favor and watch it. Brilliant.

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LCT's picture

Is that Bono? He's up there, no doubt. That son of a bitch is in love with himself.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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RBurgundy4's picture

Is that Bono? He's up there, no doubt. That son of a bitch is in love with himself.

Yes, and that's largely what the episode is about. Hysterical. 

FTR, I think OK Computer is excellent music. Not defending the 18 hour leak and all that, which is silly, but the album itself is pretty great.

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LCT's picture

Totally agree.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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LCT's picture

Not even tunes -- all the crap that didn't even make the album

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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J-Buck's picture

Depending on how you define "self indulgent", I'm not sure Primus fits.  Sure, Les Claypool does whatever the hell he wants with respect to albums, concerts, and side projects, but he is a rare talent on the bass and has played with some of the most ridiculously talented folks, both within and outside of his genre.  I, for one, am glad he indulges himself!

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RBurgundy4's picture

I am a Claypool fan, J. Monster talent. Strange as hell. Artist.

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AC1972's picture

Fields at 8 feels right, but Shea Patterson at 7 feels wrong. I get that Justin hasn't taken a snap for the Buckeyes, but would you trade Shea for Justin?  I think no. 

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blueblazer22's picture

My first thought at seeing the list as well. Fields behind a bunch of guys who have played and won more is fine, but behind Shea? I just don’t see it. That is like having JimBaugh ahead of Day on a coaching list: Day hasn’t done a ton to deserve being higher, but would you take the goof up north over him? No. And nobody in their right mind would take Patterson over Fields. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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lamplighter's picture

Late, eh

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MN Buckeye's picture

The cover photo looks like LJ and Jack Sawyer are getting ready to do some yard work.

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Nutinpa's picture

I can forgive or "put in context" a lot of polls and rankings when it comes to college football.  But under no scenario can I forgive or explain away the omission of LJ from a list of best coordinators or position coaches in college football.  I can better accept the Buckeyes being out of the preseason top 15 this coming season than leaving LJ off of any lists. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Fields at 8 feels weird, but also feels like it's pretty close to correct.

On one hand, he has never been a consistent starter. On the other, he looked really good in his snaps at UGA last year, and he didn't have nearly as prolific a coach calling the shots as he does now with Day.

If what we saw was a flash of his potential, I think Day can turn him into a game changer. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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prdoctor's picture

Just imagine the sodium rain that would fall in Cincinnati if Ohio State ever seriously considered having a victory parade there.

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buckz4evr's picture

Just shows Day doesn't totally get it, yet but he does appear to embrace Buckeye Nation

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Bringthejuice's picture

On the contrary...I get the feeling Mr. Day plans to own Cincinnati

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Major H's picture

The French town of Bozouls looks like a great place for one of MiamiBuckeye's horror stories. 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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MaineStrength's picture

If Fields' name is still among those at the end of the season, the Buckeyes will have done just fine.

With Patterson listed at #7 and Fields listed at #8 nationally, sometimes I think they just want to see the two fanbases bicker.  

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Knarcisi's picture

 No one will argue with you. There’s preseason lists and postseason lists. You guys are often high on one, and it’s not the one that counts. 

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MaineStrength's picture

There’s preseason lists and postseason lists. You guys are often high on one, and it’s not the one that counts. 

I try to think in terms of "us" and "you" as none of us play for anyone...we're just fans watching for entertainment, but I know it's easy to say.  But, I wouldn't go that far.  I can see that for team rankings.  Blue bloods like UM, ND, etc. usually get preferential treatment for preseason rankings.  OSU would too even if it didn't live up to the hype as it has in recent history.  Non-blue bloods like MSU won't enjoy the same.  It's just the nature of beast.  But, in terms of individual player recognization like this one I don't see that as the case.  Devin Bush got some preseason hype and lived up to it.  Gary & Bosa both suffered injuries and didn't.  Dobbins & Higdon were both on the Doak Walker preseason lists.  Neither were finalists, but Higdon was a semifinalist and Dobbins was not.  I think UM has done fairly well on post-season individual when compared to their preseason counterparts.

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Berg2004's picture

I find it funny that TTUN’s QB who is a 2-year starter for them (plus how many ever he had at Ole Miss) and he’s slotted only one place ahead of our guy. Shea is such a hoser!

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MaineStrength's picture

If I was a betting man I'd bet Shea has better passing numbers this year and Fields has better rushing numbers.  I'm a bit surprised Fields is that high, but they are basically going off recruiting profile and OSU's offense.  Patterson has a larger body of work, but he is still also a bit of a projection based on what they expect Gattis to do differently with him.  Last year they were more cautious with him throwing.  I expect that to change in 2019.  

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IGotAWoody's picture

They were cautious with him for a reason. If you can't earn the trust of your coaches, that should tell the fan base a lot - probably more than they want to hear.

Also, I'd take that bet.

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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MaineStrength's picture

They were cautious with him for a reason. If you can't earn the trust of your coaches, that should tell the fan base a lot - probably more than they want to hear.

I think you are correct that they were cautious with him for a reason, but I think you are incorrect on what that reason was.  I believe it was a concern for the tackles to hold up to the pass rushes in their offense last year which involved more slower developing routes.  I expect that to improve incrementally this year, but I also expect a lot more short passes with shorter drops and trying to get the ball out quickly.

Also, I'd take that bet.

Deal!  We'll have to remember to come back and discuss at the end of the regular season for bragging rights.  So, are you saying you think Fields will both pass and rush for more yards or just pass?

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IGotAWoody's picture

You said simply that Shea would have better passing numbers - I'd bet that Fields will have better numbers. Which means not that Fields will pass for more yards (he could, but that's not what I'd expect), but that Fields will have better completion % and have a better TD to INT ratio.

And yes, I think Fields will rush for more yards, and will very likely end up with more total yardage (passing+rushing). This is based on Fields having greater overall talent (his arm is fantastic - assuming Shea has a better arm is a mistake) and playing in a better, proven offensive system (Day>Gattis).

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MaineStrength's picture

I'd bet that Fields will have better numbers. Which means not that Fields will pass for more yards (he could, but that's not what I'd expect), but that Fields will have better completion % and have a better TD to INT ratio.

Mental note made.  We'll come back to this friendly wager for bragging rights at the end of the season for who has the better completion percentage and TD to INT ratio.

I think Fields will rush for more yards, and will very likely end up with more total yardage (passing+rushing)

That one wouldn't surprise me, so I'll stick with the above bet.

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BuckeyeJAK's picture

Dawand should stroll over and introduce himself to Mr. Holtman. Who knows......

Mark May is a mental midget

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UncleWilly14's picture

Maybe not so much Oden (sorry?), but if Sulinger jumps back on the squad with Deshaun Thomas I can see them making a run at a championship. Thomas' game should flourish is this level of play. I can't see too many guys being able to stop him offensively if Sulinger is on the floor demanding double teams.

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Dstacify's picture

There's an easy answer for why Day would choose OSU over the Patriots. Once Brady and Belichick decide to move on from football the Pats won't be the same team and will likely be headed for the Dark Ages (which were in full bloom prior to them turning to Brady back in 2001). The Pats have never been a team that's built on elite talent across the roster (with the exception of 2007 when they had Randy Moss and Wes Welker) because Belichick doesn't need elite talent at every position with the way he coaches. That's not gonna be the case with whoever his successor is, especially if that new coach doesn't have a Tom Brady at QB with the ability to defy age and carry his team to Super Bowls every year.

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Sunny Buck's picture

I remember the late 1970's when Bobby Bowden developed Fla State into a national power. Bobby was born and raised in Alabama and everyone kept waiting for him to go home to coach the Tide, especially during those lean years when Bama was average. Seems like every couple of years his name was brought up as the next great coach in Tuscaloosa.

Well, it never happened. He was very successful and happy coaching the Seminoles for the rest of his career.

Dabo Swinney is wildly successful and the Clemson program does not appear to be slowing down. The more successful he becomes, the harder it will be for him to leave. Obviously, he could jump to Bama but it's not a sure thing.

Ryan Day might just be so successful and happy at Ohio State that he will stay for a long time. Let's hope so.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. I'm trying to win football games-- Woody Hayes

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Colortv1967's picture

Good article but Day will not be at OSU more than three years. 

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Kernfan's picture

If Day wins 2 championships in his first 10 years at OSU, fans will probably love him, at New England they would probably want to roast him.  Urban has 3 championships, but only one was at OSU so Day has a chance to win the fan base for OSU.  It will be damn near impossible to keep the fans happy in New England, or Bama for that matter, after these runs.  That's why I would guess he stays, but he may love pros that much, may hate recruiting, or any other reason he would up and leave.  Or just have another fake scandal that pisses him off and he is happy to go elsewhere.

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bishop072's picture

"The good news is, if football doesn't work, he'd be the most sought-after bouncer free agent in Columbus bar history."

Oh Kevin. It is time to for you to worship at the altar of 'Roadhouse'. "Bouncers" are barbarians, "Coolers" however are the control rods to the nuclear reactors that are Columbus' establishments of imbibing...

 

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