[Almost Ashamed to Admit It, but I'm Really Enjoying Zack Smith's Podcast] Menace2Society

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Buckeye4life23's picture

I am loving it too surprisingly, fascinating perspective into CFB

I am here for the same reason you are.

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TNBuckeye1421's picture

The look behind the curtain is really interesting. To hear how certain things went down both on the field and in recruiting is something that should give this podcast some life... it will be interesting to see if he can maintain a relevant audience once he has exhausted his stories, but so far it has been really good.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

DJ is going to be on soon. Should be a good one

Feed the trolls

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Silver Sniper's picture

DJ completely melting down on Twitter. I didn’t even catch the DJ shade from ZS but it really got to him. Not a good look for someone trying to pursue representation of people.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

DJ's entire twitter existence is kinda one big melt down. He couldn't be more obnoxiously arrogant if he tried. ZS didn't really throw any shade. All he really said was that DJ has a pretty dark past as well and managed to change. Perhaps he shouldn't be throwing stones from inside his glass house. And its tough to disagree with that take. When Zack Smith confronts you and he looks like the level headed one, it might be time to step back and re-evaluate your approach to some things.

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kmp10's picture

Not sure why this would surprise anyone. Byrnes comes off as petulance and arrogance personified, at least to me, and though Zach Smith had his moments of absurdity and was a protected class under Meyer, next to Byrnes, Smith seems almost discriminating... which says far more about DJ's lack of perspective than it says anything favorable about Smith's. I'm of the belief that Smith got screwed with regard to the "domestic abuse" lies told by his loony ex and the witch hunt initiated by the media, but Byrnes was on board the 'Zach Smith beats women' train before any proof ever existed... and proof still doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, Courtney's own flesh and blood mother called Courtney a vindictive liar, so...

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

...next to Byrnes, Smith seems almost discriminating

Discerning?

Byrnes was on board the <insert allegation here> train before any proof ever existed

The mark of a true politician

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I get it, KMP, you don't like me. Hell, last time you teed off on me you said I was a bigger disgrace to Ohio State than Zach Smith, who was promptly arrested two weeks later at an elementary school while wearing an Ohio State shirt. "Moment of absurdity," indeed.

If you spent 10 seconds googling, you would get the proof you need, not that you would choose to believe it. Here's one example of Zach admitting to choking his ex-wife twice:

Here's some more reading for you:

​Anyway, tune in next week to your boy's podcast. I've done my research (just offering you a small sample here), and I'll be back for your apology shortly thereafter.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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kmp10's picture

First, Zach Smith is FAR from my "boy." Second, I don't know you anymore than the man in the moon, so it isn't necessarily you that I dislike, rather it's your writing, which is filled with hubris and conceit, at least from my perspective. Whether or not you're actually as arrogant in your daily life as you appear to be in your writing (and social media posts) is unknown to me, but either way, when you're a fringe public figure, as you are as a former writer for this site and a person who ran for public office, and you openly and gleefully attack people from your public platform who clearly reside under your skin but who've yet to be found guilty of the very serious crimes being alleged, well, that's going to rub some people the wrong way, especially those you're condemning who staunchly deny any wrongdoing. None of us know what happened between the Smiths, but you've judged, juried, and convicted Zach Smith as if you do know something, and while those of us on here were/are free to opine and take sides as anonymous posters on a forum page, you had a much greater obligation to be neutral, imo, but you (and Michael Arace) proceeded to lambaste Zach Smith as if you had a front row seat to the alleged pummeling of his ex-wife. In retaliation, he pointed out things about your past... wrongdoings, as I understand it, for which you had actually faced charges, unlike Smith. The bottom line is that I don't care for writers, ESPN/11W/Dispatch/et al, who've been given a public platform on which to opine and who proceed as if they have no duty to at least approach being somewhat fair and impartial, and that was your modus operandi as a columnist, and it continued to be your approach on social media as someone involved in a political election. As suggested, I will tune in to hear what is certain to be the podcasting equivalent of a bad freeway accident, but don't hold your breath for an apology. I will, however, apologize to Courtney Smith if it's ever proven that Zach Smith actually beat her, as she alleges, because I despise bullies of all kinds, which is probably why I feel about your writing as I do... to me, you're a bully using his bully pulpit to influence public opinion and drive your personal points of view, and you did it/do it in the haughtiest manner possible. 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

It's funny to me that you think I can bully somebody who is older, more famous, and has more money than me. Say what you want about my writing, I only punch up. (Feel free to point to someone other than Zach Smith you feel I have bullied.) Some people like it, other people don't. I can and always have lived with it.

The thing that Zach forgets to mention — all charges against me were dismissed, which is why he can only use an infactual article from over a decade ago against me and not anything like court documents like I have against him. For example, in just his last episode, he admitted to pleading guilty to a DUI at the "young" age of 27. He has assault faced plenty of charges in the past, including felony assault of his pregnant ex-wife. But we'll get to that later.

And as far as "using" his bully pulpit... he is the one who initially invited me on. He thinks I'm an internet tough guy, but the thing about me is I don't hide my opinions behind an internet alias. I say what I say. And anybody I have a problem with, I will gladly say to their face, as you will see next week.

The idea I roll around attacking people, as if that's my only trick, is comical. I wouldn't have lasted here for five+ years if that were the case. Obviously I went into politics and that makes people feel some type of way, which again, is the name of the game. As for my social media persona, you obviously don't pay that much attention anymore. I primarily post about cats and make dumb jokes these days.

Zach Smith has used his platform to attack his ex-wife, his family members, Urban Meyer (the only guy who would ever give him a chance), Ed Warinner, hell he threw Dan Mullen under the bus this week. But me, the obscure blogger, is the bully for calling him on his bullshit? Get a grip. You don't know what I know. But don't worry, you will soon.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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SilverState's picture

Timely tweet guys:

"Year for what?"

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

You (or rather Tressel and MLK) are dead right, Silver, which is why I had washed that water under the bridge (eye for an eye and all that). But this latest broadside has pushed us to the current precipice. As the street-philosopher Marlo Stanfield said, "My name is my name."

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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SilverState's picture

Yeah, I understand wanting to defend your name.  In what situations do you just follow Tywin's advice though?

"Year for what?"

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Frankly, Silver, I'm just honored to have my name and a boss like Tywin Lannister mentioned in the same sentence. Never would have guessed that a potshot tweet not even naming ZS to my 2,000 followers would have led to this. Lesson learned, I suppose.

Hope you're well, my friend.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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GetBuckedUp's picture

The comical part of this post is the 4th paragraph. You absolutely do roll around attacking people and your twitter proves it. Hell, I was one that was personally attacked by you when I didn't say anything negative about you. 

I can also find probably multiple other examples on your twitter exchanges where you immediately resort to bullying someone by making fun of the way they look.

 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I feel like any claim of me attacking you should probably include what I said for context? I don't even know who you are, so I sincerely doubt I went out of my way to attack some Twitter rando—unless of course you chirped at me first.

If people come into my mentions acting aggressive, hell yeah I'll dunk on your ass. Go ahead and make fun of my looks, I don't care. Here's a starter: There are bombed roads in Iraq that are in better condition than my hairline. You can't say anything to me that my friends haven't said 100x worse.

So yeah, the idea I go around punching down on random Twitter users for their looks without cause is comical, which is why you didn't list any examples.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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GetBuckedUp's picture

I would let you know what you said but all your tweets are deleted in the conversation.

 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

When was this on my old account? Who popped off first, you or me? Need context.

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TNBuckeye1421's picture

Charges dropped and you being involved in something are two completely different things there buddy. 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Oh, no doubt. But I had nothing to do with what transpired, which is why charges were ultimately dismissed against me. Nonetheless, it was the wakeup call I needed at the time. I was 19, and I readily admit I wasn't a good person. Since then, I have admitted my mistakes and worked every day to prove I am not that person. Given that I'm at home with a cat sleeping on my lap and another on my feet with no criminal charges hanging over my head, I'd like to think I made a modicum in change in my lifestyle and associations.

If you want to hold that against me, that's your right. I accepted long ago that to some people I will always be a 19-year-old punk. These days, I concentrate on what I can change. Not what I can't.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Did you really just use a Twitter post from Brett McMurphy to back up your argument?  I didn't realize there were people out there that would still do that.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Say what you want about McMurphy, the text is legitimate. If it weren't ZS would have sued him. So argue on the merits, not the messenger.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

You and Brett have no idea what context that Zach sent that text in (or if he actually sent it), it was also provided to Brett by someone with very little credibility.  Not sure how you can say its legitimate given its only available via screenshot, hell it could of been doctored.  Given the source it wouldn't surprise me if it was.  Given Brett has less credibility than his source, using anything he says to back up your argument is foolish. 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

If Brett McMurphy forged a text message in which Zach admitted to choking his ex-wife twice, that's an open and shut defamation case. 

Also not really sure there is any other context for a guy saying "I know" and "I'm so sorry" when accused of choking your ex-wife. I'd be open to hearing that argument if that were the only piece of evidence suggested. There are three other links that I posted, though. Add them all together and it's a pretty damning picture.

Just as a general warning, you guys are taking an inveterate liar at his word. 

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

Dude, I think, wait, I KNOW, you are letting your emotions rule your thoughts relating to ZS. I think the man is an idiot who squandered away an opportunity most of us only dream of, but somehow you're making him look like the mature one. Others have touched on this already, so I will focus on 1) The text message which you think PROVES he beat his wife and 2) your COMPLETE disregard for anything that actually says he didn't beat his wife.

1) As others have stated, we have NO IDEA whatsoever of the context of that text conversation. As anyone younger than 60 understands, what you saw as his response..."I know" and "I am so sorry" could have easily been in response to something that we didn't see in that one screenshot. But for some reason this is PROOF, yet, the police chose not to charge him with anything related to beating his wife.

2) While you cling to that text message, and other circumstantial at best evidence, you IGNORE that her own mother thinks she's a pathological liar out to ruin ZS. How can you cling to some evidence, yet ignore other evidence?

3) You bring up his arrest at his kids school, but leave out the part where it was clearly a set up by his crazy ex-wife(now he was also dumb for going to the school).

Look, I'm NOT saying he did not hit her, but given everything that's come out it's just as likely he didn't hit her as he did. The only people who will ever truly know are two crazy people who keep choosing to put their kids through this crazy circus.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

1) I didn't present the text message as the only singular piece of evidence. It was presented with three other links, one of which included photos. Not to mention, those are far from the only clips in my chamber.

2) I'm not "clinging" to anything. Again, I posted three other pieces of evidence including pictures and Powell detectives wanting Smith charged with felony assault. I'm also well aware of Courtney's mother's position. We will discuss that next week. I'll just say families are often complicated matters, and Courtney Smith wouldn't be the first person to ever have an estranged relationship with their mother.

3) Have you listened to the 9-11 calls from that incident? Probably not. If you did, you would know the school guidance counselor called the cops first, not Courtney. The fact you think he was "set up" is hilarious when he willfully violated a protection order and refused to leave the school. That's not being "set up" ... that's being an idiot.

ZS is not the victim. He never has been. He never will be.

In so far as my emotions, yes I take this personally. How could I not? Zach launched another broadside on me a month and a half after we took our shots at each other. Now, he has said he will invite me on the podcast. We'll see who is the emotional one in this matter once it comes to pass. In the meantime, I would just say text comes across harsher than words in real life.

I just ask you hold judgment until you hear the podcast. Because until then, I refuse to accept the notion that I'm not as mature as the guy who got arrested at an elementary school last month and is facing six months in jail.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

3) Have you listened to the 9-11 calls from that incident? Probably not. If you did, you would know the school guidance counselor called the cops first, not Courtney. The fact you think he was "set up" is hilarious when he willfully violated a protection order and refused to leave the school. That's not being "set up" ... that's being an idiot.

Exactly, he WAS being a moron and should have known better than to violate a court order. But, do you know WHY he was there? His bat crap crazy ex, who is using her children as a means to hurt her ex, deserves some of the blame here. Perhaps if she had dropped the kids off as was agreed, he wouldn't have gone to the school. It's funny how you keep blaming one person, yet absolving another of any blame.

And come on man, you're smart guy. If you can't see why you're coming across a little petty and making others "defend" someone whom you deem to be the scum of the earth, then I don't know what to tell you.

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McBane's picture

Comment removed for violating the site's commenting policy.

Just keep winning!

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

The problem is you're taking Zach's word at face value. In this scenario, it's the "bat shit crazy ex" who is "using the children as a means to hurt her ex," and not the insane guy who showed up at a school and refused to leave, resulting in getting arrested in front of said kids.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

The problem is you're taking Zach's word at face value.

And you are doing the EXACT same thing, only with Courtney. You refuse to connect the dots or realize that where there's smoke there's fire. This isn't the first time she has pulled something like this, either. Almost all of your "evidence" against ZS comes from the mouth of a woman that doesn't appear to be any less crazy than her ex-husband.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

You don't know my sources and you don't know who I have talked to. You don't know what I know. You're just assuming I'm taking somebody's word at face value when I'm not. I could launch what I have right here; it would break brains, but it wouldn't be fair to Zach. He has a right to defend himself, and I want to give him that opportunity.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

No one is taking Zach's word at face value, we're just not taking Courtney's word at face value.  One of the greatest things about this country is that You, me and even Zach Smith are innocent until proven guilty.  He hasn't been proven guilty by a long shot, so calling him a wife beater is the same as calling you an armed robber who likes to tie up women.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

That would be fair if I were connected to multiple robberies over a course of a decade and yet denied any wrong doing and accused my victims of actually being the crime-doers trying to set me up in an elaborate scheme.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

All he's denied is beating his wife, he's copped to the other stuff.  You're sitting here copping to being a punk 19 year old, yet denying you robbed and/or bound a woman.  Same thing, except Zach's actually never been charged.  Also, if you look at the details around both his Criminal Trespass charges objectively its obvious what she was doing.  Those 2 events are part of what undermines her credibility.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

This is my last post on this thread, and you guys can downvote me into oblivion.

1) I never robbed/bound a woman. I was never in the drug dealer's shack when that transpired. Had I been in that house or did anything of which you accuse me, I would have gone to prison like the other seven people who did. Your argument is based on an infactual article published over a decade ago.

2) Smith was arrested and charged with aggravated battery on his pregnant wife in 2009. This is an undeniable fact.

So yeah, two pretty big swings and misses at the bedrock of your post. Pardon me if I don't trust your "objective" analysis of the criminal trespassing incident, which he pled guilty to. 

Now, if you gentlemen would like the last word, it is yours to take. And to the stickers I'm about to lose... We'll meet again in-season when this sordid saga is long past us and Ryan Day has the Buckeyes rolling. Adios, mi amigos.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Wargor's picture

I don't think infactual is a word.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Ok, I lied: Last post... I'm trying my hardest here, Wargor. Work with me, baby!

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Yeah, I didn't accuse you of anything.  Reread my post a couple more times and maybe the meaning will sink in.

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CincyOSU's picture

Look at what CT just said. It's CLEAR there is some kind of weird vendetta pushing this as you're appearing to be incapable of looking at this situation without any bias. And you're wondering why YOU are the one that's starting to lose credibility.

Also, regarding your "smoking guns"...are we supposed to believe you have sources that NO ONE else has spoken to throughout this VERY public ordeal? And, what you don't understand, is that it is STILL just he said she said.

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Knarcisi's picture

There are three other links that I posted, though.

Those links are still just her accusations. And the photos sure look to me like someone that had been crying, screaming, and likely drinking. And may have gotten her arms grabbed, possibly after hitting him. 

There may have been abuse, but sorry, you’re reaching here. 

And I really find it hard to believe that no one, not her mother, a relative, or friend, has corroborated her story. 

And holy shit, I can’t believe I’m having this discussion a year later. 

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I'll leave it at this. It's not just text messages and police believed her. Zach would have been charged if not for the cowardice of the Delaware County Prosecutor who didn't want to risk his career on a DV case against an OSU coach without video evidence (such is how it goes in DV cases):

In those videos, Courtney Smith reported that Zach Smith had shoved her the night before but had hurt her worse previously — including cutting her hand on a tobacco can during an argument, grabbing her off the ground by her throat during a vacation in Punta Canta in the Dominican Republic and throwing her across the room when the pair was living in Florida and she was pregnant.

She also described a threatening message she said she received during a text conversation with Zach Smith the week prior, in which she felt he was threatening her in response to her confronting him about one of his alleged affairs. Reading from her cellphone, she reported to the officer that Zach Smith told her: “I’ll (expletive) kill you, I’ll destroy you.”

In the video, Powell police Officer Ben Boruchowitz is shown speaking with Courtney Smith about the abuse and intermittently leaving the room to consult via telephone with local prosecutors. Boruchowitz expressed concern for her safety but said police could not take action on the allegations of abuse that she said occurred in Florida or Punta Canta.

In one of those phone conversations, Boruchowitz expressed his concern to a prosecutor for Courtney Smith’s safety due to Zach Smith’s alleged threats to kill her.

“She’s petrified, and I really believe her,” he said. ”... Based on the degree of violence that he’s done against her, you and I both know when there’s strangling and choking and those kinds of violence, (they) are pretty good indicators that there’s a high chance he may actually follow through with it.”

Lastly, I'll again reiterate that these aren't the only bullets in my clip. But I'm saving the rest for the podcast, as poker players do. You guys can make your judgments then.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

Lastly, I'll again reiterate that these aren't the only bullets in my clip. But I'm saving the rest for the podcast, as poker players do. You guys can make your judgments then.

Unless it's irrefutable evidence, that you can back up with clear documentation, then it's nothing more than he said she said...and given how you've acted over the last few days not many people are going to believe you. But if you're going to throw out a bunch of hearsay, please, save yourself the embarrassment.

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

CIncy, at this point I could post a video and people will say "it could have been doctored" or "I don't know the context." That said, the embarrassment won't be mine.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

CIncy, at this point I could post a video and people will say "it could have been doctored" or "I don't know the context." That said, the embarrassment won't be mine.

Come on man, you're just deflecting now and distorting what people have been saying. You're better than this.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

What if Courtney forged the text message and sent it to Brett?  Her own mother says she's lying, is it far fetched that she would do that?

As for it being true because Zach didn't sue, Zach didn't sue Brett for the article about him being racist and racially berating Trevon Grimes either.  Are we to believe that article is true and Parris Campbell and Johnny Dixon are covering for Zach because Zach didn't sue Brett?

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Again, I would say that families are complicated things. Courtney Smith isn't the first nor last person in the world to be estranged from their mother. And the mother isn't the only one in her family. Have you considered how her sisters and father feel about the situation? After all, Zach's sisters are on Courtney's side.

As for why she would go against her daughter, I've heard some things. We'll broach that topic, I'm sure. As for the racist stuff, well, tune in next week for that, too. Until then I really can't say much more. People have their opinions, which is their right, but at this point don't say I didn't warn you.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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McBane's picture

Oh, DJ...how could you?

Just keep winning!

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Your forgery has one flaw, McBane. Everybody knows I'm in Brett's phonebook as "Sweet Daddy."

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Hovenaut's picture

Don't worry...the timestamp and battery level were also dead giveaways.

Be well, DJ...keep that offseason at bay.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Hovenaut's picture

McBanter's attention to detail knows no bounds.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

Hola, Hove. Doing my best. These guys downvoting me against 11W policy are doing their best to ruin my fragile psyche, though :'(

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Hovenaut's picture

The offseason octagon is real, but it's no Hotel California.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, mirrors on the ceiling wouldn't make much sense.  

That's what you were going for, right? ;)

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Hovenaut's picture

I got gif happy there, but tried in earnest.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Say what you want about McMurphy, the text is legitimate. If it weren't ZS would have sued him. So argue on the merits, not the messenger.

Yes, "the text is legitimate."  Apparently, most of the media thought this was hard "evidence," without considering context.  

Btw, McMurphy's credibility is complete garbage.  Credibility and integrity are essential for reporting, and he has "proven" he possesses neither virtues.  For you to defend him as just a messenger and to argue this text as proof, is quite embarrassing.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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TNBuckeye1421's picture

Bro if you really committed a robbery in which you bound someone... screw off. You have zero room to talk about someone else... you should just stay silent. Hello Pot!

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I never bound anybody in my life. All charges against me were dismissed, as I have stated numerous times. 

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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CincyOSU's picture

All charges against me were dismissed, as I have stated numerous times. 

So, we're supposed to give you the benefit of the doubt but not others???

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

I'm not asking for the benefit of the doubt. I have admitted my wrongs numerous times (see above). I never played the victim card. Though I didn't do what I was accused of, I was definitely a young punk who was headed nowhere fast.

I just ask people be factually correct when whipping me with past mistakes. 

Now, if I had been connected to various robberies for the last decade and was up here denying any wrong doing, using the hashtag "#NotMe," and launching a podcast to discredit my accusers and sicking my internet mob on them then you may have made the point you think you did.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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HonorDefend's picture

Ah, the todays journalism proof.   Not saying choking did or did not happen.  But this text message sequence proves nothing and certainly not an ADMITTANCE by Zach.   She claims it.  He says "I know' and "I'm so sorry"  but does not say to what.  The first sentence she mentions 'cheating'   he has admitted to that.  So that could very easily what his comments refer to.

And in other text you basically said why on earth would anyone say "I'm so sorry" if it wasn't true.  Well besides my comment above - have you ever argued/debated with someone and they are sooo stupid you just finally say "ok, yeh your right. Sorry"   just to move on with your life.  I think most of us have at some point. 

You say you were not charged for what you were accused of.   Then you want to throw around the only reason Zach wasn't was because the Prosecutor was a chicken shit.  How do the rest of us know that was not the case of why you were not charged? 

It doesn't matter and I don't care.  It just seems pretty hypocritical of someone who is trying hard to convince us you were in a similar situation as ZS.   I don't have any idea who you are, but just from reading your comments in this post it sure does not seem you have come very far from the punk you say you were at 19. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

this text message sequence proves nothing and certainly not an ADMITTANCE by Zach. 

This is a great point that has not been touched on enough.

The screenshot of this text has always been the 'most damning" piece of "evidence" that Bret McMurphy and ESPN reported on, yet it gives us absolutely nothing.   We don't know the context of Zach Smith's intentions.  Was he being sincere or was he being condescending in the text?  Was he trying to deal with an irrational child by agreeing with her absurd accusations?  Was this sarcasm on ZS's part?

Is the media too stupid to ask these questions or is it too one-sided?  Maybe a little of both? 

DJ Byrnes, have you ever wondered about the context of that text exchange?  Maybe you can ask Zach Smith on the podcast about it?

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CincyBuck's picture

Agreed.  I mean, I definitely would categorize bringing-up someone's past criminal history (here, DJ's alleged participation in a robbery scheme) as shade. 

But, man, engaging with Smith is an absolutely terrible idea.  Dude has very little, if anything, to lose.  And it seems he has an unreasonably high opinion of himself still to this day.  That's a dangerous dancing partner.

If DJ were to come out and vehemently deny the allegations, okay.  If not, well...  no way he comes out looking good from starting this conversation.

All of that said, I've enjoyed Smith's podcast so far.  Some interesting stories, to be sure, and his comments and Warriner have provided some closure (if that's the right word...?) on the 2015 season.  And Smith seems to be giving his honest (albeit biased) takes on various topics.  Which is refreshing, since I was worried this was just a vehicle for him to grind his several axes... 

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TNBuckeye1421's picture

DJ will be a *ichigan man by Monday...

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D.J. Byrnes's picture

TNBuckeye, this is more offensive than that time a commenter called me a Great Lakes Clay Travis, lmao.

Los Angeleno by birth; Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

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Sanantonefan's picture

Dem's fightin' words.

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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DuckBuck's picture

I like it but I get annoyed at the constant "...I don't want to get into it, more on that topic in a future episode." I get why, but he does that a bit too often for my taste. 

 
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Spartan13's picture

Yeah they bring up interesting topics and just don't talk about them, and I imagine they are pretty disorganized so some of the topics may never be discussed 

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Silver Sniper's picture

He actually drops quite a few bombs per episode. He can’t blow his entire wad all at once. 

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BrutusB's picture

Yea I’m gonna pass. He’s not really someone I’m interested in supporting financially.  I’m sure if anything noteworthy actually comes out there will be 200 forum posts, so I’ll just click on one of those. 

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GunnerBuck's picture

Why because someone accused him of something? LOL!

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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cvillebuckeye65's picture

ehh, Zach has dug himself his own grave throughout the process as well. Regardless of her accusing him.

TUN SUCKS!!!

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

4 downvotes because he said he didn't want to listen to a podcast? 

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

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erniefurgler's picture

I get what you're saying, but he was making $400K as an OSU assistance and definitely isn't gonna pull in that kinda coin via this Podcast....so I'd venture to guess we fans "supported" him more financially in his previously life than we ever could now.   I've listened to all the episodes & do find it interesting...peek behind the curtain type of show

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Remington2323's picture

Let him let it rip tater chip. 

p.s. This Mod stuff just needs to chill. It’s the off-season and no need to minimize discussion over interesting material. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

It appears that the thread remains, so not sure the problem.

I think the point is that there is already a topic on the subject with active discussion. But that one already has 140 comments, so it would eventually be closed if more discussion continued. If you haven’t noticed, a lot of new threads get started by around 300 comments just to improve loading time.

And, generally, if you want discussion, it’s better to lead a post with more than what amounts to a comment in another thread.

As for the title, it is always better to have more explanation. Menace2Society as a stand-alone title is weak as it just doesn’t give any idea about the thread. And it’s not difficult to add a few more words.

Memento mori

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Silver Sniper's picture

That topic was posted before the podcast launched. I’d consider that different than an opinion on it now that it has launched. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

That topic was posted before the podcast launched.

Yep. And one of the reasons why this specific thread was left up. We could have just changed the title on the other thread and directed comments there, but this stands. There are many comments in the other thread that say just what the OP said here, but hey, it was left to ride. 

The rest is just constructive criticism about making a forum topic.

Memento mori

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

I expected little more than drunk bitter ramblings about false accusations and such but from what I've heard he has some decent content. Still not really keen on supporting the guy. No matter what that situation will always be an embarrassment on the university.

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Eph97's picture

last episode was interesting. almost in passing he mentioned Dan Mullen had a dui and an illegitimate child. Bodied Donald by bringing up his "secret past" and glass houses and all. The part about college coaching life and OSU football is very fascinating, the parts about his feud with his ex are not.

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Silver Sniper's picture

It’s episode 2 that he absolutely annihilated Ed Warriner and I loved every second of it. 

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Silver: agreed. Zach's discussion of Warriner and the boondoogle of the 2015 offense has really helped me get over that lost season. That confirmed what Cardale  said about Warriner in the lettermanrow podcast a couple months ago.

Prior to that, I think Buckeye Nation blamed Beck for the mess in 2015 - so thank you Zach (and Cardale) for setting us straight. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

Agreed. Somehow I feel consoled to now know the truth about 2015-2016 and it allows me to direct my anger at EW. Also makes me wish Urban would not have promoted him like that. That was a very bad experiment. 

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OHinTN's picture

If what Smith says is true about Warriner, I can't figure out why the hell Meyer let this go on.  If Warriner was that incompetent, why not fire him or at least relieve him of his OC duties?  Was Meyer just trying to save face because he promoted him and didn't want to admit he was wrong?

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I think that has something to do with it, and if I remember correctly, Warriner was widely considered one of the top OL coaches (if not the best), and as a way to keep him on staff, he was made "Co-Offensive" Coordinator. You see it all the time with various coaches' titles changed (LJ, and various other Defensive coaches); however, in hindsight, Warriner clearly wasn't ready to be calling the plays.

Urban appears to have admitted he made a mistake by giving him play calling responsibilities, but he probably didn't realize Warriner wasn't up to the task until it was too late. Namely, they were probably a couple games into the season at which point Urban must have thought more damage would be done by replacing them than by maintaining the status quo. And you know what, he might be right - we will never know if team/coaching staff morale would have taken an unexpected hit or if the news would have created such news that it could have caused the team to be distracted.

Hindsight is 20/20, but Urban should have risked Ed walking rather than letting him call the plays.

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bdbrown66's picture

A great example of the Peter Principle...people getting promoted one grade above their competency level.

In my memory, I can't think of a great OL coach who went on to become a great OC or HC.  Maybe someone can remind me of someone who made the transition successfully.

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Smith said on one of the podcast episodes that it was very important to Urban to develop his coaches, and Urban’s tree definitely confirms this. It was the one where Smith talks about his annual eval (yeah, I know). Urban’s tree, not Smith’s words, prove the claim. So, Urban may have just thought he could develop Ed. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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BroJim's picture

I listen to the 4th episode. It was interesting to hear about the team dynamics and some of the other interesting stories/factoids.

I could do without the shade throwing and the Twitter tough guy nonsense. I don’t want to hear about family court, personal life, etc. 

It’s the off-season, so why not tune in? Some points are very entertaining, other are kinda sad because ZS doesn’t realize he is a turd. 

I season my simple food with hunger

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Buckeye0905's picture

How about the story about Percy Harvin no showing for an away game at U of South Carolina and not even being disciplined because of how good he was?

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stxbuck's picture

That does not speak well of Urban's character.........just sayin'...................

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earthpig's picture

I've found it pretty good.  I probably wouldn't drink beers with the guy..(there are plenty of folks who wouldn't drink a beer with me btw)  My point is you can learn by listening to all perspectives and form your own opinions.. In today's society those who control the narrative paint the picture.. 

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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MichiBuck12's picture

So far the podcast is at the very least interesting. I'm still not sure how much I believe any of the things he says though. When he announced he was doing this I thought this was going to be one or two unhinged drunken rants but its actually been surprisingly mild mannered. He has also been a lot more positive than I thought he would be. I expected him to spend the entire time ripping into people that he doesn't like. But he's actually spent quite a bit of time talking positively about some of the players and coaches he worked with. He also seems to have a better understanding of how people view him than I expected. I gave it a shot with extremely low expectations and have been pleasantly surprised by the quality so far. Having said that, and given his twitter history, I still think this thing could devolve into a shit show at any moment. I compared it to NASCAR. Its better than I expected but still not great. However there could be a huge wreck at any moment and I don't want to miss that.

 
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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

I have loved listening to the podcasts so far. It’s far from perfect. I’ll be the first to admit, I don’t know who or what Zach Smith is. As far as the allegations go obviously I want to believe him and I do to a certain extent, I just don’t know where the line is drawn. But I am definitely the type of person who believes in second chances and if my listenership to his podcast helps gives Zach a second chance in a new career path then by all means I’m for it. I think he’s really catching his stride and he’s an excellent story teller. It’s really easy to tell how this guy was such a great recruiter. He definitely oversells his abilities as a recievers coach and deflects some of the lack of production from Zone 6 at times onto others instead of taking ownership. But my goodness the value this guy brings as a recruiter is absolutely remarkable. He’s charismatic, witty, funny. He can relate to people. He talks to you on your level instead of his level. Every topic they have discussed so far has been extremely interesting. Really my only complaint about the show is the producing is absolutely horrendous. I get they have to tease some stuff for the next show, but do it at the end of the podcast instead of getting off on a tangent and then saying we’ll discuss this more in another episode. So just staying on topic a little more I believe would provide even more value to the show. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

I understand the teasing so as not to unload everything all at once. The only part that bothers me so far are the dudes that join him in the booth. They come off like “yes” men that don’t know what the hell they're talking about. 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I have enjoyed it.  But it's about the approach you take to it.  If you are using it for entertainment, then you should enjoy it.  I don't care if my click puts a few bucks in his pocket.  The guy still has kids to support (that are 100% innocent) so if i contribute to helping his kids at all with what they have been through, then I have no guilt.  

If you are nitpicking everything he says trying to pull truth and lies around every corner, well then you might as well do the same with every single podcast ever created....it's all opinion.

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NativeSon's picture

At times he comes across as very sincere and real person and then other times he seems kind of petty. I can see why he was a good recruiter. Its something that helps fill the college football void that I experience around this time of the offseason. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'm actually going to check it out today. Should be interesting, planning on also catching up in the car on my way to Myrtle Beach this upcoming next week. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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Cooper's picture

Every single coach in America is going to have interesting things to say about his time in college football. 

A lot of you are conflating your interest in those things he is saying with your opinion of him as a man.

I can’t tell if some of you are being conned by a conman or if you secretly have more in common with Smith than you’d like to think.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

Every single coach in America presumably can still get a job if they want. Zach Smith would never get another coaching job and wouldn’t have well before he started this podcast. The source of the information isn’t as important as the information itself. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Exactly. Every coach in America I'm sure has some crazy stories that us regular folk have no idea about. But they will never tell them. They say coaching is a brotherhood and that mostly involves not telling those stories. Zach was kicked out of that brotherhood. It really doesn't matter to me why or who was at fault for it. The point is, he has things to say and nobody to protect. A person with nothing to lose is a very dangerous person. And thats why I'm interested in what he's got to say. 

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

I'm kind of hoping for this to play out the way you describe above - ZS with nothing to lose and exposing programs and people (and the entire NCAA product).

I'd love to see some scoundrels lose their jobs and certain schools get cracked down.  Alas, it's not tattoos so it isn't likely to happen.

TeamGB

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stxbuck's picture

Be careful asking fans for psychological self reflection on 11W.............it makes them mad......

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tcm1968's picture

Will never understand supporting this guy. He had the dream job of a lifetime and let Urban, His Grandfather and Buckeye Nation down..

And my comment has ZERO!!!!!!!!! to do with the off the field stuff. He repeatedly told Urban he called and visited recruits and it turned out to be straight lies that are on the record and that he admits to.. 

I'm all for second chances but Urban gave him about a half dozen chances and he continued to blow a dream job and who knows what he cost us over the years on the field. He's not a coach, employee and imo lost his Buckeye Nation card with all the lies so just wish people could comment over on YouTube and leave it off of 11w. At the very least how about 1 freaking thread. Half convinced some of these posters are Zach because the same people keep bumping the threads...

Rant over... last time I will ever mention that dude.. 

Go Bucks!

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bdbrown66's picture

For the record, I am not Zach Smith.  :)

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Wargor's picture

That's just what Zach would say, wouldn't he?!?

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andretolstoy's picture

He repeatedly told Urban he called and visited recruits and it turned out to be straight lies that are on the record and that he admits to.. 

I think this was Grinch not Smith. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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tcm1968's picture

Nope, it's right in the investigation report..

Go Bucks!

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Bucks2TheNatty's picture

I mean Zach addressed this specific incident and said Urban should have fired him in 2015 because of it. 

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andretolstoy's picture

I stand corrected 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Knarcisi's picture

I broke the seal. Listening to episode 2 now. It’s pretty entertaining and it’s obvious that he is a pretty talented guy. 

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andretolstoy's picture

I have to say that his relationship (or non relationship) with Meyer now was interesting. 

I also like the fact that he exonerated Beck and Schiano. And he also gave Tressel props as a coach by calling his program different than Meyer's but not better or worse. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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CincyBuck's picture

He also spoke very highly of Hartline.  Which, given the fact that Hartline now fills his old job, and given Smith's apparent ego complex to this day, is really saying something...

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yea, I cringed a little bit when Zach first brought up Hartline's name because he's the dude that replaced him and I was afraid he would hold it against him. However, he couldn't have been more complimentary about him and even called him "elite."

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Dstacify's picture

No thank you. Whether he was falsely accused or not (I'm inclined to believe he was) this guy's extra-curricular activities off the field and his refusal to take his job seriously when he was here brought hellfire down on the program last summer. I'm not wasting time on him or his podcast (since he most likely uses it simply to air his grievances against the program and school anyways). He needs to focus on being a father to his children through all this madness, not shitting on people he has grievances with in a podcast (which sounds like almost everyone at OSU).

11 Strong.

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erniefurgler's picture

I asked this question in the previous thread but does anyone know who's on the show with him?  They're never really acknowledged nor do they seem to be "in the know"...they're hearing the stories for the first time as well. 

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bd2999's picture

The guy was a bad coach and did quite a number of things that were pretty stupid. He made his bed, I am not interested in anything he has to say at all. From the comments, it does not look there is anything revolutionary that we did not already know anyway.

Really, Meyer would have been better off, just on the field, without the guy. Guy could recruit but the players never developed.

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stxbuck's picture

To be honest, the whole 'He could recruit' thing is a tad overblown. Any younger dude w/ an affable personality and tOSU on their shirt should be able to land plenty of stud WRs at tOSU. At some places coaches almost have to give off a negative vibe to drive recruits away-like happened w/ PSU and Julian Fleming. Being a smart coach w/ good people skills-Hartline, is more important than being a self proclaimaed "great" recruiter/twitter whore-and a below average staff member/assistant coach.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I'm 3 episodes in, I mean, if I say it's entertaining does that mean I believe every word he is saying? I don't know what is or isn't true in all of the things he's saying, I don't know what is or isn't true in the situation with him and his ex-wife, but as far as "story telling" goes, it's an entertaining podcast. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

DJ doing his part to ensure this podcast is hyped up. Just hope it does not end as quick as Tyson v Spinks did...

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I was in the "anti-Zach" camp until I saw DJ's tweets to Zach, and I don't think I'm alone among 11W's posters when I say that DJ's tweets come across as petty, meanspirited, dickish, cheap shots, and were unnecessarily "kicking a man when he's down."

He a complete bully - and I viewed DJ's post above how he couldn't possibly be a bully because Zach is in the position of power as a former $400k/year OSU football coach as complete rubbish. Online bullies can bully multi-million dollar fashion models, sports stars, or politicians - if you're on Twitter, you know what I'm talking about.  

No one likes a bully. DJ has unintentionally made Zach a more sympathetic figure. I only hope they behave with a modicum of self-respect in the podcast. We don't need a bunch of yelling, screaming and name calling, but instead let each person present their side and go from their. If they talk over each other, no one's going to understand what the heck they're trying to say. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

That is a nice thought...but we both know the podcast is going to end like a fiery highway accident that we cannot look away from. Which I do believe both want. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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Knarcisi's picture

I’m predicting a 45 minute version of “liar, liar, pants on fire”. 

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yea, we all want to hear some zingers from both sides - and if, after they make their "respectful" points/counterpoints, they want to start slinging some mud, then who am I to say no? ha

I just want to make sure it doesn't end up into unintelligible gibberish because at that point we need to hear all the insults; otherwise, it's not funny!  

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stxbuck's picture

Comment removed for violating the site's commenting policy.

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Buckeyebull64's picture

Doesn’t Zach hold the trump card here? It’s his podcast, he doesn’t have to publish it if it goes against him. He could just record another one and say that DJ was out of control so they didn’t put it out

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

DJ may be dickish on the internet, but he's not dumb. I'm sure he's going to record it.

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Have we ever seen anything that suggests that he isn't dumb?

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CALPOPPY's picture

Have we ever seen anything that suggests that he isn't dumb?

Wow...knives really coming out for DJ.

Met him personally a couple of times. Doesn’t come off like a moron. He was likeable and sharp. Yes, he likes to push boundaries, but actually never felt any malice from him.

Memento mori

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Hopefully DJ is not near the cock in real life that he is on the internet. I can honestly say that I've never seen a person portray themselves worse on the internet than DJ has.

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CALPOPPY's picture

I can honestly say that I've never seen a person portray themselves worse on the internet than DJ has.

You must have missed Zach Smith on social media...even before his “troubles” last fall.

Memento mori

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

DJ was widely popular around these parts when he was doing the Hurry Up. His "Marionaire" persona was funny, and he had interesting things to say about OSU, but all that built-up goodwill evaporated overnight when he started what many people believe to be his harassment of Zach Smith....seemingly unprovoked harassment, months after last summer's developments.

It felt like it came out of nowhere after Zach had already been dethroned, and it came across as petty and unnecessary, and the dude just wouldn't let it go....he just went after Zach over and over to the point where he made Zach the sympathetic figure....and people were like "feck you, DJ."

And then Zach reports that DJ had been accused of pistol-whipping some old lady over a drug deal gone bad.....and it's holy shitke what the hell is someone like DJ doing going after Zach Smith when he's been accused of a LOT worse things? That was the nail in the coffin for ole DJ.

Glass houses.....glass houses. 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

When did this all take place?  I’m not on Twitter, and I guess I tired of the Smith saga once the 2018 season began.  DJ got me to make the Skully a part of my daily morning routine to this day, but I have to admit I hate domestic cats. I’m just curious about when this all went down?  I can’t recall if DJ left 11W @ the time it all blew up or was this somehow a campaign strategy?  

I agree that I’m intrigued with Smith’s podcast for now (and for the most part) and will continue to listen. But I think it’s a mistake to engage a guy like Smith on equal terms. DJ has no advantage and really nothing to gain. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Timing of DJ's tweets is unclear to me (one of the problems of getting old)....but I'm thinking it happened early this spring or last winter.....definitely after things cooled down from last summer. It was weird that it seemingly came out of nowhere like DJ was looking for a fight.

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falloutboy89's picture

I'm enjoying it so far. Has helped pass the time on some road trips for sure. He's got a unique POV that's for sure.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Waiting for the 30 for 30 on DJ vs Zach Smith. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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hodge's picture

What if I told you that the real menace to society wasn't the men, but the podcast itself?

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Independence Village 22's picture

Holy cow. Never have I went from respecting and admiring somes work to wishing I could throat punch them in a matter of several paragraphs. Zach seems like the lesser of all evils for the moment. Will the next podcast switch that back around? Doubtful but possible.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Just finished episode 5.

Did we finally get the North’s version of Paul Finebaum!!!!

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NoVAsmitty's picture

I have to admit I've enjoyed the 3 episodes I've listened to.  I could do without some of the shade throwing, and his sign-off has to go not because it's not funny, it's not original.  Although one can tell he's no professional, 90% of the time, if not more, you can't really tell (at least I can't).  But where does he ultimately go with this once, as someone else said above, he's out of stories?  I guess Edward could never pull off something like this, but I'd love to give him or a surrogate a chance to give his side of the stories.  I love the "inside college football".  I'll continue to listen.

After the Ed Warriner episode, I came to my conclusion that it probably was time for Urban to hand over the whistle.  I think his post-2014 hires and retentions were a mixed bag, and I think he had started to lose at least that aspect (hiring quality assistants and firing the incompetent), among many others, that made him one of the top 2/3 coaches.  It's gotta be hard though having to wrangle over 100 18-21 year olds and to have to manage some of these assistant coaches who seem to be about as mature as my rising 7th grader.  Makes me respect Saban all the more with all of his staff turnover (which will eventually catch up to him).  And it's another reason why Dabo ain't taking Urban's place just yet.  He has had hardly any staff turn over and we'll see how he manages that when, not if, it happens.  Looking forward to Smith's discussion of both Saban and Swinney.         

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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Buck298's picture

I’m pretty sure I will be “sick” the day after the next podcast with DJ to read all of the 5000 plus comments here on 11W. It’s the most reality of all of the reality shows to be watched  

But that said, in the end, absolutely nothing good will come of it. A couple of loons will still be a couple of loons, but once again my favorite university will be on the short end of the stick in the public realm due to their individual stupidity. This podcast will most certainly make national sports news, and OSU is the one taking the hits. 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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erniefurgler's picture

Smith's been overall very complimentary of OSU, Urban & the players.  He's taken shots at Drake & some of his coaching counterparts, but as a whole I don't think it makes the university look bad.  Let's be realistic, just because you're a coach at a major college program (OSU or any other) doesn't qualify you to be a quality human being (Pitino, Kiffin, Sarkisian, etc).  Smith does have an insiders perspective of numerous well-known coaches & can give the listeners his perspective

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TUNBUCK89's picture

I'm still scratching my head at what motivates DJ to go on the podcast...really, to prove what? I hope he doesn't show up.

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OSU_ALUM_05's picture

And it’s better now because you can actually shout instead of just type the shouting in all caps.

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Fatpants's picture

I’m picturing a poor-man’s version of the Jim Everett/Jim Rome thing. 

PG <3 PG

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LCT's picture

But who's who? Smith is "bigger" but it's a doughy, lotsa beer & treats kind of bigger.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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logamaniac's picture

Well for one thing, Smith has never had to personally account for anything publicly.  

Sure stories have been written and he’s made some half cocked text responses and has this podcast but there’s never been a real hold your feet to the fire and answer these specific allegations with this supporting evidence.  

Anyone can ignore or deny random things on the internet or news but it’s a different beast when you’re one on one with someone that’s come to play with their homework in their back pocket.  

This is the only thing that interests me about this podcast and it’s merely because I think DJ is coming for him in this way.   If he wasn’t going on there’s literally no movement of the needle for me regarding Zach smith post OSU aside from when he still wears OSU stuff in his mug shots like a jabroni. 

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Is today the day the DJ vs Zach Bum Fight airs?

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CincyOSU's picture

I think it's being recorded today, not sure how long it takes for ZS to put it online. Either way, check DJ's twitter to see if he is gloating or melting down again and we'll have our preview.

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Earle's picture

It's like Jerry Springer is on the air again..

Axe leukemia!
#Poppystrong

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Triv's picture

Fairly certain in the DM convo between Zach and DJ that Zach told him he could be on the Monday episode, so I would think we should see something this afternoon.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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MichiBuck12's picture

I bet this is gonna be the highest rated episode yet. I assume it will be done over the phone though, which is disappointing. 

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Knarcisi's picture

Episode 6 just dropped. Doesn’t sound like it has DJ on it. Maybe they drop casts a week after recording. 

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High St Heismans's picture

So what is Smith now an insider?Inside a police car,inside a strip bar,inside the Whitehouse taking dikpics.Urban faffed that for too long and don't give Smith,his EX or McMurphy any clicks IMHO

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Knarcisi's picture

OMG, they’re doing shirts for all the opponents of the Texas Longhorns. Should be interesting. 

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BPOSU's picture

Zach just dropped on episode six that he has a source from the USPS that says that Urban has had “several” mail correspondences lately with USC 

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Knarcisi's picture

Just heard that, too. Not sure I buy it. Urban and USC are communicating via certified mail rather than just discussing over the phone?  Not like they could mail him a contract right now, right?

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BPOSU's picture

That’s what I don’t get either. 

It’s 2019. What kind of communication needs to happen via mail? What paperwork could there possibly be at this stage? 

Wouldn’t be surprised if the USPS worker was just dropping Zach a line to make himself feel important 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Could be mailing list type stuff. It seems awful early to be negotiating with your next coach but certainly not too early to be planting seeds. Almost like recruiting students. Send him promo material. Get him warmed up for when you do make your move. I think we all know USC is going to be in the market sooner than later and that Urban will be a target. I'm still not convinced he would consider it, but I'm also not convinced he won't.

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logamaniac's picture

not only that but Urban Meyer isn't the type that needs to deal with any school directly.  

All correspondence and discussions probably go through his agent.  It also gives him the privilege of plausible deniability until he wants to make a decision.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I am 99.99% sure someone Zach knows at the USPS told him that Urban is getting a lot of mail from USC....it's not something that I think Zach would just makeup. However, like several other posters have said, we (including Zach and the USPS guy) don't know what those mailings are about......and it's reaching to draw too any conclusions ----BUT it's one little nugget, that when/if, more nuggets keep appearing, maybe you can start drawing more conclusions.

It was another good Episode today - I really enjoyed the talk about the UF recruiting philosophy and how they went for Speed at all costs (which cost them Knowsown (sp) Moreno who ran a 4.6 vs. a couple 4.4 guys UF signed that never amounted to anything), and Zach's ranking of his top stadiums....particularly interesting how he said Whiskey's "Jump Around" gets the opposing team just as jacked-up as it did the Badgers.

And his description of Death Valley makes me want to see a game there even more...... 

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CarolinaBuck's picture

My problem with Zach's take is why would USC send Urban certified mail in an official USC envelope. I'm assuming both parties would want some degree of secrecy if this is really happening. Plastering USC all over the envelope would just lead to wild speculation and rumor. I have no idea what Urban will be doing a day from now let alone a year, but I'm calling BS on this take by Zach.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Is that the same source who delivered Zach’s special packages to his office?

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Earle's picture

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MichiBuck12's picture

1. I have never worked for USPS but I would think they must have a some sort of policy about not sharing information like who people send mail to and get mail from. Not that Zach is lying about being told this stuff, but I would have to think it was a pretty serious violation of policy to tell him.

2. But DJ has access to all the super secret information that us non big time bloggers/politicians don't have access to. Just wait til he releases it.

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allinosu's picture

I did and there is. Both sides could face serious problems IF either Urban or an inspector decides to press the issue.

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Wargor's picture

Old Cheers and Seinfeld episodes taught me all I need to know about the USPS, and you do not want to fuck with them.

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Reuben's picture

When he said mail from USC, he meant the University of Sexual Contraptions.

I’ll be here all week, everyone.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Apparently Warinner is a mouth breather, that makes sense.

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GetBuckedUp's picture

Good shout out for Birm on episode 6 from Zach. Kurelic gets the exact opposite lol.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I remember when that Jalyn Holmes situation went down, dick move by Kurelic if what Smith is saying is true.

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andretolstoy's picture

Zach has demystified Meyer a bit for me. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

I have come to realize that Urban is really out of touch with reality.  That's some cold shit if true about making Coach Coombs drive through a snowstorm from Toledo to Columbus because he didn't want to wait 20 minutes.  

Also, no mention of DJ coming on the podcast.  

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

My best friend's brother is good friends with someone in OSU athletic department who's good friends with Fickell and Vrabel (they all went to OSU together), and paints Urban in the same unvarnished light that Zach does.

He's not a naturally "chummy" person - namely if you're not a person of perceived power - there's not a lot you can do for Urban. He was/is 100% focused on winning.  My friend's brother helped coach Nate Meyer's youth baseball team and the coaches were invited over by Shelly to her house - Urban walks in and gives off the vibe of "wtf are you doing in my house" ---one of the coaches went to UC and tried to talk Bearcats and Urban wanted nothing to do with it.

What I've learned in life is that anyone at the very top of their profession WALKED over a lot of dead bodies to get there........

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Shadow's picture

I’ve met Urban a couple times and this is just spot on. Felt like he didn’t trust anyone and wasn’t very personable to people. Tress on the other hand would engage you before you could engage him. Tress has the uncanning ability to remember names after meeting someone just once before. 

This is isnt a knock on Urban. His job was to win games and clearly just how he thought best to do that. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I have never met Urban but I have known or interacted with ultra successful people like that in the past. From what I've gathered, its not so much that they aren't nice or friendly people. Its more that they are extremely focused and as a result they can come off as a bit stand off-ish and prickly. Basically, they are really nice people when they are prepared to be social. But if they aren't prepared to be social, and they are in work mode, they aren't going to break that work mode for anyone. For example, when Urban goes to see kids in a hospital he is incredibly gracious with his time and is very friendly. But if you catch him in a store after work, he won't be. I've known executives like that. When they're hosting a social event in their home they are incredibly friendly and fun to be around. But if you catch them between meetings at a conference in line for coffee and you try to shoot the shit with them, they will blow you off. I don't think its because they're assholes, I think its because they're focused on the work they need to do in that next meeting and they aren't going to be distracted.

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NHBuckeye's picture

This is a great take, MichiBuck.  I’ve seen this several times as well with execs.  

Fields of Dreams

 

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Brandon26841's picture

I've always just felt like those people are assholes, but they're just good at putting on a show and pretending not to be when they need to. Good actors essentially, and the version that blows you off in the grocery store or in line for coffee is the real them. 

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logamaniac's picture

getting dismissed after a hello at a grocery store makes someone an asshole?  he didn't go out in the parking lot and egg your car, kick your dog or knock up your daughter/girlfriend/sister.

the fact that people think they are owed anything beyond basic pleasantries by a stranger have always been peculiar to me.

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Wargor's picture

Agreed.  Some of us (I'm not an exec) are just not naturally very good at the friendly and chatty with strangers.  We can do it when we need to (somewhat), but social interaction isn't something that comes natural, especially when it is outside of a comfort zone.  In the office, with a purpose or people I know, I'm as social as anyone else.  At a cocktail party with mostly strangers and little to talk about as a common subject...I'm just not in my element.  Push that further to standing in line at the grocery store and having to chat with a stranger, no thanks.  I'll do it and try not to be rude, but it isn't going to be a great experience for either of us.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I think many successful people reach the point where they feel like they have a target on their back feeling like everybody wants something from them. Whether it's giving someone an autograph in the grocery store, telling a witty story to a fan in the stands at your kid's baseball game, being asked to donate your time and/or money to every non-profit in the country........it must feel like everyone is out to get something from you.

Unless you are someone who thrives on such social interactions, it has to get old.

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Brandon26841's picture

I agree that nobody owes anyone anything, but we all know that person that seemingly gets excused from acting like a dick all of the time because, well... "Oh... that's just them!" No one wants to be bugged at a grocery store minding their own business, but there are some people that are just generally unpleasant almost all of the time during their daily interactions with people, but they'll turn on the charm if they feel the need to and only then. Every work place has got people like that. That's the real them, and that's OK. There's just no need to make excuses for them ("they're laser focused!") is what I'm saying. I'm not a chatty person (borderline antisocial) in the least bit either, but if someone is trying to make friendly small talk I'll tough it out for a few seconds.    

I'm sure it's something you can't really understand unless you're in a position like Meyer has been in for decades. I can see it being difficult not to be jaded / cynical of people.  

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andretolstoy's picture

This /\ is absolutely correct. I don't think Urban is a bad guy - you just don't reach his success in life without being extremely focused and have tunnel vision at times. 

I just think that Urban's system is like a freight train. It needs to be put on its tracks and then once it reaches full steam it's very successful. Eventually it slows down. I just see Urban's train is not a long termed system. Once it finishes he moves on to start it up again somewhere else. You get a very hard 5-7 years from the guy and then he needs to start new. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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andretolstoy's picture

Ironically, I had no problem with this part. 

All I am saying. I'm glad we had Meyer when we had him. I'm glad he improved his outlook on character-players. But, at this point, I could care less if he coaches somewhere again. USC can have him. He will improve most programs, but I am not certain his game will reach the heights it once did. He will always be my second favorite football coach at The Ohio State University. 

On the other hand, we're blessed to have day. And once he leaves, we still have some potentially elite coaches with Ohio State ties that can take over like: Fickell, Vrabel, Freeman, and now even Hartline whom I had an inkling even when he was player would have the head of a decent coach. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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OHinTN's picture

Corey Smith has 6 kids???

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billybigwheel's picture

Hes in a bad place, got arrested a couple months ago for some shooting too

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buckeyedexter's picture

I really like his podcast.  He's a better podcaster than a receivers coach.

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MaxTheMoose's picture

It doesn’t take much to realize that Urban Meyer is kind of a prick

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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DuckBuck's picture

The Coombs thing was cold (no pun intended) but I like Meyer even more after listening to these podcasts. 

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Braxton2Devin's picture

I've heard from a bunch of people that played on the football team that Meyer is just an asshole. Really hurts to hear that when you've stuck by him and defended him and practically worshiped him for a long time.

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MaxTheMoose's picture

Urban Meyer cares about Urban Meyer. 

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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CincyOSU's picture

A coach being hard on his players isn't the same as being an asshole. During that whole debacle last year we heard nothing but praise for Meyer from current and former players.
 

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bdbrown66's picture

I'll tell you what: If I had been Kerry Coombs, and would have had to drive all the way home from Toledo in a blizzard because my boss couldn't wait 20 minutes, my resignation would have been on his desk the next morning. That's just blatant disrespect for the people who are working their azzes off for you.

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CincyOSU's picture

And we know this is true how?

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bdbrown66's picture

We don't, and I'll readily admit that. But enough of what he has said has been either confirmed or at least believable, so I'm inclined to think there's some truth to it.

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logamaniac's picture

Or, you do your job then parlay that hard work and experience working for a demanding boss and having seen it succeed take an opportunity with an NFL team and proceed to collect checks.

But you can just do it your way and go back to obscurity coaching high school ball until your mandated retirement age for a small fraction of the monetary reward.

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bdbrown66's picture

There's a vast difference between "doing your job" and "getting screwed by your boss."  Based on the results on the field, I would say that Coombs was "doing his job" very well indeed.  And as far as we know, the whole reason he left OSU and went to the NFL is because he didn't want to put up with crap like this anymore.

Again, I don't know if the story, as told by ZS, is 100% factual, or has been embellished to some degree.  But if it is true, that's a crappy way to treat your employees.  I learned long ago, from my experience in the military, that "authority is given, but respect is earned."  Actions like this do not earn respect.  Quite the opposite.

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logamaniac's picture

the reason he went to the nfl was because he didnt want to work for a demanding personality? 

do you think there is more or less pressure on a first time assistant coach to succeed in the NFL or NCAA?  I'm going to vote there's probably more pressure at the perceived top of the mountain in the NFL.  What evidence have you seen that says Coombs didn't enjoy his time in Columbus or that he had to get away from Urban?

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bdbrown66's picture

As a certain other legendary OSU coach was known to say, "You win with people."  This ain't "winning with people."  Woody was as hard-nosed and anal as they come, but I can't imagine him forcing an assistant to drive halfway across the state in a blizzard while he cooled his heels on a private jet...just to save 20 minutes.

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CincyOSU's picture

Again, you're getting mad about something you don't even know is true.

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MaxTheMoose's picture

Pretty sure it's true. I don't think Smith would have any reason to lie about it. You're just getting upset because Urban was the coach at OSU.

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

I think its based in truth, I'd bet it wasn't as extreme as Smith is making it out to be though.

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bdbrown66's picture

I'm not getting mad.  Obviously, it doesn't affect me in the least, and I've said up front that I have no way of knowing if it is true as reported.  I'm just saying that, if it is true, that's no way to roll.  And if I had been on the receiving end of something like that, it would make me question whether I wanted to work for someone who obviously didn't care about my well-being in the least.

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MaxTheMoose's picture

Put yourself in Coombs situation. How would you feel?

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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Fatpants's picture

Big time coaching is a notoriously hard profession to crack in to. I'd guess stories like this are commonplace.

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andretolstoy's picture

If there's one man that would be ok stuck in a blizzard, it's Coach Coombs. That guy could strip down to his bare butt chicks and walk home yelling obscenities to fictive kickers for wearing a winter coat in the same blizzard. What!? Is that coat thick enough sunshine?? We're walking, and you're a kicker!!

Coach Coombs was fine. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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lew-e's picture

Just started up on episode 1 after reading about it on here. So far so good. 

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Shark 4's picture

There are only three reason to read, watch or listen to any news outlet:

1) It regularly provides breaking news first.

2) The writing (applies to TV and raido scripts) is superior, approaching literature. (Think Frank Deford at SI).

3) It provides unique insight that has been unavailable in other sources.

Z Smith's podcast clearly falls into the third category. Love him or hate him, he does provide insight into the program specifically and CFB generally that is simply not available anywhere else. 

That's why I listen.

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MaxTheMoose's picture

I just wonder how long his schtick goes on for before somebody tries to shut him down 

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Who can shut him down? The Federal government?

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MaxTheMoose's picture

Somebody who doesn't like all the shit that he's putting out. Not saying they would be successful but I think somebody like Tom Herman would attempt to

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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Fatpants's picture

Tom Herman started all this. 

PG <3 PG

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rugby15's picture

Herman has too much to lose if he gets involved in a firestorm with Zach..

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MaxTheMoose's picture

I agree, but it seems like they're both huge man children with even bigger egos 

“LENNNNNAAAAAAYYYYYYY”-Arthur Morgan 1899

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Fatpants's picture

The worst thing Herman can do is try to muzzle Zach. Tom can pass these stories off as the lies of a jilted ex coach, but if he moved to shut him up, that changes everything. 

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I think it's very unlikely Tom Herman would litigate Zach Smith because that gets splashed over every website and newspaper in America, but the free publicity would be worth in the millions to Zach.

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Knarcisi's picture

Can’t wait to see these shirts he has coming for the Big 12 opponents of Texas. I think “Hook Em” is gonna take on a whole new meaning, after what we’ve heard about ole Tom. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I think if it starts gaining traction someone will try to shut it down. Right now its pretty much just Buckeye football junkies looking to get a fix in the offseason listening to him. But if the things he says starts getting reported by large media outlets, I think people are going to go after him hard. We all know college athletics is a dirty business. Like him or not, he's got information that could do a lot of damage to a lot of people should he pursue it. The list of people who want to keep him quiet is probably pretty long.

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Knarcisi's picture

Not sure how anyone would be able to shut him down. Defamation or slander, but that’s if his material is not true. If it’s true, even if basically true with his version of it, no one will or should come after him. Only to maybe offer him some money to hush. 

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bdbrown66's picture

If he is smart, he's got an attorney listening to the recorded program before it goes out. But, maybe not.

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MichiBuck12's picture

He currently has no sponsors and I'm not sure what he's doing for income at the moment. But a defamation suit would be extremely expensive and would almost certainly come from someone who has more money than him. They wouldn't have to win the defamation suit to shut him down. They would only have to keep it going long enough to bankrupt him and force him to do something else for money.

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Triv's picture

Defamation is so incredibly hard to prove that ZS could almost assuredly get a lawyer who listens to the podcast to do it pro bono and counter sue for the legal fees when he inevitably wins the suit. Winning a suit for defamation would have to prove both that ZS knew for 100% certain that what he was saying was false (nearly impossible to do), but also that it caused financial damage to the accuser. Assuming the only two considering such a suit would be Herman and Warriner, both of them are still employed making a whole lot of money.

Edit: Not to mention, unless Herman/Warriner have evidence that Smith is lying that they submit with the suit, any judge in their right mind is going to throw the lawsuit out before it ever hits trial.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Not being a smart ass, but what's he doing/saying that is anything different than what McMurphy was doing, and he was never charged with anything by anyone to my knowledge.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

To be honest, I think he's telling a lot more truth than McMurphy ever did. Which is all the more reason for people to fight back should he try to expose them. I'm not saying he's doing anything wrong. In fact the opposite. I think there are some things that need to be exposed and with nothing left to lose, Zach is the perfect guy to do it. But I also think that if he does, the people getting exposed will try to stop it from happening. And the best way I can see to do that is to try to bankrupt him with the legal system.

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bdbrown66's picture

It's hard to sue a "journalist" for defamation or slander.  Not that McMurphy deserves the label.
 

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Fatpants's picture

Moving to shut him up will give it more traction than any of his juicy stories ever will. If the targets start acknowledging it, it's instantly credible.

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BuckeyeInDenver's picture

A little concerned about those of you who think ZS is "well spoken." Also absolutely hilarious that this genius is A) unfamiliar with James O'Keefe and B) refers to him as a reporter.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Well spoken is a stretch, but he's exponentially better than I expected.

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CarolinaBuck's picture

He could also tone down the foul language. I'm not a prude, but it gets a little old listening to him.

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Jumar's picture

He's for sure a narcissist. The number of times he says "I", "me" and builds himself up is enough reason to turn it off.

If you continue to think what you always thought, you will continue to get what you always got. #AlumforStaff

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NObuck-I-inTEAM's picture

LOL wtf if he supposed to say?  It's his podcast about his insider information and experiences.

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huffdaddy's picture

Ze. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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LCT's picture

Or Xe.

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High St Heismans's picture

Jumar 18

He's for sure a narcissist. The number of times he says "I", "me" and builds himself up is enough reason to turn it off.

Ha! I basically said the same thing worded differently and got down voted into oblivion - well said

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Mikeosu02's picture

What's he supposed to say? He's telling stories about things he experienced as a college football coach. 

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture
  • Zach Smith comes off as a better person than he's been portrayed through the media (shocker.)  I hear a guy with nothing to hide who has been straight up, vs a guy trying to cover up anything.
  • This podcast is more interesting than I thought it would be (I have only listened to #6 but will likely listen to the rest now.) 
  • He said someone advised him that a podcast like this is the way of the future.  I agree, or I like the concept anyway.  He's giving insider info that radio guys don't have access to, and/or, would not report.  Obviously, it's got it's limits, but I do think there will be more people within the industry who come out with podcasts like this in the future.  This is real information vs the shit that ESPN radio and some of its competitors spews. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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Tater_Schroeder's picture

I'm late to the party here, but I am LOVING the podcast. 

Pray for potatoes with a hoe in your hand.

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erniefurgler's picture

Like him or not, he does have insight to big-time college football that most do not.  He also has the flexibility to give an unfiltered view of college football.  Pick any sport, or industry for that matter, & imagine someone with 10 years of experiences and stories they could tell from an insiders perspective.  Seeing how the sausage definitely gives you a different perspective of any given topic.  Imagine if someone from the inside of DC politics, Hollywood actors, oil industry, etc...the stories that could be told would be epic

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Wasn't DJ supposed to go mic-to-mic with Zach on Monday? Did I miss it or is it coming next week?   What say you, DJ or Zach Smith 1w burner account?

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Sanantonefan's picture

I saw something on twitter where DJ said:

starting to think Coach saying he would "love to have me on" wasn't sincere

Guess it fell through somehow.

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Knarcisi's picture

He has so much material, I think having DJ on would be a waste of time and counterproductive for his cast.  Nothing against DJ, but why?  Because someone talked shit about the other one on the internet?  No one wants to hear 45 minutes of that.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Probably true at this point KNAR. Though, I'd like to hear them talk face-to-face. They're both passionate and have a quick wit. I think that it would be entertaining if they could get to point/counterpoint and not just verbally slap each other. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

9 Units Strong!

 

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Agree. Plus, Smith wants this podcast to succeed. How does DJ Byrnes help him do that?  Outside of 11W commenters and some people living in the congressional (or was it state) district that he tried to get elected to serve, no one in the college football world knows who DJ Byrnes is. There’s no business reason for Smith to have DJ on. What’s in it for Smith?

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Calgarybuck's picture

DJ posted on twitter his invite from Zach and him accepting said invite.  I agree it's stupid for him to have DJ on now that he's over 100K in followers just to settle a beef, he has nothing to gain from it, kinda like OSU playing Cincy in football (no offense DJ)

Also hearing rumours Zach called Bill to apologize, don't know for sure but that's what I've heard.

I hope things workout for Zach wherever his life takes him, for having no experience on radio or presentation he's doing a good job storytelling and not in a rush to go over every situation and carefully crafting his podcast and by the sounds of it his email subscription and website.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

I hope things workout for Zach wherever his life takes him, for having no experience on radio or presentation he's doing a good job storytelling ..

Now we know what made him one of the top recruiters in the country.  He certainly has a skill that is on full display. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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