Nothing to see here. I will believe it when I see it.
I love reading the annual “this year they’re finally going to use the tight end” article.
Don't listen to Freddy P. Soft
Apparently, the #1 TE recruit Berrong also wants to see it before considering a commitment and is staying in touch with Ruckert for inside info on how the TE will be utilized. We’ve heard this line about utilizing the TE so often that only seeing is believing at this point. The kid is acting wisely.
Agreed, OSU football is awesome. However if I’m a tight end there ain’t no way I’m going there. Proofs in the pudding. I am hoping that this is the year.
Oh boy, a TE utilization discussion ...
I'm happy to have Ruckert and all, but I have no idea why TEs still continue to consider us. "We'll use them more this year" has been repeated every year for 30 years.
Maybe one of the 11Wers who gets access at a presser should ask this question pointedly at coach Day. Curious to hear his response.
"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir
yeah that is all great but I am waiting for Dawand to be a Supersized Antonio Gates...jumbo 12 package with dawand and roughshod would be insane
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.
As Haskins’ was to the benefit of the Receivers, maybe a HC change to Day will benefit Ruckert and those that come after him.
Berrong should definitely watch what OSU does this year with the TEs, and not listen to what they say!
Kevin Wilson’s offense got Jermaine Gresham ~1k yards and 14 TDs in 2008. He knows how to use the TE if his bosses will let him.
What he said. KWilson is going to go nuts this year.
Day said that he is going to call the plays this coming season. Wilson might have input but Day, as Myer did, will have the final say.
This same conversation has happened nearly every off-season since 2012. I'm still waiting for something different to happen.
I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..
HC is different. That’s pretty big. KW is a stud. Don’t overlook him just because sometimes Urban couldn’t get out of his own way.
Am I the only one that expects Farrell to get more snaps than Ruckert? I mean he and berry both did last year....
I’ve heard this for ten years and hate to tell him it won’t happen. Also, with as packed with talent as the WR room is I don’t see a lot of 12 personnel for passing downs
I don’t know about that. 12 personnel on first down and no huddle... You can stay that way all the way down the field. Then you’re in the red zone, time for 12 man again.
I’ve been watching the last ten years. . . While your scenario sounds great, I’m here to tell you don’t count on it lol
Still say a guy like Ruckert could be a nightmare matchup in the slot. Hearing more and more lately about him getting some snaps at H to try and vary the position up a little.
I dig it.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Death, Taxes, and OSU using their TE's more next season.
Talented tight ends, talented receivers, talent running backs, talented QB. The problem of spreading the ball around and getting everyone touches can be solved like this: Score more, and faster.
Grow the offense, make it simple but diverse, everyone wins.
"Score more and faster."
Everyone who roots for TTUN just soiled themselves a bit.
Wasn’t osu 2nd in the nation in scoring last year?
"If you ain't first you're last"
"Ohio State's offense is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad-ass speed."
Berry is a senior, no?
This is the first year in a long time in which the TE room might be better than the WR room (for now). Kevin Wilson mentioned that the WR’s had been better than the TE’s and that is why there wasn’t much production from the latter. I think Ruckert has more potential as a playmaker than any TE/WR not named K.J. Hill or Garrett Wilson. The guy needs meaningful snaps.
This is definitely where I parked my car.
It seems like no one ever puts Olave in the "playmaker" discussion... he had two TD's in the biggest game of the year as a true freshman!
I don’t think everyone realizes just how much speed we graduated last year.
I don’t think anyone realizes how much speed we have on the roster & have recruited .
Win Baby , Win
The current crop of wide receivers don’t even really come close to Parris, Terry, and Johnnie in terms of speed. I doubt there is a single skill position player besides Jameson Williams that can run under a 4.45 right now. The offense is going to look different this year and I think the TE’s are going to be a bigger part of it.
Agreed, they recruited at an extremely high level. Also the speed thing is way overrated. The guys at WR are not slow. Are they as fast as last years? Maybe not, however they are still faster than most college football players. People get obsessed with speed, it is one facet to playing WR. The guys they have recruited are still all world athletes with top 2 round athletic abilities(not saying they get drafted that high, just athletically). However off the top of head the guys now are true recievers coming out of high school and I believe are a bit taller and I’m also thinking better hands. Look at some of the best WR in the world. They are not necessarily the fastest(not slow). Julio Jones ,OBJ ,Mike Thomas, Deandre Hopkins,Wes welker, jordy Nelson, Jerry rice etc... are not known for being ultra fast. They are know for being great total packages. OSU guys on the roster have plenty of speed to take care of business. OSU has also recruited a couple of the very best to come out of high school in the last couple years.
Put the pass to Berry in OT of the Maryland game on a continuous loop in the WHAC - and that'll show we use the TEs in passing situations. That one was with the game on the line. People have been snickering at our TE play for over decade and yet we still put players in the NFL from that position.
98 out of 100 are skeptical. However the ex OC is now HC. Maybe he'll make the overdue changes and thus make his offense more diverse and unstoppable. Any TE recruit would be smart to say show me and maybe come late November we can talk more seriously.
Me with top prospects at any other position: “why aren’t you signing with us??”
me with literally any tight end: “why are you even considering us??”
"porque las estirpes condenadas a cien años de soledad no tenían una segunda oportunidad sobre la tierra."
If you tell a recruit that his position will be utilized heavily this season you had better follow up on that promise.
It's kinda strange that the kid is watching and most of this article was about our backup tight ends. Shouldn't he be watching and we be writing about Farrell?!
Ruckert was a top TE prospect like this kid is so it makes sense he’d use Ruckert as his benchmark
If Ruckert doesn't get a lot of targets this year, dare I say he looks into the portal? Almost any other school and he's starting.
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
Based on what?
Just a gut feeling. The portal is looking like an easy way to try to go get some playing time.
I thought it was sort of interesting that he didn't even mention the actual starting TE.
Because Ruckert is more his age and type of player
He's also the likely #3 TE and at best the #3 H (if he does indeed flex out a little this year like they said). With so many weapons in the passing game this season how many targets it Ruckert really going to get? Berrong might be disappointed if all he's doing is watching Ruckert. 2020 - 2021 will be his time IMO.
Kevin Wilson will lose any shred of credibility with any future TE prospects, if he doesn't deliver on the TE passing game ...... The problem is that we have a top running back, a stable of great wide outs, a running QB and only one football. The competition for touches is going to be like throwing a pork chop into a pack of wild dogs ......
Lol. Yes our offense clearly needs to change.
Just a general question out of curiosity.
How many targets to our TEs in 2019 would be considered "sufficient" to secure Berrong's commitment?
I don’t believe there’s a number in play. I dont think it’s that analytical. Just more involvement with the tight ends. Showing progression with the position in the passing attack. This also isn’t a demand Berrong has made but an encouragement by Kevin Wilson.
I didn’t really view it as an ultimatum by Berrong but if we don’t target the tight end on a consistent basis he will probably decide to play his college football elsewhere.
We are still going to pass like crazy. Fields is not as accurate as DH. We also don’t have quite as much speed outside as we did last year. Those three facts mean that TE will be used much more. Big target, close to the line. Good blocker. 60 catches at TE this year.
Now that’s funny
Excellent, his number was 56 so that should suffice
I think this is the year we use the tight end...........
It's Jake Stoneburner's breakout season!
If Wilson and Day say "watch what we do, not what we say", that's all I need. I'll be watching along with young Berrong to see what's what.
if only, if only.....would definitely be amazing to see more consistent TE use instead of occasionally being exposed by teams who do use them (granted we still win, but sheesh you would think by now we would utilize them more)
Well the coaches have laid it right out there. It's time to put up or shut up so to speak.
Fields of Dreams
Play breaks down, Fields rolls out. Ruckert mirrors him 12 yards down the field and can’t be single covered. That is 8-20 yards all day long.
I think TE 'usage' is a bit overblown, especially when it comes to our TEs (this annual "will we use them more"). Look at the NFL. If you play fantasy football, you know that there are hardly any TEs worth a damn, at least statistically speaking. There were only 4 TEs with over 750 receiving yards and only 6 with more than 5 TDs - 3 of those 6 had exactly 6 TDs (in a 16 game regular season).
Compare that to a college football season (we'll say 13 games to include at least one extra game from 12 game regular season since postseason stats count in college). That's roughly 80% of an NFL season. So if you want to be basically a top 5 TE in the NFL, statistically, the equivalent college season would be about 500-600 yards, and 4-5 TDs.
To be a top 12 TE in the NFL in receptions, you need about 3 receptions per game. So in a college season, 35-40 catches.
Add in that we have had TEs without much statistical success get drafted in the past 10 years, I don't know why we clamor so much for the TE to "have better numbers." The game of football, both at the college and NFL, just isn't designed around a good TE these days (again, at least when you consider receiving stats).
Kyle Rudolph just signed a 4-year, $36M contract. He had 64 catches, 634 yards, and 4 TDs last year. That translates to about 52 catches, 510 yards, and 3 TDs in college. Not what I would consider a huge part of the passing game (last year in our offense that would have been 13% of receptions, 10% of yards, and 6% of TDs).
Your analysis is spot-on. I believe we're all still affected by what Iowa did to the Bucks and collectively wonder why OSU doesn't seem (willing) to create similar matchup problems against LBs.
I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.
Excellent post. Does anyone else notice that the schools known as TE factories-Iowa, ND, Wisky-are hardly noted for the output of their WRs?
Anywhere but Georgia, son.
OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville
I don't think Day and Wilson will utilize the TE just to impress a recruit. It has to make sense in order to win games.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Guess what-if giving Garrett Wilson and Julian Fleming more targets means pissing off some HS kid-sorry HS kid.
It's just as predictable and inevitable as the leaves turning colors in the fall, cold in the winter, rain in the spring and heat in the summer -- the annual talk of tOSU using the tight end position more in the passing game. If we can consistently keep winning and having an effective offense without the TE involved much, then there's really no need to change... but if we have weapons at the TE position that can help our offense become even better, then by all means I really hope they use those weapons.
Either way, I'll believe it when I see it, and the same probably goes for every tight end recruit out there. It still amazes me that they landed Ruckert.
The beautiful thing about last season was that when tOSU needed a "trick" play that no one expected, they could always throw to the tight end on 4th down. And the reason why no one expected the ball to go to a tight end was ............. you guessed it .....
In the name of Rickey Dudley, I hope this is the year.