So the ND 247 board is pretty adamant they are not taking a LB this year so they won't be taking Cody Simon. Interesting bc his brother a soph on the team and ranked about where Cody is.
Could be a possible surprise addition no one was expecting. Visits for 6/21 weekend.
So the ND 247 board is pretty adamant they are not taking a LB this year
What? That can't be common for a blue-blood to intentionally not take a LB in a recruiting class.
I mean, our old defensive staff tried really hard to avoid even the appearance of pursuing a CB last class.
Things got a bit sticky w/ Urban leaving and I think the staff was satisfied with the depth at the position, given that Cameron Brown RSed. Day was worried about OL depth-and it showed in his last minute recruiting. I imagine he would have done something similar if he was overly concerned about CB depth.
also, Taver was... not great.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
ND has taken 8 linebackers over the last two cycles. It’s definitely realistic for them not to take one this go around. Especially when they’re really hurting for defensive backs.
Thanks for the info-this is the kind of stuff I appreciate from the site recruiting coverage-not just 'So and so is building a relationship! Yay!'-which you, personally, avoid.
I mean we'll take him just to calm Bob down.
If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?
They already have a LB (Jordan Botelho) committed? How are they not taking any?
emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt
ND recruiting him as a pass rusher. They call it the “drop” position but it’s basically a weakside defensive end.
Interesting, appreciate the info. Doesn’t Daelin Hayes play the drop position for ND? I incorrectly thought Hayes was quite a bit bigger than Botelho coming out of hs, thus my confusion.
Yep. Hayes and Julian Okwara both play there. Okwara has been better so far.
It's also the spot they wanted Braiden McGregor to play before he committed to Michigan. Also the spot they're recruiting Mitchell Melton for. Seems like a lot for one position but Hayes and Okwara are both seniors this year. They do seem to rotate a lot there from what I've read.
So does that mean they aren't overly interested in Melton?
From what I understand he’s a top target for them. I’ve seen him mentioned for the drop end spot and as a LB in their system. Guessing he’s a take due to the position versatility whereas a guy like Simon is a pure LB.
Haven’t seen any updates on his weekend visit thus far yet though.
Simon's language during his interview with Birm would suggest to me that following his brother to ND is not really that important.
Wouldn't be the first LB we took who had a brother at ND (Eichenberg)
Holy crap, is that for real? That's real bad.
It is bad-but making the BCS Championship game in 12' and the playoff last year kind of masks the stat.
They were overrated both times and got embarrassed. The only thing that got masked is they got dickslapped by a good team and not a mediocre team. JMO though
That Notre Dame stat is insane.
Ohio State has 18 in that span. Most of any team. Bama is second at 16 (6 in the last 4 years because of playoffs).
I’m counting 14 total bowl wins since then, 13 NY6/BCS as 1 was the Alamo Bowl.
Yeah, you're right. I just looked it up on wiki. I got that other number from the same person who posted the Notre Dame stat. Thanks for the double-check. We'll let the recruits and talking heads run with the 18 number. We'll claim a couple more before the season starts if it helps recruiting.
I saw a CFB Kings stat after I posted. The number was 18, but since 98, and total NY6/BCS games (win or loss).
I counted 13 total bowl wins since 1994. 12 NY6/BCS then the 1 Alamo Bowl.
Wiki didn’t have the championship game vs Oregon.
It's line number 46
You’re correct. My bad.
The Notre Dame stat is just NY6 and BCS bowl wins. They have won some smaller bowl games like the Pinstripe bowl since 1994.
They have won 5 bowl games since their 1994 Cotton Bowl win. None of those 5 wins were BCS or NY6.
I've seen Knighton's name passed around on the forum a few times. #3 APB on 247. Should we consider adding his name to this list?
Can also take McClain’s name of the board.
His film is electric. He hits his hole so quickly and he is off to the races. Very little bouncing around for a APB. He is right there with Milton and Robinson.
Do you think he will compete with Mookie Cooper for snaps or would they be used in a different capacity?
Two different type of players, Mookie is a true wide receiver that can play slot or outside. Knighton is a running back that can still put on good weight. Sorta reminds me of Swift from Georgia
Right. They’d definitely take Cooper and Knighton both. Different positions like you said.
The Day, Yurcich, Wilson offense is just going to be stupid good. If they can undress Don Brown (sans Yurcich even), they can undress anybody. This team is going to fun to watch.
Fields of Dreams
Thank you. I was unaware that Mookie could also play outside. Whenever I see APB, like in Knighton's case, I picture someone that gets some reps in the backfield and also plays out of the slot. Since we normally only run single back sets I was wondering if they'd pull Mookie out of the slot to put Knighton in for a jet sweep or something.
Not sure if serious
edit: nvm thought you were talking about McClain
Talking about Knighton
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— Joe Royer (@JoeRoyer25) June 11, 2019
Everyone wants in on the game
What is the word on receiver KeAndre Lambert who visits this weekend? Is he a take?
Not at the moment. Think he’s in the same category as LV Bunkley-Shelton.
Mookie and Rome are probably the only takes at receiver right now imo
If LVBS and Lambert aren't takes, then Rome surely isn't a take.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
Rome is much higher on the board than his ranking indicates
I tried bum juice once, it was bitterly disappointing.
Rome is not a take right now. He’s in tier with LV and likely below him within that tier.
I think the main focus at WR now is landing Mookie and trying to get Rosemy on campus. The rest of the guys all seem to be a notch or two below them. If they think Rosemy is a lost cause then they could always turn up the heat elsewhere (in addition to Cooper).
Ringo and a running back and this class is perfect.
Any idea how many more Day is looking to take to finish this recruiting class???
Thinking 25-28 range.
Hey Andrew, do we still have a shot at Sa’Vell Smalls from Washington?
Not Andrew. But no
What Woodshed said.
You're not Andrew?
that dude Ian the bee’s knees.
Also someone said Kurelic was on a podcast or something predicting the class would end up with 22. If so that is hilarious considering there's 19 seniors alone and then you obviously have to factor in early NFL guys, transfers, etc.
He said around 25, 24 at the least...I've notice lately you keep going at everything he says
Oh? I don't really recall mentioning him at all other than saying one of his picks likely came from a commit's parent. Sorry if that makes you so mad.
Lmao...gotta add the lame make you mad when you know it's true
Think I’ve posted over 200 times in the last few weeks and exactly two of my posts had anything to do with him. What a strange thing to get butthurt over.
I feel like getting into arguments isn’t helpful. Just let it roll off your back. It was comments or rebuttals that escalate things that make message board communities sour especially if done by an employee. Just my two cents to preserve the vibe at 11Warriors.
Buckeye for Life
Just to add, I appreciate your content overall. I don’t mean to say that you need to ignore debating a poster, but rather just not a fan of comments that make the staff here seem less professional. Again, I realize it’s only a message board and I might be in the minority. I kind of hold you guys to a higher standard with that staff attachment.
Noted. Appreciate the feedback.
Andrew you're good bro, you have just as much a right to defend yourself from an unfair attack as anybody else. We all appreciate you posting in these threads giving us a real man on the inside.
Agreed, and I was trying to be polite about my response and offer some legitimate feedback. In hindsight,I probably should have just messaged my response to AE directly. I just figure taking the higher road is a better look for 11W all around in these situations.
I thought his reasoning was actually good though.
attack? what did he have to defend himself against? apparently something was true if he had to throw out lame things like make you butthurt.
apparently something was true if he had to throw out lame things like make you butthurt.
Or, he was annoyed by someone posting something that WASN'T true...
what did he have to defend himself against
Hmm.. I wonder...
I've notice lately you keep going at everything he says
And when Andrew stated he has now made 2 comments on him, you for whatever reason though THIS was the proper response, rather than you know... provide evidence to the contrary (hint: it's because you were talking out of your ass and don't actually have any)
Lmao...gotta add the lame make you mad when you know it's true
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
...rather just not a fan of comments that make the staff here seem less professional.
I agree with this statement but don’t agree that AE was unprofessional. His comment was pretty tame. And I’ve personally got no problem with him helping to clarify the situation.
Agreed that I have seen way worse. I probably should have just messaged my thoughts directly rather than hang it out here. That would have been more professional on my part too .
The response was directly to AE and it added in an unnecessary shot that doesn't even appear to be factual. AE's response to that was pretty tame. I agree it's best to get back to recruiting but the original accusation (if one could call it that) was a lot sharper than the response.
No. The people who get butthurt over completely random shit have way too much sway here. Glad to see them called out lol
I feel like the guy has lost touch or just isn’t really that connected. He said he heard from a really good “source” that Milton will be a Buckeye and that when he makes picks he doesn’t change them...and then went on a podcast a day ago and said his “gut” is telling him Milton is a Buckeye but Georgia could certainly change that.
And then there was the whole doubling down on the Ricks flip mess...smh
With Gleitman gone, Bill Greene is the true insider over there.
He said 22 at first, then he waffled (shocker) and changed it to 24-25 because he realized saying 22 was dumb.
When asked to give a 2 number radius on the class size, whether it was 26-27 or 25-26 or 24-25, his exact quote was "I don't think it'll be 26 or that type of thing, I think it'll be in the 22 range"....This was from yesterday.
Guess I didn't listen long enough, in a 30 second span he went from dead set at 22, to then 24-25, and then ended up at 23-24.
He thinks there’s a 50/50 chance that the class will be 22, 24-25 or 23-24.
I read today where he said at least 24
You didn't listen to his interview then.
i would recommend doing that before choosing dumb hills to die on.
he literally posted 24 in the comments when ask, die on a hill because a bunch of old guys with no life on here? throwing dv is the highlight of the day for the majority on here.
And he literally said what was quoted earlier in a BM5.
then you went at Andrew saying he didn’t.
You were wrong. Let it go.
you are the one with a kurelic obsession. Hell, the other day Andrew said givler and Greene had a connection with Alford. You were the first fanboi to pipe in with “kurelic too!” Sheesh dude
and I didn’t DV you once.
throwing dv is the highlight of the day for the majority on here.
This is funny, coming from someone who averages more than one downvote per day (1650 in a little north of 3 years on the site)
Both of you shut it. We come to this thread for recruiting news, not to see you two argue who is right. Grow up and move on
This type of comment is typical from moneymike. He likes throwing shade at others, and doubles down often. He’s quite childish, and thin skinned. I wouldn’t worry too much about his comments. I think his user name alone shows his arrogance.
Is 22 completely out of the realm of possibility especially considering they might grab 1-3 grad transfers again? Aren’t they capped at 25 total between signings and transfers? I openly admit I could be completely wrong on this so I am legitimately asking.
There are loopholes to get around that. Eight of the top-25 classes last cycle had more than 25 signees. Ole Miss had over 30.
I think Ohio State will be closer to 30 than 20 for sure.
I hope that they only take quality guys that they really want rather than try to just boost the class numbers by taking a bunch of 3 stars like Michigan does. Day seems to know what he’s doing though so I’m not too worried
If they’re turning away guys like Jaheim Thomas and Luke Lachey (at least that appears to be the case) then I can’t imagine they’d take a bunch of fringe guys just to fill the class. Stranger things have happened though.
They’re at 11 now. Potentially add the following:
Milton and Trayanum, Mookie Cooper, one OL, Royer, Cam Large, Darrion Henry, Bingley-Jones, Mitchell Melton, Kourt Williams, Clark Phillips, Cam Martinez, Ransom (or someone else at safety, and then maybe a Rickey Hyatt.
That would be 25 right there and then they’d possibly have a few more spots to tinker with. Could be another DL, CB, or WR I’m guessing. I may have left an obvious name or two off that list as well.
If anybody is curious, leaving the one OL not specified out this class comes to 300.32 with 24 commits, which would have been good for 3rd in 2019. If I take some liberties and sub Cody Simon for Hyatt and make Carmody the one OL, it ends up at a 304. If Day pulls off an Urban Meyer special and manages to flip Ricks late, it shoots up to a 310.83
Great class if we can pull it. Think Milton is a big deal, as there really isn't an adequate plan B.
100% agree. RB is extremely important this cycle, and quite frankly it's our time to get a 5* RB. We haven't landed one since Beanie Wells and that was 13 years ago. Unfortunately, I just don't have a great feeling about our top targets in this cycle. I'm beginning to think there's a higher chance we miss on both Robinson and Milton than land either.
Wouldn't you consider Leroux and James and "fringe guys" to fill the class?
Eh I was more so just talking about guys that haven't already committed. Don't think I'd necessarily throw James into that category. It's fair to say that about Leroux though IMO. But then again I'm not some wizard offensive line evaluator guy either.
Fair enough.. was just an honest question. Wonder why Toutant just took a nose dive in the rankings? Dropped 70 spots today on the composite
That’s odd. I think he went up recently for 247.
Rivals is not a fan, was just dropped to the 71st ranked tackle in their position updates today
Damn recruiting services just HATE us. The fix continues. No way we have a top 10 class
This has to be a big class. Going to be a lot of seniors, early nfl guys and transfers
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
Clark Phillips might be our next defensive commitment. This kid is the 3rd best DB and is really elite. After him, who would be hitting for the 3rd CB spot?
Elias Ricks would be the dream of course. Joseph Johnson is out there but not sure he’s a take now. Maybe that changes after Phillips commits though. Could do a lot worse than in-state guys like Carrington Valentine and Sammy Anderson (if they decide to offer).
Sounds like it's kind of up in the air. I've never really bought the Ricks flipping to Ohio State vibe.. It's hard to imagine him flipping from one DBU to another.
Agreed. Especially if he really is transferring to a HS in Baton Rouge. Now a transfer to IMG? Then maybe there’d be a glimmer of hope.
Yup, if flips happen, it usually means a prospect got poached and is moving up the food chain-hello Mr. Toutant, or a recruit realizes he decided too early/gets vibes the staff isn't as hot on him and moves down/goes local-the RB from Indiana last year. Flips from LSU to Clemson or ND to Bama or whatever are fairly rare-but not unheard of.
Am I interpreting this Cody Simon recruitment right? A top 150ish player with a brother at ND but because they oversigned the last couple years at LB they won't take him. So nobody has really pushed much for him since they thought he was going to ND, so now he could commit early to lock up his spot at OSU?
Bank just said this morning that he could see us getting Williams, Simon, and Melton...especially since Melton could likely morph into a rush end in the class.
Wiltfong said on Nebraska's board that Simon is a battle between tOSU, Nebraska, Virginia, and PSU. So if we push gotta like our chances against those schools and BK sais our staff definitely wants to land Simon.
BG defense updates
- DL: Henry is in, Hamilton is in but in pencil not ink, watching Cowan's visit closely and we would take both him and KBJ
- LB: Williams is in, Melton could be rush end, hearing positive things on Simon and could be swinging our way
- DB: No reason to second guess Phillips CB, sleeper special is Ransom, Martinez is a wildcard bc he could also come in on offense, final spot could come down to Paige or Hyatt
Any word about Francois, the U CB commit who was supposed to visit?
Comments from LSU 247 insider on Milton post-visit:
He was very complimentary about all the teams in the recruitment. I think this is an SEC battle between Georgia and LSU though, at this point. I like Zach Evans to end up at Bama, as of now, while I’m leaning towards UGA being in a better spot heading into his visit there this weekend. It’s going to be a fluid recruitment, that’s for sure. LSU had a lot of momentum here. They can get it back. Just gotta hang in there.
Really hoping with hit it out of the park with Bijon this weekend, just will make it a bit of an easier feeling with Milton still having two SEC visits upcoming.
So somehow LSU managed to jump up from the back of the pack. Color me skeptical since they also thought they were getting Paris.
This is an OSU vs. UGA battle according to pretty much everybody worth listening to in recruiting. If you read the dad's comments in their article its about "we had a good time" "the food was great" "family feel"...and then you read about OSU's visit and it was in depth about their college plan. I think the LSU insiders are reading a little too much into things. A classic SEC reaction to a visit...refusing to believe a Big Ten team could possibly be a player.
Why would Evans go to BAMA? To redshirt? They sign five star backs every year lol.
They also regularly rotate 2 or 3 backs. Which is why they get 5 star backs every year.
His BFF just committed there a couple weeks ago.
He’s an OL and Evans has insisted they are a package deal.
They also go to the league. They don’t have a lot of wear and tear. They also will run the ball there. They don’t qb up the middle 20 times while leaving a nfl all pro with no carries. They play the best player regardless of class. They are a lot of reasons to go to Bama. In fact it’s a good buisness decision
Passed this along to someone and their response was simply "lol good one."
My favorite was back in summer of 2018 before the opening they had an article discussing Kam Babb and we were nowhere to be found in said article and discussion lol
This is pretty much the LSU insiders M.O. They usually put LSU at the top of the list for each guy that visits. Much like Loy and ND.
BK put in a CB for LB Cody Simon
Looks like Tom Loy followed suit as well.
That’s basically a done deal then if Loy CBs an ND target elsewhere. We will take him gladly
Nicholas l Ernst
Adding to this he had his official this past weekend with Nebraska, has an unofficial with PSU this weekend, and the official with us next weekend which appears to be his last visit since he wants to make a decision before the season starts according to BK
Where's Bob? Where's Bob? Where's Bob?
East Coast living with Ohio roots
Very impressed with the recruiting chops of Hafley. If we just slip in and get Cody Simon after not being involved with his recruitment at all, that’s all because of Hafley. He’s also been heavily involved with Clark Phillips, Kourt Williams, and Lejond.
al Washington has been just as impactful in this recruitment. I would count this as his first big get
This is also a good point. For those that don’t know, TTUN was the runner-up in his older brother’s recruitment, meaning that Mattison and Washington should already have relationships with his family.
This defensive staff can definitely recruit. Just need the time to build relationships. I’m not worried about that at all.
Build relationships and, well, actually show what the scheme is going to look like/how it's going to work.
True, but let's also not forget that Al Washington is recruiting him as well, and he is, ya know... the linebackers coach.
I don’t know too much about Simon, but keeping the Jersey pipeline open is great for the program. He has some decent offers but apparently someone said he wasn’t a take for ND. I’m just so eager to see this defense this fall. I hope Mattison and Hafley put their stamp on it and simplify things so guys are just making plays. Michigan recruits ok but their defense is solid every season. Our recruiting has been amazing and I Haven’t seen an elite defense in years. It’s frustrating. Hopefully that changes
I agree, it can be frustrating seeing other teams with 3 star recruits consistently do just as well overall as our group. Recruiting vs developing talent vs schemes vs experience. tOSU will not have guys with a ton of experience because many of them leave early for the NFL or don't have a lot of experience because they are sitting behind other 4 or 5 star guys. Not much we can do about that. We recruit a ton of talent, so that really leaves development and schemes as the two question marks. Seeing how many guys we get into the NFL, I'd say development has to be at least pretty good..... so that leaves schemes. I'm hoping some of the scheme differences this year will lead to better overall performance.
I would describe it more as every program thought he was a ND lock due to his brother being there. Now as it turns out ND doesn't want to waste spots in this class on LB when they've signed 8-9 the last 2 cycles. Especially since they need DB badly more than anything else on D according to their people.
Simon is a legit 6-1 220 with a verified 4.6 40 and 38 inch vertical. Those type of LB's don't grow on trees and it's also huge since he's at a program that produces top guys every year. He's a top 150 player and a big pickup should we land him. ND fans are very angry they aren't pursuing him despite their depth and especially not happy he's being CB'd to us.
their defense is solid every season
This is accepted wisdom on Michigan, but I'll remind any who have forgotten that their "solid" defense gave up 103 points in their last two games last year.
Am I the only one somewhat surprised about the lack of true cornerback prospects on the board this year? Aside from Clark Phillips every other DBs on the board appears to either be a longshot or a safety. I know some consider Cavazos a CB but he's listed by the recruitng services as a safety. Aside from hoping to pull off a shocker with elite guys like Ringo or Ricks the only other CBs I see listed are ones the Buckeyes seem to be trending away fron like Gray and Johnson. Perhaps the staff thinks some of those guys listed as Safeties or Athletes end up at CB? And I'm sure they have some other names on their board that we aren't discussing, but I would be interested to know what the plan is at CB.
Considering that Ohio State signed 0 CBs in last year's class I don't see how they could afford to not sign at least 3 true corners this year.
Cavazos is considered a safety, I think by the staff. So, that would be two right there. They would just need one more to meet your goal.
If the coaches think Cavazos is a CB, and we get Phillips, then it's really not an issue, IMO. Maybe someone like Joseph Johnson, Carrington Valentine, or Sammy Anderson makes into the class as well.
I completely agree. Based on everything that’s come out on Cavazos he is starting his career at corner.
But with two of our top corners likely leaving and not signing anyone last year, I have to imagine we take a third.
I see some big Booms coming in the next week or two...…………...
Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.
2020 class according to BG:
QB: Jack Miller
RB: Kendall Milton, Jaylan Knighton
WR: Julian Fleming, Gee Scott, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Mookie Cooper
TE: Cam Large, Joe Royer
OL: Paris Johnson, Grant Toutant, Jakob James, Trey Leroux, Luke Wypler
DL: Darrion Henry, Ty Hamilton, Kedrick Bingley-Jones, Jacolbe Cowan
LB: Mitchell Melton, Kourt Williams, Cody Simon
DB: Clark Phillips, Lejond Cavasos, Lathan Ransom, Rickey Hyatt
ATH: Deamonte Trayanum, Cameron Martinez
Score: 307.97. Which would be good for the #3 class from 2015-2019 except for 2016 where it would have finished #1
The world is yours
This again feels like a pretty big reach - we could get any of those guys and lead for most of them, but this is a true best case scenario list.
This is not close to a best case scenario. That would include guys like Carmody, Conyers, Elias Ricks, Jordan Morant, Desmond Evans etc
Well, sure. But it's a best case on the guys we have strong possibilities of landing. My point is this: Let's say we have a 60% chance of landing Milton and a 60% chance of landing Ransom. (that's generous). Then we have a 36% chance of landing Milton and Ransom. And the way the list is constructed basically assumes we land all of those guys.
I'm an optimist. But we aren't landing a 317 point class. If we get a 300 point class, I would be pumped.
You aren't playing the game very fairly with your stats.
If we have a 15% chance at each of Carmody, Conyers, Ricks, Morant and Evans, in addition to a 60% chance with Milton and Ransom (all %s for hypothetical purposes), then what are the chances we get 2 of those 7 or 3 of those 7? That's much higher than 36%. If we got 2 of those 7 total names, along with our heavy leans and current commits. we will have a 300 point class, and could be in the 305 range based on how rankings are prone to changing. You took Milton and Ransom in your vacuum scenario and ignored guys we don't have over a 50% chance with, which is making you more pessimistic in your post above (not you but the post haha)
I would say, though, that I think the replacement value guys - if we miss on some of our top ones, particularly Milton - is a ton lower, though, which is why I think we get to maybe 300 and that's it.
But we shall see. I thought in March that we would wind up top 5 but not top 3 and I still think that.
Man, if you are including Knighton and 3 LBs, I just don’t see a spot for trayanum.....
Been reported by insiders we would take 3 RB's if it shakes out that way with Knighton being an all purpose back.
I just don’t know how you sell that. Why does osu need 3 backs this year?
just don’t know how you choose osu if you’re trayanum in this instance (which is his fault IMO for waiting so long to commit).
With our depth and no one proven outside of JK it's actually a lot easier sell than you think.
So if YOU are trayanum, you buy that you should be the 3rd running back in this class?
imo people look through fan’s eyes and not the players’
edit: I’m not even saying he won’t come to osu if Knighton and Milton both commit. Just talking IMO.
Again considering we have no proven depth and almost had 2 1000 yard rushers last year it's not as hard of a sell as you're making it out to be. Knighton would be an all purpose back who would also play slot. Therefore not all of them would be strictly RB's only in Day's offense is how insiders have explained it.
You didn’t answer the question, but whatevs.
I can't answer the question bc I am not Trayanum nor do I pretend to be. How the hell am I supposed to answer the question when I am not the person being recruited?
Man, you are one angry dude.
I read somewhere yesterday that the staff will give trayanum 2 weeks after his official to commit. if he doesn't he will lose his spot
If Chambers were to move to LB and Dobbins were to leave early that would leave only 2 returning scholarship running backs for 2020 (Teague and Crowley). Big if's, but neither are crazy to imagine.
Leaving McCall out because (like Knighton) he isn’t an every down back.
Honestly this feels like the most likely scenario. If we land Milton and Trayanum, One of Trayanum/Chambers will probably move to LB/Bullet, and Knighton will be replacing the role McCall filled (hopefully utilized more though). That would leave a 2020 RB room of Teague, Crowley, Milton, and Trayanum/Chambers. Doesn't seem unreasonable at all imo
Are we going to get Desmond Evans for a visit? Seems that if he comes for a visit, then we can secure him.
We're supposed to get an official but If he leaves the state of North Carolina to play football I'll eat a shoe
Hopefully watching a Mack brown coached team will make him want to go elsewhere
Yep he'll head to NC State then
Dave Doeren isn’t much better.
North Carolina DL talent loves Doeren and the Wolfpack, recently.
I'll remember that comment about eating a shoe Spooner. I think the way LJ handled Tyreke Smith's PT last year as a true freshman is really going to help them out.
Givler would disagree with you and he spent time with the kid and those around him. We're not the only team that's having a really difficult time getting him to visit unofficially since Bama is too. Only visits he has setup or has visited is UNC, NC State, and VaTech. I would love to be wrong but this one screams homebody that isn't going far from home.
Everything can change with a simple visit.
Thanks for posting. That's one laid-back kid.
Went to the same high school as Desmond. Trust me, he is not coming to OSU and he will not leave the Carolinas, I can guarantee that.
Thank you for the honest take
I think this list is very reasonable. I like our position with just about all of these guys. The only prospects that are a bit cloudier than the others right now are Milton, Ransom, and maybe Cam Large.
I think our biggest competition for Milton is Georgia and Texas for Ransom.
First off, would be thrilled with this class! But interesting that it only has 8 OH guys after Day came out at the beginning and so strongly advocated for more OH guys
In-state talent just isn't all that strong this year, especially not when you compare it to next year. Just based off their spots in the composite, Drennen and Thomas (3 and 4 in this years in-state class) would be 10th and 11th in next year's class. If you're looking for more Ohio, give it a year
Agreed. Don’t recruit guys just because of state borders. Recruit players not state lines.
Couldn't agree more. There is nothing magical about living in Ohio. Recruit the best regardless of address.
I disagree-this is a fairly deep Ohio class. McClain,Drennen, and Lachey are all very talented recruits and tOSU is basically saying 'meh"..........3 instate OL commits, 2 likely DL commits, Royer, Trayanum, and a whole bunch of DBs talented enough for serious consideration/late offers
A lot can happen in a year—we know Ohio kids tend to fall rather than rise in the ratings due to a lack of offseason exposure more than anything. Henry was once ranked as high as 41 on the composite and now he’s 120 (his fall is even worse on 247); Drennen was once 91 and now he’s 206; Trayanum was 170 and now he’s 313. That’s a far cry from 2010 when Ohio had 15 players in the top 317. McClain is #6 in the state at .8884; in 2010, Ohio had 19 guys rated at least that high.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If OSU finishes with that class...I am not sure what more we could expect from Day and company. That class is one of the best I have seen.
Don't give a shit about the starhanderouter score, but I'd prefer to see another CB in the mix somewhere. Getting Knighton would be huge.
Aaryn Parks decommits from Penn State. That’s two 4 star linemen they’ve lost in just a couple days
6'4", 320. Committed for a couple months, notables on his offer list is UM, UF, OU, Oregon, VT, UVA, MD.
The offseason is the longest season.
Damn, part of me wants Ohio State to get in on his recruitment to really poke psu in the eye.
Wonder if he is a tackle or guard. Rivals has him at 6'5'' 293, 247 has him at 6'4'' 320. Big difference in perception just from those numbers (which is crazy in itself). 247 has him as a guard and rivals has him as a tackle
He measured in at 6-4 328 at the opening regional
I'd have to think OSU would investigate this kid if he has the flexibility to play either Guard or Tackle. It would be hilarious if he ended up here too.
never gets old.
I love the Penn State meltdown on 247.
I haven't started reading through yet but I am absolutely crying that the handle of the first person to respond is "FakeChow". LOL
It's awesome. The Penn State fans are pretty delusional when it comes to where they stand in the hierarchy of college football. A majority of them feel like they are in the top tier and they can't believe that a program like theirs is struggling to keep people committed. Some of them are starting to come around to realize Franklin is losing his shine and they might not be the powerhouse they feel they are.
Ohio State and Fleming make some appearances in the comments as well as a CB commit who scheduled an OV this weekend to Texas AM.
Penn St is a top 10 program. Don’t kid yourself
They’ve only won one major bowl game in 20 years and it was in double OT to a lacklustre 8-4 FSU team. Below you’ll find 13 definitively better programs than Penn State.
USC, FSU, and LSU are NOT better.
Oregon, Michigan and Auburn are a toss up.
Penn St can be in the top 10 conversation.
Just look how they’ve played us last 3-5 years. They could easily have won the last two. Don’t have blinders on
FSU/USC/LSU have all played for National titles in the last 10 years? and won in the last 15 Penn State? 25 years.
Each have more BCS/Major Bowl wins over the last 25 years.
Each has access to more recruits and national reach when it comes to recruiting players and coaches (whose LSU D-coordinator again?)
Penn State has 4 sub .500 seasons since 2000. If you're a kid over the last 20 years and you had the choice between FSU/LSU/USC I'm going to those schools instead of Farm U
They have not beat a good ooc team in a long time. It does not matter how close they played OSU in the last few years. Teams can play out of their mind against some teams, it is not a reflection of who they are the whole way. PSU was pretty iffy last year after pushing OSU hard.
Another year, they got shut out by Michigan and it always seems like they choke in bowl games. They are not top ten at all. Not close. Does not take blinders, just reality. They should be a better team than they are.
On what basis are they top ten?
Traditionally (what ever that means) they might be, but names like OSU, ND, Bama, USC, UCLA, Michigan, Flordia, Florida State, Miami, Texas, Oklahoma, Tennessee...and I am sure I am missing some others all make me doubt PSU is top ten.
On the field currently/recently? I don't see it. Not enough B10 titles or significant bowl wins to say so. OSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State in our conference alone (albeit MSU appears to be sliding). Add in Bama, Clemson, Georgia, Oklahoma, LSU, Florida, Washington, Texas A&M and many others that have been more consistent over the last few seasons/decades than PSU.
They finished last season ranked 17th, and probably should have been lower but their brand gives them a boost over the likes of Fresno State, Army, and probably some others that I think could have beaten them at a neutral site last season.
I don't hate PSU, but I think the idea that they are a top ten program is Nit Lion brainwashing and self promotion. It's like Michigan claiming to be a top tier program when the results suggests they are more top 20, not top ten. PSU claims top ten, not sure they are top 20 right now.
And on fourth and one... would you believe?
I give them borderline top 10. Think they are at least in the conversation with Auburn, Oregon, FSU, USC (albeit only right now), and I put them ahead of Washington and A&M.
Best way to think of it is this: you are a top tier assistant coach and the HC job opens up all over the country. Which are the first 10 jobs you would take? I'm not sure there are definitively 10 I would take before PSU. At least the 8-15 range is fuzzy.
Their borderline top 10 for sure if they could clean up their consistency and win a few games instead of getting blown out by us or Michigan every season.
Auburn has won a Natty this decade and beat Bama/Georgia in the same year a few times, Penn State can't claim that over us and UM.
Oregon has played for 2 titles this decade
FSU has won a title and was doing fine till Jimbo imploded the program and their QB's couldn't avoid Jail
USC is what it is however they played on the field USC has been more the better program.
All 4 above have done more on the field, and have more prestige than the farm school.
It's amusing that his announcement tweet is in Ohio State colors! LOL
Please Respect My Decision.....@RivalsFriedman @BrianDohn247 @rivalsmike @SWiltfong247 .... pic.twitter.com/cbASOg7Bm6
— Aaryn AJ Parks (@AP61_) June 12, 2019
Looks like Maryland might be a player.
You might be a player.
Penn State recruiting is going really well right now.
Toutant just took a bit of a nose dive in the composite. Dropped 70 spots
Rivals just dropped him to the 71st ranked tackle
PSU fans were probably just getting ready to say "see, no big loss". Then the Parks news broke...so they will now stay quiet on the matter,
Seriously though, is something up at PSU? It will be interesting to see if any others de-commit.
Wiltfong with the CB to tOSU for Cark Phillips III
That's huge. Maybe this will help ease the concerns of all those people on here that are upset at the lack of defensive recruits.
I have no idea who you're talking about
If we get Simon to commit sometime within the next month, would Melton still be a take?
Williams, Melton, and Simon are all takes.
I don’t know, that might be too many defensive players for Ryan Day
Any idea if we have been in touch with Derek Wingo lately? There is a post on TOS that was copied from one of the psu boards. The poster from the psu board seems to be from near where Flemming is from, and called him to OSU before a lot of people. Same poster claims to be saying the Flemming family is working on wingo. Interesting at least
I was under the impression that at the time Wingo committed to PSU, he was not a take for our staff.
At the time he committed. OSU was a lock to get Sherman Jarrett and Williams from DC and PSU was a lock for Fleming
Here are those comments (C&P)
So there is a guy (sklion) over on Lions247 who predicted Fleming to OSU months before it happened. He's now saying Fleming's family is working on Derek Wingo (St. Thomas OLB), and it's having an impact. When's the last time Bill or Bill checked in with Wingo?
Here are the respective quotes sklion made, first weeks ago about Fleming and today about Wingo:
sklion on Fleming: When Wiltfong CB’d Fleming to Clemson I posted in that thread that he was not going to Clemson because too far from home/family. I also posted he was really feeling OSU from talking with family, friends and others around the SoCol program and school district and that was the program we should be worried about. My barber, Fleming’s AAU B-ball Coach for 3 years, told me this AM as I sat in his chair the Fleming was OSU bound and would be announcing before the end of summer. I did not want to believe him and said the end of the summer is a long way off and would hold out hope that Franklin and company could get him back in the fold. He said Julian thinks PSU, Franklin and people in and around the program seem to be really pressing and something just does not feel right about the vibes coming from within the program right now??. He said Julian said there was a noticeable difference in the feel of the PSU program and he was just really uncomfortable around Franklin and the PSU program right now as much as he loves them, yes he said loves them. Conversely, OSU loses Myer and everything about OSU and the program is trending through the roof with Day according to Julian. He said Julian just feels like the OSU staff and program has tremendous focus and will be back to the top of the CFB world by the end of next season. Franklin and the PSU program has got its problems right now and recruits, al least Fleming anyway, are picking up some really high pressure vibes internally with the program right now. I was not going to post the conversation I had with my barber because of the backlash and ridicule I’d take for repeating rumors from of all things my barber? Then the May end commitment and CB’s roll in. I will say I hope you guys can shove this post up my ass for the rest of my days on this site, I’d like nothing more than to be wrong and misinformed. I mean that with all sincerity. I don’t like what I heard not only about Julian going to OSU but also about the negative and uneasy feeling he got from everything with the PSU program right now shrug.
sklion on Wingo today: Well, I’m told that Fleming and his family are speaking with a current LB commit [Wingo]. I’ll fan the flames even more to say that what they’re saying is drawing attention. Lots of attention
The idea of how this post is causing psu message boarders to meltdown just really made my personal bad day into a great day.
good line ....
*looks for coupons for bleach*
I put a lot of value in barber gossip. They’re like priests and the chair is like a confessional. A lot of things get shared and you walk away with immunity. People tell their barbers/stylists all kinds of things. If you’re going to trust them with cutting your hair, why not with gossip you have heard? And because they’re sponges, they absorb everything and then start spreading it around. And their network is insane. Forget six degrees of separation; in a barber’s world, it’s more like four.
PSU fans would lose it Wingo flipped to the Buckeyes. Would be a summer hat trick for OSU over PSU.
BK CB Phillips to OSU
Crystal ball pick! Now that's great news! 4th ranked CB would be a big help, and DB depth is very important. My biggest concern is depth on the DL then DB is prob next.
Ur relentless Bob. Phillips, MEH...I’m going to keep crying until Day signs a whole class of DL.
Now that's great news!
He spells “meh” very differently than you do
Nope, just like to see a balanced defensive class of about 12 defensive players. 2 LB, 3 DT's, couple safeties and corners, couple DE's. It that too much to ask? Right now it looks like a tall order. We can always move some of those great TE's to DE and those great WR's to DB!
Trieu just went foggy on Cameron Martinez. Does anyone know if he had OSU as the choice before going foggy?
Believe Michigan but not 100%. Trieu also said Northwestern is making a real push and could see them being Martinez’s choice
Not hard to imagine NU's approach: you'll be a featured member of our class, while you'll probably be one of the lower-rated (I'm sure they wouldn't say this) players in Buckeye class.
Easy to counter; It's not what you are going in, it's what you are going out.
Education is also usually part of the pitch but I’m sure recruits know that when they’re being recruited by them. I’ll never fault a kid for going to NW or Stanford over OSU for that reason.
He said on the podcast today he thinks it's down to Northwestern and Ohio State
It was on TTUN before
Trieu and Wiltfong are both great but I honestly think they’re in the dark on how much Ohio State likes Cam.
Flipped my Atteberry pick to ND. Probably should have done that a while ago.
You may have missed the memo, but we were only doing good news today, AE.
I'll trade Atteberry for Simon
No way! Not a good trade. A 218 lbs.Center would not work in the B1G.
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Your obsession with Bob is real js
I have bob brain.
AE, meant to ask this earlier but forgot. Since we likely won't grab Atteberry do you have any possible names for the 6th OL? Do they plan to take 6 OL or is it more likely were done?
Think they want another tackle or at least a guy who projects at tackle. Carmody would be ideal but not really seeing that one. They’re trying for the Harrison kid from DC too. Fryar is listed at center but think he has some versatility.
I'd throw in Branson Taylor in their if we miss on those two. Pure tackle prospect out of Elyria.
I think ND is planning on fielding 11 offensive lineman this fall. Word is 50% of the 2020 class will be OL.
I honestly don’t see why people keep saying this. We have more OL committed and will probably sign more OL than them. I think it’s because Loy throws CBs around like candy and some of them happened to be for OL.
Complete shocker here but Loy thinks Melton is a ND and TTUN battle. Not sure why he thinks we don't have a shot or even lead with OH roots and his sister going to college in state. Melton told him he's deciding on July 3 which is his sisters bday.
I do think this one is still very much up in the air.
But didn’t he just say that ND isn’t taking any linebackers?
Melton is versatile so I’m sure that’s helping his case with them.
Losing to Ohio State. https://t.co/TUrMjnOFx8
— Paris Johnson Jr. (@ParisJohnsonJr) June 12, 2019
Wiltfong said today on the BIG podcast show that he is close to putting in a CB for Cam Large to Wisconsin. If that’s the case I wonder if the staff would circle back around to Lachey. I don’t see us getting Conyers so who else would be our second Tight end if Large goes Wisconsin?
Do we really care what tight end we get honestly? Lets just sign some big Ohio kid that can block and call it a day. I don't even care if its another offensive lineman, we ain't gonna throw him the ball anyways.
He also just finished a nice fluff piece about how many 5* recruits are into UGA right now right on the brink of the Milton visit...
You’d think getting waxed by Texas in the bowl game was a good thing at this point...
Nothing gives a boost to the program quite like losing to Bama in high-profile games
Yes! They really are Charlie Weiss Notre Dame right now - all puffed out for almost winning.
I think everyone can cross any slight chance of Marcus Rosemy off. Hasn't visited OSU and just tweeted that a commitment is coming soon. Georgia should/will be pick IMO. Kid went from telling people that his top 10 was a legit top 10 with no leaders to a month later a commitment is coming. Give me Mookie and call it a class at WR.
Mookie for you nookie for me.
Pretty sure Fleming's commitment was the nail in the coffin of any chance that Rosemy was coming here.
Commitment could be to an all star game, don’t think he has committed to play in one yet
I crossed him off the list when I found out his mom started a “foundation” asking for money for student-athletes.
Edit: For transparency sake, the “organization” is for the “physical, financial, and emotional needs of student-athletes.” So interpret that however you wish.
Did you find this out in the last 24 hours? I thought last night you said OSU would continue to chase him? Just looking for clarity or if I’m misunderstanding
Like four hours ago.
Not a good look for whoever ends up signing him. Thanks for the response
Georgia it is then....putting my crystal ball in now with that information.
I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.
Crossing him off our list. Lol yeah don't blame the staff for steering clear of that.
Do not need anything like that at OSU. Give me Cooper and call it a day at WR.
He will fit right in down in Athens!
"Emotional needs of student athletes"-the Louisville hoops coaching staff tried that one for size a couple years ago............................
Lol at the Georgia posters who are now saying Rosemy is clearly the #1 WR in this class and they’d take him over Fleming. GTFOOH. They are literally the worst.
I would take Scott and Fleming over him any day, and you know, throw JSN in there too because he's a great kid who's mom isn't advocating for athletes to be paid.
There’s no fanbase out there with more self delusion than Georgia
Tennessee, Penn State, Michigan, there’s a lot of competition for that crown
AE, really appreciate all the work you do and the reliable information you share! Care to take a stab at a class prediction either on here or in an article? If not, I understand, just wishful thinking!
I can’t wait until the July ‘Heat Check’ as I’m hoping there are several less names on it. ;)
And, it will be cool to see the new names showing up after we’ve secured some of the guys we’re after.
I’m pretty sure the list is always 11 names long but I’m hoping a lot of the 11 from June’s list are no longer on July’s for positive reasons
That's so hard right now. A few position groups seem to be changing by the week. Running back is easily the trickiest spot at the moment. I know OSU doesn't believe Milton is an SEC battle like the LSU site claims, but I know Georgia remains a very big concern. OSU's commits seem confident Milton ends up in the class but you never know how much stock to put into that.
If I had to place guys into tiers:
Extremely confident: Darrion Henry, Clark Phillips, Kourt Williams, Cam Martinez, Ty Hamilton (assuming OSU pushes), Joe Royer
Fairly confident: Mitchell Melton, Deamonte Trayanum, Makari Paige, Mookie Cooper (Illinois is a real concern though)
Up in the Air: Kendall Milton, Jaylan Knighton, Cam Large, Kedrick Bingley-Jones, Jacolbe Cowan, Rickey Hyatt, Lathan Ransom
Probably Not: Bijan Robinson, Michael Carmody
Pray for an LJ Special: Desmond Evans
Very helpful and interesting.
LOL at the "Pray for the LJ special"
If they can get him on campus again, Hafley is going to shock the world and get Ringo!
Yeah, I didn't even include him but that would be a "Pray for a Hafley Special" I think.
BK seems a little less certain on Milton and honestly I haven’t heard a peep from Givler from an update standpoint since he’s made his pick (which I guess isn’t all that out of the ordinary since he doesn’t always answer questions). Kyle Lamb hasn’t said anything either. I think it’s all guessing at this point, even Givs and Banks...which I never thought I’d say...unless they REALLY know something we all don’t.
Color me very very concerned here. As you alluded to I think getting Robinson is probably a long shot. I hate being negative here and would openly eat crow on this in July if needed. We need an Alford miracle here.
Maybe after the J. Book comment everyone is just keeping it zipped so they don't rock the boat and respect the family's "process" (?)
I don't feel entirely confident or have any idea which way that kid is leaning, but there are a few reasons for optimism IMO:
1. The family has constantly talked about early playing time and depth charts. What's more imposing? Teague/Crowley/Chambers or Zamir White/James Cook/Kenny McIntosh?
2. Obviously the jbook tweet got to the kid's dad so I agree they could be playing things close to the vest and trying to throw people off.
3. I know the kid and his family love Alford.
4. Several of Ohio State's commits are confident.
Biggest concern is that I feel like they may be telling multiple teams/people what they want to hear, and those ones tend to be impossible to get an actual read on.
Very solid take on everything. Agree with it all.
On the flip side one could point out the kid loves retweeting UGA stuff. Don’t want to put too much stock into that but sometimes it is genuine. Example: Fleming retweeting pro-OSU stuff.
Also, at this stage of the game Kirby Smart and Del McGee are starting varsity team captains as recruiters, and Day and Alford are on junior varsity (if I’m doing a Bill Greene type analogy). That sucks, but it’s just the way it is.
Alford can get there and is a GREAT coach and mentor, but he really needs to win a 5* RB to be in that league.
Also, any hint on who told you to place that CB two weeks ago for Milton? Insider or recruit?
Givler isn’t the type to give an update unless he hears something has changed. I wouldn’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing that he’s quiet.
I don't think we know anything right now. Kid is in the middle of taking his officials; of course he's going to be a good guest and talk up the host. Let's see what everything looks like next week.
Concerning Carmody - I’m interning this summer in Pittsburgh and I’m working with another intern who goes to PSU. He’s from Mars PA and knows the Carmody family well. He said that ND wasn’t really a threat for him and it was between OSU and PSU, but he claims OSU is the leader by a significant margin.
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
Man, I hope he knows what he’s talking about
I will only believe this if you heard it in a barbershop.
Interesting news for sure considering pretty much every insider is saying Carmody is a done deal to ND since his brother is on the bball team.
I read something from Loy yesterday that there are sources who think it's going to be A&M of all places for Carmody. Said he's heard tOSU and PSU are 3 and 4 respectively but also heard sources outside the top 4 that think it's ND.
He just took an OV to A&M two weeks ago so it could just be a visit high. I'd be really, really surprised if it's A&M. Luckily, we get him on campus next weekend and have our shot. The best news in all of this is that ND isn't the overwhelming leader like some have led us to believe.
Per his Twitter, Lejond and Fleming will be in town for our massive visitor list next weekend.
Also per twitter, I got a notification that Kendall Milton and a few other guys started following a girl on the Ohio State Dance Team.
That has to count for something right? lol
I'm not too excited for the future of recruiting news if we're being honest.
Haha I totally agree
If he actually met her during his visit, don't underestimate how much influence that might have! Recruits thinking w/ their little heads isn't a new concept.........................
BG said during his chat today that he thinks we're the lead dog for Ransom. Also said that he's hearing things are kind of turning back to tOSU for Carmody.
Hell yeah! That's awesome news. If we get Ransom how far will that get us with Bijan Robinson?
If they could figure out a way to get Carmody in this class, that would be freaking amazing.
Well damn! Damn! That would be fantastic.
BG needs to stop stealing my scoops /s
Next weekend is just huge for OSU. Really need to use it to get on a run here this summer.
This weekend is no slouch. There are 3 guys I'd love to see in this class; Jacolbe Cowan, Bijan Robinson and Vernon Broughton.