Skull Session: Gunnar Hoak's Buckeye Blood, David Pollack's Bitterness Towards Justin Fields, and Denzel Ward's Workout With Odell Beckham Jr.

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soldierdad's picture

Who knows why Fields is here.  I like the idea that he wasn’t running from UGA but to Day’s OSU.  Guys like Pollock are so enamored with their own path they want to foist their way on everyone.  Time and opportunity don’t always pan out the same way for everyone, which is why any individual player should be able to make the choice best for them

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Buctor's picture

Well stated, and your opportunity comment applies very broadly as well!

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Snake64's picture

The author is taking Pollacks entire point out of context in this writeup. If you read the actual article Pollak was expressing frustration with the transfer portal and immediate eligibility criteria. He was lamenting the fact that a low rated player left Georgia to be closer to his sick grandfather but was denied immediate eligibility because "he didn't move to a school within the 100 mile requirement" even though their isn't a school close enough. 

Whereas Fields was granted immediate eligibility for what? Some say it's because he had racial epithets thrown at him by some idiot? Or because he didn't see a clear path to significant playing time for another year. While i agree these are legitimate reasons to transfer i dont see how those are stronger cases for immediate eligibility. He was granted eligibility because of his name and talent and that's what Pollack was really talking about.

For a website that often complains how the media twists things this is a classic example of the writer doing so to stir up the fan base about the QB situation. Mathis didn't even sign a letter of intent the only thing he ever did was give his word. He wasn't legally binded to anything in the way Fields was. 

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PhillyNut's picture

No, the writer is not taking it out of context. Half the article is about consistency in the portal but half of it is about staying and fighting which is what he takes Fields to task for. Interesting that he did not say anything about Eason who also transferred after realizing he was not going to get his starting job back and was not a grad transfer.

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Snake64's picture

Eason also had to sit an entire year and not granted immediate eligibility. 

Yes i get your point part of the article was about Fields should have stayed and fought for the job but the entire converstation was started because of lack of consistency on the part of the NCAA. I think that's where the real frustration comes from. Fields probably doesn't deserve to get immediate playing time if other kids who aren't high level talents don't get the same treatment. His reason for immediate eligibily is actually pretty lame in hindsight. 

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

Why are you singling out Fields? As far as I can tell, the NCAA is granting waivers to about half the transfers now.

You can say that you are singling out Fields because you’re an Ohio State fan - and thus you are most interested in his example. But then, as an Ohio State fan, you also care enough to point out that    his example is far from being special at this point. 

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Snake64's picture

I'm only pointing out Fields because that's the point of Pollack's interview and its what the author chose to bring up. Yes there are quite a few cases out there but Fields is a bit of a controversial point only because there is no real reason to grant him immediate eligibility other than his potential as an athlete. James Hudson got denied because mental health wasnt enough of a reason? The TE from Georgia got denied because he transferred to a school within his home state but the NCAA ruled it wasn't close enough to the sick family member? Drew SIngleton played for Michigan last year but was granted immediate eligibility to Rutgers because of playing time? 

Wasn't necessarily trying to single out Fields he was just the topic of the article. My problem isn't that Fields got granted eligibility and that i think he shouldn't. It's that i don't like the inconsistency the NCAA chooses to hand it out. In my opinion let them all have 1 transfer with no need for a reason or don't let them do it at all.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

My bad - I didn’t phrase that very clearly. I was really asking why should Ohio State media and fans give the likes of Dawg Nation and David Pollack support for singling out Justin Fields? They’re obviously butt hurt over Fields transferring from their beloved program and getting immediate eligibility, so we expect them to single out Fields anecdotally when complaining about an NCAA wide trend. But why should we play along?

Whenever enemy fan bases single out the Fields example, Ohio State fans should: 1. Point out that we don’t have anywhere close to the inside info on what happened at UGA, 2. Put the Fields anecdote back into the larger context of the NCAA passing out waivers like Halloween candy. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

It seems like if you hire a lawyer to go after the NCAA, you get immediate eligibility. If you don't, the NCAA has a rubber stamp denying immediate eligibility. 

Smart is from the mold of "old school" Saban...he wants a game manager and Fromm is the safe pick. Even if Fields won the starting job, he would be handing the ball off most of the time. Kind of hard to show that you are a better QB at handing off the ball over the incumbent QB. 

Fields skill set was not really a match for what Georgia likes to do so he was at a disadvantage in trying to win the starting QB job. In a way, his transfer and Martell's kind of mirror each other. Just glad that Fields didn't stick with his first commitment and flipped to Georgia or we wouldn't have him and would have to game plan against him every year. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Peak behind the curtain, what I do here is essentially read things and pick out what I think is interesting.

1) The reason I limited it to Pollack criticizing Justin Fields for not wanting to compete is because that's what I found most interesting about the article. Yeah, I agree the NCAA is inconsistent and (without knowing the exact specifics of Fields' case) it's bullshit Justin Fields got a waiver and he didn't. The NCAA is remarkably inconsistent. But that's not really an interesting take, that's a pretty unanimous one. I could find probably find an article a week with someone saying it's bullshit Justin Fields got a waiver and Luke Ford didn't. I am interested in Pollack (a Georgia great) claiming Fields is afraid of competition and criticizing him for transferring. I know that's not the entire point of the article, but it's a direct quote that's meaning doesn't change even when you add the context you say is missing.

2) I know the Dwan Mathis situation isn't completely apples to apples, and I recognized that in the article. He didn't sign a letter of intent. But it is effectively the same thing – he was committed to a program and bolted for a more advantageous roster situation the first chance he got instead of competing where he was committed.

I'm certainly not deliberately taking things out of context to drum up outrage. Again, those comments about Fields don't really change in meaning even if you put them in the context of the article, which is what I always try to do.

Snake64's picture

Kudos to you for at least admitting you cherry picked part of the article for click bait on fan base salivating for this sort of thing. Most men wouldn't. 

I guess i would've rather seen an article calling out the NCAA for it's ridiculous inconsistency as i'm more nuanced than most of the fanboy's here. my apologies.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

You could start your own blog, where your sophisticated, nuanced analysis does not pander to us simpleton fanboys. 

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Snake64's picture

Lol nah, i'm not nearly as talented as the staff on this site. Just seemed like laziness on the part of the writer and i expect better on this site. This is probably the most well put together site for college football regardless of fanbase. 

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Extramedium's picture

What's lazy about picking the part of the article to highlight that he thought his readers would be most interested in?  He's not doing a book report on an article by another writer for a Georgia football blog, he's putting together the Skull Session... Which, as we all know, is a daily collection of stuff he thinks his readers will be interested in reading.

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Kevin Harrish's picture
  1. I'm not trying to click bait you. Pollack said exactly what I said he said.
  2. I wrote an article criticizing the NCAA for its ridiculous inconsistency last week, as soon as Luke Ford's decision was announced. I guess you missed it. My apologies.
Snake64's picture

1)Yes he did say that but it's posted in a way that i guess i read it as twisting the situation is all.

2)I did see it. My apologies for lashing out

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I understand. I genuinely appreciate feedback, even if it does come across as harsh sometimes haha. And I do totally understand where you're coming from but I assure you I did not intend to twist anything. I did not mention the broader context of the article – you're right, and I understand why you would have liked me to talk about that instead of what I did – but I was particularly interested in Pollack's quote about Fields' competitiveness in this case, and I didn't feel like the broader context of the article was relevant to that quote. The broader context really didn't change anything about what he said on that front. I would never intentionally take something out of context to the point that it alters the meaning of a quote. That's lazy and unethical (and honestly, it's not worth it because as we've proven, I'd get torched in the comments before I even woke up the next morning).

I understand if you'd prefer me to talk about the NCAA's inconsistencies (God knows we could talk about that all day), but that doesn't mean what I chose to talk about instead was click bait.

Snake64's picture

I appreciate the response. I guess i got a little hung up on how i perceived your message with the article

i totally agree on the take of Pollaks comment about Fields competitiveness. It's unnecessary and sour grapes for sure. Any kid should have the opportunity to leave if they don't seem to benefit for waiting multiple years or if they feel they aren't getting a legitimate chance to compete for a starting spot. 

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FieldsofJreams's picture

Most men wouldn't. 

Implying that women or effeminate men would?

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Hovenaut's picture

Well stated, SD.

I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...

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Wargor's picture

To be fair to Pollock, that is true of most people well beyond sports.  We all are guilty to some degree of self-rationalizing the choices we make and especially the outcomes we get.  Not only are those grapes sour, but I'm pretty wise to not be killing myself at the office to have that bigger house and nicer car.  I also nailed the choice on what school to put my kids in, just like everyone around me who made different choices.  Beyond that, what I spend money and time on are smart and fun things, rather than all of those people wasting their time and money on dumb stuff that doesn't matter.

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Dillon G's picture

And how many loved Ward at 4 but thought they could have done differently? I mean besides me.

#walkaway

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MichiBuck12's picture

They could have done it differently but I'm glad they didn't. The Browns have always tried to get cute with the draft and trying to make trades and move around and what usually ends up happening is they end up screwing things up because they're trying to be smarter than they are. Get in, get the guys you want, and get out. Sometimes the smartest thing to do is to not think about it too much. 

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Triv's picture

I'm fully willing to admit that while I was okay with the pick, I wanted us to go with Bradley Chubb to pair with Myles (who had an awesome rookie year in his own right in Denver). Last year's secondary would've been an even bigger shitshow than it already was though if we hadn't gone with Ward, and pairing OV with Garrett has the potential to be lethal for AFCN QBs. Safe to say everything worked out pretty well for CLE in the end

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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blueblazer22's picture

I love that scientific journals are getting pirated. Not sure why i find that somewhat amusing, but I do. Cannot say I had any idea that reading the typical journal is so expensive. Way back when I used to use law journals for references in papers, but that was so long ago that I actually found the hardcover journal in the library. Now these things are behind a paywall?

David Pollack should just shut his yap. I can all but guarantee that he has not said a bad word about Mathis flipping to UGA. In principle I agree that the portal is problematic with all the movement, but a goof like Pollack shouldn’t pick and choose which situations bother him. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

It seems Pollack doesn't miss an opportunity to bash the Buckeyes any chance he gets anyway.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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blueblazer22's picture

How true. Between this guy and Desmond there is enough Buckeye jealousy/hatred for an army

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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SpielzWheelz's picture

...and we never seem to get any support from  our hometown Captain, the face of College Football ..... he seems totally mesmerized by The good 'ole boy, were just little old Clemson, Dabo.  Specially now that both his twin boys were offered Preferred Walk-on offers that were accepted.  He has totally forgotten where he started, Chasing down John Cooper at halftime for a comment as he worked the sidelines for 97.1

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Good lord. If it’s not “Urban’s fault,” it’s Gene Smith’s or Kirk Herbstreit’s fault.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I prefer to blame things on the Walrus and Nick Siciliano

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Snake64's picture

Mathis wasn't attending OSU when he switched and he didn't sign anything for OSU. So it's kind of apples to oranges. Fields had already signed and committed to UGA and then left because he didn't want to sit till his junior year. While understandable reasons to transfer i believe Pollacks frustration and point of venting was lamenting the process in which immediate eligibility is granted. Go read the actual article and not this blip the writer chose to share and you'll understand it better.

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Extramedium's picture

The point he's specifically discussing is Pollack criticizing Fields for leaving to avoid competition.. which is exactly what Mathis did by flipping whether he'd set foot on campus or not.

The NCAA and its relative fairness/unfairness when it comes to how they enforce their rules has nothing to do with whether or not Fields left to avoid competing for a starting spot.  It's a completely different topic and argument.

He could cover every aspect of every article he references, but then the Skull Session would take 3 hours to read through, and my boss would wonder what I've been doing in the bathroom 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Way back when I used to use law journals for references in papers, but that was so long ago that I actually found the hardcover journal in the library.

Edit: I made this statement before reading the article. I have to look more into this. I didn’t realize that the UC system had done this and I’m in the system (UCDavis). Maybe I hadn’t noticed due to being off work for so long...I’m not paying attention. So, some of my statement below is effected.

You can usually still go get the journal article at the library. It’s just that online access is limited. And now fewer people pay for subscriptions to journals because they are more abundant online. When I started doing research I hunted down and copied entire papers on the photocopier, whereas now if people don’t find it in a literature search online, it may as well not ever been published.

There are also a lot of open access journals too, and I’ve published some in those, because I want it to be easily accessible. It just usually is more expensive to publish.

So, not everything is behind a paywall. And if you are in the academic world, then the university typically has access to all of the journals (at least at R1 universities). But the university pays for it, just like they pay for Microsoft Office for the entire campus or programs like Slack. They have an agreement for all university employees and students to have access to the tools.

Memento mori

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Buctor's picture

Hope Mr Hoak get to play a fair few snaps this year, helping the preserve Mr Fields body for the late year run.  Hard not to expect them to put up many points.  If the defense does the historic quality of work, there should be time to play.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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soldierdad's picture

That fine line.  The inexperienced QBs need snaps, but need to stay healthy.  As much as I love big plays I Hope early on for the starter that they knit together a lot of long drives.  Piles of points from quick strikes will keep the QB relatively untested when the strong winds blow, so to speak.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

A former SEC player turned ESPN talking head being bitter about losing a player to Ohio State is probably the least surprising thing I've ever read.

Also, I didn't think this deserves its own forum post so I guess I'll put it here. But congrats to DJ Byrnes for being Zack Smiths "twitter tough guy" on the podcast this week. I'm still not sure what to make of the show but I think I'm starting to feel the same way about it as a lot of people feel about NASCAR. Its not that great, but there could be a major wreck at any second and if that happens, I don't wanna miss it.

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Extramedium's picture

I'd like to give it a try for the same reason, but there are only so many hours in the day and I already I'm behind on the podcasts I actually try to follow

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

I remember being on the 20th floor of a dorm tower in Richmond, Kentucky in July 1980.  I was in the bathroom washing my face when I started to literally bounce up and down on the floor.  After a night on the town the night before, I was a little queasy and thought I was about to pass out.  Eyes closed with soap on my face I grabbed hold of the sink with both hands and swore it was time to stop drinking.  After a few seconds, doors rattling around the dorm, I hear Marty "and this one belongs to the Reds" Brennaman announce on TV that we were in the middle of an earthquake.  I later learned that a 5.0 earthquake centered in northern Kentucky/southern Ohio had hit the area.  Sigh of relief when I realized I would not have to quit drinking after all.  Scary moment just the same.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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lamplighter's picture

I was there (EKU) in the early/mid 70's.  Favorite bar? (altho the names likely changed by the time you were there)

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

I was there from 1975 - 1980. Bars (spelling?):  Poopiacci's (Poops), T Bombadils, and The Family Dog.  The football team was pretty good back in those days, too.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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lamplighter's picture

I knew the owner of the Bear and the Bull. so spent most of my time there.  Never carded me, not sure if that was a good thing or not.

FB team got better after I left, of course

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I actually felt like fields case for immediate eligibility was more solid than most cases, Pollack is just butt hurt 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Certainly more solid than Tate Martell's.

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Snake64's picture

Fields and Martells case for immediate eligibility were literally mirror images of each other. Or an exact example of apples to apples. The only real difference is that Martell acted like a brat on the way out and that soured this fan base on him. Fields was at least quiet about his decision.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

You're discounting the racial slur incident with Fields that, whether you agree was a deciding factor or not, was in play when his immediate eligibility was being decided. 

I don't even care that Martell was a brat; it just doesn't make any sense that the UGA to Illinois transfer was denied while Martell's application was granted. 

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Extramedium's picture

Martell had a very legit reason..the coach who recruited him for his ability to run a read option had retired, and left him competing for a spot against a much more talented QB designed for the incoming system.

Regarding Fields, let's be completely honest here.. he remained at the school after the incident, the player was kicked off the team (not even the same team) and his sister followed to the same school to play softball.  How unsafe could he really have felt there?

Personally, I think players should be able to transfer anytime they want.. Fields, Martell, Georgia to Illinois guy.. no one is going to go to the immense trouble of changing schools, classes, cities, and teams without a good reason.  if a 17 year old Fields made a bad decision to go to UGA, and an opportunity to go to OSU opens up, that's a good enough reason.  If Martell is suddenly in an unwinnable situation, that's a good enough reason too.

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Snake64's picture

Exactly what Extramedium said. Idiot with the racial slur was gone and his sister went to the school. That's a pretty loose argument at best most likely designed by the lawyer to draw on the heartstrings and put the heat on the NCAA to "make the right call"

Like i said before racial slurs being yelled at him or him wanting playing time is a good enough reason to TRANSFER but it is in no way a legitimate reason to state he should get immediate eligibility. I'd consider someone moving home to be closer to sick family a better reason for immediate eligibility. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

You guys both make good points, though I think there's going to be endless debate about position coaches, types of offense, and whether it justifies a transfer. I totally get your point, but I do wonder if the NCAA will eventually say, in so many words, "anticipate some changes in the coaching staff when considering your college choice."

Additionally, the stronger the reason for a transfer, the stronger the likelihood you're granted immediate eligibility. Public acts of racism will almost always be considered a strong reason for transferring. 

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FortMeyer's picture

Pollack would change his tune if his talented ass was looking at sitting the bench for his entire college career. So Joe Burrow is afraid to compete? Sounds like sour grapes for the home team losing one of their best players. This vitriol will be coming out of his mouth time and time again this fall on Saturdays. Yeah...

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ToTheHouse's picture

Via 247 Sports: "...what Day has done.

Let’s start with bringing in 5-stars to the program. Day was the guy that recruited wide receiver Garrett Wilson. Day was a huge reason along with Larry Johnson that defensive end Zach Harrison is a Buckeye. Day was the guy that brought in qb Justin Fields to the program. Day landed another 5-star in '21 defensive end Jack Sawyer. Day and super assistant Brian Hartline landed wide receiver Julian Fleming. Day landed the country’s No. 5 overall prospect in the grad transfer portal in offensive lineman Jonah Jackson.

How about flipping prospects? Day landed an important flip in 2019 linebacker Tommy Eichenberg who at one time was committed to Boston College before opening things back up and subsequently committing to Ohio State. On Sunday evening offensive lineman Grant Toutant announced he has flipped from Penn State to Ohio State. Day is off to a good start to his career when it comes to flips.

And finally, how about getting in late on a top prospect and landing that prospect? All-American Game offensive lineman Enokk Vimahi wasn’t thinking about Ohio State until very late in the process. Day was able to get him to make an official visit to Ohio State and was able to land him.

Landing 5-stars, flipping prospects, getting in late on a recruit and winning the battle? Sounds like things Meyer was very, very good at doing. Those are also things Day has had a super start to doing as HC of the Buck's."

Yes, 11W was dope on all the above. Yes, 'elite cruits' (via the franklin pipeline), yes new coach's asst's (in skunk's face), yes all off-season bang'rs.

*Yes the sleeper game(s),...till then chill about 'where is the next Silver Bullet coming from.' Let's give all THIS *time to gel*(it obviously already is) from now through the beginning, middle, & end of the season.

Long as Owning The Game Tradition starts another 7-0 run.

Great Skull Kevin.

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BuckInNashville's picture

Between Gunner Hoak and the Buckeye Nation thank  you video , I am actually teared up.

tine and change will surely show, how firm thy friendship...

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Buck298's picture

O - Hi - O

Send the Earth Reverberating

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acBuckeye's picture

The more this plays out, the more it looks like, as Kevin said, Fields never should've enrolled at Georgia to begin with. Pollack is only upset about the transfer rule because it wasnt available when he played. He didnt get that choice unless he wanted to sit out a year. I understand it looks like running from competition, and maybe it is in some cases, but Fields couldn't pass up this opportunity. Where was Pollack when Baldwin and Burrow left town? Did he hate the rule then too?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Pollack is only upset about the transfer rule because it wasnt available when he played.

That’s whacked. The guy is the most decorated defensive player in UGA history—only the second 3x All American in school history besides Herschel Walker. Give me one reason he would he be bitter when things worked out so well for him? 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Agree that Pollack isn't upset about not having the rule when he played. Moreso that he is doing the ESecPN narrative that is taking anything against Ohio State and running with it to garner hits and ratings. 

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acBuckeye's picture

I should've clarified... I wasnt talking about him specifically, but more about players from his generation. Or should I say ALL players up until the transfer portal became a thing. With certain circumstances excluded, of course.

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Extramedium's picture

The portal has nothing to do with whether or not the NCAA grants immediate eligibility.  It's just a website that centralizes players looking to transfer

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toledobuckeyefanjim's picture

It's all sour grapes from Pollack's brain and mouth. Glad Fox is doing more Ohio State football games now. ESPN deserves the royal screwing it's getting from the Big Ten. ESPNU College Football show with Pollack and their other talking heads is nothing but a mouthpiece for the SEC now.
 

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BucksHave7's picture

Pollack just realized Buckeyes will be in this years playoff and UGA wont. 

BucksHave7

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USNbuckeyeBG's picture

I mean Pollack didnt really "rip" him. Its a fair opinion in all honesty. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I wonder if he was equally furious that that Dwan Mathis flipped his commitment from Ohio State to Georgia the second Georgia's roster situation became a bit more advantageous. I mean, that's effectively the same thing, even if Mathis never enrolled at Ohio State.

Pollack’s #badtake aside, on a comparative scale, Fields is like a man who leaves his wife after being married only one year, while Mathis is a guy who breaks off his engagement. I wouldn’t consider those situations “effectively the same thing.” But Pollack is right about one thing: the NCAA needs to be more consistent.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Snake64's picture

If you read the entire article/interview unlike the writer does here you'll see that the actual conversation he was having was about the NCAA needing to be more consistent in their determining immediate eligibility. He lamented that a low 3 start TE from Georgia left the program to go to his home state to be closer to a sick family member but wasn't granted immediate playing time whereas Fields was granted immediate eligibility without a real good reason. Transferring because of lack of playing time is a legitimate reason but i dont think its really a better reason for immediate playing time than moving back home because family is sick or dying. 

Absolute hackjob by the writer in  this instance. 

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

We got your point the first two times you posted in this thread.

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Meek's picture

More opportunities to collect down votes.

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Buck298's picture

You are very focused on this. Where y’all from?

Send the Earth Reverberating

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Snake64's picture

I'm focused on the inconsistency of the NCAA to grant eligibility fairly to every player. And i'm against copying parts of articles to further an agenda which is what's goin on in this Skull Session. Users on this site constantly bitch about ESPN and others like McMurphy doing this but when they do it it's ok. Screw that hypocrisy. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture
  1.  I did read the entire article, believe it or not!
  2. Yes, that is the conversation he was having, and I agree with every point he made about the NCAA being remarkably inconsistent, and every point you're making about the inconsistency of immediate eligibility. I've actually written about that multiple times on this very website!
  3. The broader context of the article does not at all change the fact that he criticized Justin Fields' competitiveness and decision to transfer, which is what I found interesting about his comments.
Snake64's picture

I didn't say you didn't read the entire article, i wasn't necessarily saying you didnt read it i was talking about other people who commented. 

I don't necessarily agree with his criticism of Fields in particular because i don't think a 17/18 year old kid who made a poor decision should be punished for a few years because of it. Pollack was wrong on that part as i think all kids should be able to transfer freely 1 time if they deem the situation not in their favor and not likely to change anytime soon. 

I read the article yesterday so i already knew what was in it which is what drew my ire. I think this site is better than using clickbait is all. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

What most other commenters on here don't understand is why you have such a hair up your ass about this that you've posted basically the same comment over a dozen times. 

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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Meek's picture

I feel you missed an opportunity by using the phrase 'hair up your ass' instead of 'got a woody'

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Extramedium's picture

they are two completely different points.  Maybe unfocused writing on Pollack’s part, but far from a “hackjob” because he didnt focus on the point you personally wanted him to

His job is to pick out interesting points to focus on, not summarize entire articles written by other sports writers on other sites.

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kmp10's picture

I wonder if he was equally furious that that Dwan Mathis flipped his commitment from Ohio State to Georgia the second Georgia's roster situation became a bit more advantageous. I mean, that's effectively the same thing, even if Mathis never enrolled at Ohio State.

I kind of agree with Pollack, in spite of my extreme dislike for him (I flat out hate Desmond).... and flipping a pledge is not like transferring, imo. I'll say this much, had Mathis not flipped, he would have ended up transferring just like Justin Fields, because Jack Miller and Kyle McCord are on different levels than Dwan Mathis. What's more, Kirk Herbstreit, Buckeye hero to half this community and asshole to the other half (I agree with those on the asshole side of the Herbstreit fence), said essentially the same thing about transfers... stay and compete. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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MichiBuck12's picture

I can see both sides of the transfer rule. I totally understand the "stay and compete" side of it. Competition makes you stronger. So does adversity. And I also think that society is moving in the wrong direction when it comes to taking on challenges. Having said that, I also understand that these guys are 18 or 19 years old and basically have a 5 year window to chase their dream. So I fully understand their desire to use those 5 years as efficiently as possible. If they make the wrong choice initially in terms of where to go to school, I would be inclined to give them a pass on trying to correct that. Fields choice to transfer I don't think is anti Georgia or anything. He chose them initially but after a year and the benefit of hindsight he no longer felt it was the best place for him to accomplish what he wants to accomplish. And thats ok. Same with Joe Burrow and Tate Martell and Matt Baldwin.

 
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Wargor's picture

Along those lines, let's not forget that the schools today aren't as fantastically loyal to their players as we might want in our fairy tail world.  Much like some people bitch about workers not having loyalty to their companies after the companies have done all kinds of things that display their own lack of loyalty.  Most of us are forced to sign a document that says the company can let us go at any time for any reason or no reason.  People forget that it also says the employee can do the same.  The same applies in college football where the coach will bench you in a heart-beat for someone they think is a bit better.  

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MichiBuck12's picture

This is true. And to frame it a little differently, the player is not the only one in competition. The program has to compete as well. If you aren't providing that player what he needs (within the rules) he can now find a program who will. Joe Burrow is a great example. He wanted and deserved to be a starting quarterback. Ohio State was unable to provide him that opportunity so he found a school who could. And good for him.

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Extramedium's picture

Agree with everything aside from the fact that he "deserved" to be the starting QB. It's all earned, no one deserves anything when it comes to something like football, it's purely competition

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MichiganBuckeye222's picture

On a personal note, thanks for posting the article on the DNA identification from the WTC remains.  

My Brother in law has still not been identified...and every day that goes by, you lose hope.  His daughter, who was 4 months old at the time just graduated high school....its amazing how long ago it was, and yet we all remember it like it was yesterday.  

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Major H's picture

We share your anguish. Stay strong.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I am very glad that Gunnar Hoak is now a Buckeye. His love for The University makes me proud.

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TMac's picture

The transfer rule regarding family health issues should be more flexible. A few miles, especially where no D-1 school exists within the 100 mile radius, shouldn't matter.  The NCAA would be best served allowing 1 transfer per athlete and be done with it. Yes, that makes it tougher on coaching staffs across the board, but it takes care of the fact that coaches "transfer" all the dang time, and the athlete has to stay.  $0.02

ONE Not Done!

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Extramedium's picture

Agreed, all players should get one transfer without penalty.. the NCAA can get involved after that 

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buckeyepastor's picture

Given the last decade, no one in Buckeye Nation should underestimate the importance of a solid backup QB.  Excited that, if needed, we have a guy who has been immersed in scarlet and gray since birth. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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OH-IO's picture

Georgia hasn't won jack since 1980. 

OH-IO living in SEC! SEC! Ville

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BucksHave7's picture

Must suck when your school's best football highlights are all on Astro-turf in non HD format.

BucksHave7

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Mostly Gray's picture

Curiously, it does remind me of another school's program too, the name is on the tip of my tongue. . .

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IGotAWoody's picture

Does it start with an *?

“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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stxbuck's picture

Japanese convenience store food is crazy-as a foreigner you aren’t quite sure exactly what it is but it tastes pretty good when you are drunk. Japanese people also use their 7-11s as banks/post offices.

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allinosu's picture

No matter the outcome, Fields didn't do anything different than any other transfer. He is not the one that gave himself immediate eligibility. Nor did Tate. Pollack needs to remember that. I don't recall him bitching about the multitude of transfers in years past. Now that kid that was denied was pure bullshit.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Living only a few miles away from Port Richey I can attest that the SWAT team took down the mayor. It was the most Florida thing imaginable. 

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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Major H's picture

Then the deputy mayor got arrested for something. I think the town dog catcher is next in line to run city hall.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Major H's picture

Since Port Richey is the next town over, I went back and re-read the whole article. All I can say is that this is the kind of mayor you get when only 26% of people turn out to vote. He received a total of 180 votes and won by 20 votes. If they don't lock him up, at least take the guns away from him.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Tarponrandy's picture

Hey Pollack- it’s a lot easier to stay in fight from the LB position.   They get rotated in, play on punt teams, special teams, etc.   QBs get mop up duty and a spot play here and there.  Makes sense to transfer in today’s game.   

he’s a dope- and a big reason I cut the grass pre-game instead of watching espn game day.

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Extramedium's picture

Also three on the field at any given time

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Nutinpa's picture

If all goes according to plan, Gunnar Hoak won't play a competitive snap for the Buckeyes.

While we know what you meant by that comment, I hope Gunnar Hoak plays a lot of "competitive snaps" for the Buckeyes, even it it is "mop up" duty in the fourth quarter.  I think these kids consider every snap a competitive one, even if the game has already been decided.  I hope he does more than just take a knee in the last 10 seconds of a game .....as long as Fields is delivering as we expect him to do. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Funny thing - when it benefits your team, you're all gleeful and don't bitch about the portal, but when it goes the opposite direction, it's the worst thing on the planet!

The best thing about Pastafarianism? It is not only acceptable, but advisable, to be heavily sauced

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Colortv1967's picture

Fields realized that he had been recruited with lies at Georgia so he left. Pollack has been running his mouth for years.

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awlinBrutus's picture

no more skull session? 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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