Ryan Day, Greg Studrawa's Offensive Line Class Likely One Big Piece Away From Closing Out 2020 Chapter

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rblackbu's picture

On paper 2019 and 2020 have brought size and depth. There don’t seem to be any gaps when you add those 9 dudes up. Looking ahead to 2021, what are we looking at in terms of how many we offer should everything stay static?

"When you help someone up a hill, you get that much closer to the top yourself..."

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Woodshed's picture

IMO, you can’t count the Hawaiian kid. If he goes on that mission, it will be 3+ years until he contributes.

also IMO, Jones won’t contribute for at least a couple years.

add in Leroux and your 9 is down to 6 in a hurry.

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Triv's picture

There's a relatively decent chance that OSU returns 4 starters along the OL in 2020 and the only open spot will be at RG with Jackson leaving. Munford could turn pro, but he needs to make another big jump to project as a day 1 or 2 pick so I think he stays for his Senior year.

So while we may be "down to 6 in a hurry" we really only need 1 of those 6 to be able to play by 2020 (Harry Miller probably has the inside track). So by 2021 the 2019 guys will be in their 3rd year in the program, Vimahi will be returning from his mission as a 21 year old with 4 years of eligbility (assuming he starts it in 2019), and the 2020 guys will be in their 2nd year in the program.

Feels like we're doing just fine from a depth standpoint imo.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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Hovenaut's picture

This isn't in the vein of criticizing Coach Studrawa, but I think he and Coach Day sat down early in the offseason (or directly after Meyer handed things off) to outline the needs for this OL group - immediate and down the road.

Which I applaud, because this all has to start up front.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Exactly right. The recent past had some great talent. The current roster has some great talent. How much they can be developed for maximum results is an unspoken question that many will be watching. It would be a fantastic time to overactive. Another publication mentioned the top coaches may have much higher expectations.
He wasn't retained by LSU. Again, I hope things improve and he gets all deserved credit. The talent is there. Let's make them even better.

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Dillon G's picture

Stud needs to develop them. I realize and accept what Meyer said a couple of years ago. Coaches look better with better players.

#walkaway

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buckslan's picture

As does every coach. But why does Stud get hate for a lack of development? The pass blocking last season was phenomenal, and he has 2 rimington award winners under his belt. Those are the only two individual national awards that Buckeyes have won under Urban Meyer, and they both came via Studrawa.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Taking credit for Elflein Is a stretch. Both he and Price were well on their way development-wise before Studrawa came on board. 

Pass blocking last year was good but the run blocking was bad. Five 300# plus guys up front and we couldn’t open a hole to save our lives. 

Stud is out of excuses this year. He has a solid returning left tackle, Davis and Jackson at guard, Myers at center, and either Bowen or NPF at right tackle (not to mention a QB who is mobile and very fast). It is time to dominate the line of scrimmage like we used to do. 

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

Pass blocking was good. Run blocking was was below average and it showed too often. I think we were ranked around 65th in run blocking. We should be 65th at nothing good.

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ollie81's picture

Was the run blocking bad or was the scheme bad?  Can you really run a read option when your QB runs like he is stuck in mud? 

"Because I couldn't go for three."

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

I would put some of the run blocking issues on Urban.  Third or fourth down and less than a yard to go - sometimes inches - and he still does a shotgun snap.  In many short yardage situations it is best to put the QB directly under center.  Getting that first, initial push is crucial.

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Osusam77's picture

No hate, but does it seem like we had more misses on the O line then at other positions?  Maybe I’m wrong, but several guys have moved on over the last few years that we thought would be studs. We have a couple young studs that he and Meyer brought in that will likely start this year. I think this will be a good test to see if he can get them playing at a high level. My gut says our O line will take some time to gel but will be very good this year. 

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Woodshed's picture

Everyone has more OL misses because there are more OL on the field and on the roster at one time than any other position.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Not sure what the bugaboo was last year with the run blocking, but you couldn't have asked for better progression when it came to pass blocking.

I think adding the QB run wrinkle is going to help and will make the offense look more multiple. I really like the guys that they've brought in from a physical standpoint, character standpoint, I mean so far they seem to all check the boxes on what we want to see in a Buckeye O-lineman, regardless of the number of recruiting stars they generated.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I didn't buy the RPO excuse last year...didn't make any sense when literally almost every team out there runs some sort of RPO these days and that was the first time I've ever heard the excuse that because the OL doesn't know if it's a run or a pass, they can't run block.  They weren't firing off, and weren't creating space for the RBs. Like many have said...Pass Blocking was fantastic.  My theory is they had too many tackle-type frames across the interior of the line.  There's a reason most interior OL are 6-3 to 6-5.  I don't think those taller players can get the leverage they need in that close of quarters with the DL.  The tackles have room to extend their arms...that space isn't their inside.  I think for that reason, with Myers, Davis, and likely the Rutgers transfer inside, you've got more prototypical OG/C body types...I'm looking for much improved run blocking for that simple reason.  

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buckslan's picture

When you rpo with a QB like Haskins who doesn't really run, you don't know to run block past 3 yards. Since Haskins would keep the ball and sling it, the OL can't run block down the field or else they would get an illegal man down field penalty. When Haskins started running more towards the end of the season, the run blocking picked up.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

The RPO isn’t the read option...the QB being a running threat isn’t necessary.  The Eagles used it with Foles on the way to the Super Bowl, and its what Purdue used to destroy the Buckeyes last year.  The QB isn’t reading the DL, he’s reading DBs and LBs in coverage...if they bite on the run, he throws it right behind them.  If they stay in coverage he gives.  Some teams have the added QB run to make it a Triple Option in a sense with 2 run options and a pass, but RPO is Run Pass option, with the RB usually being the primary option. 

I fully understand the excuse, but it’s BS if you ask me.  Never heard that before from any coach, and literally just about every team other then the academies are probably running RPOs to some extent now.  

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I feel like a portion of it has to be traced back to how distinct the offense was. On a "running down" the defense knew Haskins wasn't going to run so they could key on the backs and make the gains shorter than they otherwise would be.

Adding the QB run threat makes it so the defense has to account more for multiple run options. Probably a very small part of the issue, but could be in there somewhere.

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Dillon G's picture

Ohio State lined up in option (zone read) formations and the QB didn’t run the option, making a short path to the running backs. 

#walkaway

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MercyTex's picture

I don’t understand the fascination with 6’-7”+ interior linemen. For a tackle that’s an advantage but between the guards it’s more of a liability to leverage down linemen in the 0 to 3 technique. 

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gobucks1966's picture

Pass blocking is the reason tall kids with long arms. They remind me of the old Texas Tech  teams a bunch of no name trees when recruited but the qb rarely was sacked. The running game was just enough but their running backs were like the line man not big name recruits. Another difference in our trees they are athletic and will be in shape. The Red Raiders lineman looked over weight and beer belly types.

Denny

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gobucks1966's picture

Warriner couldn't recruit very well but did a great job in 2014 throwing that line together. Studs is interesting and if this years line doesn't step up run blocking he could be the next to see the door. I never hear to much from recruits raving about him either and not sure how much he had in getting some of these kids here other than the two Ohio kids. Unless the line steps up I wouldn't mind a change with a up and comer who wants to recruit and show some fire. I also would like to know the future  for Mattison and how long he will be around. Might be a one and done then retire?

Denny

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stpetebuck's picture

I guarantee the Buckeyes improve at running and overall defensive play, especially at lb. Too many top recruits, and such obvious areas to improve in. And yes, Stud needs to show out in particular. But offense was not a problem last year. 

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gobucks1966's picture

Everyone can agree on that one about the offense rated number 2 in the nation but in reality it was number one. There are no defenses in the Oklahoma conference at all. On that note hard to replace a coach with that kind of offense but If the run game doesn't get better and if we don't start pulling more better lineman here that gives reason to put Studs to the door. Studs is on the hot seat now as the teams new whipping boy and may have been sent packing last year if not for what I mentioned above.

Denny

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