Skull Session: Looking at Julian Flemings Film, Chris Holtmann is Underrated, and Ohio State's Best Tradition

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stanley_1914's picture

Folks will come around on Holtmann over the next 2 seasons. With the talent he's bringing in through recruitment, the Basketbucks should be a sight to see

Marcus Hall flipped two birds because he couldn't flip three

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Dillon G's picture

I remember Carpenter breaking his lower leg/foot, and finding his own way off the field in the Game. Huge stones.

#walkaway

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acBuckeye's picture

Got to meet Bobby when I worked in TV in Dallas. He signed a picture of my little girl decked out in OSU gear. Love the guy.

Edit: btw my heart sunk when I saw him go down against TTUN. Much the same way when it happened to JT.

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mr.green's picture

But of course both had a stud right behind them on the depth chart. 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Julian Fleming looks to be the prototype for a big time WR in 2019. His film his pretty amazing as well. His 40 time is completely unimportant right now, and once he’s with a world class SC staff it will improve 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I still thinks its insane that we once had AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, and Anthony Schlegel on the field at linebacker at the same time. And the craziest part is that when one of them got hurt, James Laurinaitis came off the bench.

Also Madison Bumgartner is a bum. If you don't want dudes admiring their monster home runs, maybe you shouldn't let them hit baseballs so far they land in international waters. I love baseball but I really hate it when people get all uptight about stuff like that. You shouldn't be offended by guys having fun and you sure as shit don't get to tell someone else how to celebrate when they got the best of you. If you don't want them to celebrate, you have to win.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

That trio at linebacker is right up there with 1973 Randy Gradishar, Rick Middleton and Vic Koegel.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

I still thinks its insane that we once had AJ Hawk, Bobby Carpenter, and Anthony Schlegel on the field at linebacker at the same time. And the craziest part is that when one of them got hurt, James Laurinaitis came off the bench.

 Those 3 were the best LB trio I have seen play for tOSU.

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Extramedium's picture

100% agree except for the part about loving baseball.   Any sport in which you can eat while on the field of play is not truly a sport 

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FieldsofJreams's picture

So you are saying armchair quarterbacking is not a sport either?

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kevdale86's picture

I’d say CJ Walker missed more than just a few games down the stretch. 

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IGotAWoody's picture

Yeah, I think the writer meant Kyle Young.

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BucksHave7's picture

I guess I like it for sake of B10, but I just dont get the early hype on TTUN.  Did we forget the Peach Bowl already?  TTUN lost to Florida 41-15.  And Shea Patterson still has bad footwork, mechanics and ball security. 

I know TTUN offense is returning alot of starters, but D Loses 4 D linemen and returning Defensive production ranks 106 out of all FBS 130 teams. 

BucksHave7

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ToTheHouse's picture

Long live the skunk weasel mirage through the next 7-0 !

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Extramedium's picture

I swear they do this every season.  Some aggressively average team has many of their average players returning, so suddenly they are going to be a force to be reckoned with?  

Last season everyone made a fool of themselves following the same logic with Wisconsin.  Weren’t they ranked #3 at some point?  It’s like these people who are paid to do nothing but watch and talk about CFB have no idea what’s going on 

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Hovenaut's picture

Urban probably wouldn't have recruited AJ Hawk?

Man, I'm usually no good at the what if game, but that's a likely reality that's difficult to look past.

Good thing history told that story just as it should.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

According to an anecdote Coach Tressel relayed to me (got to meet him at an OSU alumni lunch with Mrs. Navy), OSU almost didn't recruit Mr. Hawk. The defensive coaches said Hawk wasn't big or quick enough for the Big Ten, and his only other real FBS offer was Akron or Kent State (can't remember which). Coach Tressel went to see and talk with the player. He told the young man what the staff had said, and asked him what his plan was if college football didn't pan out for him. Apparently Mr. Hawk looked Coach directly in the eyes and said, "No problem. I'm going to go be a Navy SEAL."  That was enough for Coach to offer A.J. Hawk a spot on the team.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I might be misrembering things, but I vaguely remember Tressel calling Hawk either while he was in route to visiting PSU or just about to leave. And he had injured his leg his Junior year so there wasn't a ton of tape on him.

And wasn't Mike D'Andrea part of the same LB class with Carp and Hawk? He was the true 5 star gem of that class. I'll never forget that video of him jumping over a car.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Could be, but did they offer him?

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Here's how I remember it going: Hawk was on his way to Happy Valley the summer before his Senior year either to accept his offer or camp for one....either way, I'm 90% sure PSU was OSU's biggest competitor for him.....but that was ~18 years ago, and I'm an old dude, so take it with a huge grain of salt!

One funny anecdote of how stories can be "embellished" or "coveniently changed" with time, is Woody Hayes spoke to my high school football team (we had a couple assistants that were his former players) and for whatever reason I distinctly remember him saying that Earle Bruce had quit the team at one point and was literally walking home----literally walking home, and coach Hayes said he drove his car out to pick him up and bring him back to the football team......in the mid-1990's I got a chance to talk to coach Bruce at one of his live radio shows, and I specifically ran this story by him....and with a twinkle in his eye, coach Bruce said something like "coach Hayes was always a great story teller." I took it that coach Bruce probably tried to quit the football team, but he never walked home and coach Hayes never drove out to pick him up.

But who knows? It's always fun to believe whatever you want when no one's being harmed....it makes for a much better story!

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

I merely relayed the story as told me by Coach Tressel. If that's not exactly how it happened, whatever.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

It's a cool story.....no doubt about it. You don't get to become HC at OSU and perhaps the best recruiter of his generation without being a great story teller. If the story was told to me, I'd love to run it by Hawk if I ever met him....especially the Seal part of the story given your background.

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stxbuck's picture

 D'Andrea was probably the subject of the biggest internet waiting for a recruit to commit freakout in tOSU history.

Hawk was offered by PSU and Sparty. He hurt his knee his senior year, not his junior.

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Hovenaut's picture

That's a helluva add on to the story, NB...wow.

Size of the fight in the dog indeed.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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RUNTOWIN's picture

Awesome story!  I could read stuff like that all day!!

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I saw Mr Hawk walking on campus a number of times and there is no way the words "too small" could be attributed to him. The guy was huge.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

He's only 6'1" & 247 lbs.  Probably only weighed in around 215-220 coming out of HS. Not huge by FBS standards.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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blueblazer22's picture

The Euro design is fine by me, but I find it odd that nobody knows where it really came from nor what other designs it was up against. Not that it really matters I suppose, but mildly interesting. 

I guess I can see why ttun would be favored this early, but it still seems ludicrous. Yes, there are more question marks on the OSU side than there have been in ages, but really what has JimBaugh done to instill any confidence that his team is capable of beating the Buckeyes? Let them have their fun of being favored in June and their September Heisman and then watch them fail miserably as usual. 

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Major H's picture

I would have liked to see some of the designs that were not chosen. Was living in Europe when the Euro was launched. Started off at a great exchange rate, over 1 Euro per dollar, went to as low as 79 Euro cents per dollar. For at least two months before the launch, the local sale brochures would have the sales prices in both Euros and Guilders. Then mentally you'd have to convert to $ to see if it was a good deal or not. That was fun.

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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acBuckeye's picture

About the only 5 star LB in OSU history I'd give pause in taking Hawk over would be the Big Kat. I've never seen a specimen that big move that fast in the Scarlet and Gray.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

I don't know if Randy Gradishar, Tom Cousineau or Chris Spielman were five stars, but they have to be up there.  Laurinaitis was a three star? Still, AJ ended up as one of the ALL TIME great LBs at TOSU. no question.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Considering Spielman was the first high school athlete to grace the front of a Wheatie’s box,  I’d venture to guess he would have been a 5 star recruit if that was a thing back then. 

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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BuckNut_1974's picture

Imagine Spielman, Hawk and Katzenmoyer all playing together.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Totally agreed. Katzenmoyer was a devastating hitter, instinctive, and super-fast. Thankfully, AJ was too. I can't imagine those two on the field together. Last year really, really made me miss some of the previous two decades' LBs.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BBQ_Fan's picture

Link about the Euro symbol reminded me of when I travelled to Ireland on business right after the Euro bank notes and coins were issued in 2001. First time I was ever in another country where EVERYONE was looking at their money trying to figure out what was what.  Felt like a local!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Full agreement here, but if we're going this route, that would mean that Michigan's tradition would be...

So aside from losing to Ohio State, which has the Skull Session, Ramp Entrance, Script Ohio, and dotting the i, among others, what is Michigan’s greatest football tradition? Free tickets with the purchase of Coke products? Free donuts to students who come to noon games? Those are suggested partly in jest because I honestly don’t know. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Potentially the most iconic ironic fight song in college football.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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MichiBuck12's picture

According to them, its the fight song, the winged helmet (that they stole from Princeton), and the biggest stadium in college football.

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

My boys work with several former professional baseball players in hitting, pitching, and catching. Most if them would have the Bumgarner perspective. Personally, I say if you don't want someone admiring a home run, pitch better.

Muncy will likely get plunked in his first AB in the next LA/SF series.

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NavyBuckeye91's picture

Long games along with pitchers and other stodgy old men complaining about bat flips and showboating will be the death of MLB. They are hemoraghing fans; MLB needs something to draw a new generation of fans. So if a guy talking trash after cranking a ball into the lower stratosphere gets people talking, maybe the pitcher needs to shut up and collect his paycheck.

Players work in the entertainment industry. Fans pay to be entertained.

"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

A player celebrating a good play - whether hitting, fielding or pitching - is part of sports. Pitchers fist pump strikeouts. Hitters should bat flip HRs.

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

I admire how baseball is one of the last parts of Americana that's trying to cling to "old fashioned values" but I don't see the disrespect in a batter standing there admiring a well hit ball, or doing a couple fist pumps.....hell, what's the point of being an American if you can't celebrate your success! ha

Things like dancing around after hitting a dinger or pointing at a pitcher laughing at him as you round the bases.....that's bush league deserving of a fastball in the ribs..............but please, let the batters admire great homers!

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

"Things like dancing around after hitting a dinger or pointing at a pitcher laughing at him as you round the bases.....that's bush league deserving of a fastball in the ribs..............but please, let the batters admire great homers!"

I agree 100%, High Street.

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aeronaut's picture

This is the most amazing hypocrisy to me. Pitchers are celebrating getting batters out at least once an inning, but when a batter wins a match-up its suddenly taboo to celebrate.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Maybe MadBum can take another long ATV ride to forget about giving up 600-ft fingers for a while. I hear that worked last time.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

"dingers"...damned autocorrect

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Myron Medcalf of ESPN has Chris Holtmann as the No. 6 most under-appreciated head coach in the country

I think Myron under-appreciates Holtmann's under-appreciatedness

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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DCDDC's picture

I appreciate coach Holtmann.

m GO BLOW!!!

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Meek's picture

I appreciate GoBuckeyes1020

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Mortc15's picture

“Run backwards and pray?” I laughed too hard at this. 

Buck-I4Life

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tampatom's picture

MLB is long and boring, who would watch, they need a villain or two like when John McEnroe was in his prime.. would tune in just to see his antics. 

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cledaybuck's picture

Over our last two games against them, our average margin of victory is:

UM-17

UW-6.5 (with one a 7 pt OT victory)

PSU-1

and we are giving 9 points against UW, 10 against PSU, and getting 3 against UM.  Huh?

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Full agreement here, but if we're going this route, that would mean that Michigan's tradition would be...

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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RUNTOWIN's picture

Everyone on the outside wants to say the Buckeyes are the underdog this year. However, I have yet to read an actual analysis for that conclusion. I’m not talking about one from the dip shit Gameday host from up North either.  

Home game - check. (But who cares?)

Returning QB - check.  (Again, who cares?  What’s he have around him?)

Anything  else?

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Huskerbuck's picture

Appreciate coach Holtmann to the max already!  In addition to being an excellent recruiter and quality coach he is a high character guy which has to impress recruits and their parents. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Yep - beating TTUN is a tradition - NAILED IT

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rdsbucks's picture

Guys, I believe you have misspelled Toutant's name as Toutart.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

If he masters the art of blocking, I'll tout his name all day long...

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Kevin Harrish's picture

At least I got it right in the commitment piece, where it counts.

stxbuck's picture

AJ Hawk WAS can't miss in-state talent. D-1 All State 3 years in a row, and showed his talent on the field every game. Why can't the OP/author just admit that maybe, just maybe, the opinions of men like Jim Tressel and Ryan Day regarding football talent should matter a tad bit more than those of starhanderouters who aren't on a college coaching staff-and probably haven't seen said 3 star w/ an offer from tOSU or Bama at their shorts n' sprint camp. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I... I don't think I ever said or implied that their opinions don't matter more. That would be stupid. I literally said there was no doubt about how good A.J. Hawk was, even though he was a three star.

I DID say the recruiting rankings matter, because they pretty undeniably do. A given five-star prospect is far, far more likely to be an All-American than a given three-star prospect. That doesn't mean a three-star prospect is absolutely doomed or that a coach can't find a three-star (or unrated) player that could be a star, because that's their job and they do that all the time.

stxbuck's picture

Can anyone-Coach Day, starganderouters,fans in the stands/inter webs-tell that a given kid is a great prospect-absolutely. Does saying a kid is the #11 OT vs the #20 OT mean much of anything-absolutely not-and doing so just plays into the paranoias of ill informed fans, imo.

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