NCAA Remains Consistently Inconsistent, Upholds Luke Ford's Waiver Denial

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Bullshit if you ask me. How Martell or even Fields are eligible but this kid isn’t is exactly what is wrong with the NCAA. 

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Dr. IlliBuckeye's picture

Especially the case of Martell. What was the reasoning for Martell to be granted immediate eligibility? Fields' case (the racism by the baseball team member - if I recall correctly) at least is reasonable.

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kmp10's picture

Especially Martell? Urban Meyer, the coach who's offense Martell was specifically recruited to run, suddenly and unexpectedly quit after Martell spent two seasons watching, working, and learning. Ryan Day then apparently told Martell that he wasn't going to be a part of the program's plans moving forward and to solicit transfer opportunities (which could be viewed as a classy move by Day, because he could have tried to convince Martell to stay in order to keep the QB room stocked with former elite high school quarterbacks). In addition, Martell was one semester from graduating within 24 months of setting foot on campus. Martell had a better case than Fields, imo. We've all had things said to us that are offensive and/or hurtful... and that was Justin Fields' entire case, at least based on what has been made public. Bottom line with Fields is that someone said something that hurt his feelings and he couldn't beat out Jake Fromm, so he looked for something better. I'm glad he's here, but saying he had a better case than Martell is just wrong, imo. Did UGA hire a new coach who told Justin Fields to look elsewhere? Was Justin Fields a semester away from graduation? Did the coach who recruited Fields, Kirby Smart, quit without warning, and did UGA hire a new coach with an offensive philosophy the polar opposite of Smart's? The NCAA is hypocrisy epitomized, but this idea that Fields was well within his rights to seek immediate PT while Martell had no right to do the same is bullshit. 

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terryin20878's picture

I think Shea Patterson opened the door to Fields' eligibility.  If the NCAA denied Fields, after clearing Patterson, it would have reeked of favoritism.  Optics would have been too much of a hassle for the NCAA to deal with.

I think the main reasons Martel was granted immediate eligibility are, OSU got a new HC, and didn't oppose the request.  

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MidwayMagic's picture

Agree completely. Especially because Fields’s younger sister Jaiden signed to play softball for the Bulldogs after the Sasser incident took place which indicates that the family doesn’t consider the campus a bad environment. Or why would they allow her to play out of the same clubhouse as Sasser?

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rkylet83's picture

Good job NCAA.  Your inconsistency and lack of understanding on even the most basic straightforward situations is legendary.  

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Homey1970's picture

Wonder if Ugh-A contested his immediate eligibility.  

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RollRedRoll's picture

Dam man, is the NCAA afraid Illinois might actually win more than 2 games if this kid plays? 

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ScarletGray43157's picture

Man oh man.

Unbelievable.

In old Ohio there's a team that's known throughout the land...

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Can we talk about this man's Knee for a second

F the NCAA btw

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

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Dr. IlliBuckeye's picture

I'm not a medical doctor, but that does not look right to me.

Buckeye in the desert of Washington state.

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Turf burn?

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gobucks1966's picture

It could be soriacis sp. I have it on my calf but not near that bad. The skin flakes off and scares up red best not to pick at it because it makes it worse but being on a elbow or knee not good either and as mentioned the turf would be a killer too.

Denny

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TShell's picture

*tags in
It's psoriasis
-got your back

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BuckeyeGoneNuts's picture

Guys seem to get waivers for the flimsiest of reasons (or even no good reason at all, I'm looking at you Tate), but then this guy has an actual legit reason to want to transfer closer to home and the NCAA denies it.  It's hard to imagine an organization dumber than the NCAA......

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

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Kevbo714's picture

Kyle "blood on the field" Kalis... 0-5

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Kernfan's picture

Best of luck to this kid and his family.  Leaves a playoff contender for a conference cellar dweller and the NCAA chooses him as one of the few to get denied.  

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bonebuck's picture

Pandora box has officially been opened. I am against all of this but whatever. Enjoy the "free season" market place where if you pay you play. Reports are out that NCAA officials are accepting money for transfers.

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Michael's picture

Reports are out that NCAA officials are accepting money for transfers.

I haven't read this anywhere and couldn't find much with a quick Google search. Do you have links to those reports?

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Knarcisi's picture

Bottom line ... you need to lawyer up and your chances of approval skyrocket. And that’s a shame. 

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Knarcisi's picture

One one hand, this young man made his choice. He chose to go to a school where the depth chart was significantly more challenging and that was 7 and a half hours away, a good distance from friends and family. 

On the other hand, the 100 mile radius by the NCAA is for restricted purposes only, and pretty limiting. A 3 hour drive home vs a 7.5 hour drive could could mean 20+ weekend trips a year that this kid could make to see grandpa. And a chance to go home and get a better shot at playing isn’t a bad thing. 

Good thing is, kid has 3 years of eligibility.

As I mentioned above, bottom line, get a lawyer. Shame it’s come to that.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

And how the hell is a grandparent NOT part of the "core" family? Lots of kids are f*cking raised by their grandparents. Sorry for the language but that part of this really pisses me off.

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

Seriously who cares if they play? Let them all play or let none of them play.  Too much gray area being left to a governing body who’s shown they cannot be consistent. I don’t care if the coaches don’t like the free agency-like atmosphere. As long as they are allowed to leave without penalty they’ve got no reason to complain.  I’d suggest a transfer window...some time after the season and before a set date in the spring where kids can transfer with no penalty. Same with coaches.  They should also have a window for voluntary separations or they are locked in for another year.  Really not that difficult to figure this out.  

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FitzBuck's picture

Just dumb.  

If Georgia wasn’t fighting it, why do this?  

Fitzbuck | Toledo - Ohio's right armpit | "A troll by any other name is still a troll".

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Lovie Smith & the Illini can't catch a break.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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gobucks1966's picture

A tad off topic but since I first knew anything about the NCAA and what it was about around 1963 I was led to believe it was about a level playing field for all schools and to investigate cheating. The problem with this transfer thing that's going on is it's a new trick I feel for players to get out of a contract because things don't go their way. Heaven forbid for kids today that don't get their way. Either way I don't believe there is any real true ground work of what is ok to move or not and their flying by the seat of their pants. This young man being late in the game I feel is the first the NCAA is using to curb all the movement of players. Even when they do sit down and make  true ground rules on transfers the players will find new loop holes. Now I'm getting away from the topic but BYE weeks are another thing they need to even out for a equal playing field. No team should have a bye week unless the other team they play next had  one too. A week off is more prep and healing of players vs a team that doesn't have the extra time to prepare and heal. Very surprised this has never been addressed to the NCAA and really surprised OSU never has. PSU many times since their first White Out game has had a bye before our match ups and this years slate helps them too in my eyes.

Denny

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ibuck's picture

BYE weeks are another thing they need to even out for a equal playing field. No team should have a bye week unless the other team they play next had  one too. A week off is more prep and healing of players vs a team that doesn't have the extra time to prepare and heal. Very surprised this has never been addressed to the NCAA and really surprised OSU never has. PSU many times since their first White Out game has had a bye before our match ups and this years slate helps them too in my eyes.

Yep, something to consider.

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So Ill Buckeye's picture

How exactly is he supposed to transfer to a school within a 100 mile radius of his hometown, when there isn't a FBS school in that radius? SMH. U of I is the closest FBS school to Carterville, IL. Ridiculous!

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Hovenaut's picture

Again, the NCAA sucks.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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tcm1968's picture

The common denominator in the kids getting the waiver seems to be both schools going to bat for the kid. I wonder if maybe Georgia didn't do anything to help? All the other cases had both schools making the case for the kid ( including OSU with Martell). Georgia potentially would have had a PR nightmare on their hands if they didn't help with the Fields transfer... that wasn't the case with Luke Ford... 

Hindsight is 20/20.... but I would have had my grandpa and mom/dad get a condo in Champaign. 

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jpfbucks01's picture

okay so i have been consistent on this point that players should be allowed to tranfers whenever and where ever they want with the only restriction being that the kid has to be academically quailifed for the new school and if tranfering mid season, has to wait to the following season to play, so that said this guy should be allowed to go

Now given the current state of the NCAA transfer rules, this guy simply didn't quailify for the exception he wanted

1) has to be an immididate family memeber IE. Parent, spouse, son or daughter, ie not aunts, uncles, grandparents, cousins etc - he wanted to be closer to his grandfather so this does not qualify under the rule

2) the move has to put you within 100 miles of where this person is you plan to support - he would be 190 miles away so strike 2, granted the distance is a bit arbritray, but if he wanted to be within 100 miles then he could have tranferred to Southern Ill which was only 10 miles away, or SE Missouri State thats about 50 miles away

3) even failing those 2 at times they may still grant it if you can show your role in that persons care is critical or your relationship to said person is closer than simply being grandpa and/or the condition of said person has markedly changed since you initially committed.

Now of course I don't know the details of #3 in this case but under the current rules they were unable to convince the ncaa that he needed to be immidiately eligible to support his grandfather

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Crumb's picture

Screw the NCAA. 

It's stuff like this that makes me wish the Big 12 were divided up by the other four and we had four super conferences and could just get college football away from this petty, small minded, mafia-like organization. 

"The only good thing about it is winning the d*** thing" - Urban Meyer on The Game The War

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jpfbucks01's picture

Crumb, the NCAA is these 4-5 major conferences, they choose who serves and works for it, the BIg 5 dominate the rules committees, boards, investigation units etc, the NCAA is the Big 5, not some separate entity

The Div 1 Board of Directors is made up of Presidents, ADs and Chancellors from universities including Michael Drake himself.

The current head Mark Emmert was the U of Washingtons president and before that Chancellor of LSU. The former head Myles Brand had been Indiana's President and before that President of Oregon

In other words the NCAA is not some group of outsiders ruining the sport, they are the insiders themselves

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ibuck's picture

The NCAA is these 4-5 major conferences, they choose who serves and works for it, the BIg 5 dominate the rules committees, boards, investigation units etc, the NCAA is the Big 5, not some separate entity

Yes, the NCAA is composed of the member schools, regulating themselves, within a legal framework, as best they can. Overall, it is not just the Big 5 (football) conferences' reps. There are hundreds of schools and dozens of sports, for both men and women. They use the rules that are passed. Sometimes the smaller schools have more influence on those rules, sometimes the bigger schools.

We don't know all the circumstances in each case, so it's tempting to shoot from the hip. That's fine, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion, which may or may not persuade others.

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