I guess i am one of the few not worried or stressing over the defense recruiting.
Nah, we the unworried & patient just aren't vocal about it.
As another one in your camp, the unworried don’t say too much about it.
I'm not worried. If they build it they will come. Just gotta be patient.
The juice is worth the squeeze
I’ll admit that while I’m not among the worriers, I was definitely struck by the total lack of defensive commits. But when you stop to think about the task that these guys have and how excitement on the defensive side of the ball is growing, I think we’ll be fine. Remember, our D stink stank stunk last year and the top talent on D, especially at linebacker and safety, have been completely mishandled over the last couple of years. These new coaches are brand new and have to sell what they are bringing that’s new and show the world what they can do on the field in the fall. The only direction the defensive product, coaching, and scheme can go from last year is up.
I wasn't worried. Hafley said that it would take time because of all of the coaching changes and building new relationships. And it's only June.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
I’ve never been a recruit. But there is an entirely new defensive staff. Why would you not wait to see what happens during the season?
With what happened on defense last year, I'm not surprised its slow.
That’s what I’ve been saying. I can’t blame a kid for not wanting to be a part of the defense we saw last year. But I do think a better showing this year should wash away those memories.
Last years D plus almost an entirely new D staff might slow things down a bit, but I'm confident it will all be good come signing day in December.
Winner winner Chicken dinner.
In 3 months we will be about to face our second opponent. The problems have been effectively fixed will be the unspoken message. Then the interest will grow a lot. We're on the right path. Proof in just under 90 days.
Yeah, there are several hurdles to overcome. And that takes time...which is lacking in a compressed recruiting cycle world.
Last year's defensive performance
Brand new staff (except LJ) means far fewer long-term recruit relationships (for example Barnes probably didn't have relationships with the caliber of kid OSU is used to recruiting the last decade and Hafley probably had none)
Worry over the staff being around a recruits whole stay (we've heard the speculation on LJ and Mattison before and also on Hafley returning to the league as a DC or getting a HC job in a year or two).
These are not trivial things to overcome and take time. Personally, I did not see the '20 class on Def being great because those factors are coupled with an early signing date. Hope I'm wrong, but in any event, this season's Def performance is CRITICAL to show a completely gelled staff and great results. Probably more important to '21 than '20...but still critical.
Edit: When I typed "great" I meant deep and stacked with universally-accepted 4+-star talent. Not a comment on how individuals are seen coming in or how any individual or as a group turn out.
Yes to all of this, there has been to much turmoil in our staff, we need to show true consistency with an expectation that several of these men will be around for three or four years! I know people will gripe "that is not how it works, yet at Clemson that is exactly how it works and we need Hafley or his young talented caliber to make it that way. Consistency on both sides of the ball!
I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk
Cavalry is arriving! Excited to see this pan out.
Send the Earth Reverberating
We'll be fine
I just want the Silver Bullets fully loaded and ready to fire this year..
It sure looks like a big month. Clark Phillips could get the ball rolling.
Figured it would be a wait and see game with recruits not committing until later in the year. The one that has me worried is Paris Johnson. Until this kid is signed, he is always a threat to go somewhere else. Otherwise, the staff is killing it!!
the only uneasy lingering feeling i see is coming from you 11W writers...but it is characteristic of most journalists to sensationalize everything for a story
I feel like I’ve read this article over and over the last 2 months
Yea but the good news is that means we’re only a few days away from another update on how Demario McCall is really going to break out this year.
Lmao. Good one man
Maybe 11 W should update its content once a week? Just to make sure not to overdo any content. Or maybe some should only check in once a week...
Not worried about defense recruiting picking up , more worried about having some star power in the defense recruits.
Just a little patience...yeah, yeah.
"Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed, is more important than any other one thing." - Abraham Lincoln
I’m sure this has already been addressed in a previous hurry up or forum, but is Day planning to continue the FNL camp this summer?
It's been speculated that FNL will not be a camp, but more of like a cookout festivity.
Kitties aren't supposed to smell like cigarettes, they're supposed to smell like kitties.
Just hope those 2 guys from TTUN are worth it. I have not seen anything from them yet. Still waiting...
Of course they havent shown you anything yet, we haven't played a fucking game yet.
"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine
I am talking about recruiting...
totally in with Jeff Haley!! smart young mind!
Dare you say, a MENSA mind? /S
"BLOOD. THIRSTY. BUCKEYES."
Hope this makes Bob happy..
Looking forward to bumping all these panic threads in November/December when we have a great defensive class assembled.
I am never worried about OSU recruiting because most kids want to win and get a shot at the NFL. My problem and lets be honest many and I mean many of the elite that were on the top of our board are gone to other schools. Now don't get me wrong the second wave are not bad but there kids that will be here awhile for the most part. Tress type kids not many Bosa and Young types but kids that will take a extra year or two to shine here. The good news is the talent is deep enough they don't have to jump in right away other than maybe db. Like every class we will get a sleeper or two but get some kids that won't be what we thought. Time will tell how it shakes out but OSU will always have talent,
Urban leaving, coupled with wholesale staff changes on defense... What else would you expect? Do you want Day, Mattison, Washington, Hafley and co to say "Well, I know we are a new staff but all the 5 stars are gone, lets just wait until next recruiting cycle."
Again, look at only the average rating per commit. We are 3rd nationally and only trail GA and Clemson.
When the SEC oversigns and repeatedly has the most scholys to give every year, it throws off the rankings calculation. Btw: ESPN, CBS and the SEC love that!!!!
I use to think that way like you but at the end of the day everyone has 85 and I think we are over the limit and if not we have been before. The B10 allows you over by 3 to allow for players going pro injury and transfers. There is a date not sure when but everyone has to be at that limit and they have ways to hide players and work the numbers. SEC and everyone else play that game.
So if as you say (that the # of scholys are indeed cyclical).
Why does the # of scholys each year matter in the barometer of the schools recruiting rankings that year?
Why does Jeff Hafley look like a Bobble-head??
The article makes a good point that our national reach has not dropped off with Ryan Day. It would have been reasonable to guess that it would. Personally I was in a wait-and-see mode, but I'm happy so far.
The remaining needs on defense correlate very closely with the changes in coaches in the back seven. That's to be expected, but Ryan Day didn't waste time and overhauled the staff right away. It's also impressive that he had enough gravitas to pull two veteran coaches away from TTUN.
I'm getting real tired of all these Offensive recruit signings. /S
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”
Yes, I find it offensive.
Well, what are they waiting for? Let's get some boys committed! Talking about it while Bama and Dabo load up isn't going to get it done.
The title of the article should have been "Dear Bob"