Brian Snead Dismissed from Ohio State in November Following Rape Investigation, Per Report

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Mantis's picture

Idiot and scumbag if true. What a waste of talent. 

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Weave77's picture

if true

Which is very hard to say, given the complete lack of facts. At any rate, it seems to be an unfortunate and disappointing situation.

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BrutusB's picture

It's crazy that six different people (and counting) saw this comment and were like "how DARE you be mean to the alleged rapist"

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chemicalwaste's picture

I'm guessing there going on the assumption of innocence. Something must have happened, but we don't know, therefore launching insults using the most useful thing.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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Weave77's picture

It's crazy that six different people aren't willing to pass absolute judgement on a person without any facts confirming that he did actually do the crime of which he is accused?

I am not saying that Mr. Snead is innocent- I'm simply saying that we have no way to know if he is actually guilty, so in lieu of further information, we may want to refrain from labeling him as a "scumbag". 

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BrutusB's picture

Yes, hence the "if true" in the post. 

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Mantis's picture

Thank you for actually noticing that haha.  I guess next time I will have to bold and underline it. 

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Weave77's picture

I guess next time I will have to bold and underline it. 

No need- if you look back at my comment to you, you’ll notice that’s the exact part of your statement that I quoted and commented on.

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TheBadOwl's picture

we have no way to know if he is actually guilty

In a strictly legal sense, he has not been proven guilty because the victim did not want to talk to law enforcement. 

But I think that the actual facts that we do know speak pretty loudly in this case:

  • OSU spent two months investigating the allegation 
  • OSU then kicked Snead out of school over their findings 
  • OSU can't share any of the information due to privacy laws 
  • OSU's student code of conduct is separate from the criminal justice system 

This isn't about Snead getting kicked out of school after a mere allegation; Snead got kicked out of school after a two-month investigation. Looks like OSU found enough to justify kicking him out of school. The criminal justice system is a different beast entirely and many victims don't want to come forward or deal with all the shit that comes with actually pressing charges in these cases. 

Snead hasn't been proven guilty in a court, but let's not act like he hasn't had any due process whatsoever. Let's also not act like courts are infallible or that someone only committed a crime if they're convicted in one. If someone has never been given a speeding ticket, does that mean they've never driven above the speed limit? 

The standard for criminal guilt makes sense in the court system, but it is not a standard by which the court of public opinion needs to abide. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Weave77's picture

This isn't about Snead getting kicked out of school after a mere allegation; Snead got kicked out of school after a two-month investigation. Looks like OSU found enough to justify kicking him out of school.

You are acting like two-months is a long time, but it seems to be the federal standard time frame for a Title IX sexual assault investigation, and many last much longer.

Snead hasn't been proven guilty in a court, but let's not act like he hasn't had any due process whatsoever.

Yes, but the "due process" he received has been roundly criticized from multiple fronts for being thoroughly biased and inadequate. 

This site is not the proper forum to discuss the pros and cons of Title IX mandating that universities become the arbiters of sexual assault cases, but needless to say, it is not a universally agreed upon matter, as even the most prestigious universities and athletic departments can attest.

If someone has never been given a speeding ticket, does that mean they've never driven above the speed limit? 

Absolutely not- but it certainly can't be used as an argument that they have.

The standard for criminal guilt makes sense in the court system, but it is not a standard by which the court of public opinion needs to abide. 

Agreed. Just because you were not convicted of a crime does not mean you didn't commit it- and that very well may be the case with Mr. Snead.

But your aforementioned "standard of the court of public opinion" should not be that of the university Title IX process either.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

@ TheBadOwl

 I dont disagree with what you said but lets not forget the position the University was in around that same time. The whole Zack Smith thing just happened so tOSU didn't want ANY inkling of another incident where the tOSU could have its image tarnished further. Dont misunderstand that to mean that Snead didn't do anything, but context matters and tOSU was not going to take any chances with this situation.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

But I think that the actual facts that we do know speak pretty loudly in this case:

OSU spent two months investigating the allegation 
 

You DON'T know that.  You know that the Title IX Department waited two months before acting.  You don't know if they investigated or just twiddled their thumbs.

OSU's student code of conduct is separate from the criminal justice system 

But should it be?  Why in the wide wide world of sports is the University investigating criminal behavior?  Because sexual imposition is a crime.  A serious crime.  But only if proven in court.  We, as a society, are protected by that process.  So why is a non-judicial entity sticking its nose into the arena of criminal conduct?  Why not call the tOSU cops and let THEM investigate it.  And then bring a Bill of particulars to the Grand Jury.

I feel horrible for the alleged victim, if there is one.  No person should ever be violated of their personal space. As the father of 2 daughters, I'm not sure I could stay out of jail if something ever happened to either of them.  But, if ANOTHER girl is harmed because the first victim wouldn't press charges, that puts even more tragedy on the first victim.  If one of my duaghters was the second victim, I would be pretty upset with the first one.

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MuraliPatel's picture

You're absolutely right that legally, he's not guilty, and this was based on the school's internal investigation; he has had his due process it seems. However, I would be curious to know if there was a Title IX hearing, because frankly, those are kangaroo courts. 

"Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war."

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Sav45age's picture

It sucks to be falsely accused of rape. It sucks worse to be raped. Sad story all around.

Can we talk about alternate uniforms or something fun again? 

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

It's crazy that six different people aren't willing to pass absolute judgement on a person without any facts confirming that he did actually do the crime of which he is accused?

The facts of the case may not be known to those of us commenting on this, but OSU did spend 2 months investigating and seem to think he did it.  Granted, their burden of proof may very well be less than the burden of proof necessary to convict him of a crime in a trial (and we'll never know if he would be convicted by a jury of his peers unless the victim decides to change her mind and press charges later), but OSU obviously found something that led them to believe he did it.  I highly doubt OSU would just railroad someone when there's zero evidence.

Class of 2010.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

I highly doubt OSU would just railroad someone when there's zero evidence.

 Not saying they did, but look at the overall context and what was happening within the football program with Zack Smith at the time. As much as some of us fans would like to think so, tOSU isn't infallible. Just look at how the AD at the time treated Maurice Clarett.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I highly doubt OSU would just railroad someone when there's zero evidence.

You didn't just type that with a straight face did you?

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KidfromAK's picture

but OSU did spend 2 months investigating and seem to think he did it. 

Replace OSU with Title IX department it’s not like Title IX departments are infallible if messing up the entire investigation, or having a bias to the alleged victim so there’s no way we will ever know if this is true or not. 

Running back not Blocking back

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Extramedium's picture

We have a pretty decent way of knowing, seeing as how the #3 running back from the recruiting class is no longer on the team.  

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PRO8's picture

Tip of the hat to all those standing up for the woman/women, with what we know . I was pleasantly surprised that to see that.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Being raped sucks.  But, I'm sorry, from where I sit, if you aren't willing to press charges, then you can't demand satisfaction justice.  I've seen too many lives ruined by vindictive allegations that later prove to be untrue.  We, as a society, are protected from a police state by the presumption of innocence.

Rape sucks.  Personally, I think it should be a capital offense.  But Lynchings suck too.  And the victim of a reputation lynching deserves his/her day in court before his/her life is ruined.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I want to follow that post up (so that it can stand on its own.) with a separate post..

KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS AND YOU CAN'T GET INTO TROUBLE.

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Extramedium's picture

Going to the doctor and making sure you're ok is not demanding justice.  She chose not to press charges, which is up to her, but according to the evidence collected, OSU officials believe something happened contrary to their code of conduct.  

The presumption of innocence is a legal thing, and the law wasn't involved here.  He remained on the team during the investigation and we just have to assume the investigation was conducted properly and they're not just going off the word of one individual.

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stxbuck's picture

The actual victim in this case hasn’t said a single word about receiving justice/healing/revenge/whatever. Did you consider the fact that tOSU just doesn’t want an accused-even  if justifiably unindicted-rapist walking around campus for reasons of safety, liability, and general human decency?

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

My point is that everyone on this thread is jumping to some pretty big conclusions with no facts.  That's my only point.  That, and IMHO, innocent until proven guilty is a CONSTITUTIONAL right and therefore sacrosanct in our country.  And without due process, particularly by a non-legal entity with a history of letting outside pressures affect decisions (not just here but nationally)  it seems wrong to me.

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CALPOPPY's picture

My point is that everyone on this thread is jumping to some pretty big conclusions with no facts. 

It’s pretty simple to me. Snead violated the code of conduct and was kicked out of the universtiy. I’m not jumping to conclusions there. The University said as much.

This doesn’t have anything to do with his constitutional right. This was not a legal matter where his innocence or guilt is decided by a jury of his peers, which would be constitutionally protected. And the University did it all of the sudden decide to tarnish his reputation by releasing information. The Lantern acquired the investigative materials after suing the police. But that is where there were no charges filed...in the criminal realm.

But that is different from the University, which actually kept it quiet until pressed with additional information. But it’s obvious that the University thought that there was enough evidence to expel Snead, which is a different standard than the constitutional right of which you speak.

Memento mori

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stxbuck's picture

The Ohio State University is absolutely it’s own legal entity, with it’s own standing, own police force, etc. It has the legal right to make rulings enforceable on campus as long as said ruling doesn’t violate a higher legal precedent. If you think Snead is likely innocent, don’t hide behind verbiage, just man up and say so.

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Cooper's picture

Yikes, man.

Thoughts with the victim in this situation. 

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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RoyWalley's picture

Good job OSU, you did the right thing.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

1000%. Can't UV this enough.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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brutus0717's picture

Absolutely he should have been dismissed from the university. The only question I have is why didn't they come out and say it once he was dismissed?

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BrutusB's picture

Probably university policy not to comment, especially when there are no charges being filed.

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Dstacify's picture

That's an easy answer. They were coming fresh off the Zach Smith mess at the time and Meyer was also still HC I believe when Snead was initially suspended from the team. They would've been ridiculed to the high heavens for it and accused of having a double standard when it comes to coaches as opposed to players.

11 Strong.

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BuckTD's picture

They would've been ridiculed to the high heavens for it and accused of having a double standard when it comes to coaches as opposed to players.

Mike Bianchi is probably writing this article right now 

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OSU56's picture

Good job OSU, you did the right thing.

Definitely x2!

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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stxbuck's picture

Agreed. Given the secrecy of the whole situation-and the lack of any pushback/claims of actual innocence/legal action by Snead's side of things-I think he and his family realized it was best to leave campus w/out charges being filed and start anew-he very quite possibly dodged a major bullet.

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BIGTIMEBUCKS's picture

...I typically wish kids the best of luck when they move on. Not sure it's warranted here. It is still an "alleged" offense but definitely seems like there was enough to the claim to expell him.

"The Edge is where average stops and elite begins"

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zeketolliver's picture

Well, there is always the hope that he changes his behavior as a result of this consequence.

Sadly...the victim is much less likely to turn her experience into a positive. :-/

Whoso would be a man, must be a non-conformist.

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bwh's picture

They don't need enough evidence to expel. They merely need a reason.

Putting yourself in a bad situation may be enough to warrant the school protecting itself from further issues.

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Dstacify's picture

Yep. Which at the time the school was already on shaky ground and was perceived as not taking things like sexual assault and DV seriously thanks to the way guys like Zach Smith and Richard Strauss were handled. Not disciplining Snead would've turned up the heat on the University tenfold especially once the rape allegations became public knowledge.

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stxbuck's picture

Molly Peirano was the point-woman on the whole "How soon did Urban become aware of Smith's arrest"-brouhaha-she actually informed Urban. It would seem she keeps an even keel on these things, given that she was Urban's first line of defense on charges that he "knew' anything regarding Smith's alleged malfeasance.

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OhioStGoon's picture

No criminal charges or alleged victim cooperation as it pertains to the allegations leads to more questions than answers.

GO BUCKS

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LouBuck35's picture

I disagree. Don't put yourself in a position to go in front of the disciplinary folks in the first place. tOSU can't have this kind of stuff going on, from athletes or any other student.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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Cooper's picture

Right, Carlos Hyde was suspended 3 games by Urban for “putting himself in a bad situation.” If you’re putting yourself in a situation where a girl who hardly knows you (I’m assuming since he had only been there a couple months) felt uncomfortable enough to not clear his name once this report came out, that’s not exactly good. This wasn’t a knee-jerk reaction by the university either, it took a couple months for the final decision. 

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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Sanitarian2's picture

If going out in public is putting yourself in a bad situation, sure.

Sani

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Zonabuck's picture

Carlos was removed from the team immediately when the video came out. There was no “suspended indefinitely, pending investigation”, either. He was just gone. Only after the full situation was assessed was he reinstated, and the three games were primarily just saving face. You can’t go from a knee jerk “he’s gone” to “never mind. He has to do a few extra gassers”. 

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MrElectric's picture

I'm curious what you mean by not putting yourself in a position to go in front of the disciplinary folks. 

All we really "know" about this case is he went into a girls room alone with the girl. There's nothing wrong with that, and it happens tens of thousands of times every day on college campuses across the nation. I feel it puts an unfair burden on these young men to say "don't put yourself in that position" when all it takes is a false word from someone to get you expelled. He shouldn't have to avoid basic things like amorous relations with women just because they can ruin his life like this.

Of course if he did actually do it I'm glad he's gone and he should be rotting in jail in addition to his dismissal.

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LouBuck35's picture

We know that the report didn't come from 1 of the people "in the room" - provided that your assumption is correct that they were the only 2 people in the room.  It's come up in this thread and others - everyone should know what can get you in trouble or not.  If someone says, no then stop and leave.  Everyone should also know that if someone is *too intoxicated, they cannot consent.  If someone is passed out, they cannot consent. 

In the midst of the craziest of my college nights, I've found myself in those situations and walked away - not because I thought I would get in trouble - because it was the right thing to do.  Everyone has a brain in their heads and (should) have some sort of moral compass and know what is right and wrong.  So again, he knows what happened and so did the accuser and so did at least 1 other person who reported the incident.  He made a choice and that choice got him booted from school.  But if you make a questionable decision, you put yourself at risk, football player or not.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

Well, unfortunately this is the world we live in. In the age of social media fact and evidence are not required. Only allegations. e.g. Gareon Conley.

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Beantown_Buckeye's picture

This had nothing to do with social media or lacking facts or evidence. Very few people even knew this happened or that this is why Snead left the school until now. The school ran an investigation and they obviously did not like what they saw in the results. It was done quietly, without public scrutiny. Really doesn't fit into the narrative you would like to apply to the situation.

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stxbuck's picture

How much publicity do you think this situation should have received? Do you think tOSU should have publicly released the accuser's name? Should they have publicly announced that the player was being investigated for sexual assault, prior to charges being filed-or after the decision not to file criminal charges had been made?

Snead deserved a presumption of innocence/legal representation before tOSU campus authorities during the course of this investigation-federal courts have recently ruled as such. The PUBLIC does not deserve a full on TMZ "Enquiring Minds Want to Know" blow by blow of everything that happened-from both the perspective of the accused AND the victim.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I likely would've agreed with you until my wife of 20 years was violently sexually assaulted two years ago during a business trip. It completely broke her confidence and sense of self-worth and nearly made her suicidal. Restricted vs. unrestricted reporting is a complicated thing when dealing with civilian law enforcement and, in our case, military chain of command, not to mention getting past the all-consuming desire to literally hunt down and kill the motherfucker without losing myself in the process. I was more than willing to trade a manslaughter charge to get revenge, and am grateful that professionals (and my wife) talked me off the ledge. It sounds like the victim made a restricted report for the sake of privacy, just like my wife did. It was a very hard decision that still haunts her.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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BuckeyeVet's picture

Prayers for your wife - may she find peace & healing. And you're a good man, Buckfrombirth. 

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Thanks, BuckeyeVet. It means a lot.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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TheBadOwl's picture

My spouse is also a survivor (happened long before she met me) and still has nightmares pretty much every night stemming from it. Until meeting her, I had no idea that survivors of that type of violence often experience the same type of PTSD that combat veterans do. 

As you said, deeply caring about someone who has to live through that shit and hearing their story completely changes your perspective when hearing similar stories from people who you don't know. It's so frustrating to me to see the same chorus of bullshit bad-faith questions asking why the victims didn't come forward sooner, etc whenever these stories come up around here.. The answers to those questions are well-documented, yet the same people ask them each time as if doing a single damn Google search is impossible. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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CincyBuck's picture

It's so frustrating to me to see the same chorus of bullshit bad-faith questions asking why the victims didn't come forward sooner, etc whenever these stories come up around here..

Well put.  IMO, it's pretty bananas that people can't grasp why a victim might not want the sordid details of a literal rape disclosed to the general public.  It's really hard to put yourself in that position if you've never been in it.  But judging from my knowledge of the court system, the current state of public discourse, etc., I can't say I wouldn't do exactly what the victim did, here, as well.

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Wargor's picture

As a society we're not doing so well with the whole letting facts change our minds.  Especially when there are competing 'facts' out there from competing outlets and a variety of safe spaces where we can all have our pre-conceived notions confirmed.  We also don't do too well with the concept, "I don't know."  We seek ready answers to all kinds of questions where we don't have enough facts to make the iron-clad judgments we love so much.

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FunZone's picture

Logged in to upvote and call attention to your very, very important comment

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Thanks, FunZone. Hope I didn't harsh too many mellows with my brief therapy session. Go Bucks!

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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bbb's picture

There are many very good reasons why people don't report these things. I thought we generally understood this by now -- apparently not

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Dstacify's picture

Considering the perceptive mess OSU was already in thanks to Zach Smith at the time Snead was dismissed from the team they kind of had no choice here. It sounds very possible that Snead might've been made an example of so that the University could prove that they take things like DV and rape/sexual assault seriously (which was highly in question thanks to the way ZS was handled and also the lack of institutional control on Dr. Strauss all those years ago).

11 Strong.

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BrutusB's picture

You don't make an example out of someone when you refuse to ever publicly share why he's being punished. 

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TheBadOwl's picture

You can't refuse to do something that you literally cannot do in the first place. That's like me saying that I absolutely refuse to date Beyonce. Dating Beyonce was never on the table to begin with. 

Ohio State cannot release confidential student information due to multiple student privacy laws. Acting like they have some more pressing obligation to explain to internet commenters why the Football Man can't play football anymore is so woefully misguided. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Huskerbuck's picture

Doesn't matter if it is my team, your team or anybody's team such offenses cannot be tolerated period . . . even if a "star" player.  Thank you Buckeye leadership for taking a stand and making the right call.

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brutus0717's picture

Yikes! Get your head on straight dude. No means no.

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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BurningRiverBuckeye's picture

but is looking to continue his college football career at another Division I school in 2020. 

 Looks like he was at UCF yesterday. 

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LealmanBuckeye's picture

Damn. I had such high hopes for this kid, too. Good riddance to bad rubbish, I guess. I hope the survivor is okay, and I hope he's gotten a wake-up call.

I aim to misbehave.

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Hovenaut's picture

Without trying to sound too blunt, or disrespectful to anyone affected by the situation (beyond Mr. Snead's dismissal and movement), but page turned.

That said, to moving forward.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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buckeyepastor's picture

University did the right thing.  They found evidence of assault/rape. Players know that there is a higher standard for them, whether they feel it “fair” or not, it just is.  Also, it is past-due that we do more to protect victims of sexual assault who for too long were made to feel violated all over again in seeking justice. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

What an absolutely terrible f'ing situation. 

Props to whomever on the athletic side was smart and responsible enough to report what happened. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

Let's see, you claim rape but don't want the police involved, why? Well I'll leave it up to your imagination, but this feels like it has a Duke Lacrosse vibe to it, or mattress girl.

Hey maybe I am wrong and he is guilty, or maybe they had a consensual fling, she wanted more and he didnt, so she claims rape. Dude is innocent until proven guilty, where is the evidence? Oh wait she didn't wanna go to the police so there is zero evidence.

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LouBuck35's picture

Good Lord, get right the fuck outta here with this post.

I want a fall Saturday in Ohio Stadium..

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

The victim did not report this, someone else did.  So before you go making assumptions about the victim, at least read the full details.  

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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huffdaddy's picture

You have no idea what proof was offered in the university context. Saying there is zero evidence is just you talking out your ass. Stop embarrassing yourself. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

I would think that as much as this kind of topic comes up, that people would realize that rape victims don't always immediately go to the police and report what happened.  There are many possible reasons why victims don't report it right away.  To imply that it even might be because it's made up is pretty disgusting.

I have never been a victim of rape.  I cannot begin to understand what could be going through the heads of victims, and why they would ultimately choose to keep quiet.  In a way, I wish they would report it right away, and realize that there's no shame in doing so...but again, I've never been in that position before so I don't know what would possibly be going through their heads.

Class of 2010.

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bucknut1994's picture

Delete your account 

#94Ways

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logamaniac's picture

Meh, he’d just make another one again. 

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bd2999's picture

These are pretty monstrous things to do if you know anything about rape reporting, prosecution or anything.

You seem to be more supportive of the rapists and questioning the alleged victim. That is horrible.

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TheBadOwl's picture

Whenever these stories come up, so many people rush to ask why the victim didn't come forward sooner, or why they didn't go to the cops, etc.

From what I've seen, the people who repeatedly ask those questions aren't the slightest bit interested in hearing the answers. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

You seem to be more supportive of the rapists and questioning the alleged victim. That is horrible.

 I'm sure you meant to say alleged rapist. Right??

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BuckeyeIn NY's picture

a report was filed on Sept. 13 by Ohio State assistant compliance director and deputy Title IX coordinator Molly Peirano, per The Lantern. An "unknown person from Ohio State athletics" – not the victim – contacted Peirano to report the rape, according to the report.

I am glad someone took it upon themselves to report this, since the victim did not.   

Ring the f**king bell, you pansy

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BrutusB's picture

Was thinking the same.  Good job by the anonymous tipster who very well have might protected a future victim.

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GlassCityBuckeyes's picture

That is my problem with this thing, another victim. The guy is still on the streets and shouldn't be.

Noon games suck

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bd2999's picture

He is, it is a burden of proof issue I imagine. One would have to think the University passed on the information it had to law enforcement, but who knows? Seems like it is the right thing to do in situations like this.

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stxbuck's picture

Exactly-what the prosecutor's office has to go on/make a case with, and what tOSU considers to be a very serious violation of student conduct are different things. Just by getting reported-and the presumed results of the subsequent university investigation-Snead violated enough conduct rules to ensure a well deserved boot in the ass. It doesn't mean the prosecutor's office had enough to go to a grand jury with. Happens all the time

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Wargor's picture

And that's something people who are analyzing this from a Snead friendly perspective are missing.  This isn't just he said, she said; this is two people say, he says.  And sure, two people can cooperate to try and destroy someone, but it would seem to be more rare, especially without a motive that would likely fall into the category of "don't put yourself in bad situations".  Not that I would condone a false allegation against someone for being an extreme dickhead (possible motive for two friends to criminally(?) conspire), but occam's razor isn't leading me toward purely innocent guy 100% falsely accused by two people conspiring to bring him down.

I do wish there was more done toward future protection.  If this guy is a rapist, swatting him on the nose and shoving him to Iowa or wherever isn't the most ideal outcome.  Perhaps the swat on the nose will be good enough, perhaps not...

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Indeed. As has been documented exhaustively, there are many reasons that possible victims of sexual assault do not report incidents and, according to some studies, up to 80% of all sexual assaults go unreported. When someone else can assist in reporting an alleged assault, it dramatically increases the chances of catching the perpetrator. 

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chibucks's picture

hopefully all parties (snead and alleged victim) learn from this situation and are able to heal.  i know they're 18+ year old men, but try and stop putting yourself in these situations where things can happen or allegedly happen...  and yes, this is in reference to zeke and others as well.

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TheBadOwl's picture

 i know they're 18+ year old men, but try and stop putting yourself in these situations where things can happen or allegedly happen

That's one possible lesson from this, but it's not the lesson to take away from these stories. 

Rather than teaching young people to avoid false allegations, we should be teaching them far more about consent, why it's important and the long-term damage that victims suffer when someone initiates an act without it. These aren't hard lessons to teach, either; it all boils down to respect. 

There are some things very prevalent in pop culture (and in, uh, NSFW places online) that try to act like there are blurred lines (i.e. the hit song literally called that) and acting like a "no" just means "try harder" or "make me say yes" – or the idea that being romantic for men means taking what they want. In reality, a no is a no, and asking first for consent before engaging in an act doesn't kill the mood – in fact, it shows the other person that you respect their boundaries. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

Oh shit.  We were wondering what happened to this guy.  Now, we know, and it's much worse than we could have imagined.  Definitely glad that he never suited up for OSU after that.

Good on whoever it was to report the rape...not knocking the victim for not doing so, as that is their choice how to handle what happened to them, but people who do such terrible things deserve to be exposed.

Class of 2010.

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Smitty516's picture

Yes, significantly worse than the shooting someone with paintball rumors we heard about. Very troubling, prayers to the victim.

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GeorgiaBuckeye2114's picture

What a POS. Prayers for the victim. People make mistakes, but this kid should never again be allowed to play football at the collegiate level. There's no reason that he should be able to continue on and receive a free education without any kind of punishment. This probably won't be the last time we hear of him getting in trouble. No consequences for his actions means he won't learn a lesson from this ordeal.

"We talkin' about practice?!" -Allen Iverson 2002

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BrutusB's picture

I kinda feel bad for 'Iowa Western Community College' as they almost certainly had no idea this happened, but now have a PR nightmare.

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TheBadOwl's picture

With the confidentiality factors at play here – and there are plenty – I wonder if OSU could even tell Iowa Western about the circumstances of Snead's departure at all? 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Blackcoffee's picture

People can change. OSU football prides its recruiting on not "just taking anyone". Obviuosly you cannot be perfect on this. But they saw enough in the kid to offer him a scholarship. They got it wrong. He got it wrong. People can change. They do it every day.

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stxbuck's picture

If he was a known sex offender/trouble maker in HS, tOSU/Urban would be on the hook for offering him a scholarship. That said, young men out on their own on campus sometimes make unfortunate decisions regarding women and substance abuse that weren't issues living at home.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

If only other universities had the intestinal fortitude to do what Ohio State did in this situation (looking at you Michigan State and Florida State). 

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bwh's picture

No facts and lots of jumping to conclusions here.

The fact the victim didn't want to be involved makes it very hard to find evidence of anything. In he said/she said it's very tough legally, and in he said/someome else said makes it impossible.

Ohio State may or may not have found any actual evidence, but they are extremely smart to protect themselves from, at minimum, bad PR. At worst, it's letting a predator be enrolled. Impossible to know without a shred of public evidence. Right now it looks like the school is just protecting itself.

Snead should never have been in a situation that even resembled this. Being beyond reproach is the only way to avoid this in this day and age. High profile accusations can ruin a career, if not ruin your future. It's never worth the risk.

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bbb's picture

It's not "he said / she said". First, someone else reported it. You don't even know what evidence there is. The victim didn't report for the sake of privacy. GTFO of here

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CincyBuck's picture

Dude...  just because the University isn't releasing highly sensitive and personal information about an alleged rape doesn't mean it didn't investigate it.  The complaint was filed in September; he was let go in November.  I'm sure there was an investigation, hearing, etc. during those two months.

Do you honestly think that any of the parties involved here -- the victim, Snead, the University, etc. -- want to publicly release the sordid details of the alleged incident?  Hell no.  The mere fact that the factual findings aren't being released in no way means that they don't exist, nor does it mean there wasn't due process.  

Relatedly, also partially explains why someone wouldn't want to go to the police.  It then becomes a public matter.  The victim will repeatedly be involved in the process for months -- if not years.  And, in a county like Franklin County, nobody is indicting something like this if no charges are being pressed. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Agreed. The headline literally reads, "...following rape investigation."

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NOBLUE's picture

Now we'll see if iowa western cc has any balls to do the right thing

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logamaniac's picture

What’s the right thing if there’s no evidence or victim account?  A third party reported something, whether it happened as they believe it to have or not is the issue.  

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Knarcisi's picture

According to the timeline, the university took 3 months to investigate. So they likely talked to witnesses, and that likely included the victim. Just because she didn’t press criminal charges doesn’t mean she didn’t talk to the title IX department. It appears due process was done by OSU. They tried to keep this a private matter for Snead but a media outlet (the Lantern in this case) pushed and legally got it. 

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TheBadOwl's picture
  1. OSU's student code of conduct is different than state or federal law 
  2. A criminal conviction is not required to determine whether a student violated that conduct code 
  3. Ohio State did its own two-month investigation of the allegations, which likely included plenty of evidence
  4. At the conclusion of that investigation, OSU decided to kick him out of school
  5. The victim is entitled to privacy 
  6. OSU has to respect that privacy and cannot release any of the investigation's findings as a result 

Sure, there's a lot of speculation and conjecture, but the facts that we do know strongly suggest (IMO) that OSU's investigation found that he more than likely did what he was accused of doing, but the victim didn't cooperate with police which is why Snead didn't get criminally tried for it. 

If you're wondering why a victim in this case wouldn't cooperate with police, well, it's very common in these situations. Here are a few reasons why a victim might not report:

  • Fear of retaliation or being 'silenced' by their assailant 
  • In cases like this one, specifically: fear of being doxxed, harassed and potentially harmed by unhinged fans (every CFB fan base has their share of lunatics and OSU is no different, unfortunately) 
  • Not wanting to re-live their trauma by confronting their accuser through the legal system 

Most of these cases go unreported, even fewer make it to trial and a small percentage of the ones that even make it to trial rarely end in convictions. The criminal standard of guilt (beyond a reasonable doubt) means that most defense lawyers in cases like this resort to downright character assassination against the victim to sew enough doubt in their credibility rather than disputing the facts directly. There's a very slight chance of any given victim getting justice in these cases, and the pursuit of that justice more times than not just leads to more trauma for the victim. 

When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

. . . most defense lawyers in cases like this resort to downright character assassination against the victim to sew (sic) enough doubt in their credibility rather than disputing the facts directly.

Within the constraints of the applicable rape shield statute, which in this case would be R.C. Sec. 2907.02(D):

(D) Evidence of specific instances of the victim's sexual activity, opinion evidence of the victim's sexual activity, and reputation evidence of the victim's sexual activity shall not be admitted under this section unless it involves evidence of the origin of semen, pregnancy, or disease, or the victim's past sexual activity with the offender, and only to the extent that the court finds that the evidence is material to a fact at issue in the case and that its inflammatory or prejudicial nature does not outweigh its probative value.

Of course, in Ohio, even clear and unambiguous statutory language is often subjected to interpretation under the rules of statutory construction, so what a court permits is not necessarily always admissible, and what it disallows is not always inadmissible. The Ohio Supreme Court heard oral argument in March of this year on such a case.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

I work in the justice system.  Sex assault victims are put through the ringer, and juries look for excuses to acquit

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

I apologize if I intimated that pursuing a rape prosecution is a walk in the park. Well, maybe it is, if the park is secluded and dark and scary. The point I was trying to make is that rape shield laws exist to protect complaining witnesses (prevent trying the victim). How those laws are interpreted and applied by the trial judge more often than not will determine how effective they are. In my thirty years as a practicing lawyer in Columbus, Ohio, I have seen some judges give mere lip service to them and I have seen some apply them with force and vigor. The Jeffries case argued before the Ohio Supreme Court in March of this year could further the effectiveness of that law if the Court will allow the plain and unambiguous language of the statute at issue to speak for itself, unadorned with imported meaning.

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bdbrown66's picture

I hear Harbaugh is looking for an RB.

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Buckeyeincleveburg's picture

One does recall how UM handled the Brandon Peters situation, although that was under Hoke I believe.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Sounds like this is one to simply accept as a closed case. The university conducted an investigation, during which Snead was allowed to practice. They clearly saw enough evidence, or some serious issues in Snead's account, to warrant the dismissal. They did not act rashly, or subject Snead to any unjust punishment, per the alleged victim's declination to pursue charges. Anybody looking for more closure will just have to be disappointed in this case. I'm trusting the university that they wouldn't kick a star football player off the team for no reason. 

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andretolstoy's picture

When I read information like this I really can't formulate too much of a judgement. I'd hate for this to be taken lightly and the victim be disrespected or subjected to lack of compassion. On the other hand, I'd also hate to be too rigid towards Snead if there was actually no rape yet the university dismissed him just based on allegation in order to be viewed as "tough on rape" ... 

Either way, God bless all who are involved. We're all going to be held accountable on the Day of Days... 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

Thats why these cases are so difficult most of the time. In this particular instance, it sounds like the school was pretty thorough in their attempts to get to the bottom of it. But sexual assault overall is probably the most difficult crime to handle correctly. On one hand rape is the most heinous thing you can do to someone short of killing them and the punishment for such an act needs to be appropriately severe. On the other hand there are rarely any third party witnesses and usually very little evidence which makes due process incredibly difficult. Add in the fact that there have been some fairly high profile incidents of false accusations in recent years and people are more reluctant to believe allegations now more than ever. Its really unfortunate and I don't think there is an easy answer.

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andretolstoy's picture

Yes. I agree. I've read through the comments and I'm definitely leaning towards the notion that Snead needs to be held accountable here. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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MichiBuck12's picture

If the schools investigation was as thorough as people are saying, I completely agree. However I don't really trust universities to handle these investigations. Many have tried and proven my skepticism warranted. Another problem I see is that everyone wants punishment for the accused even when the accuser doesn't want to speak out or press charges. I totally understand why a victim wouldn't want to tell and retell her account of events the dozens of times that a prosecution would require. I totally get it, and women have every right to make that choice. But people also need to understand that without it, there isn't a whole lot anybody can do. It seems the public at large wants to convict accused rapists without even the accusers testimony in court and you just can't do that. Two things can be true at the same time. 

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andretolstoy's picture

This sort of goes with my initial thinking. I'll be honest, I don't really trust independent investigations. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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Wargor's picture

Which kind do you trust?

And I'm not sure I'd characterize this as an independent investigation.  This is OSU investigating activities at OSU by OSU student(s).  If the police were investigating it, that would be independent.  If the police were investigating police mis-conduct that wouldn't be independent.  Much of our system is based on independent investigations.  Generally it works pretty well, with different government agencies / branches having oversight over others.  

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stxbuck's picture

That is up to the Franklin County prosecutor's office, not tOSU. tOSU did everything it could,imo.

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milhouse4588's picture

The fact that people are still defending him, mostly on the grounds of "we don't know if he's guilty", is nuts to me. I understand that you are innocent until proven guilty and that is his right. But in this case he did wrong. He may or may not have raped her, but he put himself in a position to where he obviously can't defend his innocence enough to stay at school and that speaks volumes.

Even putting yourself in a position that implies or even hints at you being a rapist is stupid and warrants punishment and defending against that looks awful.

To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.

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CowCat's picture

he put himself in a position to where he obviously can't defend his innocence enough to stay at school and that speaks volumes.

That is my take as well. I can't judge him, but there are a few things about this situation that stand out:
1) The alleged victim was not the accuser and declined to press charges. Other people reported it.
2) OSU conducted a long investigation
3) Snead seems to not be fighting TOSU in court to be reinstated at TOSU.

Added together, it doesn't look good, but we don't really know what happened. In any case, Snead is in a bad situation. 

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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Knarcisi's picture

Regarding due process and all the innocent until proven guilty comments ... the victim chose not to press charges. As is her choice and is totally understandable. 

It appears that the investigation by the university and their report took 3 months. So it appears that due process was done on the university’s part and this was investigated thoroughly.  

Bad move for Snead. This news certainly may affect his status elsewhere in the near future. And rightfully so. And this is the correct move by the university. 

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bd2999's picture

Terrible, sounded like the University did the right thing. I do wonder why he was allowed to practice though. Maybe it was during the investigation. Seems like he should have been expelled sooner.

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Knarcisi's picture

I’d say the investigation took the 2-3 months he was suspended. In fairness to the alleged (Snead), it appears they did right by him (and the victim) and did a thorough investigation. 

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

it appears they did right by him (and the victim) and did a thorough investigation

I think it's hard for some to accept that all of these things can happen at once.  

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stxbuck's picture

You and Knarcisi are both spot on.

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

The OSU procedure for investigating and adjudicating allegations of student misconduct, as outlined in its Code of Student Conduct, is contained within its bylaws and rules and is available online, as is its Sexual Misconduct Policy.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

If accused and evidence proved guilty, you could burn in hell. If accused and no charges filed and or no evidence.... You could seek the top job and quite possibly get it. Hmmm

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thedewman10's picture

I was going to say just another who seemed to have the world by the nuts and messed it up. But it happens so often any more that it seems like a waste of time saying it. 

TheDewMan10

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Kasino Royale's picture

What amazes me is the number of responses we get for the bad news. If we get a new commit who donates his time at an orphanage, 7 posters might chime in. Let that same commit be investigated for something a week later and there are 100 comments. SMDH.

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Wargor's picture

Don't turn on the local news, it'll surprise you too. ;)

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Kasino Royale's picture

Hey, At least the person watching the news isn't actively seeking out bad news to yap about. Maybe they DVR the news then fast forward past the weather and just get to the crime watch update. Got to get ammo for those #hot takes!!! lol

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stxbuck's picture

So do you, personally, read the Happy Feel Good community section of your local news periodical or website before perusing the headlines?

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saintstephen11's picture

The fact of the matter is that NO ONE here has any facts in the case so to make any judgment one way or the other is just pontification and nothing more. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Apparently you and I are in the minority.  You can't judge this case on the facts, because they aren't known.  What happened in that room?  Anyone?  Bueller?  Bueller?  So why are we assuming that HE was a perp?  Because of his race?  Because he's a jock?  Because a University, terrified of Title IX, acted without facts?  

We know for sure only one thing...an athlete's life is ruined.  We know that there MIGHT be a victim of sexual imposition.  I don't know about you, but I sure wouldn't want my life in the hands of an unqualified judge.  Give me law enforcement; not an institution that is subject to other pressures (political, public opinion, financial) that tip the scales of justice away from me.

Here are some common sense rules for college kids:

Stay away from getting your jollies in a hunter/prey type scenario. (Bar, Frat party, private party)  The risks to your future aren't worth those few moments of pleasure.  Wait until you have some kind of relationship first.  Until then, KEEP IT IN YOUR PANTS.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

Ako ne možete postavljati bez gluposti ... nemojte

Ako vièeš na suce, ti si šupak
 

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buckeyeinWI's picture

disappointing to say the least.

Hopefully the kid gets his sh*t together, sooner than later.

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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terryin20878's picture

Your every move is monitored, dear D1 college football player.  Too much pressure?  There's always JUCO.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

The FBI says approximately 8 percent of rape allegations are unfounded. So for those of you "she didn't call the police this is Duke Lacrosse all over again" folks, you have a 92 percent chance of being wrong, according to the FBI. I'm a betting man and if someone gave me a better than 9/10 chance to win a bet:, I'm taking those odds. The anectdotal cases being presented (Duke Lacrosse being the football defender Bros bread and butter play) are exceptions not rules.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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Trebor40's picture

I believe the university did a tremendous job given the time and resources brought into this investigation - he was then let go. I have to believe that there are enough details rendered that a reasonable belief that the woman was taken advantage of in this case is correct. As stated in other posts, I instruct at several prisons in Ohio and help those reintegrate upon release. It is hard for me to trust or fathom the percentage the FBI has put forth when we work with exonerated clients who have served anywhere from 5-38 years and evidence granting/contributing to their release and over the past 25 years that my director has been working in partnership with Legal Aid of Western Ohio, the ACLU, and the Innocence Project we are sitting at 21% percent 

I would rather be on hand with 10 men then elsewhere with 10,000 - Timur Lenk

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Nick's picture

That would be true if a police report was filed and the police investigated, not the kangaroo title ix "investigation".

If you are raped call the police, not the school.

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

Can the mods explain to me why this info about Snead has been released? I read the Lantern article and am still confused. The university is required to keep student information including discipline info private yet the Lantern was able to sue and get a court order to get an unredacted report of university findings and dismissal, which they then published? 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Can the mods explain to me why this info about Snead has been released?

At our next MOD meeting, we will ask Urban and Gene Smith. They’re our special guest speakers at the June 10th meeting. 

But seriously, have no clue. But neither do the other MODs...except BeatTTUN. But we put him in lockdown until football season, so he cannot comment.

Memento mori

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buckeyeupnorth's picture

My question was a serious one , based on privacy issues. 

The university has a system in which it investigates allegations of violations of student conduct. No one has a 'right" to attend OSU, it's a privilege, but one that comes with a contract between both the university and the students. As part of that contract, the university can decide after a process that you are no longer eligible to attend OSU due to their determination that you have violated the contract based on what limited investigation they can do and dismiss you. They appear to be obligated to keep the facts behind that dismissal private. I would assume( and who knows if I am right) that that privacy is enforced because they DO NOT have all the facts, cannot investigate allegations to the extent that law enforcement can and are not bound by miranda rights, legal due process, etc.  What they find that  violates the terms of the contract,  may be far less than a criminal finding of wrongdoing under our statutory laws. Our legal system was established to provide protections to the innocent.

So this is kept private, Snead leaves, goes to another school and then the Lantern, in what appears to be a separate lawsuit for FOIA, comes across a redacted version of this report and asks a court to unredact it. Court obliges and this info is now published to public media outlets including this one. 

I"m not in any way defending Snead. What I am defending is that he now has this allegation published publicly, the only finding is that the university system decided there was probable cause based on ???info that Snead perpetrated unwanted sexual intercourse on a female student and dismissed him. 

The circumstances and the evidence of this activity is unknown. His dismissal is based on opinion of a group of university disciplinary committee members who only had what little evidence was presented, and a victim who had refused to report said event even to them. While the original reporter of this potential violation may have had credible evidence, we don't even know who that person is, or what they were aware of. The university most likely found they had more evidence than not that Snead had violated student conduct which is why they dismissed him, but they certainly didn't have more than statements and recall from any witnesses.

This gets to the heart of the argument over prosecutors releasing opinions of guilt in statements even though there are no charges being filed and therefore, no ability of the accused to defend themselves with evidence legally. But human nature being what it is, the accused is assumed to be guilty. And now he'll have to carry that with him no matter where he goes. Possibly he deserves it, but in truth, I don't have an opinion since I don't have any actual facts. 

I just do not understand why this info was made public and was asking for clarification. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

My question was a serious one , based on privacy issues. 

Obviously, I was just hamming it up. I actually giggled when you asked the MODs, because we are just like you, and don’t have any inside info (at least not because we are MODs). Maybe you meant to imply staff, or someone else. But my insight into the reasons would be no more valid than yours.

Interesting questions, just not something that the local Internet Commenting Policy (as we’ve so affectionately been called before) has any more insight than any other commenters.

Memento mori

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Kevin Harrish's picture

The police report and university discipline info are not the same thing. A police report is public information – regardless of if charges were ultimately filed. That is what The Lantern sued to receive, and why they were successful.

After they received the police report, they asked for comment from Ohio State, and were voluntarily given a statement (that they did not sue to receive) from a university spokesperson (Ben Johnson) who outlined the infraction and disciplinary measures. I don't know the specifics, but I can't imagine anything they said violates any university or legal privacy laws, since they volunteered the statement. 

buckeyeupnorth's picture

Kevin, thank you, the Lantern story is confusing on this issue.

I would agree, OSU likely wouldn't have issued their statement if it violates privacy laws. 

I stand by my post , however, that IMO, the findings of the University of Snead's dismissal should not have been made public.                    However, that is the downside(among others) to these types of university "court" systems that should be constantly evaluated. 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I understand your point. The university certainly didn't have to volunteer as much information as they did, but probably wanted to for their own personal PR reasons.

But yes, as far as I understand, the only thing that The Lantern obtained with the complaint was the un-redacted police report, the university was not legally obligated to give that statement or any other details.

logamaniac's picture

Huh?  If they are forced to do their own university investigation and came to their own final conclusion they owe it to every student and future student both here and his next campus to make that information known to those who inquire.  

If they don’t that’s just a critical failure of learning from your own history.  

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stxbuck's picture

Don't count on the Lantern for anything like clarity or getting in front of a major story..................

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buckeyedownunder's picture

Another great recruiting victory in getting the top kicker in the country to come in and grayshirt.

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BuckeyeBig2012's picture

It's not like football players don't get falsely accused of sexual assault. 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-pleads-guilty-to-making-up-rape-allegat...

Maybe Snead thinks he caught a break and is happy to start over in Iowa. Maybe he thinks he was thrown under the bus since he didn't do anything wrong but OSU wanted to appear to be doing the right thing. Guess we'd have to hear from him before that could be determined. 

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blu.fan's picture

Tip of the hat to 11W for covering and sharing the story and allowing comments. Having said that, I don't have much to say. I basically believe that OSU and Michigan both do the right thing in disciplining players, especially with sexual assault, but also with other clear infractions. (Chris Evans with academic misconduct, others with theft, etc., etc.)

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logamaniac's picture

I basically believe that OSU and Michigan both do the right thing in disciplining players, especially with sexual assault

are you really that far removed from the kicker/lewan debacle?

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blu.fan's picture

I thought Brandon Gibbons (kicker) was expelled from Michigan, and not allowed to graduate under any terms. That was Michigan's doing. And I agree with you that Hoke should have suspended him sooner. I think it needs to be spelled out that when allegations are made, someone should be suspended immediately until things are clarified. I know in some cases, there is the presumption of innocence until guilt is proven. Regarding Lewan, he was a jerk and I assume is still a jerk. I also think he was in the wrong, but maybe the code of conduct didn't spell out that to speak out in certain ways in defense of your friends is itself wrong behavior? I am sure in many circumstances, people and kids on teams "circle the wagons."

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logamaniac's picture

How many years after the incident did that punishment come?  And after the last season of eligibility to boot?  Coincidence?

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Nick's picture

Don't rush to judgement on the kid because these Title IX "investigations" are called a kangaroo court for a good reason. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Your absolutely right and don't let the girls downvoting you bother you, some people don't believe in the Justice System and I certainly would suggest that they NEVER allow themselves to be placed on a jury. Perhaps they should actually look into how the "courts" are set up, whom may testify, isn't required to do so, what level of "proof" is sufficient. 

Sani

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BucksHave7's picture

This kid is no longer a Buckeye, so I have no comment on it.  Prayers for the victim.

BucksHave7

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East Coast Buckeye's picture

What if Brian Snead is the actual victim in this situation?

Ever heard of Duke Lacrosse, UVA frat, Jack Montague, Brian Banks?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/wrongfu...

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BucksHave7's picture

Hey I understand, there are always exceptions, but didnt tOSU spend months investigating? 

BucksHave7

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East Coast Buckeye's picture

It’s amazing how many young men’s lives have been ruined because of the Title IX overreach and the Me Too movement. 

All of you saying, “OSU did the right thing”, I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if Brian Snead were your child. 

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Sanitarian2's picture

Depends upon what he actually did, doesn't it. If my child was falsely accused of this particular action and he was NOT guilty I would care less about social media wrath or political correctness or OSU, I would be so far up the hearing committee's butt that only my feet would be dangling. if my son DID take advantage of a sexual situation or even commit rape I would apologize to the University and the girl and put my foot so far up his butt that only my head would be dangling. 

Was this a situation where there was a classic rape situation where the girl just wants it to go away or was it drunk or high kids or something else. WE DON'T KNOW. We do know that millions of women have been raped and never press charges and thousands of men have been accused of a crime they did not commit. Neither is acceptable but our Justice System is designed to allow some guilty to go free so no(Pipe dream I know) innocent are jailed. Apparently in our Universities the system believes  that a 50.1% feeling of probably guilty is enough to punish a student. 

Hell, one can agree with the decision and still argue that the system that spawned it is unfair and contrary to the American way. Then again, probably not as too few of our youth are able to separate emotion from logic. 

Sani

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