Skull Session: Ohio Coaches Talk Ryan Day's Recruiting, Deion Sanders Praises Julian Fleming and Jonah Jackson Looks NFL Bound

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blueblazer22's picture

I am blown away that Smileys are as profitable as they apparently are. After reading that link, not even sure what to say other than props to Loufrani in France for thinking to secure the rights to the ever-present smiley. 

Neon Deion is out of his mind, but that should not be shocking in any way. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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dan_isaacs's picture

The problem with being that awesome is nobody around you will challenge what you say.  After a decade or 3, your internal filter withers away.

This is why I love my wife.  She makes sure I'm made aware of the dumb shit I say. :)

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MichiBuck12's picture

I know Sanders was trying to be supportive and helpful, but that was a super awkward thing to post on a teenagers social media.

I find it interesting that Ryan Day has 2 of the 4 highest rated recruits in school history, and that Urban does not even have one of the other two. For all the talk about how Urban was a better recruiter than Tressel (and in many ways, he was) it is Tressel and not Urban that has the other two highest rated recruits.

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PhillyNut's picture

I have a different take. When you are 16-17 you need things spelled out for you in detail and multiple times what you need to stay away from. A high schooler hearing that from a HOF does not hurt. Simply telling a teenager "just take care of business off the field" has absolutely no impact on their decision making. Hell, that doesn't work for most adults.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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BbBnD's picture

100% agree. Teenagers are dumb. I was once a very dumb teenager too. If you tell a teen to take care of business, he may think “don’t do drugs,” but not equate that to watching out for the wrong girls or keeping the right friends. You have to spell out everything out because they’re dumb. The list should’ve been longer. 

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Dillon G's picture

If Ohio is not locked down, players like Beanie and Mo Clarrett go to Michigan, Tennessee, or wherever.

#walkaway

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TMac's picture

Ohio kids at the top are always going to be recruited hard from Day 1 by Ohio State. It's the kids that aren't top 300 (or whatever #) that UFM offered late, or never, that might need to get looked at a bit harder, a bit earlier.  When UFM started recruiting, it wasn't played out on social media for all to see. Today everyone knows who has offers from which schools and when. But the Zach Harrisons and Cade Stovers are going to get the full recruiting experience from the inute the coaches are allowed. 

ONE Not Done!

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I_Run_The_Dave's picture

Ohio kids also don't play year round like in other states, so there is often more raw potential and less exposure leading to lower star ratings for equivalent talent.  So that borderline 3 star from Ohio might be every bit as good in college as a 4* from Georgia.  With more tread left, to boot.  You also can't put a price on the loyalty of a lifelong fan growing up here, those kids will outwork their competition 100% of the time.

That's why you don't overlook Ohio.

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Dillon G's picture

Chuck Webb from Macomber did football like Jim Jackson in basketball. He went to Tennessee. That should never happen. Tressel mended those fences.

#walkaway

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BucksHave7's picture

Dawand Jones is 6-8 and 360.  Jonah Jackson is an NFL prospect.  

And you guys are worried about our OL? 

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

Many of us are more concerned with Oline coaching then Oline talent.

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BucksHave7's picture

I hear you.   Justin Fields's legs are gonna fix any issues with the OL.  Was year, our QB was literally a sitting duck for any OL breakdowns.

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

QB mobility will be a good thing, and while Fields legs will purportedly “fix” OL issues, I hope his arm/accuracy doesn’t create other problems.

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BucksHave7's picture

Fields is pretty special.  He is not just another mobile qb that has a great arm.  

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Hemi14's picture

Based on high school credentials.  Time will tell.

Arizona Buckeye

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BucksHave7's picture

I don’t think you realize how big of a talent Fields is. He’s pretty freakin awesome and would be the starting qb at all but maybe 5 schools in the country. 

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Bucks19's picture

Oh yes he thinks so and so do I. Talented? Yes. Doesn't mean he will make the big leap to big time football. We all hope but no guarantees.

So who are those 5 schools?

Hurts, Tua, Lawrence, Love, Martinez, Costello, Patterson, Fromm, Ehlinger, Herbert, King, Mond, Burrow and Love are better. 

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Bucks19's picture

Whatever dude. This is a board that’s for healthy conversations and to agree or disagree with each other. 

With that note, Fields hasn’t done a thing for almost two years. Don’t let facts get in the way when having a discussion about him. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Last year you took the stance that Trace McSorly would have a better year than Dwayne Haskins. 

You are here only to hate on the Buckeyes.  Your BS gets old.

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Major H's picture

I'm worried that they're going to have to raise the ceilings in the Woody so Dawand doesn't go around bumping his head. I hope they ordered an oversized bed for his room, too! 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Hovenaut's picture

Also don't take issue with issuing of retired numbers, especially if the school/former player/family of former player is ok with it...and the student-athlete respects the responsibility that comes with it.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Major H's picture

Agree, especially with the respect aspect. 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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acBuckeye's picture

Are we talking actual retired numbers, or numbers that haven't been worn in a really long time? Asking for a former Redskin buddy of mine.....

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

A little bit of both.  There were ceremonies officially retiring the following numbers: #45 Archie Griffin 10-30-99; #31 Vic Janowicz 9-23-00; #40 Hop Cassady 11-18-00; # 22 Les Horvath 10-06-01; #27 Eddie George 11-10-01; #47 Chic Harley 10-03-04; and #99 Bill Willis 11-03-07.  

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Now days, players/numbers are "honored", as #10 Troy Smith in 2014, but can be used without permission.  The original seven numbers are retired but can be used with permission from the player or his family.  Those players and their numbers are displayed around C deck in the 'Shoe.

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Hovenaut's picture

TurdBucket with the full details above (thanks, TB),

Also thought of Theismann here as well, with a chuckle.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Man I am so excited about Jonah Jackson. He’s going to be a stabilizing force along that OL 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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BucksHave7's picture

Im still amazed that Rutgers last year was THE B10 leader in least sacks given up.  And Jonah was the team captain.

BucksHave7

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ToTheHouse's picture

Neon dion may talk Fleming but...this:

The Bucks art director, designer and brander, Samuel Silverman, developed a program called Brand U that takes players step-by-step through a branding exercise and helps them develop their own personal brand. The program can last all four years the player is on campus and has even bled over into players' time after college in whatever field they choose.

"The Brand U thing was really cool, and I like their real-life Wednesdays where they have speakers come in weekly," Fleming said. "Also, their internship program, they have one of the widest ones being able to send their players worldwide. Just to be able to get opportunities outside of football, so those are two things that stood out to me outside of football."

prime time who...

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McGrind's picture

Don't sleep on Steele...he is going to be a good one. Recruiting trail tip for RBs...know that dude Moutain on GOT...how would you like to run behind him?

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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semperfibuck's picture

Agree about retired numbers, Kevin. How is a player “honored” when no one sees or even thins about the number he wore? Especially players who are my age or older: Les Horvath is a perfect example. Having Steele wear 22 is much more of a reminder that Les also wore that number... and we can all hope Steele approaches Les’s greatness.

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TMac's picture

"Retiring" a number when you have ~100 kids on your roster every year is unrealistic. Maybe you retire Archie's number as his feat is unmatched in college football, but othwise, you pass the "97" along and hope the next man up lives up to the number. 

ONE Not Done!

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cledaybuck's picture

Katzenmoyer wore 45, so I can't say even that was retired.

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Sav45age's picture

Andy got permission from Archie to wear 45 while he was being recruited. It was retired the year after he declared for the draft. No one has worn it since it was retired.

i have always thought of the number 22 as the ultimate buckeye number,... its retired in football, basketball, and baseball.

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semperfibuck's picture

Forgot to say, Kevin. You should do a feature about Antioch College in Yellow Springs. It was almost Bennington, or a cheaper scale. ;>) When we were in hs in the 60’s, we used to drive over to look at the hippies, the druggies, the radicals, the whatever’s. Don’t think any student there was from small-town Ohio. TOSU it wasn’t! ;>)

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Antioch College...I never went to Yellow Springs but it had a fictional hedonistic reputation, as if it so decadent it couldn’t be real, kind of it’s own Harrad Experiment.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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PhillyNut's picture

"Literary brat back"? How can anyone take people like this seriously. Reminds me of when the mathaltetes in Mean Girls show up at the competition and there are like 20 people in the auditorium and they say it is a great turnout.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I couldn’t help but notice that Deion neglected to list the one thing that could derail Fleming’s career probably more than any other, something so obvious that it’s conspicuous by its absence: injury. Maybe because unlike the others (focus, friends, women, academics), Fleming’s health isn’t entirely within his control. 

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

Good eye, Iowa. Injuries have derailed more aspiring CFB careers than Carter's got little pills. And it's as much blind bad luck as anything.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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Snake64's picture

I'd say Deion was pointing out things that could derail his career but are within his control. He can choose the type of women, friends, and or substances he consumes. But less likely he can choose to avoid an injury while on the practice field or in a game. 

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

The signing of Jonah Jackson will likely prove to be just as huge as Fields for this season. I'm very confident the O-line will be dominant.

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Triv's picture

Agreed. Jackson/Myers/Davis is going to be one of the best interiors in CFB by seasons end. We already know Munford is good and another jump good push him into "great" territory. The only real question mark imo is right tackle, and we have Bowen who has game experience and former #1 overall OT in the nation NPF battling it out.

Stud may get grief as a recruiter, but he's been a very solid OL coach since arriving at OSU (particularly at developing centers, which is why I have 0 concern about Myers being a 1st year starter). We're gonna be just fine in the trenches this year.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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BbBnD's picture

He’s been a solid recruiter and he’s pulled some big names at both LSU and OSU. It’s the development that’s questionable. There have been more than a few top 150 guys that have looked more like 500-300 recruits after a few years in the program. And while Price and Elflien were great centers, Michael Jordan couldn’t even snap well consistently. The most important part of the job. Also, he was a very good guard. That’s coaching, either poor teaching or a poor decision putting him there. 

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Triv's picture

Michael Jordan couldn’t even snap well consistently. The most important part of the job

Yeah lets just ignore the fact that he was a 3rd team All American center. He had some snap issues but let's not act like he wasn't a very, very good center lol. You can't chalk the snapping up to coaching, but give coaching 0 credit for his other abilities.

There have been more than a few top 150 guys that have looked more like 500-300 recruits after a few years in the program

Stud has been in the program for exactly 3 seasons. In that time, OSU has had 2 Rimington winners, 3 All Americans, and 5 players drafted (The only starting OL under Stud that haven't been drafted are Malcolm Pridgeon and Demetrius Knox). The 2018 OL struggled with run blocking, but was one of the best pass blocking team in the NCAA. His 2 previous years saw the rushing offense finish 7th and 14th respectively among non-triple option offenses.

Long story short, the performance of Stud's OL has never really been an issue at OSU.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I would give most of the credit for our two Rimington winners to Warinner. 

I also have to question your statement that the performance of Stud’s OL has never really been an issue at OSU. Our OL has never been as good as it was in the Warinner years. Last year we couldn’t even block for the RPO and had to abandon it, along with our running game. The only thing we could do well was pass block. Studrawa came to OSU with a decent reputation from his time at LSU...since then, not so much.

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Triv's picture

Neither of those Rimington winners ever payed a snap at center under Ed Warriner, and Price spent 2 years as a starter under Stud and just 1 under Ed. How the hell does Warriner get credit for him being a 1st round center? Answer: he doesn't. It's insane to even suggest that lmao.

I mentioned the issues with run blocking last year in my comment, the team and coaches struggled to adapt to an offense led by a non running QB. Part of that absolutely is on Stud, and I never claimed Stud was the best OL coach in football. I said he was very good, and has done a great job of developing talent.

Our OL has never been as good as it was in the Warinner years

This is objectively false. Our YPC in 2017 was higher than any Warriner year but 1, and 2016 was pretty much right in the middle of Warriner's typical YPC numbers.

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Both Rimington winners were developed as OL by Warinner. Both were starters as guards on the Ohio State OL when Studrawa came in. The development was well on its way for those two before Stud set foot on campus. When Warinner was here, the OL play improved steadily throughout the year. I haven't noticed that yet with Studrawa. It seems that we finished as we started.

YPC were fairly steady until last year when we averaged 4.3 YPC and a lot of OL penalties. That is on Stud 100%. Players he recruited and developed that haven't played any where near the standard we are used to at Ohio State. Pass blocking was good but if you want to play for a NC you really need to have a balanced attack.

I truly hope that Studrawa turns out to be better as he goes along. This should be a strong year for the run with a fast, mobile QB, a 1,000 yard RB and an OL filled with experienced players mixed with 5 star recruits. 

I guess we could probably debate this issue forever. I really want to see improvement from our OL during the year and really cut down on our false start/holding penalties. 

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BbBnD's picture

I realize Jordan received some accolades, but honestly, after watching his performance at center last year, you weren’t disappointed? The snapping issue wasn’t an occasional thing and there were a lot of false starts that were very clearly timing issues caused by the center. Jordan went from a clear all-American guard to center that couldn’t consistently perform the basics of his position. The poor timing and bad snaps aren’t debatable. It’s on film. I don’t care about the awards he received. He wasn’t a good center. 

Generally, pass blocking was great. No arguments there, but that doesn’t compensate for the run blocking that was putrid against some very mediocre defenses. You can’t have poor run blocking at OSU. The run blocking was horrible against Purdue. That isn’t acceptable. A lot of reasons have been given for Dobbins step back in 2018 and most are valid, but it was also very obvious that the run blocking was, by OSU standards, terrible. 

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Triv's picture

Have to imagine if we land Kendall Milton or Bijan Robinson that Steele might end up in the LB room, right?

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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buckinraleigh's picture

I doubt it.  We are already thin at RB and likely lose JK after this season.  Steele will be the presumed #1 RB in 2020, with hopefully one of the young studs pushing him.  The #2 RB usually gets about 8 carries a game.

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BbBnD's picture

Marcus Crowley and Master Teague disagree about the presumed #1 in 2020. 

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Triv's picture

If we land Milton/Robinson, Steele might be the presumed #4 RB. 3rd at best. Not sure where you're getting #1

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The worst part of Deion's IG post is that it enables and encourages more grown men to post and tweet at teenaged high school kids. If football wasn't involved that behavior would be investigated by the police. It's just creepy.

As for the Ohio HS recruits, Ryan Day cannot take a chance on too many projects because a percentage of them always DO turn out to be big duds. He is taking a willing risk on the two OLs (James and Leroux) based on their athleticism. I can get behind that. What I can't support is appeasing the "Ohio first" crowd and taking kids just because they are from Ohio. The state just doesnt have the number of elite prospects it used to have. I never once faulted Urban's recruiting logic and I dont fault Ryan Day's either.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

According to the arrest report, officers were dispatched about 2:20 a.m. Friday to Archibald's Gentlemen's Club on a complaint about "an intoxicated man refusing to pay his bill."

The report says Comeau, 47, was found standing in a roadway "refusing to move." He was asked to move "multiple times" but "refused."

Hay, nothing like a little moral turpitude to ruin your career. SMDH.

I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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jmmysms's picture

I think he WAS also a reserve police officer?

My motto on strip clubs. Why jump start your motor if you ain't taking a trip?

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gobucks1966's picture

Some won't like this but Urban recruited Ohio and well but Ohio just lacks in top elite players number wise these days. Other than the Carmans of the world and a very small number of others that didn't want to play here he gets a A from this poster. There are a couple others with a shaky history of trouble that  Urban avoided even though very good players. A rb that went to ttun and a real character at Kentucky now. One in the NFL and the other probably will be if he keeps his nose clean. I think Zeke won out at rb and wr's we have now will trump the other one. Not many Ohio kids made the NFL that didn't go through Urbans door. Not a fan of taking any kid Ohio or not to keep people happy I'm sure Saban cares less what people say too.

Denny

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jpfbucks01's picture

Great stuff as always Mr Harrish, but perhaps a bit more sleep is required :)

"Putting him in a circle drill against any other human being would be be enough to earn manslaughter charges". Be Be indeed

"But when you better him in your work daydreams when you prognosticate your favorite college team's depth chart on your bosses dime, cause according to noted NFL talent knower, Jonah Jackson is a future pro". - not even certain what this sentence was supposed to say

"So coaching makes sense, especially since you don't really knee healthy knees to do that". - Knee those knees

"When you're barely finished your junior year of high school and you've already got the attention of a Hall of Famer, you're probably doing something right". - Either the word “with” is missing or “you’ve” chosen the wrong word here

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Good lord, I can't even blame a lack of sleep on this one. I have amended, and tomorrow is another day!

AZ Buckeye13's picture

Spellcheck is a fickle mistress. It doesn’t check for grammatical errors ;)

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