Skull Session: Ryan Day Recruiting a New Era, J.K. Dobbins' Rebound Season, and Urban Meyer's a Family Man

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Dillon G's picture

Passing is another way to "spread" the defense, not just formations. It will be interesting to see Fields pass successfully, and the defense adapt. But not there is a runner in the pocket. Sucks to be those defenses.

#walkaway

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

 Sucks to be those defenses Don Brown.  I like this a little bit better.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

And you can be concerned about the recruiting on the defensive side of the ball, but Doug's leaving off 2021 defensive end Zach Sawyer (the No. 2 overall player in the country) 

I think you mean Jack :)
 

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NuttyBuckeye's picture

As long as we have Coach LJ on our staff, I am NOT WORRIED about the D-line.

What's round on the ends and high in the middle? Tell me if you know!

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BuckeyeForever's picture

Zach Sawyer? Zach Harrison/Jack Sawyer hybrid, that’d be the number one recruit in the nation...

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Kevin Harrish's picture

I honestly think that’s what my rotted brain did. That would be one hell of a prospect.

MichiBuck12's picture

I too am not convinced that Urban is ever going to coach again. But I also wouldn't be surprised if he did. He seems to be pretty happy with where he's at right now. Its good to see him enjoying the family stuff. I think where it will get difficult for him is when he goes back to being on TV and being around football all the time but not being a part of it. 

For a team that runs the ball so much, Michigan sure seems to have slacked off in the RB recruiting department. Its going to be hilarious watching Shea Patterson try to win games with his arm this year. They've got some talented receivers but unless Patterson changes pretty much everything about himself, he just isn't that good.

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Homey1970's picture

You hear the stories of his family and if you still believe he will decide to take a coaching job at a place like USC (2,000 miles away) then you’re not reading between the lines.  Kids and grandkids are a powerful incentive to stay close. 

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Homey1970's picture

Should have said this post was not directed at MichiBuck.  ...just in general discussion on topic.

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DCDDC's picture

They are going to use Patterson as a passer and more of a J T Barrett roll.  J T would be the first one to tell you you gotta have a real running back too.

m GO BLOW!!!

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MichiBuck12's picture

I was very vocal in my criticism of JT's passing ability. From a passing standpoint, I'd still probably take JT over Shea. Add their respective running abilities, and its not even close. Suffice to say, I don't think very highly of Shea at all.

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armynurseboy's picture

Even if his health improves to the point he can coach again, I hope Buckeye Nation acts with more class about it than Gator Nation did.  Those guys STILL act like a jilted girlfriend.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Based on the reaction so far, I have no doubt our fan base would react better than Florida did. You're right, they're a bunch of whiners and they proved that they didn't deserve him in the first place. So far though, the reaction from our fan base seems to be very supportive at best, and indifferent at worst to the possibility of him coaching again. The caveat being that if he were to go to michigan. If he does that, all bets are off. But I don't see him doing that. I really don't see him coaching again. The circumstances this time are totally different and he seems much more at peace with it than he did when he left Florida. Plus he has grandkids now, and I'm sure more on the way. He only came back to Ohio State with his families approval and I don't know that he would get that again.

 
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SilverHaven's picture

Amazing lead in note:

A massive bunch of blubber that is a whiter shade of pale knocked to the mat the chiseled frame of a tall body builder. And he did it twice with the same right overhead followed by a left uppercut.  And now he is the world champion. For those who don't believe it, and I still can't even with video proof, here's the link:

https://www.si.com/boxing/2019/06/01/andy-ruiz-knocks-out-anthony-joshua...

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

My buddy texted me and said “if I saw the heavyweight champion of the world at a community pool, I’d bet my friends money I could kick his ass.”

hetuck's picture

Too bad the bout wasn't in Vegas. Imagine the damage he could do at a celebratory buffet. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Major H's picture

Butterbean has been reborn!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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DS117's picture

He's not fat, he's fluffy.

I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield

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Major H's picture

Nope, that's fat. BB Landers might be "thick" or a little fluffy, but that dude is fat. Am I going to call him fat to his face, oh hell no! 

BTW, I like your Rodney Dangerfield quote!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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DS117's picture

My favorite Dangerfield quote was (and I paraphrase) when he said he was propositioned by a hooker on the way to the show.  She told him she'd do anything for $10.  He said "Great! Clean my garage!"

I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield

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Major H's picture

ROTFLMAO! That is too funny!

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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SilverHaven's picture

Oh no, Major, you're right, don't call this guy out. Can you imagine how much weight, however jiggly, he can put behind a punch?

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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NHBuckeye's picture

So there’s hope for those of us that have long since stopped working out?  Cool! 

Fields of Dreams

 

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MichiBuck12's picture

As a chubby dude myself, I love this.

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BucksHave7's picture

How bad has pay per view greed ruined Professional Boxing?   

I remember as a kid watching all of Tyon's fights on HBO.   Now adays championship fights are going on and its not even covered. 

BucksHave7

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Hovenaut's picture

Yep...PPV and all the organizations that declare world champions. Had no idea about the fight, nor the sanctioning bodies aligned with the event.

Congratulations to Ruiz, though - helluva effort.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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NOBLUE's picture

the main reason a RB can't gain yards....O line is not doing their job.... Chris Evans out ?? oh yeah he was an old man at the end in End Game...

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TMac's picture

ONE Not Done!

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TMac's picture

ONE Not Done!

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216ToThe614's picture

I think the piece on Dobbins overlooked the impact that having a healthy Mike Weber had. Adding back in an upperclassman tailback who was legitimately good (a 1000 yard rusher like Dobbins) is going to really eat your opportunities, let alone just throwing it more. Not to mention the struggles the OL had with RPO run blocking for a large part of the year. Now that he's the lone guy back there (with the occasional spell from Master Teague et al.) things will be very different for him.

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
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blueblazer22's picture

The music link is so depressing. Not that there is anything in there that was earth-shattering I suppose as we have known for awhile that streaming doesn't make the artists any money, but seeing it all laid out as to what the label makes as opposed to the musician is sad. There is money to be made in music even now, but the model is slanted against those actually making the music which certainly seems counterintuitive to say the least. 

Between all the receivers, a guy that can throw, and good Rob's things are looking sweet on the offensive side of the ball. Now if we can really get the qb under center, even occasionally, I would be thrilled. That would simply add another dimension to a trains that looks unstoppable. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

There is money to be made in music even now, but the model is slanted against those actually making the music which certainly seems counterintuitive to say the least. 

Always has been. It's an icky business.  

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McGrind's picture

ttun passing game will be much improved and don brown is don brown...but that are not a natty caliber team and a key injury or two from taking a big step back. I still have them two losses plus a loss in the game. For 2020 they lose their WRs and the grumbling will begin.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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BucksHave7's picture

Last years TTUN team beats this years TTUN team.  I always judge the upcoming season by that. 

BucksHave7

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McGrind's picture

 RB could be a big problem...can’t just convert fullbacks and safeties and hope it works out.   if they can’t pass protect...look out.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear.

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esap153's picture

I thought the biggest issue with the run game last season was the offensive linemen who apparently blamed RPOs as being confusing them on whether to pass protect or run-block, as the latter requires mauling d-linemen, getting push, while pass protection requires the O Line to maintain position in front of their assignment, while trying to maintain a pocket behind them.

I'm really not sure why a lot of other schools including Penn State have had little issue figuring it out, I wonder if some of our linemen just weren't smart enough to grasp the RPO concepts.

Anyway, it was about halfway through the season, I think after the Purdue game where our O Line was badly exposed - on running plays the linemen wouldn't be bending their knees and we're getting blown back off the line by one of the most porous run defenses in the B1G. Essentially they would maintain pass protection stances, and poor pass protection stances - even then you have to bend your knees for balance and pivot, just not quite as much.

Anyway the offensive coaches decided to simplify things and ditched the RPO stuff and suddenly our run game started to come on.

But yeah, last season was not JK Dobbins fault, that was on the O Line IMO

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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Ethos's picture

This x 100. There are plenty of schools out there (some southern small school called Alabama for example) that have done just fine for themselves without quarterbacks that can run. It’s the running back and the offensive line, but after what we saw JK do his freshman year, it ain’t the running back. 

"I spent 90 percent of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted." - George Best

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brothadudeguy's picture

You're right about the OLine having trouble with RPO concepts. Whi is to blame though? I have the answer to that. Its Stud and he told on himself last year. Blantly coming out in interviews talking about how he doesnt like the RPO because you are supposed to run block the whole time but if the QB decides to pass then you might get an illegal man downfield penalty. This happens but you live with it. You aren't supposed to focus on that and cry about it like a baby. He has to be one of the worst oline coaches out there. Of course the line is going to have the same attitude as their leader.

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cledaybuck's picture

Anyway the offensive coaches decided to simplify things and ditched the RPO stuff and suddenly our run game started to come on.

Kind of.  The running game still sucked against MSU, NW, and UW.

But yeah, last season was not JK Dobbins fault, that was on the O Line IMO

While I mostly agree with this, it is a little concerning that Weber ran for almost 1 ypc more.

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PRO8's picture

When you have a QB like JT , Braxton , even Cardale and now Fields, the run threat from that position alone can make an O line look a lot better in the run game. I'm pretty sure about 1/4 way through the season last year the opposing D's were not worried about the QB run from any formation the Buckeyes ran. This year that fear will be back about the QB and the O line will look a lot better for it.

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silverbullets47's picture

I think with Meyers, Davis, and Jackson manning the inside of the line.  The running game will improve significantly.   Much Stronger at all 3 positions with a Nasty streak.  I think last years O-Line while excellent at pass blocking was a little soft up the middle.

"You win with people" — Woody Hayes

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Ryan Day will prove to be a legendary coach at The Ohio State University.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

I am obviously excited to have some high profile recruits in the fold, but I continue to look at the list and see a small number of cornerbacks and that has me worried.

Lot of time left, but they brought in 0 last year, I know the Buckeyes are at least in the mix on most of if not all the top guys, but if they don't pan out and the coaching staff has to end up just taking guys to fill spots that would be disappointing.

Now is when I really want to see them ramp up the urgency in corner recruiting. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Now is when I really want to see them ramp up the urgency in corner recruiting. 

I think the flaw in your assumption is that OSU isn’t urgent in their corner recruiting. They may be after some of these guys harder than Fleming. But just because we’ve had success at one position doesn’t mean that they’re not working just as hard with other positions.

Memento mori

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ToTheHouse's picture

https://twitter.com/Birm/status/1134476479562178562

Listen in, Mr. Julian is spot on the cruit'n trail. No better Hartline Pipeline Asst. than a 5* working 5*'s on both sides of the ball.

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Triv's picture

The staff has Lejond in as a corner (though I really think he'll end up an All American FS), Clark Phillips likely coming soon, and seems like we might push for Joseph Johnson before his commitment on the 4th of July as well. Having 3 in the fold and chasing Ricks all the way through signing day is a solid strategy imo. If we don't end up with Johnson though we do need to ramp things up with some of our other targets, as 3 CBs is an absolute must this year

Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

That's not counting any guys who might emerge their senior season, or even have a great summer of camps. Still some question marks in the defensive backfield, for sure, but it will come together. 

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BbBnD's picture

We shouldn’t be surprised that the defensive side of the ball is having a tough time recruiting this year. They’re coming off of a historically bad performance last year and more importantly, all but one of the D coaches was fired. If you think that won’t impact recruiting, you’re living in a fantasy word. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

That boxer looks like Rod Farva from Super Troopers. Car Ramrod!

 

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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BuckeyeSki's picture

He DOES appear to love him some liter's of cola that's for sure 

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

Urban Meyer accomplished quite a bit in his tenure as TOSU football coach.  His greatest legacy could be hiring/getting Ryan Day on staff and Day becoming head football coach.  It is still VERY EARLY but it is looking pretty good so far, five months in.  Time will tell.

GO BUCKS!

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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TNT's picture

Early is right. Let's wait until these commits put ink to paper and Day beats M!ch!g@n once before we rank "Day to Columbus" ahead of "7-0 with a national title" on Meyer's list of achievements.

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cledaybuck's picture

I think his greatest legacy is continuing the successful run that started with Tressel.  Things could have gone very bad post 2010 (just look at 2011, actually don't).

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BrutusB's picture

So what did Chris Evans do that was serious enough to be suspended for the year but NOT get expelled, while also being academic related but NOT affecting his ability to graduate? Those things don’t seem to add up. 

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lew-e's picture

Enema of the state is an all-time great album. God, that article hits the nail on the head. I can’t think about middle/high school without thinking of Blink. The Mark Tom and Travis show... wow. 

Go Bucks!

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tampatom's picture

Fields is a 5 star athlete and there is alot to be excited about, but the key to the position is the decisions he makes in critical situations, and he has not had to do that yet, so I am still cautiously optimistic that he will be up to the task. I think as good as Haskins was as a passer, his football IQ was very high which is why he was successful

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ISURVIVEDCOOPER's picture

I love the pass, but there is a deep deep scepticism in my soul that we are on the verge of Chip Kelly offense 2.0 with the who we are recruiting and play calling from last year when RDay was the interim HC. My one big fat hope is that our defense is not like Oregons in any way shape or form... Would love to see our defense back to being silver bullets who shut down offenses along with Day's high octane offense

"I don't apologize for anything.  When I make a mistake, I take the blame and go on from there." - Woody Hayes

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BucksHave7's picture

Last year we gave up an avg of over 400 yard/game.  That is the Worst in tOSU History. Allow our 4 and 5 stars simple schemes.  Get us back to a top 10 Defense and we run the table!

BucksHave7

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mmp15f's picture

I love the pass, but there is a deep deep scepticism in my soul that we are on the verge of Chip Kelly offense 2.0 with the who we are recruiting and play calling from last year when RDay was the interim HC. 

Don't worry--this won't be the case--and, remember, the play calling was more pass-heavy in general last year because Haskins wasn't a big running threat.

Also, I think you might be getting the Kelly/Helfrich tenures at Oregon overlapped with each other a little. Understandable given the similarities though (up-tempo spread, losing most of their toughest games, no defense, overhyped every year, etc.). Chip Kelly's Oregon teams, from '09-'12, actually relied more on their ground games though. Oregon's pass attack was their strength with Mariotta in 2013-2014 when Helfrich took over. 

My other reason is that Kelly's offense at Oregon honestly had very little variety. They kept the playbook small and tried to become great at executing simple plays. This allowed them to get the plays in quicker, and not have to worry about as many pre-snap reads, which is why they could play with such tempo. Their tempo was unique but their play-calling/scheme wasn't, and this is why they struggled against the best teams they played. We know Day's a great offensive mind and, with Wilson and Yurcich also installing some of their own concepts, we'll have balance. We've already seen our offense show a lot more variety the last two seasons compared to what it looked like before. 

Try not to worry about an offense that resembles Kelly's. You're probably just letting Day's history with Kelly influence your thinking a little too much, which is understandable, but they have shown to have their fair share of differences when it comes to running an offense.

Would love to see our defense back to being silver bullets who shut down offenses along with Day's high octane offense

What's awesome is that we have the talent to do this, and none of our coaches in the back-7 have any ties to those players so there can't possibly be favoritism/loyalty influencing depth chart decisions I'm incredibly optimistic about our 2019 defense. Even those who are returning starters were never named starters by the current staff so it doesn't matter, and that's exactly what we need.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Anecdote about Urban and his son's game made me smile.

Great article about Enema.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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vball10set's picture

good for Urban--he deserves every second he can spend with his family...priceless

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