Skull Session: Urban Meyer Recalls His Highs and Lows, Justin Fields Works on Pocket Presence, and Zach Smith Bombs Ed Warinner

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MichiBuck12's picture

I'm excited to see what Fields looks like this year. The kid obviously has all the talent in the world. Now its up to him and the coaches to turn that talent into something.

I wasn't sure what to expect from Zach Smiths podcast. If anything, I expected it to be an absolute shit show in the same category as his twitter account. I was very surprised that he sounded a lot calmer and more well spoken than I would have thought. I can't speak to how much truth is behind everything he says, but theres no denying at this point that its interesting. I will continue to listen with a healthy skepticism.

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BucksHave7's picture

im so optimistic about Fields for 2 years as a Buckeye.  And keep in mind Fields has handled a lot of BS since he’s gotten here and has kept his mouth shut.  IE: Martell, and other qb transfers. 

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Most of the BS is from morons who think Tate is a better QB (when Tate cant even crack the 2-deep in Miami).

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Dillon G's picture

The line was also not as good after Ed started with play calling. They didn't go Walrus bad, but it did go down.

#walkaway

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MichiBuck12's picture

I think Ed was a great O line coach and thats it. I also don't think thats necessarily a bad thing. I get that he wants more and wants to move up in the coaching world. Thats human nature. But I just don't think he's cut out for it.

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

The mere mention of The Walrus gives me shivers.  There was a lot of criticism of the offense during the JT years , particularly the offensive line, but it was never Walrus bad.

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Dstacify's picture

I know. Winning that 2002 Natty was remarkable considering how awful the offensive line was that season (Krenzel was constantly running for his life almost immediately after the snap that year). It drove me absolutely crazy how loyal to Bollman Tressel was (only OC Tressel ever employed at OSU).

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Silver Sniper's picture

Yeah Bollman was a disaster. I hate to think what could have been but imagine if we would have had an innovator calling the plays during the Tressel years. 

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Dstacify's picture

Bollman actually didn't call plays until 2011 (when Fickell was the interim HC after Tressel resigned). He was offensive coordinator in title only for the most part and was mostly in charge of the offensive line (and he wasn't even good at that job). Tress called all the plays on offense during his run as HC.

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Silver Sniper's picture

Didn’t know that. Thanks, D. I feel like OSU football has a lot of “what could have been” where it pertains to the coaching when we have had among the best athletes for any one team over the last several decades. From Cooper years to three Tressel title games to the awful OC and DC that Urban brought in that may have cost us multiple Nattys.

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Dstacify's picture

I will give Tressel some credit. He won a Natty in only his second season with a team that was deemed fairly untalented before the season began and that many felt had no business being in that NC against an extremely talented Miami team in the first place (despite their unbeaten record on a lengthened 13 game schedule). That's most certainly not underachieving.

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Silver Sniper's picture

That D was certainly very talented but of course Tressel gets a lot of credit. Just feel like so many times we’ve been right there and could likely have several more Nattys if not for small things like promoting Warriner to OC when he was unproven.

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blu.fan's picture

Warinner is OL coach at Michigan, not OC, for this very reason. I have heard that he is very helpful with some of the run calls, but not the whole offense. I'm not enough of a football strategist to completely get this, but I accept it.

The thing that seems to have changed is his recruiting acumen. Warinner has put a lot more time and energy into recruiting in the last couple years, and it shows. (Sometimes, you can teach an old dog new tricks.)

At the end of the day, I am ecstatic to have Warinner as OL coach. He has made a huge difference, and we will see it this year. And in subsequent years. The deficient OL was at the heart of Michigan's problems for the last 10 plus years.

I haven't listened to the Zach Smith podcast, and am not going to. I am sure that some of what Smith says is true. But just because Smith doesn't "have anything to lose" doesn't mean that everything he says is true. Some of it could easily be sour grapes of some kind. What I will say is that a loose cannon like that is an interesting thing. It will be interesting to see the take at Eleven Warriors when Smith decides to crap all over any current coaches, and on favorite players. I'm sticking with my inside informant's POV, which in so many words was that Zach Smith was a jerk.

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MichiBuck12's picture

OL coach is definitely Warrinners wheel house. He was also very successful at Kansas as the run game coordinator. As you alluded to, and as I've said before, Smiths podcast needs to be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism. I am very certain that his version of events is not 100% accurate. But I think he is at least somewhere in the ball park. I'll give an example. I have met Ed a handful of times as he is very close friends with people that I am also very close to. Ed's ego and his arrogance are things that even his closest friends recognize about him. I doubt its as bad as Zach made it out to be in the podcast, but it does exist. Smith also has quite an ego so it comes as no surprise that those two did not get along very well. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Technically, within the traditional corporate org chart hierarchy, Smith worked under Warinner on the offensive side of the ball—think Urban as CEO and Warinner as a division president and Smith as a VP. Smith never got a raise while he was at Ohio State. That says something to me and it’s possible Warinner had something to do with that. It’ll be interesting to see if Warinner responds. If he has any class he won’t; as the old expression goes, when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty but only the pig is happy.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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CowCat's picture

Smith never got a raise while he was at Ohio State.

I don't think that's accurate. When Smith was first hired he was making less than 200K. When he was fired he was making over 300K.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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huffdaddy's picture

You are good with Warriner as a line coach, but seriously - the man can't do anything else. Anything.

I think Zach is absolutely the worst, and I won't listen to the podcast. But everything he says tracks with everything we witnessed. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Dillon G's picture

I have a thought related to this. Larry Johnson got a raise and title promotion. But what does he do? He develops the defensive linemen. I know all the coaches get together, and coordinate, hence the position in coaching.

#walkaway

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BucksHave7's picture

Coach Holtmann, Get the offer to Oden ASAP please.

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PRO8's picture

I'm not buying what Smith is selling, I say that based on Urban Meyer. I guess he could hire a bad coach, he kept Smith on staff but there was a rather large personal reason why Smith stayed as long as he did. I think this is a guy who sees his ship is sinking and is making sure he does not go down alone. No doubt there could be some truth in what he says but that is just to much BS at once to buy from someone who seems to have way to many of his own issues.

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Blackcoffee's picture

Very few people ship's sink these days. Always ways/means to resurrect things via podcasts other social media platforms. Witness Art Briles coaching high school football again. The sensationalist edge to Smith's podcast suits today's media.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Warinner wasn't a bad OL coach but it was well known that he wasn't a real personable guy which hurt him when trying to develop relationships with recruits. We pretty much all feel that Warinner didn't do well as Co-OC but I still think that other elements prevented him from doing as well in that position as he could have. 

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Schizo's picture

I think you can triangulate something close to the truth based on ZS's comments and Cardale's comments. I still have a delay of game PTSD

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Knarcisi's picture

Cardale basically said the same thing about Warinner a few months ago and also said good things about Beck, debunking the majority of Beck opinions. 

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Kurt's picture

I've been a Beck defender for years which has earned me a good share of downvotes around here.   

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Extramedium's picture

I've said my share of terrible things about Beck, but considering both Cardale and Smith's stories match up, I'll definitely have to think about changing my tune.  It makes more sense why Mr. Mensa brought him over to Texas considering this, but then again he hasn't really set the world on fire for the Longhorns either.

If true though it just makes even less sense that Warinner was allowed to continue to screw things up.. why wasn't his role changed if it was more than abundantly clear he was in over his head and the reason for our offensive struggles?

I think the truth is neither of them really had a handle on what to do, and putting them together as "co-OCs" made it even worse.  The sum coming out as less than the parts.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

Warriner was let go after being a major part of a team that won 30 straight conference games so I am going to have to believe some if not all of Zachs comments are true.

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Dstacify's picture

Taking ZS with a grain of salt is always the right approach. However, Cardale recently had very similar accounts of the 2015 season that match up with a lot of what Zach is saying (though he's a little more critical of Urban). Tim Beck very well may have gotten a raw deal at OSU but he hasn't been great as the OC under Herman at Texas either and I remember Nebraska fans trying to warn us about him when he was initially hired by OSU (saying that he completely screwed up Taylor Martinez's development when he was at Nebraska). That being said Zach criticizing Warinner's recruiting abilities is him throwing stones from a glass house considering it's now well known that he and Herman used to blow off recruiting visits altogether to go to strip clubs.

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BbBnD's picture

Despite his lack of professionalism, Smith was actually a pretty good recruiter. It was the whole development part he seemed to struggle with. 

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Dstacify's picture

I'm not arguing Smith wasn't a good recruiter (though I do think Hartline has already surpassed him in that area). I'm saying him criticizing Warinner's ability to recruit is a rather stupid hill for him to choose to die on now that it's documented that he and Herman would often blow off recruiting visits altogether when they were at OSU to go to strip clubs.

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painterlad's picture

"At first it was all hugs and kisses.
Then it turned to brickbats and hisses."
Sign painted by a frustrated GI in France as to the treatment of American soldiers two weeks after the liberation of Paris.

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1-Iron's picture

I love a little history with my morning coffee!

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ToTheHouse's picture

And from two of, if not thee best from tOSU to write history in sports stone:

“I didn’t know anything important went on in *ichigan." The Golden Bear.

UFM: His favorite win?

“I’ve been asked that a lot, and I’d have to say the 62 points against our rival,” he said of the 62-39 upset of *ichigan."

May Day keep: This Tradition.

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Buctor's picture

It is sure easy to like the stories about Fields and Olave working it!  But not so easy to wait patiently for the results!!  Once again, really looking forward to OSU football games beginning!!!

Maybe Mr Oden should go to grad school and stay on as a student coach?  Doubt that is what he is looking for, but it is fun thinking about him coaching the incoming bigs.  The best of luck to him!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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Stymie's picture

It's 2019 and we're still saying "bowl games".... Please baby boomers ... go away so we can bring the sport up to date

Don't get Stuck on Stupid

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Bugsyk's picture

...and give the TTUN participation trophies?  They'll probably start counting them as National Championships.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

 Please baby boomers ... go away

I can think of someone that needs to go away and it ain't a baby boomer.

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fear_the_nut70's picture

This is an incredibly bad take, glad it got negged until it was grayed out.  CFB is the most unique of all sports with the last regular season that matters at all.  

You are entitled to you own opinion, not your own facts.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Rose Bowl...Sugar Bowl...Orange Bowl...Peach Bowl...Cotton Bowl...I am stymied???

For the life of me I can't understand why we still call these post season games "Bowl" games...

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Just change bowl to game. Then we can also have the "Super Game" to crown the NFL champions. Works great!

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Rose Game, Sugar Game Orange Game...just doesn't have the same ring to it...

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awlinBrutus's picture

The person I feel the worst for is JT Barrett. He gave so much to the program with his undying sacrifices. He just couldn’t consistently hit receivers in stride. I had no idea we ran crossing routes in 2017 until Haskins lead us to victory in the shit hole a2. I always said it was Warinner and Meyer, as coach obviously was seeing the same thing as us fans leading to MSU. Most of the blame should be on Meyer, as he seemed indifferent toward the offensive struggles under Warinner. Nearly every snap in 2016 was right @ 1 second on the play clock. Does anyone else remember Wisconsin’s FS jumping the snap counts on running plays from 10 yards deep for god sakes. That was biggest hitch about Warinner, good OC’s have the next couple plays ready. That in itself should have gave Meyer pause with Warinner. But hey at least with a Day, I doubt offensive problems will be allowed to fester for an entire season before addressing them.

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Dstacify's picture

Considering Day is the one calling plays on offense right now if problems getting lined up exist throughout the season with him the only person he can really fire is himself. So let's hope that's not the case with him.

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LCT's picture

The ongoing underbus-ing of Ed Warriner is pathetic.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Knarcisi's picture

Why?  We had a former player in Cardale say the same thing on a podcast a few months ago. And now we have a former assistant saying the same thing. Yes, I know it’s Zach Smith, but his angle was corroborated by Cardale. We were sure quick to jump to shit on Tim Beck without any information at all. 

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LCT's picture

It's as though Urban didn't have absolute hire/fire authority, unchecked playcalling veto power, a headset with which to communicate during games, authority to define assistant roles & duties, the ability to put whatever players on the field he wanted, etc etc etc....

Lifetime vs. UM: L 8-1, C 7-0, T 4-0

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Knarcisi's picture

Oh I agree with that and I’ve overstated that for years. Urban was responsible for the offense, period. And not like delay of game issues were isolated to 2015. But if we were to pick one shitbird between the two, sounds like it’s Warriner, although we were happy (me included) to shit on Beck with no information whatsoever. 

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Meek's picture

He was also loyal to a fault . . . a fault so big he's no longer here. He had the power to fire Warriner but his loyalty kept him from doing it.

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awlinBrutus's picture

Knarsci, I’ve been saying that since 2015 MSU, meyer’s indifference of the offense leading up to MSU  falls squarely on him.Warinner was in over his head, couldn’t even get the plays in on time. I defended Beck wasn’t calling plays, it was Warinner running the offense. Great position coach, bad recruiter and horrible coordinator. Your welcome SCum. 

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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kmp10's picture

I think Smith comes off as believable, and there's more than enough contempt to go around for all involved. While Smith has shortcomings as a person, as we all do, he was fired because of the wife-beating allegations. All of the other indiscretions... the immature twitter nonsense, the sex toys mailed to the office stupidity, the strip clubbing while on recruiting trips... were just trivialities in the grand scheme of things. I do not believe that Smith is an abuser, and I think his ex-wife is insanity, bitterness, and spite personified. Personally, I would not have hired Smith to begin with, but not because of the wife's lies, rather because I think there were far more qualified coaches than Smith who had earned an opportunity at a blue blood program like Ohio State. Zach Smith, at the end of the day, lost everything because he married a crazy person. He's admitted to not being a good husband, and I'm certainly not in a position to judge him there, but to lose everything you worked for because you strayed in your marriage isn't fair. Courtney Smith's allegations of abuse - allegations that were called patently false by her own flesh and blood mother, and by Zach Smith's mother and brother - ruined and marred careers (Smith's and Meyer's), wrecked an elite college football program, and negatively impacted her own children to a shameful degree. Take the abuse allegations, i.e., lies, out of the equation and you have a scenario where Smith gets told by Meyer to act like a goddamn adult and represent the program the right way, which means making better decisions while on recruiting trips, with social media, and when socializing... but he doesn't get fired and lose his career and livelihood, and Meyer's still at Ohio State, cyst and all, because none of it would have made a blip on the media's radar without Courtney Smith alleging abuse. 

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bennyhana311's picture

Um...ya, I’d continue to punt on Zach Smith.

Football is, after all, a wonderful way to get rid of your aggressions without going to jail for it.
- Woody Hayes

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Hovenaut's picture

Way to be, Zach Smith.

Keep the soap opera going, as I'm sure it benefits your bank account.

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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45has2's picture

Seems to benefit 11SJW's click count as well.

Censores irrumasti.

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mtrotb's picture

At least that guy who died consuming 246 packs of coke had a hell of a buzz before his body freaked out.

mtrotb

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

I understand his drink of choice was rum and coke.

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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HOLYbucknut's picture

I know a lot of you like to shit on Zach Smith, but when he starts bringing receipts to the table it’s hard not to believe some of the stuff he’s saying.

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Dstacify's picture

We kind of have a good reason to hate on ZS. His extra-curricular activities off the field brought down nothing short of hellfire on the OSU football program.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Ed Warinner was a very good OL coach for us but, as I read the comments by Smith, I really couldn't state any argument against most of them. Warinner wasn't known as a great recruiter or a personable kind of guy. It was interesting how Smith alleged Warinner treated his staffers terribly, that is something I wouldn't have guessed in a million years. Of course, Smith was a great recruiter who didn't seem to be able to develop those he recruited to their full extent. 

I hope that Oden gets an opportunity to coach somewhere. High school may be where he needs to start until he shows that he is a capable coach during game situations. Until then, hopefully he will stay at Ohio State as a volunteer assistant and help coach our big guys.

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blu.fan's picture

Everyone needs to know their limitations. For Warinner, he needs to stick to the OL. Beyond that, I suppose he might have something to say about TE's, particularly when they are blocking and an extension of the OL. He also apparently is pretty good with the run game. This makes sense, when your OL pulling and creating holes has so much of an impact on the run game.

Because Warinner was fired, and because he has certainly read the criticism (bad at recruiting, arrogant, not a good motivator,) I'm glad he was given another chance. And I'm very glad he is at Michigan. Relating well to your staff, relating to kids in high school and their families, caring for the players you are primarily responsible for, those are all things I could believe he improved at.

I suspect that Smith was a good recruiter for reasons I don't much care for. However, I don't know, and I really don't care at this point. He's gone, and I don't know that he will ever resurface in the college football world.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

Many, if not most, of the public toilets in Spain have the lights on a timer/motion delay. So, about every fifteen seconds the lights go out and you have to bob your head or wave your hand to put them back on. Maybe in the dark has its benefits, butt, I find it to be a pain in the ass. 

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Major H's picture

Maybe in the dark has its benefits, butt, I find it to be a pain in the ass. 

ISWYDT! LOL!

Or the hallway lights going out when you're wrestling a couple of suitcases down the hall and down the stairs at 0600!  Not just Spain, but I think most of Europe is on a motion detector. I guess that's better than paying huge electric bills.

Our first night on the Camino we were in a small guest house. It was in the 50s and the room was cold. We tried to turn on the thermostat but nothing worked. We asked the manager and he said, "The heat is on a timer. Don't worry, it will come on." It did, but it was 8 PM before the room started to warm up. 

I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.

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Gratefulbuck's picture

I find myself saying WTF a lot. You kinda sorta get used to it. But, not really. It’s worse if it’s hot and there’s no A/C, and then someone complains in an albergue/hostel because you want to open a window and get some fresh air. 

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soldierdad's picture

Smith and Herman corroborated their stories that Warinner was the problem and Beck the scapegoat.  Makes sense to me but it must have been hard to hear over the striptease music.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Dstacify's picture

Which is ironic considering Herman and Smith have much more beef with each other now than they do with Warinner.

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blueblazer22's picture

In this day and age, why wouldn't Hollywood use AI? I am sure they don't want to admit how deep it is delving into the algorithms but crunching the numbers has to provide some assistance. Light reading for an early Wednesday. 

I don't see much reason to listen to a Zach Smith podcast, but he certainly seems to have some things to say. Him speaking about someone else being a bad coach is funny to me, but whatever. As with all things I am sure there is truth and some not so truthy items out of all that talk. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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lamplighter's picture

maybe instead of AI. they should try to find ore talented writers who can pen a decent story.  Outside of comic books/graphic novels, the stuff on screen is pretty abysmal these days IMO

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ibuck's picture

[Hollywood]  should try to find ore talented writers who can pen a decent story.

Methinks there are good stories available, but the studio execs, wishing to protect their jobs, want to imitate films that made good money instead. If they do stick their necks out on a good story, they want to alter it to fit their (usually) suspect criteria, frequently ruining the story. Much of their criteria is aimed at attracting teenager viewers. But their sophomoric tastes are often intolerable to more mature viewers.

So algorithms that include these executives' questionable criteria are unlikely to produce better stories/scripts. IMO.

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BbBnD's picture

There are many good films made each year, but the vast majority aren’t blockbusters or heavily marketed. Saying there aren’t good films outside of comic book films is lazy. 

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lamplighter's picture

well, hell, that's me then.  Nice call.  UV for you

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So Zach Smith went back into the henhouse and outed Ed Warinner as the big bad wolf. Ed Warinner was always a bad recruiter but the man can coach OL; Zach Smith became a good recruiter but he was a terrible WR coach. Ed Warinner also has a job while Zach Smith will likely never coach again. His halcyon day’s of making $400k are over and breaking coaching’s omerta code by ratting put a colleague virtually guarantee he’ll never coach again. So what’s next? Or maybe more accurately, who’s next? There are only so many guys he can throw under the bus. Where does he go from here? How sustainable is this podcast thing if it’s nothing more than a low grade TMZ tattle teller tell-all?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

GTH endorses this rant.

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I am not very smart, but I recognize that I'm not very smart. --- W.W. Hayes

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blu.fan's picture

Warinner has improved significantly at recruiting, at least for the OL. He's doing a great job of coaching the OL. A passing coordinator or overall OC? That's where I don't think he'll ever really succeed.

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awlinBrutus's picture

If Smith was a bad coach, please explain why the offense looked immediately better in 2017 when Haskins came in the game when Barrett was injured in A2. Then magically zone 6 looks 10 times better in 2018? 

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Dstacify's picture

That's easy, ZS wasn't here in 2018 and Hartline is a far superior WRs Coach to him.

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hetuck's picture

1. Zach Smith brickbats sound like they will be a regular thing. 

2. I don't equate my appendix with intestinal worms. As long as it doesn't cause me agonizing pain, leave it alone. If it stores beneficial bacteria, so much the better. Probiotics work for me. 

3. Oden needs to be on the floor to work with Diallo. 

4. Some European toilets have a shelf. Call it night soil if you want, but don't ask me to collect it. I don't even use malorganite on my lawn. 

5. I read the poop in the dark article and now I'm getting ads for the Toto washlet. We need an article about the demise of the Russian mail order bride business in the Skully. 

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dan_isaacs's picture

Regarding the poop article, if you're using a squatty potty, you don't have time to even load Twitter, letter alone read it.

Dan Isaacs

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McGrind's picture

ZS...will anybody be surprised when a sex tape is "leaked".

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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MichiBuck12's picture

Surprised by a sex tape? No. But will it be Zach with a random woman? Will it be Zach with Courtney? Will it be Courtney with another dude? Will Zach be the one to release it? Will Courtney? Theres so many possibilities.

My guess is Courtney releases a tape of Zach and another woman. Then another tape is released "anonymously" of Zach and Courtney. Which of course Zach will deny, but will use to keep the podcast going for another few weeks after he runs out of people to throw under the bus.

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Ba Ba Boolio's picture

Zach Smith is never ever going to go away.

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mugbucket's picture

Can't say I saw this coming when he first teased this podcast months ago, but I guess I'm now a regular listener.

Nope. No thank you. None please. I'd rather have worms than that.  Hard pass.

Despite the high cost of living, it still remains popular.

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BuckeyeFan150's picture

Per ZS, say what you will, but I'm glad he is shedding light on Ed's coaching woes. God knows this website has gibbered about that MSU game for YEARS, lol. Plus, ZS is the only ex coach who will ever talk on the subject, so I can appreciate him doing that. At the end of the day, it doesn't change anything, but does give closure as to why the best team in college football didn't play for the title that year.

Fields will be a BEAST as this year progresses. I think the first few games will be a challenge, but luckily we have JK and other skill players to pick up his slack. Also, the defense will be a lot better this year. I see Okudah/Arnette and Wade giving WR's fits in coverage.

My main concern is how the new OL plays. The sooner they become a force, the sooner Fields will settle in.

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Zimmy07's picture

If someone can’t read the plays off the play sheet, but they are still good at getting the right play, freaking have them point at the play & have an intern call it in.  That should have happened before the season even started.

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ShawneeBuck74's picture

Zach Smith absolutely LIGHTS UP Michael Drake in the first part of that episode. Says no one wants to work for him & no one likes him or respects him. He says the whole handling of the Urban Meyer situation and the suspension was done the way it was done so Drake could protect his own image. Yikes. 

You win with people. 

And so forth...

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Dstacify's picture

I'm no fan of Michael Drake (what he did to Jon Waters years ago was a horrific act of scapegoating at its finest and I kind of wish Waters would've sued his ass for it) but Zach honestly comes across like he didn't get along with ANY of his co-workers at OSU. Which begs the question why was he hired in the first place and more importantly why did Meyer feel the need to conceal his issues at Florida from Gene when he was hiring him? If you've got this much bad blood with so many people usually that means you're the problem.

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GoBuckeyes1020's picture

Love the irony in the Zach Smith podcast summary and a paragraph or two later we read about the amazing change in the strength of the receivers' room in less than a year.

The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick

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BUCKAROOTIMESTWO's picture

The WR room exhibiting strength wasn’t solely on Hartline leading it; but that’s not popular opinion and doesn’t stick to “the narrative”.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Hey, I never said I thought Zach Smith was a good coach.

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Nothing aimed your way but more at ZS. He blames damn near everyone in the room but in less that a year after losing his job our receivers have become an undeniable strength. Sure, many want to attribute most of that to the change at QB. I am not one of them. Accountability in the receiver room has hit an all time high. Hartline has been a breath of fresh air.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

About to listen to the Smith podcast, at this point it's just curiosity.  But I will say this before listening, most likely there is SOME truth in what he says about Ed.  But I'm willing to bet he doesn't mention how he himself turned the WR room into a complete shit show getting less out of the talent he had.  I'll eat my words if I'm wrong.

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cledaybuck's picture

He says Warinner is the reason Ohio State didn't win a national championship in 2015, calling him "the most incompetent football coach I've ever been around."

Apparently there are no mirrors in the Smith household. 

It's crazy how quickly wide receiver has turned into a position of strength both now and in the future. And that future's only getting brighter (more specifically, it's going to get a hell of a lot brighter in two days).

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Seeing the work Fields and Olave are putting in just continues to excite me for the upcoming season.

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huffdaddy's picture

The Skully is getting better and better and is becoming a daily must read. Kudos to Kevin.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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Meek's picture

It has never stopped being a daily must read.

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stantmann's picture
 
"If you can get it out the sand you can get it anywhere" I say....

"When you're part of a team, you stand up for your teammates. Your loyalty is to them. You protect them through good and bad, because they'd do the same for you." Yogi Berra

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Cooper's picture

If anything, incompetence of coaches should never be a reason why a supremely talented Ohio State team underachieve. Bad luck during a game, unmotivated players losing a trap game, an outstanding performance from the other team, etc. are upsetting but relatively common. But when you can’t even verbalize a play call and no player respects you to the point that the specialists (!!!) are recording your awful speeches, that’s incompetence. And to be honest, Urban needs to be held responsible as well for letting Ed tank that team. Saban would have been done with him after the spring game. That 2015 team deserved better.

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45has2's picture

Win or lose, 95% of the time it is on the coaches. The coaches recruit and provide the depth chart so they are responsible for the talent on the field. The coaches game plan, call plays and decide what schemes to use so they are responsible for strategy. The coaches teach (coach) up the players as to how they are expected to play on the field so if the player is not playing correctly it's on the coaches. Baring injury, in game, or act of God the game result falls on the coaches. 

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GrandTheftHarley's picture

This episode is essentially just Zach Smith taking a gigantic shit on Ed Warinner's lawn and lighting it ablaze, starting at about the 15 minute mark. He says Warinner is the reason Ohio State didn't win a national championship in 2015, calling him "the most incompetent football coach I've ever been around."

Glass houses, Mr. Smith.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Zach Smith living in his glass house throwing his very real stones... Yikes.

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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12egulator's picture

Fun fact; Chris Olave, who is from San Diego County, is working out at Mission Beach in that video, which is the location of the Draft, the bar & grill which hosts San Diego's largest Buckeye game watch parties. 

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Hockey Buck's picture

Glad to finally see some stuff about the 2015 season.  Loved the 2014 season, but all the talk of we knew we were going to win, no doubt, 100% lock to finish and do what we did, . . . All that hindsight disappeared in 2015, which I still think is the best team of this current NCAA Final Four playoff season, sans Clemson this year, but we will see their response.  

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MaineStrength's picture

Re Ed Warriner, he certainly has improved UM's line performance from 2017 under Tim Drevno.  But, Drevno also had productive lines in his previous stops so it's kinda hard to tell who's fault it is.  UM's average rushing yards per game went form 177 yds/game (4.4 yds/carry) in '17 to 203 yds/game (4.8 yds/carry)  in '18.  And, their total offense went up from 348 yds/game in '17 to 419 in '18.  He seems to have been pretty productive as an o-line coach at UM.  Anecdotally, players cited his simplified system was easier to learn than Drevnos.  The general consensus amongst UM folks is he's a good o-line coach, not a good coordinator.  I'm curious what made him a bad o-line coach at OSU as I thought he was regarded as doing a good job with the line, just not with the coordinating.

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CALPOPPY's picture

I'm curious what made him a bad o-line coach at OSU as I thought he was regarded as doing a good job with the line, just not with the coordinating.

That’s also what I understood. And the O-line at OSU was good when he was simply running that unit.

So, it’s hard for me to tell where the truth is here. Zach Smith certainly had a better view than I ever will, but he also could be giving him too much blame as a line coach, even if he’s right about him being an awful coordinator. Sometimes people let the more recent situation effect their views, and I think it’d be possible to be a good O-line coach and a shitty coordinator.

Memento mori

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MaineStrength's picture

I think it’d be possible to be a good O-line coach and a shitty coordinator.

My hot take is as offensive position coaches go, o-line coaches don't make the best coordinators.  I feel like QB coaches tend to fare better.

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Port Richey Buckeye's picture

Mythigan gets our shit coaches while we take their best. Lmao

Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.

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Snake64's picture

I'd slow down there if i was you. Mattison D line is the biggest reason Don Browns man to man scheme got lit up in multiple games last year. In man to man you need your D line to get to the QB or at least bother him. If the D line doesn't get there and the QB has 2-3 seconds at minimum to get the ball out and go through his progressions the secondary will eventually break no matter how fast the players are. It's just the way the rules are written these days for offense vs defense. especially in the passing game. 

Mattison is not a bad coach but his position group is the biggest reason for Michigan defense getting lit up vs ND, OSU, and Florida. You could even point to the PSU game the year before. Games are won and lost typically starting in the trenches. 

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Dstacify's picture

No offense but I think scUM's secondary was the biggest problem last season against OSU. David Long is obviously a good player but there wasn't a whole lot of depth at corner behind him. The worst defender on the field bar none in the Game last year was Brandon Watson hands down, OSU's game plan became very clear after awhile that anytime they threw in Watson's direction it was going to go for a big play (which it did quite often). Can't really pin that on Mattison (though it is true the D-line did underperform in that game and Gary at times looked like he was taking plays off). Mattison has been a pretty strong defensive coordinator throughout his career and he's also not running the defense by himself at OSU, he has a promising young up and comer in Jeff Hafley collaborating with him (and they're reportedly working very well together so far). Mattison's struggles with the D-line at scUM last year very well could've been because he wants to be a defensive coordinator and was overall turned off at simply being a D-line Coach (remember Mattison took a demotion when Harbaugh came on-board at scUM despite his defenses being the only bright spots of the Hoke era). Despite all of that he's still managed to put a fair amount of scUM D-linemen into the NFL (guys like Taco Charlton, Chris Wormley, Maurice Hurst, Ryan Glasgow, Chase Winovich, and Rashan Gary all come to mind here).

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Snake64's picture

You're misunderstanding the point. Whether Mattison was disinterested in coaching a position group or not because of personal feelings reflects on his resume.(everyone on here burned Grinch for being disinterested in his tasks and getting a paycheck because he was unhappy with his role) I think Mattison might be an overall better coordinator than position coach but to say we stole their best coaches when clearly the D line was a weak point from a production standpoint is a little silly. 

And again you can completely pin that on Mattison, he's produced good players but the fact that his line didnt get any penetration and allowed the offense to pick away at Watson just kind of proves my point. A good to great pass rush would have negated that to a smaller degree. 

The secondary being exploited was a problem but it wasn't the cause. The cause of the problem was the lack of D line production and it happened against what i think we can all admit was a rather lackluster year for OSU standards on the O line. OSU itself had the same issues throughout the season with lackluster D line play. The secondary got exposed and had huge chunk plays given up because of it. No secondary in the world can hold up if the QB is given too much time. It starts and ends largely with the trenches. Not saying Mattison isn't a good coach or can't have success as a coordinator but lets slow down with poached the best coaches talk. 

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Snake64's picture

Prior to The Game fans were concerned about OSU offensive line getting thrown around by a good D line from Michigan. Day obviously saw this and game planned for it but the fact the D line practically didn't show up vs OSU ND and Florida is more proof of my opinion. Which is just that an opinion. 

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

Zach Smith, by all accounts, was an extremely shitty coach... not sure if I give any credence to anything this idiot says, and that includes his assessment of anybody else's coaching ability!

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CowCat's picture

With respect to Justin Fields, I hope he continues to work on his accuracy and timing. He was good-but-not-great in the spring game -- but that is to be expected when joining a new team.

As far as Warriner goes ... who cares? He got kicked down the ladder after OSU and now he's working for the team up north. His OLs are no match for LJSR's DLs.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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