Can you paraphrase what was said? I don’t mean copy/paste the article, but at least give a bit more?
And who is JJ McCarthy?
Hello thread -
JJ McCarty is a 5-star QB commit (Wolverines) from LaGrange Park, IL. 6'2", 180lbs.
As for the intangibles? Salty and soon to be bitter(ly disappointed).
Cliffs: He's mad we took a QB earlier than Day said he would.
"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI
Given that he's in the class of 2021, that'd mean he's what, 16 years old? Does anyone expect a 16-year old star QB to maturely handle an interview shortly after/entirely about getting spurned by his dream school?
Day's not in the wrong here, but I don't think McCarthy is either. Way too much vitriol getting thrown at a 16-year-old kid who grew up as a diehard OSU fan and gave an emotional interview. He has a chip on his shoulder, even if Day is the guy who put it there, it doesn't mean McCarthy is an asshole, he's just a 16-year-old who wanted to seem tough in an interview with a national outlet.
If he keeps running his mouth when he gets to Michigan, sure, give him shit for it. But he's a high school sophomore, who among us would have handled that kind of an interview any better at that age?
When I walked in this morning and saw the flag was at half mast I thought, "Alright, another bureaucrat ate it." but then I saw it was Li'l Sebastian. Half mast is too high. Show some damn respect.
Good job pointing out his age Owl, it's easy to think of these recruits as college players. When I was 16 I would have said a lot worse had I been in this situation probably. Luckily i'm pretty unathletic so no one ever cared for my opinions.
I just talked to her last week. She was gonna make a pot for me.
I’m pretty confident that at 16, I still would not have verbalized wanting to kill anyone during an interview.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
"Blood on the field", "Revenge Tour"", "I want to kill them". All the same thing. TTUN talking trash as always. We've all seen how that goes.
"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer
Sorry I couldn't edit it for some reason.
Here's the link; https://www.maizenbrew.com/football/2019/5/22/18635542/5-star-michigan-q...
Weird. You should be able to.
‘You’re either good at football or you’re over here.’
Sounds like someone was over here.
So many questions...
Meh. Another Michigan turd.
I'm here to help.
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If only we had a member named buttwipe.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
Gimme a few minutes...
Cool. Sounds like a petulant 16 year old to me.
Isn't good enough to play here, so he's running his mouth up there. We've seen this movie before.
What makes you assume this seeing as 1) he has yet to play a college snap, and 2) he has an OSU offer?
He has a non-commitable OSU offer, thats what makes me assume it. I could be wrong sure, but he'd be the 1st QB that Harbaugh landed up there who could say it.
Definitely appreciate the insight CTBF and since I absolutely do not know all things (read here as anything) recruiting wise, how do we know that his offer is/was non-committable?
I know from some of the articles here on 11W that 2021 QB is going to be a fork in the road for RJD as a HC. Since McCord and McCarthy were the two names that were the top of the list, it sounds like since McCord pulled the trigger first, McCarthy chose to go the other route and play for Michigan. It will be interesting to see how this plays out as the lead up to the class of 2021 continues and even more so on the field of play. Sounds like an epic battle but 2021 is still a ways out so we'll wait and see how it all shakes out between now and then.
At this time, McCarthy is a higher rated QB than McCord by a couple of percentage points but ratings are a very fluid things and will almost certainly change between now and when they actually enroll. Just on a side note, McCarty is #2 PRO/#1 in IL/#19 nationally while McCord is #8 PRO/#5 in PA/#1113 nationally.
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Definitely appreciate the insight CTBF and since I absolutely do not know all things (read here as anything) recruiting wise, how do we know that his offer is/was non-committable?
Because he says in the article that Day told him he couldn't commit until the end of summer at the earliest.
So you're saying you read the article before you commented, now there's a novel concept Defiance...
Thanks for the clarification, much appreciated!
The article says day wasn't taking a qb until the end of summer, not that he-mccarthy couldn't commit until the end of summer. I wonder if mccarthy tried to commit to osu? If he loved osu like it indicates, it kind of sounds like it. There's no doubt he had a committable offer, as did a couple other qb's, fwiw-nothing now. But he wasn't no.1 on osu's-day's board, so he was told, slow down, not so fast. Just like any other qb who wasn't no.1 would have been told.
McCarthy is higher rated on sites like 247 but McCord was the #1 QB on Ryan Day's board.
The Ohio State staff had told McCarthy they were going to wait until later in the summer to accept a QB then promptly accepted a commitment from McCord shortly after.
It is my understanding that coach Day was blown away by sitting down with McCord and doing some whiteboard work.
Ryan Day could have secured a commitment from either one and he chose McCord. It almost seems McCarthy chose Michigan out of spite after being spurned by Ohio State.
Notre Dame passed on him as well...
It seems like the rankings are going to change on this one. For some reason, colleges are only "in like" with McCarthy despite his very high rating.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
His IQ is raising some flags I think, especially after he committed to ttun...
I too thought that when seeing day chose the lower rated qb. It will be quite interesting to see how the rankings will go over the next two years. One would suspect that day's qb choice might well keep moving up the rankings.
Starting with the rivals 100, things may already be moving in that direction.
ND, like tOSU, got a commit from their #1 target.
It does read that way “that’s when the rivalry started” seems like he wasn’t going to michigan until he couldn’t go to Ohio state.
Great insight and I've seen it said before that Day preferred McCord, but which insider has backed this up? I prefer McCord myself so I'm not disagreeing (nor does my opinion matter), I'm just wondering if maybe McCord wanted to swoop in and take the spot before McCarthy could pull the trigger, with Day just taking the first to do so.
Part of it might be spite, but even before he made his pick, the Buckeyes appeared to be his first choice followed by ND and TTUN. I think that his pick roughly tracks with the Crystal Balls, but it seems like the McCord signing added fuel to his fire.
Thing is, it's not like McCarthy didn't have some bigger and better alternatives to explore than TTUN, from Clemson to Bama and beyond, so revenge does appear to have been a contributing factor.
I think it's safe to assume he was told we werent taking a QB until late in summer and he couldnt commit. That's pretty much the definition of non committable haha.
As far as rankings go, it's obvious Day liked McCord more than McCarthy. He's taller and bigger than McCarthy and is said be have a more fluid motion and has the quick snap on the ball. Not to mention he plays against much better competition. Also Haskins was #7/91... while literally not one of the QB's ranked ahead of him will be drafted better than him. That includes Shea Patterson who was #1 in that class.
It's just funny this is even a topic since it would be a real shock of either of these guys is still committed to either of these schools by 2021
Call me crazy but I don’t think Ohio state is handing out non-commitable offers to a 5-star kid....why fuel the “we didn’t want him anyway” narrative
What reason would Day tell McCarthy we arent accepting commitments at QB on March 23rd until late summer and then accept a commitment a little over a month later? (April 30th). Or is McCarthy lying?
All the qb offers were committable, but when there's only one player being taken at a position, more importantly, there's a pecking order. It's not every year when you offer 3-4 highly sought qb's that a couple want to commit immediately. You have them rated and if you think 1 or 1a will want to commit, you tell no. 3 that we're not taking a qb right now. When no. 1 gets on campus you tell no. 1, you're our guy and you're the one we want to build our team around, but another guy we like wants to commit, do you want to be our qb for this class and start leading and recruiting for us? If he says yes, then the position is settled, at least verbally. Then the chips fall where they may, as they do every year once the top guys find out who's going where. It's like dominoes once one of the studs commit somewhere, it clears up a lot of boards, and teams and players react accordingly.
I'm sure in years past osu could have had #2, 3, or 4, verbally but while slow playing them, waiting for #1 on their board, the players went elsewhere. So it's a double edge sword-it cuts both ways. If you don't show a kid enough love, or won't take their commit, they move along.
"all the qb offers were committable"
as you explain why the offer wasnt committable LOL!.
His offer was obviously not commitable and you literally just explained why. We had other guys higher on our list so he was told we're "making sure" we have our guys in order.
He is a five star that was told by Day to hold off and then osu took a four star commit. Something tells me this kid was a back up option in case Day didn’t get the qb he wanted but thats just me.
UMMM CT, he IS good enough play here. Don't kid yourself. Day just chose our commit over him.
If that were a certainty he would have been either allowed to commit or he wouldn't have committed to an inferior program. We had no QB commits in his class when he was told he couldn't.
The problem with what you're saying is there is NO way of knowing whether that is true at this point. The bottom line is, he is currently rated higher than our current QB commit, he had an OSU offer(meaning we thought he was good enough to play here), and he committed to an elite school(yes, UM is still considered an elite school in the CFB landscape). If the situation was flip flopped, you wouldn't be making statements like this.
Why is UM an elite school in the CFB landscape?
Bottom line is Ryan Day wouldn't let him commit to OSU, if he were deemed good enough to start here why wouldn't he given we had no QB commit at the time? He was a fall back, rankings be damned.
Not sure what you mean about the situation being flip flopped. If we took a commit from someone they turned away, I'd be SMH if he started running his mouth.
We don't know if anything is true, and considering how the QB position "commits" in recent years, it's more likely than not both UM and OSU have two completely different guys for 2021
There is no doubt that's 100% true. When you offer 4 top qb's you don't know who's going to want to commit. You're not going to take the first one to commit unless he's the highest one on your board.
I think ct is confused about what committable means. He feels 100% under any circumstance, is the only committable offer. It doesn't work that way, especially at a position that they are only taking one commit. You have to offer multiple committable offers to all positions, but you're going to take the best players at those positions first. But to say the other offers aren't committable is just ridiculous.
I doubt clemson alabama georgia, are telling their recruits, you're no. 4 on our board, if 1-3 go elsewhere, you have a 100% committable offer. But don't commit to anyone else in the mean time, ya hear?
Commitable means if you want in, they're accepting you. He couldn't do that, so his offer isn't commitable. It could become commitable at a later date, but I seriously doubt that happens.
If it's not committable it's not an offer. It's just a "hey you're on our radar"
Remember the Shane Morris threats of what would happen to OSU when he would play them and the other lineman that said there would be blood on the field? I cannot remember her name. How'd that turn out?
Or the other OL that burned the OSU letter on FB Live? Call me when one of the idiots up there actually backs up their mouth.
He had his period during the osu game, for 5 straight years. So even if it was his blood, he was technically right. I read later, he just couldn't get that block O out of his panties. So he gave them back to his mom.
Kyle Kalis. And not well for Kyle and Shane.
Shane Morris's own head coach ended up trying to kill him. Then Harbaugh came along and buried him so far down the depth chart that he took his butthurt ass to a MAC school in retaliation. JJ McCarthy would do well to tone down the trash talk until he's actually accomplished something. Otherwise he'll turn into the second coming of Shane Morris.
He maybe shouldn't have said anything, but a state title is nothing to sneeze at. Unless you got pepper up your nose.
He's accomplished nothing at the college level yet. I wouldn't be shocked if the OSU players don't give a rat's ass about his comments and if they do they're probably laughing at the soon to be 2021 frosh flexing his muscles. Shane Morris was an excellent player in HS too and how did that work out in college for him? And no, September Heisman candidate doesn't count as an accomplishment lol.
I don't know why you keep moving the finish line, but I don't know of any high school soph, that's accomplished anything in college. He's a fine player in his own right. I can't imagine any scenario that what he says today would effect his college career. Even if a qb is the most important player on the field, 21 other players have more to do with whether he wins or not.
My point is until he proves himself to be a quality college QB he should shut the hell up and let his play do all the talking. If he wants to put on his best Baker Mayfield impression prior to having played a down in college that's his prerogative but all that's going to do at this point is give OSU bulletin board material to destroy him down the road (see last year after Karan Higdon foolishly thought guaranteeing victory at the Shoe was a good idea). I look at these comments and think we dodged a bullet in choosing McCord over him tbh.
To be fair, Karen was kind of tricked into his "guarantee" by a reporter and it was pretty clear he regretted it as it was coming out of his mouth. Which made it even better in some ways
Jack sawyer will be chiming in soon I imagine.
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OH yeah, can't wait. Love that guy already!
Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....
Hopefully just "lol" again
I love this attitude from Michigan guys. Because they always end up eating dirt.
To give anything less than your best is to sacrifice the gift.
Until like a month ago, McCarthy was an OSU guy, though. Born and raised as a huge Buckeye fan, per that story.
I don't fault Day for taking McCord or McCarthy for feeling lied to. I do feel a bit weird about a reporter talking to McCarthy (who is a high school sophomore!) right after that and somewhat stoking the flames. He didn't have to lean that hard into those quotes, and by doing so he put a huge target on McCarthy's back. Now his social media mentions will be filled with bullshit coming from the worst parts of our fan base.
Coaches slow play recruits all the time when they are interested in them as back up plans, but don't have them as high as someone else on their board who hasn't decided yet and they don't have room for both. Recruiting is kinda like dating. You think this other girl is hotter, but you're not sure if she's interested yet, even though you think she might be. So, you don't want to upset the girl you know that likes you because she's still cute too, just not as hot as the other girl. This is an unfortunate reality of recruiting. I'm sure JJ's feelings were hurt mostly by the fact OSU's staff had McCord higher on their board than McCarthy than whether or not Day was transparent about it. Such is life. Both are great recruits going to good programs and will have their opportunities.
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Recruiting is kinda like dating. You think this other girl is hotter, but you're not sure if she's interested yet, even though you think she might be. So, you don't want to upset the girl you know that likes you because she's still cute too, just not as hot as the other girl.
GR8 analogy MS, that is pretty accurate and one of the reasons recruiting is such a PITA!!
Thankfully da'grinder wasn't limited to 85 scholly's...
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Neither was CalPoppy but I still only was able to get walk-ons...
Preferred Walk Ons or try out type walk ons?
At least with walk ins you can rest peacefully knowing they aren't fooling around in a transfer portal.
Is the analogy dead yet?
At least with walk ins you can rest peacefully knowing they aren't fooling around in a transfer portal.
They didn’t have Tinder the transfer portal when I was dating.
Another UM kid who expects things to be handed to them - this is simply butthurtedness as Day hand picked McCord over him.
Hopefully Zach Harrison, Noah Potter, and Jack Sawyer are all taking turns planting this kid so far in the ground on the field that he starts growing roots in a few years' time.
Shit happens, bum juice.
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever.
I imagine next he’ll lie and say he’s received death threats...
or he was beat up by a couple of personal trainers wearing Ohio State gear and chanting homophobic slurs at him...
calm down jussie smollett
"I feel ready for whatever awaits me on the other side. I don’t fear adversity. I don’t fear the spotlight. I don’t fear success. And I don’t fear failure." - Braxton Miller
And then after he gets beat up, we'll send a university doctor to treat him.
Sorry. Couldn't resist. Too early?
Damn it feels good to be a Buckeye
These guys, coaches, are ALL liars and scoundrels to varying degrees. They're cutthroat assassins, and the ones who are the most ruthless are the ones who are the biggest winners. You can either have a nice guy in charge, like Mark Richt, for eg., who wins 8-10 games a year and has the team in the conference title race half the time, or you can have a son of a bitch who cooly looks a JJ McCarthy in the face and flat out lies to him because the coach believes, for whatever reason, that the lie best serves the program. I'm not a hypocrite, so I'm good with Day stretching the truth, or flat out lying and manipulating, as long as he wins lots of games and titles... and the minute he fails to do so will be time for him to move on. One last thing... if McCarthy believes that Harbaugh is above the deceit, well, the kid's fooling himself.
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if McCarthy believes that Harbaugh is above the deceit
I love her as much as McCarthy says he hates us.
Based on the way I've seen Mark Richt snap at reporters I don't think he's much of a nice guy either.
I think recruiting is nuanced, and people hear what they want. Teams can take one QB. They aren't going to tell their second and third choices, hey guys, we don't deeply want you. So they go with "We are waiting until summer" or whatever.
Given that our top commits the last 3 cycles all didn't wind up playing QB at OSU, it's a two way street in these games.
Exactly. QB is a completely different position than any other-sharing time is bad, bad, bad. I don't blame mcCarthy, but at teh same time, Coach Day just gave him a real intro into the adult world-if he wanted the first shot at a tOSU offer, he should have impressed the staff more than McCord
FWIW, this kind of thing was far more common in Woody and Earle's day than it is now-most recruits don't come down to tOSU and scUM-tOSU has lapped scUM in recruiting for the most part.
Are you saying jj should talk to the kids that harball recruited over, that he no longer honored their committment? That doesn't happen in football.
This was exactly my thought. Harbaugh is notorious for cutting off communication with a kid he no longer wants. And he'll do that after he accepts the commitment.
So you're telling me I should call the other Honda dealership to let them know we bought a Pilot at their competitor?
Funny. To clarify I wasnt justifying Harbaugh ghosting a kid but knocking myself for not following up with the saleswoman after we went with another dealer.
Now we can go on family road trips together.
Why would I be weeping? He's a pocket QB, small 6'2 180 and has no wheels at all.... and just like McCaffery before him... when your top pro style schools aren't offering you I don't care how many stars you have... it's worrisome..
and how exactly did Coach Day ( or any Coach for that matter in the same position) lie to this kid? He said right now we aren't planning on taking a 2021 QB until the summer..
It's entirely freaking possible Kyle McCord said he wasn't going to commit until the summer or later and changed his mind at the end of April.. When he had his official visit he specifically said OSU wanted to see him again in June.. college recruiting is always a fluid situation.
This kid should be thinking about his best interests, not getting back at Ohio State. He clearly picked Michigan because OSU rejected him.
when your top pro style schools aren't offering you I don't care how many stars you have... it's worrisome..
Exactly, it is worrying. McCarthy doesn't have major offers. No ND, OK, CLEM, ALA, or UGA. No one is knocking down his door with prime offers, so he just committed out of spite. Not his best move. If he can't commit to OSU, he should take his time and find the right fit instead of trying to spite OSU.
It's exactly like Greg Mattison. He wanted the DC gig at Michigan, but Harbaugh clearly said "you're not good enough to be DC here." No one was knocking down his door to be DC at major programs, so he jumped at a co-DC position and he took it out of spite. Not his best move. He should have taken his time and waited for a real DC position, but he acted like JJ McCarthy.
That’s a tough dig at Mattison. I doubt he took the job out of spite. He took it because it paid a lot more money.
was he a good hire? Time will tell.
The kid certainly sounds and looks to be petulant about this situation.
But i wouldn't get too into the comparisons of McCord and McCarthy offer sheets as a diss of the kid. He holds 36 offers as of now that include Texas, ND, LSU, Texas A&M, OSU, PSU, MSU, Oklahoma State(Yurcich ex school) and Miami to name a few as compared to McCord holding 16 offers that includes at best OSU, Michigan, PSU, and then falls off quickly to WVU, North Carolina, and Pitt. Neither QB seems to have offers from any other elite top level schools this early in the recruiting cycle. This is all according to Rivals so i could be missing some.
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I can't dislike this. I liked it when the Iowa kid did it, I like it now. We're Ohio Damned State. We are always going to get everyone's best shot, always. Then stuff like this happens and we act shocked?
Welcome it. Embrace it. It makes the eventual beatdowns this kid will receive that much sweeter. Bring some fire to the rivalry. Lord knows the on-field play hasn't done that in the last 20 years. We've also seen this movie before. He'll talk, M fans go bonkers and love it, he'll have some good success slaying bums and MSU, he'll come to the shoe, he'll get his teeth kicked in. He'll swear revenge the next year, they'll play in Ann Arbor, they'll get their teeth kicked in. Next year they'll SHOCK THE WORLD, they'll get their teeth kicked in. Next year THE NORTH REMEMBERS, they'll get their teeth kicked in.
Been there, done that, seen it. Revenge tours, the north remembering, shocking the world. You know what the end result is?
No teeth. For anyone. Because they've all been kicked in.
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Is he related to Kyle Kalis?
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"It was either you’re good at football or you’re over here. That’s what I felt.”
so he was one of those "over here" players.
literally was about to just post the same thing.
I'd be bitter to if Day passed on me and now I'm stuck playing for a piss poor Mythigan coach who eats his boogers and every qb he gets regresses! Enjoy Shitigan biotch.
Fuck eSECpn and fuck Mythigan.
You have to feel a little bit sorry for the kid. He was dreaming of playing for a Natty, and now has to reconcile himself to the Outback Bowl.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Hey, Jim hairball might ACTUALLY take him to the outback. They do go on lots of fancy trips that remind them they're not really a football school.
"No we don't give a da*n 'Bout the whole state of *ichigan"
Sources say Day refused to match Hairballs sleepover. Enjoy your creepy, tree climbing, go cart riding dumbass coach kid.
Calling a 17 year old kid a "biotch" because he's going to UM? What a great look for our fanbase!
Calling a 17 year old kid a "biotch" because he's going to UM?
Not out of line. Rumor is that ESPN is paying him to say all this negative stuff about OSU.
Just keep winning!
Rumor is that ESPN is paying him to say all this negative stuff about OSU.
And where do you think ESPN got the money? Bagmen. Bagmen from? The S... E... Ceeeeeee.
ESECPN at it again! Conspiracy proven; mind blown.
I'm sure they are, it's the only logical conclusion.
piss poor Mythigan coach who eats his boogers
Hey, no matter where he ended up, he'd be playing under a coach who picks his nose.
I had a picture of J. McCarthy on my wall growing up.
Hart, Kalis, Sugar Shane, Peppers, Winovich, and now this kid. Does scUM actively recruit players with inflated ego's?
Hindsight is, and in, 2020
Something something blood on the field.
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So after looking at his, McCord's and Miller's films. 3things I noticed. McCarthy looks really slight compared to the other, and his receivers were usually way more open and while very accurate he also tended to look for one receiver and didn't always keep his head down field while scrambling, though he did a nice job on some plays. He also looks at one receiver, which is fairly common for underclassmen starters. Miller has a more prototypical size, best speed of all three, and is a risk taker if need be. McCord, wow can't believe the kid is a sophomore. Clearly plays against good competition as he doesn't often have open guys. Also his field vision is outstanding for soph highlights, frequently checking down multiple times. I could really see Miller/McCord being very similar to Brady/Henson at Michigan. Where Miller is too good to give up his starting job, but McCord flashes brilliance in his limited time. I think McCarthy can be good. But until I see one of Jimbo's QB recruits develop, I will hold judgement. Additionally McCord attends St. Joseph's which is the #1 ranked Catholic high school in Pennsylvania and have a 100% college acceptance rate. Having worked in lesser Catholic schools I know how hard these kids compete even in the classroom on a daily basis. All three are impressive but I'm definitely cool with the two we have
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I think this take is exactly correct. As I've elaborated on previously in other threads, McCarthy is underweight in addition to not exactly being able to run - not a good combo. His highlight is fun to watch, but he's playing against not so great competition while McCord is playing against the best prep schools at least on the east coast if not the whole country. McCord can't run either, but he's bigger and stronger and has done it against better competition. McCord also has the intangibles with leadership, knowing the playbook, and understanding offensive concepts already at a young age. We'll see whos better out on the field on Saturday's, but I trust and agree with Day here.
Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
Why do *ichigan players talk so much and can't produce on the field......based on JJ's mouth it looks like it starts with the recruits they bring in.....
Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.
The smallest dog always yaps the loudest.
That's their culture. Their only claim to fame (most all time wins) is based on a fabrication against high schools in the late 1800s. They live back there. Buckeyes appreciate the past but focus on what is ahead.
Bears...Buckeyes... Battlestar Galactica.
Someones butthurt Day hand picked McCord over him! Kid wanted to be a Buckeye badly just last month.
I agree. People are over complicating this. The staff makes a list of their top guys and as long as their #1 guy is still in play, they won't accept a commitment from another player until the player at #1 commits somewhere. So technically what Day is saying that they aren't accepting commitments until the #1 player at that position decides on his school. If McCord had gone somewhere else, or McCarthy was #1 on the board, they would have taken his commitment.
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Step 1: Get humbled.
Step 2: Talk a big game about redemption, how it's a fluke, how we are on a turn around and how our wins in the 1800's matter.
Step 3: Get embarrassed when it counts on National TV.
Step 4: Go back to Step 1 and repeat.
What is this you ask? The process that happens every time someone in Maize and Blue opens their mouth. White noise.
Guess Day should have told him you are low on our list and you should be looking at other schools to go to.
But why burn your bridges by doing that.
Does he mean kill, like, 62-39 kill. If so, he means business.
This pretty much solidifies that he was at minimum behind McCord on our board. Maybe even further down.
Another site indicated that he was at best 3rd on osu's board, they thought mayes has equal upside to mccord but is a nc legacy and thought clemson would go after him hard as well. So take the guy you like as well as anyone, and he just happens to have an nfl legacy teammate as well. Now he can get to recruiting, in his class as well as others, and his favorite receiver.
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I'm not even sure if McCord was our #1, but I think he was definitely #2. I believe that we had Garcia above him, but it was unlikely to pull him from the west coast. I'm more than happy with McCord, he's gonna ball out when Jack Miller is headed to the NFL!
Poor kid will have to sit on the bench for three years while Fields bags his second natty followed by two from Miller. I tell ya', it's tough being a Buckeye QB these days, at least until the NFL draft rolls around.
If Fields and Miller are as advertised, McCord should only have to sit two years:
2019 - SO Fields
2020 - JR Fields (declares for NFL), FR Miller
2021 - SO Miller, FR McCord
2022 - JR Miller (declares for NFL), SO McCord
2023 - JR McCord
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
It wasn’t a lie, it was a mirage.
Ryan Day already crushing his tender soul even before his first loss to the buckeyes. That's how its done boys. Hahah
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I loved this kid in Weekend At Bernie’s
Sounds like he wanted to be a Buckeye and was told to hold off.
I'm guessing McCarthy's telling the truth, and I can see why he'd be miffed, but I'm also guessing Day didn't quite lie, case closed. In other words, I'm guessing Day probably did tell him he wouldn't take a QB until the end of summer, but I'm also guessing he tossed in some qualifying words and phrases, i.e., contingencies, that McCarthy either wasn't hearing or isn't sharing.
Besides, at least his hate is coming from a good place--the guy clearly wanted to come to Ohio State, and who can blame him for that? His contempt is a virtual admission that the better program passed on him, and that's gotta hurt.
At the same time, I'd also be lying if I didn't admit to thinking that McCarthy has looked like the best QB recruit on tape, at least to me, especially his mid-range and long ball. In fact, I've never seen a high school kid throw a better long ball, and IMHO, I think this kid is clearly better than any QB TTUN has signed in a decade or two.
If he's as good as he looks, he just might keep TTUN within two scores or so, and as a result, save Harbaugh's job going into the 2025 season.
Meanwhile, McCord looks great to me, too, and it seems clear that Day had him pegged as the #1 guy on his board. It also sounds like no small part of Day's assessment was McCord's understanding of the game. Plus, I'm sure it doesn't hurt that signing McCord sooner than later might help with likewise signing his star teammate in a package deal that McCarthy couldn't match.
Still, none of that makes McCarthy a dummy or a bad kid, much less a crappy QB--it's Harbaugh's job to make that happen. Suffice it to say that signing with TTUN is enough to seal the deal on being a bad guy.
As for him saying that he now hates OSU, well, that comes with the territory, right?
In fact, I'm thinkin' people should get used to it. As I've written elsewhere, I think we're going to see some epic QBB battles circa 2023, when McCord and McCarthy face off with McDonald's sponsoring The Game as "The Battle of the McQBs," followed by the introduction of some sort of gross hamburger featuring scarlet-colored beef melted with maize-colored cheese.
Anyway, I'll spit out my cuss words at McCarthy when the time comes, but for now, given that more than half of the college QBs that committed to schools 4 years ago have since transferred elsewhere with more than a few of them switching to rival teams, I'm inclined to give a recently-jilted 17-year old teenager a break combined with little advice: "watch who you hate, kid."
After all, it was only two years ago in this very forum where some folks were more than a little snide when a guy named "Justin Fields" passed on the Buckeyes and instead committed to a big pile of Bullsh... er, Bulldogs. Granted, Fields didn't make any "hate" statements, but, hey--it's not where you start that matters most; it's where you end up.
For now, McCarthy just wound up in college football Hell, so, geez... have a little sympathy, at least until he's wearing a cheesy maize outfit.
I don't know why osu fans would have been mad jf committed to ga.. He was committed to psu, not osu!
You may well see the best qb recruit at um in 2 decades, but...1. he ain't there yet, and 2. don't sleep on Mccaffery sp?, if he's Anything like his brother he's a hell of an athlete. What people say on a forum is worthless, but up there, they're saying he's their next qb.
I don't get where contempt is relative to which program is better, wouldn't it be relative to which school he liked first and that he won't be able to go there?
Heck, in two years we just might be picking him up out of the Transfer Portal.
Send the Earth Reverberating
In 2 years he will be just arriving at Michigan, if he sticks.
Play for Ohio State or lose to Ohio State. It's just that simple.
He got hurt and decided to lash out. Totally understandable. I wouldn’t even put this in Kyle Kalis territory.