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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Our penalty problem has been one of the biggest head-scratching things to me. Not sure if it was Urban's refusal to teach discipline, incompetent/inexperienced officiating, the NCAA forcing officials to call everything to crack down on concussions, or officials just having it in for OSU. It seemed whenever we have guys get ejected for targeting it's a bullshit call (see Denzel Ward 2017 and Jordan Fuller vs. Nebraska) but the opposition gets away with it (Winowich's hit on Haskins).

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JoeyD's picture

Also Joey Bosa in the fiesta bowl 15. As far as this year, it just seemed like soooo many false starts. Prince had like 3 a game. and Defensive PI. 

Yuh

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Steelydan54's picture

That (Bosa) targeting was totally justified and I believe, deliberate, to get out of the final game after a 'cameo appearance' without injury while still showing up and playing. 

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HYI3RID's picture

Sarcasm? Please tell me this is sarcasm.

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xrox's picture

I think the reception on his tinfoil hat is off. My hat is telling me this is a thread on referee conspiracies, not player conspiracies!

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CincyBuck's picture

I'd have to watch it again.  But I do recall thinking that, by the letter of the rule, the call was legit.  Then promptly remembering what a dumb rule targeting is (was?  aren't they rewriting it?)

Though the conspiracy about it being intentional is speculation lacking any factual support whatsoever.

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tGW's picture

Who the he// ate the last of the Fruit Loops!

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Extramedium's picture

It was a correct call according to the rule as written.  What I didn’t understand is why that call negated the interception that also happened on that play that had absolutely nothing to do with his hit

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Deadly Nuts's picture

Yes, the best way to avoid injury in a bowl game is to helmet-spear the opposing quarterback.

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brutus0717's picture

My belief is the Fiesta Bowl call against a Bosa was legit. The call against a Bosa in the Iowa game was absurd. Joey took at least two steps towards the ND QB to attempt to hit him after the ball was released (although the lack of violence of the hit made me question the ejection). Nick simply was trying to block the throw and his facemask happened to graze the Iowa QB's helmet (which the Iowa QB said he didn't even feel afterwards).

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PRO8's picture

Not to justify bad calls or no calls I would like to know what the Buckeye D pass int calls look like compared to others . I think we had a lot and to be honest it seemed like most were justified if you looked at them by the rule book. Just wondering if the total PI's on D were a big part of the total.

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Agreed. I think the only PI I got truly disgusted over was the end zone one against TTUN where the ball was about 3 yards above the receiver's hands on a 3rd down. That ref was nowhere near the stadium on that call.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

There was also the call in the game where our guy was flagged for PI, when he was actually being held by the weasel receiver.  

edit: while we're on the subject of bad calls in that game, don't forget the one where their receiver caught the ball, took a couple steps, coughed up the ball on the hit, which was scooped up by us and headed for the end zone.  The play was whistled dead, but should have been ruled a fumble which would have resulted in a TD.

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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Extramedium's picture

Let’s not forget the extra yard or three they got on multiple frequent spots throughout the game

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Silver Sniper's picture

Even TUN was admitting the horrible reffing when I read MGO to drink their tears after the game. They couldn’t believe the things they were getting away with and were full on admitting it.

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BuckNut_1974's picture

I think the historically bad defense and penalties are a result of the same thing. A overly complicated scheme and the players thinking way to much instead of just playing fast.

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Colortv1967's picture

Cry, cry, cry. The reason for a season full of penalties is not being disciplined. 

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esap153's picture

Let's not forget the Purdue game where Purdue recovers a punt and is gifted like a crucial 5-10 yards where the refs placed it despite clear video evidence, and even though Urban could've challenged the spot, he DIDN'T. I thought that was a big momentum shift in Purdue's favor...

Yeah there's too many questionable penalties this past season for conspiracy to be ruled out IMO...

That said, our defense, particularly the back 7, was atrocious, and a lot of penalties were clear penalties against Ohio State, probably the least disciplined team I've seen from the Buckeyes

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LouBuck35's picture

I know that it (probably) isn't the case, but I always feel we get penalized also because we have more talent on the field.  I mean, how many times have you screamed "HOLDINGGGGGG" at the TV as one of our DEs goes screaming by a tackle and gets groped.  I'm fairly certain I do it multiple times a game.  It's so obvious on the broadcast, that I don't know how it's missed on the field mere feet away. 

We definitely played undisciplined at times and earned a lot of the penalties assessed, but something does need to change.  I feel its more incompetence than chicanery, but if it doesn't get better, a call or an ejection is going to legitimately cost someone a shot at a B1G Championship or a playoff berth.

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TheCurtain_Guy's picture

I really, truly wish I could like this more than once... I'm not sure why officials feel the need to allow dudes who are just fat versions of their fans tackle our DEs because they are simply incapable of blocking them. The same happened in last year's B1G Championship game against Wisconsin. We consistently recruit the best defensive lineman in the country, who are then coached by one of, if not THE greatest D-Line coach in the game... it's not a stretch to say that we really are better than the pedestrian offensive lines the B1G conference has to offer. 

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BbBnD's picture

This is exactly how Bosa got hurt. He was blatantly tackled by an O-lineman and they didn’t even call a hold. 

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Silver Sniper's picture

U r correct. Bosa was rounding the corner while being pulled down and it tore his muscle. 

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luckynutz's picture

Bosa was being held on the play he hurt himself on against TCU. Bigger than shit he was. Which is part of why he got hurt to begin with.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

Denzel Ward! You got barbecue back there, and you didn’t invite me? HURT MY FEELINGS!”

Wrong season, I know, but one of the worst calls I’ve seen. 

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Sanantonefan's picture

One of my favorite calls ever!

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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Extramedium's picture

Worst call by a ref (and replay) excellent call by Gus

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Sanantonefan's picture

Yeah, guess i could have clarified a bit. One of my favorite calls by Gus!

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hetuck's picture

More penalty yards in a season when they cleaned up kickoffs out of bounds. 

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Scuba_Steve's picture

Similar to what LouBuck said, I often think the "conspiracy" is not giving the more talented team (nearly always Ohio State) any benefits of the doubt.  That feels like a consistent issue with refereeing.  Said another way, "will Ohio State really miss Jordan Fuller?  Probably not, so let's call it targeting."  It might sound crazy, but that's how I think about the discrepancies in calls we get & don't get.

Now, does that hold water when looking at Alabama & Clemson?  I don't know that and haven't looked into where they rank over the last 3-5 years on penalties.  But the 90's Florida State team come mind when thinking about the combination of lack of discipline & terrible officiating.

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Silver Sniper's picture

This is unverified but I believe I read that during a two or three year span under Tressel, OSU’s opponents were the least penalized in the nation. So, that would mean year after year either every team OSU played was super-disciplined, or there was a pattern of swallowing the whistle. Either way, it’s too consistent to be a coincidence. 

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CLEbuckNUT's picture

Great piece. Big ten officials are absolutely terrible.

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You can't spell chump without UM's picture

Put a tinfoil hat on me, but I swear the B1G refs are told to be more strict with their calls against the better teams. It's proven they want parity within the conference, hence why the Bucks always play at night whenever they're on the road. So to keep games a little closer, the underdog teams get the benefit of the doubt from the zebras.
Compare that to the SEC, where their focus is on Bama, and Bama alone. When was the last time, if ever, a Bama player got called for targeting?

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Buckabroad's picture

No tin foil hat imo, just a valid observation. I am still wondering why the officials in the TTUN game are not in jail yet. I assume the police are still invesrigating. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Problem with parity is that it does not get you a seat in the CFP.  But if the Big Ten can continue to make the kind of money it does without a regular CFP participant then guessing that is not a priority for the conference. Revenue is king, not winning championships.

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ScarletGray43157's picture

 Revenue is king, not winning championships.

#FollowTheMoney 

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

“Revenue is king, not winning championships” this is the realization that I came to last season with Delaney. I like what he’s done with the conference generally speaking but I don’t think he cares about national championships. If they happen, great. But ultimately it comes down to the bottom line. He has taken it on the chin gracefully the last two seasons and this is a business where the nice guy always finishes last. Even if he believed osu should not be in the playoff, at least put up some sort of fight. As long as the B1G is revenue king there is no initiative to do anything better.

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cledaybuck's picture

 It's proven they want parity within the conference, hence why the Bucks always play at night whenever they're on the road.

That's not the reason.

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Extramedium's picture

They play at night (prime time) for ratings. What does it have to do with parity?

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cledaybuck's picture

Nothing.  OSU is the biggest home game on every team's schedule.  Those teams want the game to be as high profile as possible.  It's that simple.

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Tulsinator's picture

As much as the judgement calls such as holding and PI hurt, the penalties before the snap are killers. The false starts in particular are just frustrating. Prince definitely got better every year in protection, but won't be missing the "prior to the snap... #59 on the offense" dialogue on my tv.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Reminds me exactly of the prior to the snap... #76 Shugarts  UHG!!! Got me so pissed

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LeftCoastBuckeye's picture

Can't forget Alex Boone either.  

My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom.   - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)

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PRO8's picture

At the time IIRC the nickname became JB "Two Step " Shugarts 

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luckynutz's picture

Didn't they change the penalty to Shugarts? Before the snap, Shugarts on the offense...

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brutus0717's picture

They drive me crazy also, but remember, they're only 5 yard penalties and a small percentage of the total. 

"We gotta go win this next game and make the State of Ohio proud!"-UFM

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216ToThe614's picture

there was no helmet-to-helmet contact.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you there. It's pretty obvious that there was helmet to helmet contact and Joey Bosa was tossed for much less in the Fiesta Bowl. Plus, it's not even about the helmet hitting his helmet necessarily - just that he went above the shoulders at all, especially on a play in which Haskins gave himself up. It reminded me strongly of this play. Beautiful write up though, officiating has been horrible and I have never seen a worse officiated game in my life than The Game this past season. Imagine - a fan of the victorious side (by blowout proportions) is still bitterly complaining about officiating in late MAY.

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CincyBuck's picture

Disagree that it's obvious there was helmet-to-helmet contact.  If anything, I think the video suggest there was not.  Though it's pretty tough to tell.

That said, I agree with your point that it doesn't matter.  Haskins gave himself up.  Unless there's been a significant rule change without me noticing, you can't hit him.  You can't convince me that player makes even an iota of an effort to avoid doing so. 

I'm fine with no targeting penalty.  Still should've been one for unnecessary roughness.  Calling a penalty on Meyer was really the ultimate cherry on top of the shit sundae that the refs served us on that play. 

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WVBuckeye's picture

There was definitely helmet to helmet contact. I actually have a picture saved from November that shows helmet to helmet contact without a doubt. I would post it here, but to be honest I’m too stupid to know how to imbed a picture on here lol.

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

Thanks for the chuckle (seriously that was a funny comment). Check this link if you want to learn how to post a video or picture. 

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I don't think it was helmet-to-helmet contact but it certainly should have been an unnecessary roughness penalty against TTUN. The QB gave himself up and the defender had time to pull up and avoid a hit. 

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Dmac3212's picture

I can live with some penalties. But I cannot live with pre snap penalties.

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Ethos's picture

I know one of the problems they have is hiring.  They can't get enough talented ref's to get into jobs where they get threatened by fan bases and screamed at all game.  They also don't pay enough for that to be worth it to someone. 

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Extramedium's picture

Exactly.  With all the money the NCAA generates, especially with football, they should pay refs well as full time employees that can be trained all offseason,  and be held accountable  for consistent  bad calls just like employees.  It’s ridiculous 

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acBuckeye's picture

The 2018 Buckeyes were 100% the dumbest Buckeye team I've ever seen in my 25 years of following the program. But that hit on Haskins was absolutely helmet to helmet. You can see Haskins' head snap sideways at contact. Not to mention there's the issue of him giving himself up. I know it was milliseconds, but a Buckeye defender gets tossed on that play guaranteed.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

a Buckeye defender gets tossed on that play guaranteed

A Buckeye defender would be behind bars and charged with assault

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

What's not called on the other guy can be as damaging as what is called on our side. Northwestern got away with a screamingly obvious downfield hold on their long TD run in the Big Ten title game

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Defiance's picture

Do you like Holy Shit statistics? Here's one - Ohio State had more penalty yards in 2018 than either Mike Weber or JK Dobbins had rushing yards.

 

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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gobucks96's picture

Where the hell did you find that one?!

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Defiance's picture

Alfred had it stashed away in the Bat Cave...

Holy Buckeye, looks like even Batman didn't know it was there?!?

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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AngryWoody's picture

Does anyone else notice Urban's disciples Fickell and Herman are on this list also? Could it be a philosophy thing?

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PhillyNut's picture

Fickell is far more a Trressel disciple than a Meyer one but I noticed that as well.

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Larryp713's picture

I wonder if that highly competitive philosophy and the go as hard as you can for 5-7 seconds leads to more penalties? Obviously, you can crush at the point of attack, but it obviously opens you up to mistakes. Is it worth it? I think it usually is.

Respectfully,

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rkylet83's picture

I’ll go to my grave believing that the B1G officials were doing everything in their power to keep Michigan in that game in 2018 and get them to Indy.  Despite all of that our boys pulled it off!  

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Defiance's picture

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I’ll go to my grave believing that the B1G officials were doing everything in their power to keep Michigan in that game

They could have had Count von Count on the field counting defenders and they still wouldn't have thrown that flag

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Nutinpa's picture

As far as disciplined play is concerned, we'll know more answers after this season is over to better compare Meyer's teams to Ryan Day's first one. I don't believe refs are "told" to more strictly penalize the team with better talent.  If that is true, then I'd love to see the stats for Alabama and Clemson as someone posted earlier. My gut instinct is the 'better team" conspiracy will be squashed quickly.  Otherwise, Jim Delaney can earn his millions and explain this shit. 

I stated it this year and was shouted down, so I'll say it again, because, well, channeling my inner dude...."it's just my opinion, man", but:

I think we underestimated all year long the level of animosity toward Urban Meyer, and by extension, the OSU program stemming from the Zach Smith mess and Meyer's  commentary to the media in which he couldn't stop stepping on his dick. I think there was an understated -- or unstated conspiracy in the minds of many to get even without being completely overt or obvious about it. To be clear, the majority of the calls against the Buckeyes were justified -- until in some games, when the leads got large, so did the pile of laundry on the field just to fuck with Meyer. 

Net/net.....there is no doubt that much of the absurd level of penalties the Buckeyes brought on themselves.  I will always believe, however, the remaining percentage, no matter what that percentage might have been, was brought on by its coach back in August. 

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RodVedder4's picture

Thank you for this piece.  So many people scream about the B1G officials being the absolute worst (in football AND basketball - yikes) and are called conspiracy theorists, whiners, what have you.  I don't think it's a coincidence at all that the games not officiated by the B1G were our lowest penalized games.

I'd forgotten about a couple of the calls you mentioned above, and can't believe how horrible they were. Not to mention, I can't remember a deep pass that fell incomplete against our defense this past year that didn't draw a flag. I swear, our guys farted in the general area of a receiver and got called for PI - probably half the time, there wasn't even any contact, or there was contact from the offensive player. Ugh. Now I'm #madonline.

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bigtenspeed's picture

I personally like how your avatar is a picture of us getting a horrible unsportsmanlike conduct call in the 2010 ttun game.

Also Santonio would like a word about the 2005 ttun game.

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bd2999's picture

There were many earned penalties last year but there were too many that made no sense. Everybody gets bad calls sometimes. It happens, but that Big Ten title game was confusing as heck. If you were watching the game, NW was hardly penaltyless. Hell, even the illegal substitution was barely called.

It is like the refs give the benefit of the doubt to the classically low penalized team and hammer the higher one. This may be earned but it looks bad. The thing that really kept NW in those games was some just awful penalties. That was not all, but OSU had some big plays called back due to bad calls. And multiple times. It was very much OSU vs the refs and NW.

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Zimmy07's picture

I lost my mind when they called blocking below the waist on Fuller.

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denniscolumbus's picture

I would never want to be an official of any sort for any sport. Those that do it, my hat is off to you. With that said, the only thing worse than B1G Football officiating is B1G Basketball officiating. Why does our basketball team also play better when officiated by non-B1G officials (see preseason 2018/2019). And I’m not just complaining about Buckeye games. Any B1G game usually has poor officiating.  

I’ve said it for decades now. Fire them all and start fresh. Can’t be any worse. 

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Extramedium's picture

Pay them as full time employees and treat them as such.  Fire the ones that aren’t any good and hire better ones.  Train them all offseason.  The fact that we have semi-retired 65 year olds with failing eyesight and joints running around trying to keep up with and judge world class athletes making split second decisions is an absolute joke

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huffdaddy's picture

The sloppiness really felt like a UFM-inflicted sloppiness over various pieces of the program. When assistant coaches don't get fired (and I don't even mean our resident idiot WR coach), it's easier to tolerate minor mental errors without correcting them. I bet that changes this year.

As for the lopsided bad calls, I don't really believe in conspiracies, so I'm hoping for a regression to the mean this year.

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Extramedium's picture

It doesn’t take a belief in conspiracies to be able to look at raw numbers.  The fact is our penalty numbers are significantly lower in games that were not officiated by big ten crews.  Or just watch the games and pay attention.  You don’t even need to play that close attention to the UM and NW games last season

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Ohio State could have hung 100 on Michigan but for the penalties.

Change my mind.

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rkylet83's picture

I can’t argue, assuming we kept the foot on the gas.  Remove 1/2 of the PI calls on 3rd and long that kept Michigan drives alive and we’d have the ball a lot more; a good number of those PI’s were bogus.  

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Foot on the gas is the operative part. As much as Meyer hates Michigan I really think he respects the rivalry too much to have kept dropping bombs on them. Florida Meyer would have done it. OSU Meyer probably wouldn't have. 

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Steelydan54's picture

 "A five-star meal, with a hair in every bite."  It was one of those years, for sure. Ramzy strikes again!

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Hovenaut's picture

I'm in...griping about officiating (and/or team discipline) has no offseason.

Here's to better results (and/or officiating, however you look at it) in 2019.

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BucksHave7's picture

#59 TTUN is a piece of crap.  Pisses me off to have to watch that again.   

If the kid isnt athletic or even smart enough to slow himself down from a dangerous hit on the QB, he shouldnt be on the field at this level. 

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Sloopy1976's picture

Meh, I'm not so sure I'm buying this. Yes, it seemed like OSU got the short end of the stick constantly when it came to the zebras in 2018, but I did a little stat hunting: 

OSU's opponents averaged 5.7 penalties per game for 54.2 yards per game for their entire seasons. Against OSU, they averaged 5.8 penalties for 55.8 yards per game. Seems like our opponents' performances against us were right in line with what they did during the rest of the year. 

There were a couple of games where the opponent performed noticeably better in their game against us when compared to their other games. For example, Indiana averaged 5.9 penalties for 61 yards last season, but against us they had 3 penalties for 35 yards. Nebraska averaged 7.7 penalties for 71 yards but only had 5 penalties for 44 yards against us. As far as I can tell, there was one game we played where our opponent played drastically worse in terms of penalties. The only one that qualifies is PSU. They averaged 4.7 penalties for 42 yards during the season but had 7 penalties for 64 yards against us. 

Bottom line, we need to clean it up on our end and be much better in 2019. Don't worry about the refs. 

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SilverHaven's picture

Mahalo, Sloop76, "Facts are stubborn things." (Reagan)

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Extramedium's picture

Except the question isn’t about penalties called on our opponents, it’s about penalties called on us.  

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SilverHaven's picture

True, Extramed, but maybe we can give him a little credit anyway for pointing out that perhaps the refs at some level are not out to get OSU.

Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.

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Brashbuck's picture

Officiating is a chronic problem and getting worse by the year.  It's amazing that sports generating billions of dollars can't invest a small portion of that in better officiating in order to maintain overall credibility of outcomes.  The NFL playoffs, the various controversies in the NCAA tournament and, as Ramzy describes, in college football.  It will never replace the Bucks and college football for me, but the virtual lack of officiating affecting major championship golf makes it one of the best sports to follow (with TV coverage technology improving to match).

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saintstephen11's picture

NHL playoffs this year has had numerous bad calls by the officials.

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Poco Loco's picture

Please do not ever use the excuse that the Zebras cost Ohio State  a game. I believe that that excuse has been copyrighted by TTUN.

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DarthSweaterVest's picture

Sometimes officials do cost a team a game. See last year’s NFC championship game. However, TTUN believes that officials cost them ALL games that they lose. That’s the big difference.   

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Extramedium's picture

No one used that excuse.  Did you read the article?

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Having worked in the government for 22 years, I'm no conspiracy theorist, because there's no way you could keep that many people quiet about aliens or ghosts. I've rewatched the season (minus Purdue) a couple of times now, and OSU earned probably 75-85% of those penalties straight up through laziness or lack of discipline. Personally, I've always believed that refs in any sport will subconsciously look for opportunities to "even things out" when a game gets out of hand with ticky-tack calls on the better team or a generous strike zone for a bad pitcher. My HS BB coach used to say they were "make-up calls", which only served to piss the refs off more and remove any benefit of the doubt we may have gotten. The NW game with the early refusal to call holding when OSU's D-line was feasting was a prime example to me.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Extramedium's picture

I don’t think anyone has ever accused the government of keeping secrets about ghosts.. and even if we did earn 75-85%, that’s still a significantly lower number of penalties and yards.

All that said I agree it’s likely a subconscious thing on the part of the refs, hell unless they are buckeye fans they are probably sick of seeing us win everything. 

And that’s why there needs to be actual oversight, penalties, better training and much better pay for refs to attract higher skilled individuals and weed out the crew that can’t count 13 Northwestern players

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Buckfrombirth's picture

Ghosts were a stretch. I should've said chemtrails. Anyway, I also offer up the TTUN 13 on field at the end of the half as another example of refs that can't count. Sheesh, what a mess.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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Darksungm's picture

"A 5 star meal with a hair in every bite" - might be the best description of the 2018 season I have ever heard.

Negativity is a choice.

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Jdadams01's picture

It's similar to the Shaq or Gronk rule for officials. Bigger, faster, more talented players don't get the benefit. During Big Ten play, every team that plays OSU will always get the benefit of the doubt in snap calls.

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Extramedium's picture

Add Cam Newton... if he was protected like Tom Brady their whistles would break

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jmmysms's picture

I live in New Orleans and yeah, sometimes the refs suck. It is the ones missed or called that cost you games that drive you crazy.

I have never had a problem with aggressive penalties, the stupid ones, pre snap, yes.

Had a coach who was nothing but a positive gentlemen, rarely raised his voice. We played a certain Akron Catholic school to a tie. On the way back to bus he said, it is hard to beat the team, the pope and the refs in one game. I still laugh at that.

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shiloh's picture

Attended one of those Catholic schools. btw, what happens when one catholic school plays another? :-P As the big three Akron schools play each other every yr.

Indeed, divine intervention only goes so far. Just ask the domers.

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Iwannagobacktoohiostate's picture

People do what gets rewarded...  if I caused my company fines everyday at work and kept getting promoted, then I would not change my behavior. 

It’s called coaching.  Silly flags deserve loss of PT. Can’t have it. Flags due to aggressive play may be another subject altogether. 

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Extramedium's picture

It’s when you get called for stuff you didn’t do, or stuff the other team doesn’t get called for that’s the problem 

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AWC 89's picture

Why doesn't the BIG just switch basketball refs. to football and football refs. to basketball.  Couldn't be any worse.

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IH8UOFM's picture

I was one of the 100k people in the shoe booing and WTF'ing at those 2 back to back "pass interference" penalties in the opener (think they were on Jordan Fuller) and was thinking this exact same thing.

If you've coached football on any level, seeing the zebras call the same penalties on your team that they are ignoring on the other team, you know. Its the most infuriating thing in the game. I've raised a few parents' eyebrows (considering where I live) when I tell them I see this happening, but don't want to go all "Jim Harbaugh" on the refs.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I saw so many hits by Bush of TTUN that would have been targeting had one of our players made the same hit. Not only in the game against us but in other televised games. I do believe that Ohio State gets the short end of the stick on penalties. We can't be the only team in the country that does the things we do to get penalized. 

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c11058's picture

I would like for the B1G ref crew who worked the games where those penalties were in question to read this blog entry and comment with their point of view on each situation.  Do they view game films after each game?  Are they graded for their performance after each game?  If they watched the film, they'd have to be questioning their abilities to recognize and judge penalties.  If they were graded, no official should receive above a "C" for their work in any B1G game.  After years of watching the Buckeyes and many B1G games, I am convinced that the officials are among the worst in college football.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

I reffed ACC soccer and I can tell you I got calls from the assignor if there were serious issues.  How NCAA refs get away with egregious errors Ramzy highlights is beyond me.

TeamGB

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Extramedium's picture

Because they are semi-retired / glorified volunteers rather than full time employees who can and should be held accountable as well as trained year-round.

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

Yes but so was I.  Even less than them.  In an entire season I might make 5,000 and that’s busting my butt to get that, all while holding a 9-5 job.

And yet I (or refs on my crew) still got called to the mat for blown calls.  If I get held accountable for a marginal call making 300 a game, why aren’t these guys getting called out when they’re making 5-10,000 per game?

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

Refs can cost teams games and nearly cost OSU the game against Maryland.  On the two point try by MD at the end the turtles (if my memory serves) had too many men in the backfield AND a lineman was well into the end zone before the ball was thrown AND he was engaged with a defender before the pass (offensive PI).  No flags were thrown, so if MD completes that pass you could legitimately say the refs cost OSU the game.  

3 penalties on one play and none called.  Incredibly incompetent.

TeamGB

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Nutinpa's picture

No.   OSU's pathetic Defense nearly cost them the game.  I don't think many truly elite football teams would have struggled against Maryland the way we did .......even if the refs were assistant Terp coaches. 

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SCarolinaBuckeye's picture

No, they were in that position (overtime, defending a game deciding 2pt conversion) because of bad defense and special teams miscues.

But had they scored that conversion and no flags were thrown you could have definitively said the refs cost OSU the game.  That game literally came down to one play, one (no-) call.  

I get what you're saying and agree with you.  But my point is that the refs either chose to overlook those clear penalties or missed those clear penalties on that play and that oversight would have definitively lead to OSU losing that game.

TeamGB

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Nutinpa's picture

Okay, in that context, I see your point and agree. 

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OSU56's picture

Maybe the Big Ten refs handing out all the penalties were supporters of the shunk weasels from up north??

Just a thought..................

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Squirrel Master's picture

I dont think the 13 players on the field should have been a penalty. The refs just felt bad for UM and felt they needed 13 PoF to stand a chance.

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Tresselball4life's picture

Everyone was crowning TTUN out of the big 10.  Then we raped them.  However, the refs weren't playing by the rules before the game.

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TomD's picture

This seems to be an example of needing more detailed information and a complete breakdown of the penalty calls last year before drawing any firm conclusions. But historically:

In 2012, Urban Meyer's first year as HC, the Buckeyes ranked 107th in the nation of the 128 FBS Division I teams, with 64.5 penalty yards per game.

In 2013, 55th with 45.6;

In 2014, 45th with 47.4;

In 2015, 46th with 50.1;

In 2016, 50th with 50.6;

In 2017, 114th with 67.4;

In 2018, 127th with 75.4.

For some reason, the last two years have seen more penalty yards per game than typical, other the Coach Meyer's first year as HC. Whatever the reasons, this is a recent development that needs special emphasis toward improvement from Coach Day and his staff next year.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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esap153's picture

You know what's really wild is that the penalties never seemed to matter in the end, I think 2014 was one of the most penalized Meyer coached Buckeyes teams, and they still won the National championship, and despite finishing dead last this past season, they still won the B1G and Rose Bowl with one loss - that loss wasn't due to penalties, but terrible O Line play IMO, poor preparation...
Although there was the terrible call on a punt return I think, where the officials gave pursue like 5 extra yards, or ten and even though Urban could challenge the spot, he DIDN'T... Yeah, that call I felt really gave Purdue a ton of momentum - people forget that the Buckeyes were in that game into the 4th quarter despite their treacherous play, and if a couple calls fell their way, who knows? But they deserved to lose that game anyway, they simply didn't show up, and Purdue did big time.

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TomD's picture

2014 was the second-least penalized team, in terms of penalty yards per game, in the Urban Meyer era, 45th among the 128 FBS Division I football teams, averaging 47.4 ypg.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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esap153's picture

Huh I recalled them having a high penalty yards that season, funny how memory can play tricks... I don't know it seemed like every season under Meyer they had a lot of penalties, but they usually always won so whaaaaat eva

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Banks of olentangy's picture

Last year ended well but that was the most annoying 1 loss season. The scandal bs, Purdue game, bad defense, too many penalties and incompetent refs. 

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BUCKEYE3M's picture

I think that Alabama and Ohio State are two of the worst teams in America when it comes to penalties against their opponents. The refs just don't call penalties on their opponents in their games. I saw the stats last year, and the numbers are shocking. 

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216ToThe614's picture

Pick up your feet, turn your corners square! And DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE!!!
WB

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acBuckeye's picture

Bama secondary gets away with more grabbing and holding than anyone in America.

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Mush's picture

Many iffy calls for sure. Aren’t all conference refs supposed to protect their shiny toy team ??

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Ortonhallalumni's picture

Furbush was obvious targeting...he may have hit haskins with his shoulder to helmet..but still is in the rule as targeting..easy call stupid official

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esap153's picture

Not to mention that Jordan Fuller was ejected for an almost identical hit, in fact, much less egregious than the missed targeting in the Xichigan game, because Fuller hit a receiver, Xichigan hit a sliding Haskins into the dirt, he literally dived down onto him to drive him into the dirt as he slid, so regardless of whether he was leading with the helmet, it was a hit meant to to take a shot at Haskins... Those types of plays can ruin a quarterback's career! Imagine if Haskins injured his throwing shoulder on a play like that? He might never be able to throw the same again, i.e. Braxton Miller against Clemson - man I hate Clemson!

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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mmp15f's picture

We've been really unlucky with the rulings of targeting calls, both against us and our opponents, since the rule has been in place. I really hope they improve it like they've proposed.

On the bright side, a terrible targeting call last season did bring us Brendon White

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TkeBuck's picture

i wrote a venomous letter to the B1G office complaining about the in conference officiating. i will update Eleven Warriors when i receive a response.

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Keze's picture

From these clips we are in for more the same this year, TTUN in the clips and we just hired 2 defensive coaches from there.

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buckeyeradar's picture

No tin foil hat here.  I 've been complaining for years on Big Ten 10 officials.  Ramzy missed one call, the whole article was in motion, that's too many men in motion.  My sorry poor old tablet couldn't keep up.  I need a football fix!

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BeatMeechigun's picture

Couple thoughts.

1. Our defense was historically bad.  Many of the PI calls, could be seen materializing before they even happened because our defenders were beat and had no clue where the ball was.  That seemed to happen EVERY game.

2. The targeting rule is a disaster.  It's being officiated as a combination of a violent hit rule (any bone jarring hit), awkward hit rule (anytime the defender closes on an offensive player who makes an unexpected body contortion or ducks their own head), and random helmet contacted helmet rule (different from intentional leading with the helmet).  There needs to be clear intent to injure or clear intent to lead with the helmet IMO.  It's abundantly clear there is tremendous pressure on the refs to emphasize this one, but it's costing chunks of yardage, significantly altering game momentum, and resulting in game-altering ejections when the calls are not black and white and in some cases, blatantly wrong.  I get it, no one who plays football wants to be a walking zombie at 62 years old and the days where a Jack Tatum trying to kill anyone on the field was part of the game are over.  That said, a defender closing on a tackle shouldn't be penalized and ejected simply because the offensive opponent arrived in that space at the same time and awkwardly contorted their own body or ducked their head.

3. The speed of the game has drastically changed.  We've always had some speedy wideouts, but in this era there is speed across the field and the game is focusing on getting playmakers into space rather than pounding ahead with a fullback or dumping a pass to one of the two tight ends.  I think officiating has struggled a bit to keep up with the speed of the game.

4.  We see it all now.  In the 1960s one or two games were televised and the closest way to question a call was to hear it from a guy high up in a press box who saw it differently (lol to all the times Bob Ufer thought Michigan had a TD or a made FG when they didn't).  In the 90s every game was on, but the quality was poor.  Today we can count the blades of grass a RB's foot is about to step on as we watch in slow mo on our HD TVs.  In short, WE get a better view of the game than the refs (especially when that view includes a reply of the last play in slow motion).

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buckeye1964's picture

if we're looking for issues to criticize urban for - 

31-0 loss to clemson 

49-20 loss to purdue

55-24 loss to iowa

ohio state loses 3 games like that and in a 3 year period?? that's john cooperesqe - and it happened on urbans watch.

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esap153's picture

You know what, I'm very excited to see this article because I noticed the same exact thing! My theory was that the referees were told prior to the game to call the game tight if it's on Ohio State, and only throw a flag on (insert B1G opponent here) if it's too egregious to ignore, and even then really hesitate if it isn't as obvious as a false start.

The question is why? Well I have a couple theories, one of which is the off-season issues regarding Zach Smith that I shouldn't need to go over here, the retention of coach Meyer despite it all - and not here to discuss the facts of what did or didn't happen, but the media really created the driven narrative that Meyer aided and abetted a guy who was beating his wife by not firing him. Basically the B1G wasn't wanting Ohio State to be the champion as proxy punishment.

The other theory, especially with The Game, is that coming into the week, Xichigan was in prime position to claim a spot in CFP, and essentially if they beat the Buckeyes in Columbus, were the only B1G team that had a legit shot to be selected by the committee. Let's face it, with Ohio State's off-season controversy, their suspect defense, they were a long shot to make the playoffs going into this game.
I suppose it's possible that the refs were instructed once again to try to give Xichigan every opportunity to get the job done

Seattle Buckeye, Green Tony

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

The refs in The Game were so trash.  Kinda sad for the rival that the refs were so blatantly pro-them and yet they still got it handed to them. 

Class of 2010.

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Trebor40's picture

I know that the desire to see your team being unfairly treated by the refs is difficult to curb yet when it is clearly true that they are receiving the harsh side of judgement calls and it is consistent - things go from bias for my team to bias against my team in a hurry! 

This is clearly where we are given the evidence I would argue that the inability to get off the field on third down clearly took a toll on our defense and their psyche as well as the additional plays per game contributing to even more penalties! 

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