Justin Fields and Chase Young are finalists for the 2019 Heisman Trophy.
I tried to get him to Oklahoma but he didn’t go.
He’s smart too
I tried to get him to Oklahoma but he didn’t go.
He’s smart too
Baker being repetitive.
possible recruiting violation?
Nope. How would a former player talking to a recruit be a violation?
Now, if he offered him something tangible ($ or some other incentive) to get him to OK, THAT would be a violation.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
Baker said...."I tried to get him to Oklahoma but he didn't go"
Is it only talk?
From what was written, it's just talk. Now if there's something else going on there, or if Baker paid to fly him to OK, or took him out for a night on the town while trying to get him to Oklahoma, that would certainly be a violation.
FTR, not the one who DV'd. +1 to offset
'Tried to get him' is just talk. Is there more of it the converstaion Im missing?
It might be wrong but I actually think it is when it comes to current NFL players. Maybe one of those minor violations that no one at the NCAA cares about but i feel I've seen the topic brought up before.
"¯\_(ツ)_/¯" - Joey Bosa
At the spring game, we have dozens of former players on the sideline talking to players and recruits. As long as the conversation is informal (not an interview for TV), it's not a violation.
Not to sound unappreciative or anything about linking that song, but throat punch comes to mind.
Let me guess: She wrote and produced that song and video all by herself. Isn't that special?
I'm at the age where food has taken the place of sex in my life. In fact, I've just had a mirror put over my kitchen table. - Rodney Dangerfield
Correct, but she was actually later signed to a real deal with Youtube - the 'new song' part by Kevin is a joke, because the video itself is from all the way back in like 2010 or early 2011. It went viral all over the web (mostly in a mocking "haha, see this awful video" sense), to the point that it was one of the most watched videos of the year on Youtube.
So what you’re saying is she was getting laughed at all the way to the bank.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Several times actually. What a time to be alive.
Rebecca Black was 13 in that video. It's estimated she made over $1.2 million from that song - although lots of lawsuits as to who actually owned the song and who gets the royalties.
How can ya'll be so glib after the untimely death of Grumpy Cat?
Jim "DooDah" Day
"If I were giving a young man advice as to how he might succeed in life, I would say to him, pick out a good father and mother, and begin life in Ohio.” --Wilbur Wright, 1910
Made it to about the 1:18 mark before I could take no more.......I might hold the record though
The pain of discipline or the pain of regret, take your pick
You made it a lot farther than I did.
I'm shocked two people clicked play, let alome admitted it.
Ya know, NorCal, I almost went back up and clicked, but you talked me out of it. Thanks!
I'd rather be an hour early than a minute late.
I have no idea who she is, but she's cute, so I clicked. Live and learn.
I'm shocked two holy bleep, 132 million people clicked play, let alone admitted it.
Fixed that for you.
Yes, the video does have that many views on Youtube since it was originally posted years ago.
It's so bad it can't even work its way up to an earworm. I made it just over 1:00 and, by the grace of God, have already forgotten.
Never before in the history of man have lives less lived been more chronicled. - Dennis Miller
Y’all didn’t like the song????
Insert Kevin's twitter response right here... :) :)
"Because it worked," Ryan Day says, laughing.
Coach Day has been recruiting Ohio earlier in the year. Not relying on flipping the Ohio kid last minute it appears. I spoke with a father (a few years ago) that's son was told he would likely get a late offer if at all. And pretty much told since he was an Ohio boy they knew he would flip. The father said the son was quite angry over this. Felt he was just told at best he was a plan B.
The kid did not flip, but did play in the play offs several times!
Assuming the story was factual, that did feel like something that would upset folks, including folks in the HS coaching community.
So it's good to hear that practice may be done with, at least to some extent.
To be clear though, I am still a big fan of Coach Meyer! NPI!!
Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!
Yeah, from what I read over the years, the enthusiasm for Urban from Ohio high school coaches wasn't as high as it could have been. Some felt that he neglected the state of Ohio from a recruiting standpoint. Obviously thats a tough balancing act. You want the best players possible but you also want to take care of your home state. Its tough to argue with his results though so who am I to say. Seems like Day might strike that balance a little better in the minds of Ohio HS coaches though.
But if some of these so called developmental kids don't develop, then Day will take Urb's approach.
That's the key. If you take a 3 star kid early, you better be able to develop him.
Urban's system of responsibility of the 4 and 5 * guys or the "Elite" guys was that in order to truly be a "95%" or elite guy you took a 50% guy with you to the gym through your routine. He placed some of that development on the players which I think we not only have seen on the field but through interviews with players. I liked the idea and lets look at the support system here, it can and should develop anyone.
If you build a culture of constant self improvement, responsibility and the understanding that those things lead to success, everyone would want to come, at least the guys we want, stars or no stars and they work together and the development happens more seamlessly.
Also the comment below saying there are 4 and 5 * guys that don't develop, true but that can also be on them or sometimes on the coach as well (linebackers) the kids can only develop so much if they aren't being molded well.
There are 4-5* kids who don't develop either, you need more than just talent. Hopefully Day is finding the kids with "more".
Yes, but as a percentage of their cohort, that number is orders of magnitude smaller than the 3*s.
"You beat cancer by how you live, why you live, & in the manner in which you live.
So, live. Live. Fight like hell. And when you get too tired to fight then lay down and rest and let somebody else fight for you. "
- Stuart Scott
True, but I'm just saying it's more than just talent. It's about a kids work ethic, motivation and attitude at whatever star rating one might have. We've all seen plenty of Ohio kids excelling elsewhere after we chased an out of state 5* that signed elsewhere. I'm not against going after the best, It's a balance, and with no results to show yet, I like Day's approach.
We've all seen plenty of Ohio kids excelling elsewhere after we chased an out of state 5* that signed elsewhere
Dont know why people think that just because an Ohio kid excelled elsewhere that he would have done the same @ OSU. There is a reason a kid is rated as a 5*. Not that rankings are the end all be all, but it means you are starting from a better foundation as far as potential, talent, athleticism, speed, football IQ, etc. I will always take a out of state 5* over a lower ranked in-state player. The goal is to put the best team possible on the field every Saturday and win.
I believe that if Ohio had spring football it would mean that players would be further developed and force an earlier offer. With the attrition rate at Ohio State, Urban wanted players who could conceivably play from day one and not have to wait a few years to catch up.
Spring football would spell the end of a lot of spring sports in smaller communities. Let them run track, play baseball and lacrosse. The world doesn’t have to revolve around football. Look at guys like Sam Hubbard and others who were multi-sport athletes in HS.
I heard Hubbard played Lacrosse. Is that true?
One of those interesting cases where saying your analysis out loud changes the math on it. Reminds me a little of the Ford Pinto case they taught in Financial Ethics.
Bringing in Cardale Jones seemed to work out pretty well too.
Cardale was a Tressel commit.
Also, it is absolutely silly not to go after the best players, wherever they are located. Urbans recruiting was on another level (for Ohio State) and was a big reason OSU was so successful.
Loading up on Ohio-based 3 stars won’t win a National Championship in the playoff era.
Cardale committed to Tressel, then went to FUMA in 2011, and was signed by Meyer, who could’ve pulled the offer as we’ve seen many new coaching hires do. Cardale could’ve changed his mind, too, but didn’t. Technically, that makes him a Meyer recruit.
It would’ve been silly for Meyer to pull a commitment when he was just stepping into the HC job, especially after the 2011 debacle of a season. Taking the “bird in hand” was the best course of action at that point.
Nonetheless, a) he wasn't obligated to, and b) he was the head coach of record when Cardale signed.
But the point remains, Cardale was a Tressel recruit.
Maybe. But for all of Meyer's recruiting chops.....OOS......he had the same number of NCs at OSU that Tressel did. One.
And Meyer's OOS 5-starts had their asses handed to them by a bunch of 3 star kids, some of whom were from Ohio by Iowa and Purdue.
IMHO, The only thing that Meyer dominated better than Tressel was the first night of the NFL draft. That's it. And before you pull the "it's a lot tougher now than when Tressel did it, I will offer a comparison of OOC schedules. Tress had Miami, USC and Texas. Meyer had Okie and an over-rated TCU team.
To be clear, there is no one I wanted to coach the Buckeyes other than Meyer while he was here. But I don't buy the "other-worldly" resume that some of us have bestowed on him. His teams, like Tressel's and Woody's, both over-achieved and under-achieved.
But for all of Meyer's recruiting chops.....OOS......he had the same number of NCs at OSU that Tressel did
One could (rather convincingly) argue that the only NC Tressel won was with Cooper's players. Mo C and Gamble were Tress recruits, but most of the starters on that 2002 team were recruited by Cooper. That aside even, the rest of the comparison isn't close.
Nobody said Meyer didn't lose games he shouldn't have, but its not really a debate who accomplished more in their time at OSU. They each finished 1st or T-1st 7 times, though Meyer in 3 less years. Tressel won the conference outright 4 times, and Meyer 3, with Meyer only having 6 years to do so to JTs 10 AND having to win a conference championship (Tressel was actually the reason Meyer didn't get a chance in 2012). Meyer won 90% of his total games and 93% of his conference games, compared to Tressel's 83% for each. Meyer was 5-2 in NY6 games (4-2 if you count 2014 as one win) in 6 seasons of bowl eligibility compared to JTs 5-3 in 10 years.
I love Jim Tressel and he was a great coach, but Meyer was better in just about every meaningful category.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Honestly, we agree on most points, but my coffee intake put me in a debating mood this morning.
We can cut to the chase and get to the one "meaningful category" Meyer was brought in to achieve and that is.....establish Ohio State dominance on a national level.....which was code for beat the SEC and establish OSU dominance outside the comfortable confines of the Big Ten and upper midwest. Gene Smith and the fanbase had grown tired of watching Tressel's teams beat up local teams and then lose badly to the likes of USC, Florida and LSU.....or games of national stature. Ohio State had become in many people's eyes, "what was wrong with the BCS system"....no matter how full of shit we believed that opinion to be.
Beating Michigan and winning the Big Ten are expected of every Ohio State coach and Meyer did that in spades. But while you and others who agree with you believe the comparison between Tress and Meyer "wasn't even close", i will beg to differ. Each coach rose to the summit. Tress beating Miami in 2003 and Meyer beating Bama and Oregon to win the title in 2014-15 with his 3rd Team QB, no less. The dubious distinction that both coaches have in common, is that neither was able to sustain that level of greatness. Tress's teams were clobbered in the aforementioned losses on the biggest stage and Meyer's team lost in equally humiliating fashion to Clemson, and then topped it off by crapping the bed against middling Big Ten teams. Net/net? Both coaches suffered losses that strained the credibility of their programs and had the media and selection committees begging or opting not to have them in the championship rota for fear they'd get slaughtered again. We can disagree with their mindsets, but it was what it was.
Meyer came here with one mission: "Go where Jim Tressel could not take this program." He was arguably successful in achieving that mission -- but I contend it was not by the margin that some believe it to be when you look beyond simple W-L percentages.
By the team he retired, Urban Meyer was winning and owning the first night of the NFL draft --- while Dabo Swinney and Nick Saban were taking turns winning the second Monday in January.
I mean, all that is a fine argument if you assume the sole reason Meyer was hired was to "Go where Jim Tressel could not take this program" which are your words and nobody associated with the University has stated. Meyer was hired because he was the best available coach and we had a coaching vacancy due to Jim Tressel's transgressions. Of course the goal is National Titles... that's every teams goal. Meyer did what Tress did (win a natty) and also did literally everything else at a higher level than Tress. You can twist the "mission" however you want to make Tress seem like he was on Meyer's level, but he was, objectively, a less successful coach. The only way you can argue otherwise is if you score Meyer on a different scale because you personally thought he should've won more titles, which isn't how success is measured in the real world.
opting not to have them in the championship rota for fear they'd get slaughtered again
As much as we, as fans, contend that OSU belonged in the playoffs the last two years, most unbiased observers agreed that Bama and Oklahoma had the better argument. It wasn't "fear they'd get slaughtered again" it was "those two teams just have a better argument."
I don't "believe" the comparison between Tress and Meyer wasn't even close. It quite literally isn't close, by every metric other than total championships. If you tie in one category and lose all the others... you lose, it's that simple.
Fair enough and well said. We just have to disagree on the level of or degree of difference of success between the two coaches.
In terms of Meyer "taking the program where Jim Tressel couldn't" are, of course, my choice of words, not the university's. But I do believe when you filter out all the proper sound bites, that is what Meyer, who yes, was absolutely the best coach available, was brought in to do. In terms of grading Meyer on a different scale, honestly, triv, he brought that on himself. If you are going to earn and take the credit for being a world class recruiter, which he is, then to show 1 NC for that work is arguably an under-achievement. Paul Finebaum is an asshat in many regards, but he is right in that context, for saying Meyer underachieved....again, in that singular context.
As to the comparison between Tress and Meyer as "not being close" on any measureable parameter, again, we can pour a beer and disagree. If you want to accuse me of having more of an emotional or subjective argument vs. a more "fact based" argument, that is fine. I simply choose to select what I am using as comparators differently than you. And as for me, it largely, but not solely, is based on national championships by two great men who went about it differently at Ohio State. Much of the remainder of it is fluff to me, which yes, makes me a spoiled, yet demanding fan.
Well said, gladly enjoy a beer and agree to disagree. We certainly are an entitled fanbase when we have to argue who was better between Tress and UFM lol
Agree on that, totally, my friend!
After we kicked Alabama’s *** in the Sugar Bowl we had two teams that should have been in the CFP, 2015 and 2018, but the committee denied us that chance. Alabama really wanted no part of us in either year. Unfortunately, the selection of teams is biased because you have human beings with agendas making the choices. And as far as Alabama and Clemson taking turns winning the second Monday in January...let’s Investigate those two schools and their use of steroids before we crown them as the kings of college football.
The OOC schedules for both Tressel and Meyer were, in most cases, set before either became the head coach. Most of those schedules are set 8-10 years in advance. I believe that Tressel was maybe 2-4 against those three while Meyer was 2-1. If you compare the win-loss record Meyer probably had a fairly higher win-loss percentage over Tressel.
True. But it doesn't change the fact as to the OOC teams both coaches faced, and for much of the time, again to no fault of his, Meyer's OOC schedule was laughable.
Cardale was a 3 star from Ohio who won a championship.
Cardale played three games. Three very good games, but three games nonetheless. Let’s not pretend that Cardale was better than some of the 5* out of state recruits, he wasn’t. He lost the starting job to JT the following year.
Cardale had a cannon arm but was never very accurate (or mobile) which is why he lost the starting job at OSU and had a very short NFL career (I know, he signed a reserve contract with the Chargers). If Cardale is your poster boy for recruiting in-state, rather than nationally, I think you proved my point.
Ohio State does not beat Alabama with Barrett it Miller under center.
That's called speculation. The answer is forever unknown.
If Baker likes Wilson, thats good enough for me.
I do think its funny that a 24 year old keeps referring to an 18 year old as a kid. I guess I am too old to remember when 6 years was actually a big difference in time.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
Probably when 6 years was less than 1/4 if your entire life experience.
It’s more about life stages than it is about hard numeric age difference. Baker was an NFL quarterback when Garrett was in high school. They may be within 6 years of age, but are in completely different places in life.
Hmmnn.. Alvarez as the net commish?
Pigskins & Porkrinds
Urban Frank Meyer?
I'm just going to sit back and hope they give the keys to the $759 billion conference to the right man.
The B1G’s value has already increased 10x in the past few days? Talk about inflation.
While it’s not as splashy, I’d rather they promote some deputy that already has experience in dealing with the tv contracts and such, as that’s really the most important part of the job.
Haha actually the lede of the article was Gene suggesting that. But Barry said he’s near retirement himself.
He's the first one that came to mind for me too. May not be a Buckeye, but I have always liked the guy from a distance. Quintessential Big Ten guy and seems to have his head on straight. They could do much, much worse than Barry.
I might be in the minority but I appreciate the song. Brings back memories of rolling around Oxford in my Korean redneck friend's truck (he was adopted). He would blast this shit and try talking to girls. Along with some Carly Ray "Call me maybe". A simpler time.
"He's only been head coach for less than five months, but so far he's looking like a beautiful blend of both Urban Meyer and Jim Tressel. If his on-field results blend with those two as well, I think he'll have an extremely happy fanbase."
I like this.
Perfect description isn’t it? Day is extremely smart. Mixing in some developmental kids could also help protect the roster from Transfer Portal hits down the road.
Fields of Dreams
It's funny bc after UFM was hired, I always said he was the perfect blend of Tressel and Cooper.
Urban was already his own man when he was hired. He’s the closest Ohio State has ever come to hiring a rock star who was already a household name. Woody, Earle, Tress, Day were all relative unknowns on the national stage; Cooper was somewhat better known but he’d only been at ASU for three seasons. Ironically, the one thing that endeared him to Buckeye fans was beating Michigan in the 1986 Rose Bowl, which turned out to be a false echo as a harbinger of things to come
You are in the minority. I’m trying to find a way to erase it completely from my phone so none of my friends can ever find out I watched it.
Is there any computer system that cannot be hacked? Reading the ILS hacking link, they say that it can happen but is unlikely to. Not sure if that makes me feel better or not exactly.
I have to concur with some of the early comments today. It is nice to keep the Ohio kids and coaches happy by making them more of a priority, but is that due to Day really wanting Ohio kids, or is he not quite up to the Urban standard of getting 5 stars from across the country? I will make no judgment now until we see the results on the field, but it does make me wonder
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
Is there any computer system that cannot be hacked?
Not really, but some are more secure than others. Nobody really started taking computer security seriously until the late 90's or 2000's (even today in 2019, many people/companies still don't), so anything that was built before then tends to have some kind of flaw.
That said, one thing from the article that should make you feel a little safer is that there's no clear benefit to hacking this - there's no likely way to benefit monetarily and even if someone wanted to just cause disruptions (like the article posits), this seems like an overly convoluted and complex way to achieve that end.
Reading the ILS hacking link, they say that it can happen but is unlikely to
Happened back at Christmas of 1990 at Dulles Airport. John MacLean had to bust up some homegrown terrorists who did it to get a Central American drug lord dictator out of US custody.
It seems to me Day has made a distinction b/w athletic positions and developmental positions...I fully expect OH 3* as part of TE and O-line recruiting 4&5 * at the skill positions like WR and RB. Especially with the TP...need some position groups to stick and develop.
Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP
Yeah I think in general going for 3 stars would make the most sense at position groups that require tons of depth, like both lines, DBs and WRs.
Basketball! JaSean Tate doing JaSean Tate things!
Looked like he was back at osu. Might not say much for his league.
It looks like they might have a taller, more talented, similar type player coming in this year, from IL.
Another snipet from the Landis $ article. I'm a fan of more Ohio kids - they still need to be the right ohio kids though.
On Ryan Day shifting Ohio State's approach to recruiting Ohio:https://t.co/c7IUHnfX1s pic.twitter.com/ssnaOwLr5l
— Bill Landis (@BillLandis25) May 16, 2019
Meyer said time and again he valued recruiting more than anything in his coaches, even over player development, which is probably why Zach Smith was kept on as he kept getting better as a recruiter even though on the field, Zone6 grossly underachieved. It’s as if Urban put more stock in the stone over the sculptor. Day seems to recognize that development is just as important, that if the 4- and 5-stars don’t pan out, there’s a hard nosed 3-star blue collar lunchpail kid ready to go in. They are the scrappers who make the 5-stars work harder because they take nothing for granted, least of all their talent.
At the same time, you can’t really separate a coach’s recruiting “closing ability” from talent evaluation, talent development, scheme/in-game coaching, and character development. The best players, on the field, are culminations of all those factors. When a three-star kid turns into a star, we never know how much of that success is attributable to him being underrated as a recruit versus excelling in those other areas. Conversely, when a five star doesn’t pan out, we often don’t know if the recruit was overrated or a breakdown happened further down the line.
With that in mind . . . the two things that we can safely say about Meyer’s approach, compared to Day e.g., are:
Drawing conclusions beyond these two points I think is troublesome - prone to overanalysis.
Good Lawd, that Friday song was awful.
To counter that prepubescent trash, I offer a classic that’s survived the test of time.
Loverboy: Working for the Weekend
Oh my God, I love the thought of this..."but so far he's looking like a beautiful blend of both Urban Meyer and Jim Tressel." If Ryan Day is this, he can be coach forever.
WHICH SEAT SHOULD I TAAAAAAAAKE!!!
"Print is dead"
1. The pinnate appearance of the buckeye leaf is shared with cannabis, often causing confusion about OSU helmets.
2. Gene Smith's comments about the next B1G commissioner means Larry Scott need not enter the transfer portal. Still, the challenges that will be faced by the next commissioner will require someone willing to "roll the dice." Realignment is not over and the B1G is up first in the next TV contract round.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
The mention of Larry Scott in connection with the B1G job made me spit my coffee. I'd say he's the Jabrill Peppers of conference commissioners, but that might be a bit harsh to JP.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
I don't have much love for Baker Mayfield, but he and I agree on this take.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
“Everything changed between coach Meyer and coach Day, but I knew with coach Meyer that it was like that,” Leroux said.
Would you say it's a new Day for recruiting? I'll show myself out...
Clearly, we have had some legendary talent from out of state during the last two decades. JT, Zeke, Santonio, Haskins. All represented OSU incredibly well. But there is something really special about the intangibles of a talented Ohio native playing for the Buckeyes, what that means for them. We need to always go after the best talent, nationally. But the staff also needs to bear in mind that kids who dream of being a Buckeye their whole life are willing to run through a wall even in the fourth quarter, play through the pain.
There was a fascinating article many years ago that featured stories from guys that played in the 2002 title game. Ohio natives on that team like Doss and Fox and Kenny Peterson went above and beyond. I am sure non-Ohio players did as well, but to me a 4-star Ohio kid is often as good and valuable as a 5-star from elsewhere.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
Maybe tomorrow you can link her follow up 2013 hit titled, Saturday.
*ichiganian by birth but a Buckeye by the grace of God.
I think both Tressel and Meyer are great, but I disagree that Urban is better in every measureable way. If the BCS were still around we were never in the top 2 at the end of the season and Urban would have never been in a championship game at Ohio State. When you combine Ohio State with Youngstown State Jim Tressel's teams played in 9 title games, winning 5. That's a title game appearance less than every third year.
By your reasoning, the Mt. Union coach should be the greatest ohio football coach of all-time.