NCAA to Consider Allowing Player to Profit from Their Likeness

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allinosu's picture

The biggest sponsored teams will now rule. I'll bet Oregon fans are excited.

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BrutusB's picture

Teams with the most money ALREADY have that advantage. The locker room and gyms at OSU are just a tiny bit better than those at Tulsa.  Alabama's stadium is more of a recruiting draw than Toledo's.  The onsite nutritionists and dieticians at Oklahoma are better than the PB&J sandwiches that Fresno State is handing out.

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allinosu's picture

This is direct money and all it takes is a couple crazy fools with hundreds of millions( buy a T-shirt company) to buy his team a NC by promising huge amounts to every 5* player) Going to a school for academics will be a thing of the past. 

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seyekcuB's picture

Pb&j is filled with energy.

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soldierdad's picture

Good for players bad for the sport.  Going to have to institute a 1 round HS draft.  That would disperse the top 100 players.  Players that want to play in the NCAA would have to agree to it.  I don’t like it but that’s the only way to keep backdoor money from buying a program.

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lamplighter's picture

Bad for the smaller teams conferences. 

I guarantee that we will sell 10,000 jerseys with your name.  Other school can only promise 8500
 

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

This is a great comment for the article on the front page. 

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linepilot15's picture

Saw the article, did not see a forum discussion on it.

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Meek's picture

There are multiple site articles on this topic, and they have comment sections.

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OSUnathen's picture

Beyond  sad to see college sports come to this. The problems this will create far outnumber the good it does. 

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BrewstersMillions's picture

What problems do you foresee?

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OSUnathen's picture

Who gets paid and how much? What about the other 90% that don’t generate sales from likeness?

Recruiting would become which school can get them most $$ on sales. 

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AllAboutBuckeyes's picture

I agree 100%. But If they allow it, the money they make can be used to help pay for the free tuition, food, housing and medical expenses.  That would welcome them to the real world.  You make money so you can pay for the necessities of life.  

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RubixTube's picture

Do you honestly think that the status quo regarding scholarships and training tables will change if they start paying players?  

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

For the NCAA yes, for the players no.  Top schools are already paying players, the FBI investigation confirms that.  Let's not be naive.

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Cincybuckeye's picture

I don't know how I feel about this. But, I will say that if this means we can get a new NCAA game, I'm willing to look past any negatives side effects. 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

The schools don't need to pay them but there's zero reason they shouldn't be able to make money off themselves just like John Doe, the accounting major who made AfroDuck shirts and sold them out of his dorm room.

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allinosu's picture

That accounting major doesn't have a fan base promising to buy every AfroDuck shirt if he would come to their school. It does seem fair to make that money but their scholarships are not taxed by an agreement to the IRS that they are amateurs. If they want to get paid then go to a lessor league out of HS. They are getting an education and use of the best equipment in the world as well as trainers and coaching to develop their skills. It's not like those in charge are pocketing(I agree football coaches salaries are out of hand but it also benefits players) the money but it goes back into the college for the next generation.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

That accounting major doesn't have a fan base promising to buy every AfroDuck shirt if he would come to their school.

The accounting major does if he's a she and "an Instagram model." Or a fitness guru. Or the child of a celebrity. There's plenty of college students who have massive followings for one reason or another.  

It does seem fair to make that money but their scholarships are not taxed by an agreement to the IRS that they are amateurs. If they want to get paid then go to a lessor league out of HS. 

They aren't being paid to play the sport. It's no different than Olympic athletes who are still considered amateurs but can appear in a Nike commercial for $5k.

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allinosu's picture

That $5k is taxed (so the IRS don't consider them amateurs which was my point)and they are not getting scholarships that will be reassessed as well. The whole danger is for those (over 95%) that won't receive money but have their scholarship taxed IF the IRS decides to do away with the whole thing. Players should be able to go pro when they want so if money is their issue then it can be dealt with. It won't end with a $5K Nike commercial but promises out of high school for much more if they go to their school. 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

That $5k is taxed. (so the IRS don't consider them amateurs which was my point)and they are not getting scholarships that will be reassessed as well. The whole danger is for those (over 95%) that won't receive money but have their scholarship taxed IF the IRS decides to do away with the whole thing.

Athletes aren't taxed on scholarship money for tuition, just like any other scholarship. Every scholarship, including athletic ones, should be paying taxes for any scholarship money used to pay room and board + living stipend. That won't change because they can make money off their likeness, as they still aren't being paid to play the sport. 

Players should be able to go pro when they want so if money is their issue then it can be dealt with.

You're right. But that's an NFL, NBA, MLS issue, not an NCAA issue.

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logamaniac's picture

Actually, a football player/scholarship athlete could have done that as well from my understanding, so long as they disclose it to compliance.  Which is why athletes are also "allowed" to have jobs that are monitored by the athletic department/compliance.

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The Rill Dill's picture

 Now, we’ll have the problem of player A buying a Bentley for player B. 

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Buckeyeinsc's picture

For the love of God, do it! This will mean we can have the NCAA Football video game again!

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

I'd love to have the game back, but EA would be wise to just make a game with generic/random teams and let the community make the actual teams and rosters. Gets around litigation and no need to pay the players for their likeness. Honestly I'm not sure why they haven't done it yet.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

We already basically have free agency in football, now we are going to allow them to be paid outside of their scholarship. I guess waiving the three-year rule will be next.

We don't have Free Agency because they aren't being paid.

The Three year rule is an NFL rule, not the NCAA and that won't change because of this. It also probably won't change because the NFL is smart enough to know no 18 year old kid can play in the NFL.

The only ones not being paid are the players.

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TheDizzle's picture

Just a bunch of bad takes in this thread.
1) We get College Football video games back
2) It sidesteps title 9 issues by letting the market demand determine pay rate instead of women's tennis players getting paid as much as football players/basketball players
3) Any form of compensation for the players is objectively better than the bullshit system that exists nows
4) College Sports has never been equal. FAU will never have the resources to compete with Ohio State, no matter how many jerseys each of their best players can sell

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Scarlet_Lutefisk's picture

Just a bunch of bad takes in this thread.
1) We get College Football video games back

Irony.

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Mastro16's picture

but that is how it has always been in the amateur game it is just at a larger scale now

Not actually a valid reason for not allowing people to get paid. 

It might just ruin college sports as we know it, but, like it or not, I don’t think the viewing public should expect to enjoy the products of an industry worth billions of dollars while that industry’s primary labor barely experiences any of massive growth it is contributing to.

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linepilot15's picture

I understand what you are saying but maybe I didn't get my point across very well. Simply, what I meant was it's an amateur sport. Amateurs don't get paid, if they did they would not be amateurs.
Honestly, I don't see something like this having a negative impact on OSU. Having the (or one of) the largest fan bases in the country, they could only benefit but I still don't see it as being good for the game.

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logamaniac's picture

well before there was so much money and/or oversight involved the mutual benefit wasn't so unevenly weighted.  

arguments could be made that reducing scholarships to create parity has also caused problems for this situation because a lot of schools that are employing players that would otherwise be at the large institutions that could support the increased numbers.

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Mastro16's picture

Simply, what I meant was it's an amateur sport. Amateurs don't get paid, if they did they would not be amateurs.

Logamaniac is onto my main argument. 

College football may have started as an “amateur” sport, but noone is treating it as amateur anymore. “Amateur” sports don’t sign TV contracts for hundreds of millions of dollars, or sign 15-year apparel supplier deals for $150 million, or spend tens of millions on facility upgrades. It’s a business, and right now this business’ employees have specific, unique rules prohibiting them from taking advantage of their value. 

Can you give me a good reason why it’s important to you, as a fan, for FBS to be labeled as amateur?

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I don't think it's good for college football if the players can start profiting like this, but at the same time, I can't think of many good reasons why they shouldn't be allowed to do so. 

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logamaniac's picture

I think some things that might work would be a model that provides a payoff after some extended amount of time.  either via retirement fund or a postponed vested fund.  

A model like that might remove the immediate signing or short term value that would only benefit schools with a huge fanbase.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I think some things that might work would be a model that provides a payoff after some extended amount of time

Agreed, put the funds into a deferred account that students can't touch until after they've either left school or exhausted their eligibility

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BrutusB's picture

Gene implied they wanted to tie it to education.  So the fund goes into an account that you get access to when you get your degree or something like that.

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logamaniac's picture

didn't gene say they aren't even contemplating a model that pays players an income?

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OhioAgainstTheWorld34's picture

If NCAA Football reemerges from this madness I solemnly swear that I will take off work for a week to engulf every waking moment making up for lost time.

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logamaniac's picture

NCAA always used an old madden engine so it doesn't make sense for EA to not be willing to split profits with the NCAA(player compensation included in the split maybe) for a game that they could literally force a team of first or second year hires to rename players/change team colors and add stadiums while maybe creating a scout team for player/team ratings and still make a hundred million dollars+.

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BrutusB's picture

If the coaches, schools, bowl games, retailers and TV networks all get more and more money from the sport, I have a very hard time continuing to say that the players themselves should continue to get no more compensation than they did 20 years ago.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

Not to disagree with your point, but have you seen the cost of college lately?

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BrutusB's picture

Yes, its gone up by thousands, or even tens of thousands, since 20 years ago.

Total CFB revenue is being recorded in billions.

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gobucks1966's picture

Everyone already talk about bagmen and schools cheating. Add this to the picture will only open the door for schools to find away to cheat even more. Not only this but so far everything I read these days only help the rich and rob from the poor. Protocol is another where players that are your under the radar kids that become good will leave Kent St. and go to their dream school like OSU for example. It's one thing when you become a pro and play the free agent thing and make big money along with moving from place to place like a person who works as a banker or what ever a person does in life. College kids are just that and so many don't realize how lucky they are to receive a free education now they want paid on top of that. Most of these kids if not for being a good football player would never see the inside of a college that's your reward. Not only that not sure who or how they would get paid just remember Joe Public you and I pay in the end as ticket prices or T shirts will go up in cost to make up what  who ever is paying these spoiled kids to make  up for their loss in sales.

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45has2's picture

Can the Chem student profit from a new material or process? Can the Lit major make cash writing while attending school? Can the Computer Sciences geek make and sell apps? Yes, yes and yes. Then why can't a student athlete earn from their specialty? I feel the same on this as open transfers. All scholarship students are allowed to profit from their specialty while in school except the scholarship athlete. Why? The NCAA likes to push the student aspect of student athlete so let them be like any other student. 

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logamaniac's picture

I get what you're saying but can you point me to the last lit major, chem student or computer science major that profited while in school?

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Mastro16's picture

https://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=77498

Just an example pulled from a google search - sure you can find countless more. Kids make and sell apps all the time, even in high school.

But lit, chem, and computer science majors also don’t have much appeal to the general public. Football players have massive appeal to the general public.

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logamaniac's picture

you're linking a business student who on his own created an app sold on itunes.  thats not anything like what we are talking about, just as Kyler Murray was able to profit off of baseball even though he played football.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

Veronica Roth sold the book rights to Divergent, which she wrote her senior year, before she graduated Northwestern's Medill School of Journalism. 

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logamaniac's picture

cool so a year after players can earn professional money.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

You asked for an example of an English lit (or similar) profiting while in school. You didn’t specify if it had to be before the conclusion of their junior (academic) year. 

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logamaniac's picture

Ok that’s fair but we are also discussing benefits that other non-athlete students get over the earning potential of athletes.  

Every 3rd year removed from HS athlete is eligible to earn money from a professional standpoint and do so then at a higher rate than a comparable academic student.  

Even if you just take the players who declare for the draft or haves expended their athletic eligibility they sign with agents and get money before the nfl draft, also signing nfl contracts while their academic year is still in full swing.   

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linepilot15's picture

The chem student, lit major and computer science geek can profit from their skills because there is no governing body that has rules that say they can't. College sports are still governed by the NCAA and they have rules against it.
I don't know why people keep glossing over the fact that they get a free education, room and board, and best medical attention all free. I'm sorry but coming from a father that put two kids through college I find it very difficult to feel too sorry for athletes getting free what took me decades to pay for.

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Wargor's picture

Sorry for them perhaps not, but 50 years ago there was a pie and the athlete got 1 piece.  Now there are a dozen pies and the athlete gets one piece of one pie.  

In 1978 Woody Hayes made $43K.  Inflation says that's $169K in 2019 dollars.  Was Urban worth 45 Woody Hayes's?  I know worth, value, etc. don't work exactly that way, but the disparity ought to be illuminating nonetheless.  Big money is being made off of this product and in just about every other avenue of business there aren't any such restrictions on the workforce. 

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neo's picture

For me, selfishly, I want things to stay how they are. If college players start getting paid, I just feel like the spirit of the sport (or my perceived spirit of the sport) and the pageantry will be diluted, mostly because kids will absolutely choose a "school" (really, a club) that can line their pockets the most (and how could I blame them?).

I've always loved CFB over the NFL because I've always felt there is a brotherhood and love for the sport. It's not adulthood yet, no mortgages yet, just young dudes playing the game they love. Maybe it's me idealizing youth. Maybe it's me being totally naive. Maybe all these kids think about are the future NFL dollars and I've just convinced myself there is more to college football than money. Maybe glory? Pride? Tradition? I don't know. I hate to question the thing I'm so passionate about, but I guess I shouldn't kid myself. Justin Fields didn't come to Ohio State because he loves Ohio, Ohio State, or the tradition of our school. He came because he thinks it's the surest way to the NFL. He came because of (future) dollars. So I guess I have to ask myself - how is letting them profit now off their likeness any different than what they are already here to do?

I can't think of an honest, non-selfish reason that these kids shouldn't have compensation. In the real world, when you generate revenue you get paid. That's how it works. Anything less and I'm lying to myself. I just hope there is a way to make it uniform (no pun intended) throughout CFB so it doesn't become a battle of haves and have-nots more than it already is.

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Mastro16's picture

Thank you. This is really probably the only comment this thread actually needed. 

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shawn kemps kids's picture

I've always loved CFB over the NFL because I've always felt there is a brotherhood and love for the sport. It's not adulthood yet, no mortgages yet, just young dudes playing the game they love. Maybe it's me idealizing youth. Maybe it's me being totally naive. Maybe all these kids think about are the future NFL dollars and I've just convinced myself there is more to college football than money. Maybe glory? Pride? Tradition? I don't know. I hate to question the thing I'm so passionate about, but I guess I shouldn't kid myself. Justin Fields didn't come to Ohio State because he loves Ohio, Ohio State, or the tradition of our school. He came because he thinks it's the surest way to the NFL. He came because of (future) dollars. So I guess I have to ask myself - how is letting them profit now off their likeness any different than what they are already here to do?

Neo, I would suggest you look at the reaction from D'Aaron Fox and Bam Adebayo after Kentucky got knocked out of the NCAA tournament. Fox was a shoe-in to be a one and done from the moment he stepped on campus. He knew he was headed off to the NBA by the time March came around. Most of these kids still do it for the love of the sport, for the brotherhood. 

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neo's picture

I don't disagree with you. I shouldn't imply brotherhood and money are mutually exclusive, I really shouldn't. I've seen plenty of financially motivated competitors in professional sports cry, hug, and unite over victory. But it's over victory...not their state, culture, team, or tradition. I don't know. I've seen LeBron share love and passion in Cleveland and Miami...but we all know which one means more to him. It's his home. I'm sure he felt brotherhood with Wade in Miami...but I didn't see anything in Miami like when he won in Cleveland.

I think a lot of my passion for Ohio State comes from how much that time in my life meant to me (and still does every time I step into the Shoe or VC), to my friends and I, and my family before me. The tradition, and the role it played in who I am today. I want to think that the men that play football for Ohio State understand that history, and are proud to play for it. Not just cross off a few boxes before they can cash huge checks.

It sucks to think the tradition and brotherhood could and likely do take a back seat to money. But then again, would I have attended college unless I thought it was going to result in a career that could provide for my future family and future kids? If what I did in college generated billions in revenue and I couldn't afford much, would I have been okay with that? Am I a hypocrite?

Anyway, I just want everyone to be like her:

"Let's beat the shit out of Michigan. Have a good night." - UFM

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logamaniac's picture

the more I think about it the more I think if something like this were to happen that there would need to be harder rules for schools going forward.  

  • no cycling out players that aren't meeting a coaches expectations
  • an independent medical staff reviewing all medical "retirements"
  • no more exemptions for immediate playing time on transfers  
  • % of a coaches salary or matching the salary that will be paid by the school to the NCAA fund paying for the new player benefits (so schools can't claim money is an issue if they're paying a coach 6+ million a season for example).
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actionstanleyjackson's picture

I just want NCAA Football 2020...do whatever it takes

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Il_Padrino's picture

Absolutely 100% this. 

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BuckeyeBulldog's picture

Selfishly I just want NCAA football games again since that's as close as I'll ever come to playing college ball.
But I do think players should be entitled to compensation when any entity profits off of their namesake or likeness. However I truly think it will become a case of rich getting richer as recruits will now look to schools that get them more exposure or have deeper pockets. I just don't see the possibility of a level playing field for small to mid sized schools if you pay players.
It's also naieve to think that players aren't getting some form of income apart from their scholarships, be it bag men or various stipends from the university.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

The whole amateur vs. professional argument here is moot as under this current proposal the student-athletes aren't being paid to play football. 

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linepilot15's picture

Thanks to everyone that committed. I posted this to see if there were people thinking along the same lines as I was. When I posted this (at that time) there were not many comments about the subject. I apologize to the couple that it seemed to upset that I posted something that had been discussed previously. 

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Mean Mr Mustard's picture

Just don't say you're doing this for the little guy. 

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