We had the N.C. recorded on vhs and for his birthday one year I had every game from that season burnt to dvd for my dad. If we didn’t have the game in St. Louis my grandparents sent it to us from Toledo. Needless to say that particular game has been played hundreds of times in my parents household.
One point of contention. I HATE that people call it the 2003 natty. I get that it was played in January but it was for the 2002 season so, dammit, it’s the 2002 fiesta bowl!
It was the 2002 season so I concur.
As for Fiesta Bowl history, I still have the game vs ND on the dvr and that we watch more often than necessary simply to revel in Notre Dame getting curb stomped.
"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen. I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie
I hate when everybody (especially on Sirius XM) keeps referring to the wrong PI call. ...the one in OT in the end zone that “cost” da’U the title, not the one late in the 4th when Gamble was mugged.
Correct, they lose 17-14 should never have went to OT.
MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS
Also the blatant block in the back on the Roscoe Parrish punt return that would've had Miami starting on their own 15 with 2 min left in game they barely surpassed 200 total yards in regulation.
The better team won that night, despite some incredibly one-sided officiating
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Triv, the problem I had with the no call is it mirrored the same exact in the end zone 1st qtr, OSU DB grabbed a handful of jersey just like the hurricane DB on that 3rd down. And the ref was standing right there. Clear as day. You grab a jersey automatic flag, end of discussion.
The one where Gamble was mugged and still made the catch but it was ruled incomplete? The officials were pretty terrible throughout that entire game and 90% of it favored Miami. Dorsey got put on his ass all night, but it would have been twice as bad if not for the uncalled holding on nearly every play.
I'll point out the same side judge that missed the holding and in-bounds catch on the third down play is the same one that missed the holding in front of him in the end zone. Terry Porter was the back judge.
Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.
And made the catch in bounds.
I drank Dan Fouts Saltiness with my Beer all night. What a biased ass clown.
You win with people.
Also hated it (and still do) when Fouts and other commentators criticize the pass interference play at the end of the second overtime based on review of only the very end of the pass. The official who made the call explained that the penalty occurred earlier when Gamble was held early in his route and only let go shortly after the pass was released. The official's delay in throwing the flag was while replayed the play in his mind to determine whether the penalty was defensive holding or pass interference. Replay of the entire play confirms the call of pass interference was correct because the hold continued until after the pass was released.
Officials confirmed that the call was correct after the game. But Miami fans and tv commentators don't let the facts get in the way of a good whine.
I was watching it with my family and my young daughter was in tears when she thought we lost. I started yelling "there's a flag..." and the rest is history.
Strive at all times to bend, fold, spindle and mutilate.
A big turning point in that game was early after Miami scored and then picked off Krenzel. They had great field position and Miami fans were sure that another TD was on the way. When the defense forced a punt I knew we had a punchers chance to win. They were molesting Jenkins all night and then threw a flag on Gambel for reaching out and touching Parrish. There is a shot from behind the defense on the play Gambel was denied the catch in bounds(that could have ended the game) where Gambel's jersey was pulled way out by a defender with the ref looking right at the play.
I enjoy going back and re-watching that win, except I wish I could mute any of Dan Fouts comments during the game.
Was Dan Fouts the QB who threw to TE Kellen Winslow's namesake dad?
Ua Mau ke Ea o ka 'Aina I ka Pono. The life of the land is preserved in righteousness. (Hawai'i state motto) Aloha nui kakou.
I have to give Tate credit for sticking around at the place he wanted to be. Then he eventually figured his time was over and moved on. Well played in my opinion, and I wish Martell well in South Beach.
I find it hard to believe that anyone foresaw Beilein getting an NBA job, but I do agree that ttun is likely to only go down from here. The guy was made for college coaching.
Really not sure why I read the hyphenated last names link, as it really doesn’t say much. There were a couple of names mentioned that i had forgotten about, but otherwise there is nothing earth shattering going on there.
Remember weve only heard Tate's side of the story.
Agreed, but if it went down as he said I am really disappointed. We sit on here knocking other schools for pulling that type of act, if it happened to him then it just being hypocritical of us to pile on other programs. Will be interesting to see if there will be any response from the program.
I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!
I suspect that the program will not comment. (let's hope so)
OSU has no reason to comment, nor do I expect them to. They let him leave and didn’t stand in his way to go elsewhere and play immediately.
I also see no reason for Tathan to say anything other than the truth at this juncture. If he was going scorched earth because he was pissed I wouldn’t like it, but it would be understandable. Seems to me he is simply saying he tried to make it work and the nee regime sent him packing.
If there was no Fields transfer would it have gone down like this? Maybe so, maybe not, but we will never know.
Im not expecting a response from the program. Nor should they ever comment on a former student athlete.
Why is this a negative in your opinion? Tate wasn’t forced out and he could have stayed if he chose to do so. The coaching staff was honest with him and let him know that, if he chose to stay, he would be at a disadvantage in trying to win the starting job. Now, had they told him differently to get him to stay for depth purposes, I would agree with your take.
I'm not sure about all the talk I just read in this piece about Martel from both the school and what he claims. There have been stories over a year ago that he almost quit a couple times way before Haskins won the job here. Even team mates talked him into staying. I do believe they told him how the offense was going to change.
True (don't know why there a 4 DVs) but I don't think what he said is all that bad to be responded to. I would want a coach to tell me that since things are different and maybe I should consider moving on since I don't fit the mold. This could be very much the staff looking out for him or at the very least keeping him informed. UV to offset.
I have to agree on Tate. This is not the version of events I expected from him and it changes my mind quite a bit. Too bad things didn't work out for him here, best of luck to him.
Not sure why some are now so quick to say poor Tate he tried. I really did not care in the first place - but let's do some math with his understanding of what was going to happen. He thought he was going to be the starter in 2019. That was a lot to assume coming into a program where you knew JT was not leaving early (very unlikely) so that would mean Haskins would have to be only a one year starter and how many would have claimed this time last year that Haskins would be one and done and a first rounder (that would have to mean a first rounder). - to be clear I have no problem with the transfer - just saying it is easy to try and paint a nice picture now.
TNot to mention there were reports that urban and co had to convince Tate not to transfer the year before, long before fields or Urban’s retirement announcement.
Agreed. I did and do feel badly for Tate. Sucks to get that close to your dream and not touch it.
Glad the coaches were honest with him and wish him nothing but the best. Still, sad that it went the way it did.
I lay this fallout squarely at the feet of asshat mcmurphy and the spineless arrogant drake.
"Be a first rate version of yourself, not a second rate version of someone else." - Judy Garland
Perhaps the new coach up north will be the equivalent to the Rodriguez/Hoke fiasco.
May 13th, 2019 at 9:00 AM ^
Lesson learned. Ohio will always win somehow.
Reality has finally set in.
*It's a Softball school.
I regret that I only have one upvote to give!
The Ohio State University - "Haters love us!"
Baskin Robbins? Nah, Haskins Dobbins - KannonMic
I also don't want to sound like a fuddy duddy, but I kind of agree with EB. And yes, I'm a small hypocrite because when I got my first job out of college the first thing I did was buy a new car. Except mine was much cheaper. And my college care was about to literally fall apart.
So Haskins has a big paycheck, and he could have bought a lot of nice cars... something just under 100k no one would have batted an eye at. Lots of sweet Mercedes and BMW's and Audi's. But you only buy a Bentley or Maclaren, etc because you want to make sure people know you are a big deal. If you drive one it's because you ARE a big deal OR a shallow fake.
So while I don't think less of Haskins (who's to say I wouldn't have done the same thing) this is one of those things that wisdom tells you is a bad move out of the gate.
LeBron got taken to task and all he got was a Hummer.
The soldier is my son. The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.
He got that hummer while still in high school. That throws up more red flags than Haskins buying any car at all.
Just for clarification's sake, Lebron got that Hummer because the bank was more than willing to finance it. They knew he was on the verge of being a millionaire.
He was going straight to the NBA so there was no reason to worry about eligibility or anything else that knucklehead critics might have to say about it.
“The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with them while they do it.” – Theodore Roosevelt
I guess am a knucklehead critic then.
There was this little thing called high school eligibility to worry about seeing as he got the Hummer during his senior season.
Banks don't typically make $50,000+ car loans to unemployed individuals living in public housing based on future earnings potential of their kids, you have always needed to have the ability to pay the monthly payments on a loan in order to be approved for the loan, yet his mom was able to ger the loan. This would seem to be the very definition of a financial benefit that was received based on his name. I suppose that the lender, whomever it was, could have written special terms for a very low payment early on, but that too would be outside normal lending practices, which would also be a financial benefit. Just because mommy got the loan, doesn't change that it was because of his fame.
Now, trying to keep an open mind, it is possible someone co-signed who could legitimately get approved. As long as that person is and was someone who could reasonably be expected to do so, i.e. a family member or close friend, this would be okay. Perhaps they were able to show this happened, allowing him to keep his eligibilty in high school for a few days after the investigation into the Hummer ended.
The bottom line is that is has always looked like he got away with one on the Hummer.
To the original point, Dwayne Haskins buying a car with his own money, after he signed a contract, is a whole lot different than what occured with James.
I dont think it matters if he bought a Bentley or not, what would be telling if he pulls up to training camp in it to show off. That would make me agree with that take.
I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!
You mean like Dorn in Major League?
Or Antonio Brown. Although he has proven himself that he could be ostentatious if he wanted.
But really, I dont fault him for wanting a nice car and for all we know he is a car nut. To me buying a Bentley is better than spending a fortune on a shoe collection of shoes you will never wear. At least he will drive the Bentley. I also remember seeing a basketball player pull up in a Bentley when I was in Houston and he wasn't that good. Bentleys are status symbols but not necessarily that pricey for a millionaire. Now if Haskins bought a Bugati.
Paraphrasing because I can't remember the exact quote...
I thought you said we didn't have any high-priced talent?
I forgot about Dorn, because he's only high-priced.
So what’s he supposed to show up at training camp in? Some beater? Or should he buy a BMW as a work car? Does anyone think he’s going to be the only guy with a really nice ride in the players’ parking lot? Gee Scott, Sr. once supported his family washing Seahawks players’ cars.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
Mark Price had a Jeep Cherokee, not a Grand Cherokee....sometime around 90-92. I saw him in it at the Richfield Coliseum. I also saw Brad Daugherty walk by after the game. He is the tallest person I have had to stand next to at a full 7'0. It makes you feel small.
But not as telling as Eli Apple getting dropped off for his first day of 'school' by his mom.
My aim, then, is to whip the Weasels, to humble their pride, to follow them to their inmost recesses, and make them fear and dread us. Fear is the beginning of wisdom. - William Tecumseh Sherman (with apologies)
Or maybe the dude is 22, likes how Bentleys look, had enough money, and bought one.
And youre psychoanalyzing a kid for buying something within his means?
For real. His choice in a nice ride has nothing to do with how he acts as a player or teammate.
Who wouldn't pick out the car theyve always wanted once they hit their million dollar payday? It's not like he spent his entire check on the car.
Sports writer is just jealous he works in a challenged industry and just saw a "kid" buy a car he could never afford.
Sports writer is just jealous he works in a challenged industry and just saw a "kid" buy a car he could never afford.
Yeah... I bought a used Cadillac CTS right after college since my old car died. Always wanted one and I thought I was getting a good deal. Turns out I was stupid but just because the car sucked lol. Would have spent the same amount of money on a newer Corolla or something if I wanted one. If Haskins can afford it, why shouldn't he buy one for his splurge item? Going into debt immediately is one thing. Buying a car that, for his income, is equivalent to buying a nice TV for normal people is another.
It’s a Bentley, not a Bugatti. $250k versus $3M is hardly a comparison.
If I must choose between peace and righteousness, I choose righteousness! -Theodore Roosevelt.
Agreed, $250K after signing a $14.4M contract with an $8.5M signing bonus doesn't seem like all that extreme of a purchase. Plus an endorsement deal with Jordan Brands. If he's smart he'll pull a Gronk & live off his endorsements & invest his NFL paychecks
Assuming he got some extras and the car cost $300M (m as in thousand), based on his signing bonus alone, this is the equivalent of someone making $150M a year buying a car for $5M. Relative to his current income, it’s not a big purchase.
He really wanted my '94 VW Golf .
I don't have an issue with the car as much as having your own logo before even taking a snap.
Also charging a cover for his draft party, then spending seemingly the entire party in his phone with his headphones on.
hey carp, the logo is for his clothing line so nothing more than a brilliant marketing move by DH. He embroidered the logo on his Bentley seats. Such a smart kid, before today I had no idea that DH had a clothing line or what it was called. I did a little research and now I have seen his logo and after all the snowflakes complaining about what kind of car a rookie millionaire buys he just got more publicity that you could buy with a super bowl commercial (almost.)
Kingdom of Pride clothing line
That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
Which makes it an advertising write off.
Don't mind his purchase at all, but just in my opinion, that logo is kinda ugly.
Or it could be that he is a 20 year old that just got a big payday and wanted to celebrate the fact that he just accomplished one of his big goals in life. I dont know why anyone cares what someone else does with their money. Why does it matter? If he wants to buy some "ostentatious" car, why is it the concern of anyone? Not your life, not your concern.
You would’ve thought Haskins would purchase an unoxidized Bentley. Foolish child got taken...;)
" It's real good whatcha done Anthony, real good ! "
Interesting link about the guy who sold his cheating services at an SEC school, with a comment at the end regarding academic quality there:
Like, If I could get a 3.5 and do all this other shit for other people, was it really that rigorous of a school?
Those who dressed Tate in the red suit with the horns and forked tail, go ahead and tuck that back in your dresser drawer.
Assuming his version is the truth, absolutely.
"Now I just write about old football games alone in my room instead of having friends."
You just managed to hurt your cats feelings, KH. Nice going.
Maybe I am inaccurate but didnt Tate himself say he was thinking about transferring before the 2018 season when he realized Haskins was going to start? Something like that. I dont know the timeline but I could have sworn he was having these thoughts before he even heard from the coaching staff.
Either way I never bashed him for transferring. Hope he gets what he wanted and gets to start.
There has been whispers of Martell wanting to be out since before the Zach Smith ordeal. He thought he should play over Haskins which is crazy.
It sounds like we changed systems and the coaches didnt think he was worth the headache anymore. Ohio State was honest and helped him move on. That's all there is to this.
Yeah, they talked Tate out of transferring before the start of last season. But that doesn’t necessarily mean what Tate said isn’t true. He could have been committed and genuinely wanted to stay at that point, given that he could have transferred earlier and decided not to.
He got talked about because he talked like Tarzan and ran away like Jane. I'm not buying his story either, he had to be talked into not transferring previously before the season started.
I don't care that Haskins bought a Bentley.
I also don't listen to 106.7.
I had to run away high, so I wouldn't come home low...
A Bentley, really? Ummm Mr Haskins, Please pass the grey Poupon!
Actually, that's a Rolls. When I lived in the Bay Area a friend had a Roller; old ones that aren't collectable are actually relatively cheap, except for repairs. He would pull up to people, roll down the window and ask them for grey Poupon.
relatively cheap, except for repairs
Just like my old SAAB Turbo
Who is blue, fast and likes rangs? The Dankey Kang.
there a reason it ryhmes with Sob...
LOL for real!
A Bentley, really? A Bentley?
I'm a young athletic guy and just became "nouveau riche," and what do I get?
A staid Brit's "old money" black car?
Come on, Dwayne.
How about a Ferrari, a Maserati, a Bugatti or a Lamborghini?
Something hot with "carrisimo."
1. No inconnu headed up north. Tom Crean to keep it in the family is my prediction.
2. I don't believe the Fox at noon idea. Remember they have rights to the B12 as well. Noon eastern is 11:00 AM Central. Perhaps the writer was referring to OSU-TUN as their best game of the season, not the philosophy for the entire season. This is the time of the year when networks sell space to advertisers. That may be where this is coming from. If I'm selling trucks, beer, annuities, etc., I'd rather be later in the day.
Fox said that at the annual meeting with advertisers. They are indeed planning on doing it every week. You’re right that they’d usually like to go later in the day (ie, that’s how primetime became a thing) but CFB has a dedicated fan base that will be watching those early games. Makes sense for them to carve out a niche.
I think they are making a mistake thinking the time slot has primacy over the teams. To be blunt, OSU will always draw a huge audience, but it is even bigger later in the day. OSU-TUN drew a 7.5 share at noon. Week 12 (chicken shit Saturday), OSU-Maryland was again the top draw at noon with a 3.5 share. I'd argue it would have been much larger at 3:30. It's not just OSU. Fox's other top game was Texas-Oklahoma at noon. I'd push it back as well. Every other week was ABC or CBS at 7:30 or 8:00 such as OSU-PSU (5.3 share, 3rd-largest for the regular season. Alabama-LSU was second with 6.6.)
OSU-Maryland got good ratings because it was really really close at the end and there could have been an upset. Fans will always flock to that. But most objective fans don't care about that game before it starts, which is when you need to plan when they happen.
And I think you missed the point of them moving the best game to that spot. They ARE emphasizing the teams - the top ranked teams are going to playing then, which is what most people want to see.
Let me rephrase: The best teams will draw a bigger audience at 3:30 or prime time than at noon. And if I'm an advertiser, I will pay less for a noon game because of the smaller audience west of the eastern time zone.
Re: the WMD on Notre Dame, I just read and article about some of the proposals coming out which included modern materials and concepts such as a glass roof and spire. Reminded me of the major renovation to The Louvre 30 years ago adding the glass pyramid. Will be cool to see what happens.
is this site becoming a gossip column who gives a flying F**c who's buying what car and why the F**c someone transferred ...lets talk about current things going on with this team....GO BUCKEYES ...JUST WIN !!
...lets talk about current things going on with this team..
I'm down with that, so long as it doesn't involve some sordid Summertime Blues scandal involving our lads. Besides, NoBlue, it really is the off-season- at least for football. The 11W staff can't squeeze blood from a turnip.
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peidiwch â ffycin gyda'r Cymry
I'm gonna take two weeks
Gonna have a fine vacation
I'm gonna take my problem
To the United Nations
Well, I called my congressman
And he said, quote:
"I'd like to help you, son
But you're too young to vote"
I'm gonna take two weeks
Gonna have a fine vacation
I'm gonna take my problem
To the United Nations
Well, I called my congressman
And he said, quote:
"I'd like to help you, son
But you're too young to vote"
Buddy the football team hasn’t seen a football field since April. These are the current things going on with the football team.
Maybe 11W could offer an Off-Season Primer for new fans so they understand there isn't a lot of game day discussion in the summer?
Even aside from my deep-seeded love for noon kickoffs – which is absolutely the correct time to play a football game – this is just a fantastic idea, from a football watcher's perspective.
Of course, this depends on which time zone you live in. Folks on the West Coast ( CalPoppy, NorCal, SeattleLinga, et al) are just now having coffee. If you live in Hawai'i like Silver Haven, heck, you're probably not even out of bed yet. Guess it gets better if you're deployed east of Zulu Time.
Have you seen Pac 12 tv ratings? Folks on the west coast aren’t tuning in regardless of when kickoff is.
Those folks on the Left Coast are just too distracted, Brutus. Maybe Timothy Leary had something to do with it:
"Turn on, tune in, drop out."
But if you’re on the other side of the international dateline where today is already tomorrow, then you get to know before the ready of us how today’s games turned out...
Visions of Vegas betting dancing in my head with that one, Iowa. Or is that possible? The mind reels.
Hey, let's not get into name calling!
9:00 a.m. games suck. That is all.
I'm confused. Are you saying there's something wrong with starting the day with a cup of coffee and some Buckeye football? Sounds like the perfect breakfast to me!
Negativity is a choice.
Buckeyes and Breakfast. 24/7/365. Gets my vote.
Thank you for thinking of us out here on the western front.
Early games (9am) take a bit to get used to, but when you have a full day of family time stuff to do getting the game over with by 12:30-1pm is kind of nice. It also pits the late games at 5pm for us, which is nice.
As someone who doesn't live in the Eastern time zone, I can say with authority that morning football is awesome and should happen more often
You got it GTF, I'm rubbing my eyes. With daylight savings time, we are 6 hours behind Ohio time. Aloha.
I'm fairly certain when he bought the car they looked at his bank account and not his completion percentage. Bad take.
I love noon kickoffs.
That 2002 season was incredible, capped by the classic upset game, which I had the pleasure of attending. And that 2002 D was best I have ever seen. Might not be all that close.
I really do not care about Tate or why he left. Goodbye. I would trade him and Baldwin for Fields every day of the week, if you want to look at it that way, and never was overly enthused about the prospect of him playing here anyway.
The Game will always be at Noon. We can stop debating.
And it yields a rating bonanza in part because it has no competition with all the other big rivalry games later that afternoon and evening.
Yep. I love the Game followed by the Iron Bowl every year. That’s a solid afternoon.
And I still strongly dislike Dan Fouts for being bad at his job to this day. He’s either 1.) Biased, and was pulling for Miami, or 2.) he’s blind and doesn’t know anything about football. The call was about the fact gamble was held before he got to the endzone. Everyone always shows the wrong part of the play (this clip included).
"Well, thats just like, your opinion, man." -The Dude
#1 Well he is biased, the replay they show does not show the actual penalty when it occurred. He had already yanked on Gambles jersey and his arm was wrapped around when the ball was in the air but that replay does not show that and unfortunately that is ABC's best shot , a long distance camera caught the penalty that was a second or two before that shot..
#2 He was rooting the whole game for Miami as his teammate and good buddy with the Chargers Kellen Winslow Sr's son the Warrior Jr played for the Da Oww. And still today the Winslow's are dicks.
I wonder if Danny helped come up with bail money .https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/04/11/kellen-winslow-ii-f...
You got it, Pro8, the Fouts H8 of OSU came from the Winslow connection.
1. Anyone going to apologize to Tate for the thousands of trash comments about / to him now?
2. Why is a 9am football kick good if you are a west coast person. Not everyone lives in Columbus.
Roll out of bed. Watch the Buckeyes play. Have the rest of the day to do whatever.
What's not to like?
Hated the 9am games at first. Now I love them. Drink coffee instead of beer most of the time, but have the rest of the day to get outside.
Love me a good Noon Banger!
It's 11:00 for me and I love it. No alternative uniforms either(OK for other games). I want to see those two helmets on the field squaring off.
As someone who lives 7 time zones to the east, I welcome more noon games!
I am with you 100%
Blessed to be a Buckeye
I'm not sure i would ever advise a scholarship qb to transfer in todays transfer/portal environment. You just never know who will unexpectedly transfer in addition to who you advised. It would be my goal to keep every qb on the roster (respectively) as long as I could.
The downside to noon games is that I don't get much of the Honey-do-List done. The upside to noon games is that I have a great reason to not do the Honey-do-List.
Not sure what camp I fall in, but I HATE noon games. The energy sucks, you don’t have as much time to tailgate, and there is no building of anticipation throughout the day. Elite teams/games should be placed in prime time slots.
Personally I love noon games but I still think 330 is the best of both worlds.
For many of us in the hinterlands where tailgating isn’t an option, noon games are great. Kicking off at 3:30 (2:30 CT) means having to waste time watching some otherwise meaningless and meh matchup waiting for the Buckeyes.
Glad to see that Tate's focus is on winning the starting job at Univ of Miami.
Ive formed my opinion of the kid solely on HIS own words and actions.
For him to characterize his time at OSU by saying he never got a chance to play in two years says a lot.
"Woody would have wanted it that way"
This just in: Michigan is a basketball school, but now they've lost their basketball coach.
Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.
Which is further proof they’re a basketball school.
Why is anyone surprised Beilein left? He flirted with the Pistons last year and got a nice pay bump when he stayed.
I love the University of Michigan and I am excited about coaching our Mens Basketball Team next season and in the years to come ! Lets go hang some more banners at THE GREATEST UNIVERSITY IN THE WORLD #GoBlue
— John Beilein (@JohnBeilein) June 6, 2018
There may be no other sport where the coaching impact gap is wider than the difference between coaching CBB and the NBA. The NBA is where successful CBB coaches go to fail.
Mgo has been a glorious place after this move. There is a significant portion of the base there that genuinely has a miserable existence when it comes to sports. They have clung to their basketball success and "academic superiority" but when it comes down to it they all know none of that compares to how bad they want to beat OSU on the football field. I am admittedly too young to really perceive the misery of the Cooper years losing to them but I have to believe this is still on a whole extra level.
Ah, the Cooper years. It is great how Tressel and Meyer have put that in the rear view so quickly, but the agony of The Game most of those years was awful. Especially in ‘93, ‘95, and ‘96 when we were so much better than them all year long. It was truly like a horror movie each year, coming in with fresh hope and anger each year only to watch things slip away. It literally felt like a dark cloud hung over Cooper as he stood on the sideline, looking lost. F you have seen “The Waterboy,” Henry Winkler’s character early in the movie when he has lost his mojo and confidence to the other coach, that was Cooper’s look in that game.
A part of me has some sympathy for Martell, if he was told point blank that there was no place for him, no chance would be given him, as he seems to suggest. But there are a few things that make me wonder how it came about that he was feeling like he was shown the door.
First, at a time when OSU had Haskins and Burrow fighting over the starting job and after Haskins had won the starting job, Meyer kept talking about how important it was to get Tate out there on the field, give him chances. Clearly, they saw a lot in him, but I remember feeling at the time some appeasement going on. Some discontent about playing time already.
Second, a person in a position of leadership coming to Martell at a time when it seemed likely that Haskins would enter the draft and Fields was not yet a Buckeye telling the only other QB on the team with any experience that he might as well look elsewhere seems pretty harsh. The context that seems more likely to me is a player hungry for and always carping about more playing time got on someone’s last nerve about it and they said, “look, maybe this isn’t the place for you.”
Third, a statement like, “after being there for two years and not playing, I couldn’t risk it anymore” when he spent year one red-shirting behind a guy who set all sorts of career records in 2017, a guy who would set all sorts of single season and single game records in 2018, and a guy who left in June and was starter of another top 10 program by August, and then spent the following year actually playing in several games as backup to Haskins, doesn’t sound like a “team player.” It sounds like a guy who didn’t think he was getting a chance if he wasn’t starting. So, yeah, maybe someone did encourage him to think about going elsewhere. Maybe there was something in that sort of mindset that they didn’t see a lot of leadership in.
I’m speculating here. But I don’t think it a stretch to imagine Martell frustrated on the sideline watching us against Purdue, or struggling against Minne and NEB, and getting a bit resentful for not getting a chance to help. No doubt he is a competitor who wants badly to get out there and play the game and run the show. And he is incredibly talented. But I think there were some “red flags” in terms of leadership and maturity. We saw them in his reactions to Fields’ arrival, and we saw them in at least part of his statements here. I wish him well, but I think OSU made the right choice, choosing to ride with Fields.
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Excellent post, I agree with mostly all of this.
For us, we'll only have speculation, never concrete facts about this situation. Your post makes a lot of sense.
Assuming Tate was asked to look elsewhere, it does beg the question... why?
Typically, the two most likely possibilities are the player's discontent with playing time or treatment and/or the coaches thinking the player's talent either isn't good enough (or else enough of a schematic fit) to retain, or they have some level of discontent with the player's behavior.
In Tate's case, I'm not sure we'll ever have a perfectly clear understanding of what happened, but the picture seems to be clearing a bit, and to me, it points to a little bit of both typical reasons for a transfer:
It seems like Tate worked hard and was a good teammate, but he also rated his talent higher than the coaches, and I'm guessing that when he sat down with Day for a chat to see if they were on the same page, Day was honest with Tate and there was a discrepancy in their assessments about where Tate stood--probably not a big divide, but enough where the prospect of transferring was raised.
For all we know, Tate might have been the first to raise the possibility of a transfer, but whoever brought it up first, I'm guessing that Tate's probably telling the truth that Day didn't mislead him and thereby suggested that it "might" be best to look elsewhere.
Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean Day wouldn't have preferred to keep Tate around or that he wouldn't have given him a fair chance to start, but it does point towards not feeling the need to keep either his talent or his discontent with playing time at any cost.
I've thought for a while that FOX should be counter programming Gameday to cater to the B1G / Pac fans ESPN is actively antagonizing. Would love to see them blow it out into a real game day show and places like OSU giving them prime real estate to set up for games like OSU / Mich while Gameday gets relegated to a back lot. I can't imagine the schools actively firing shots like that, but if we want fair treatment at the ESPN Holiday Invitational tournament the conference needs to cut the nice guy act and actually punch back.
I re-watched the Miami game recently. I'm a big Gus Johnson fan but Keith Jackson was something else.
"Dorsey with enough time to move around and write a book"
"¯\_(ツ)_/¯" - Joey Bosa
"Dorsey with enough time to move around and write a book"
Didn't hear that a lot! Dorsey was running for his life most of that game. I can recall only a handful of snaps where he had time to move thru his progressions.
Did you view the video above about the game? It was said that he usually had time during the regular season to write a book
Keith Jackson was a legend as a commentator. He had so many epic moments.
But by the time of the Miami game, he was also the guy who was on the decline, for example calling our QB Craig Kretzel.
My first day of work after college, I drove my shiny Honda Civic into work with pride. Dwayne, ignore this idiot, take the Bentley through a Rally's drive thru if you are so inclined. He's just pissed that he drives a 2003 Chrysler Pacifica.
I hope Dwayne’s eating better than Rally’s. And not just because he can afford it. Tom Brady ain’t still playing at 42 because he eats at Rally’s. More than a Bentley, he could use a his own Benson: $100k could get him a personal chef and dance coach.
AnotherMichLoss, I have no problems with Dwayne getting new, expensive wheels, but a Bentley? Pau.
Given today's TV landscape, carving out noon as the kickoff times for the biggest Big 10 games makes a huge amount of sense. It sets the expectation of the fans, that there are big games early, and it doesn't move every big game to Saturday night, when it interferes with going out, attending dinners/parties or causes heartburn with your spouse because she wants to spend Saturday night together doing something other than watching football. I'm sure there will still be night games for those of you who like them, but it was getting to the point that other than UM, EVERY big game was happening at night.
I would like to think that if i had Haskins money, i would still have no need for a Bentley or a mansion but the fact that DH does, will make little difference on Sundays. You can be rich and successful, you can be humble and still like quality. There is a deep separation between the fantasy lives our Athletes live and what we mere mortals think we would do with a few extra dollars. DH's story will be written by the good he does on the field and off over the course of the rest of his life. He has an opportunity to make fans happy and make dreams come true for not only himself but those he loves and ideas he holds dear. This writer may think he has a point but until he too wins the lottery, he has no idea what he would be tempted to do. His days of playing football for free are behind him and critics will have a field day with this purchase if he is just average but his future success on the field will have little to do with the car he drives and the guys who pay him and line up with him know that even if this writer does not.
This writer may think he has a point but until he too wins the lottery, he has no idea what he would be tempted to do.
Spot on. And this writer would probably HAVE to win the lottery because he's not likely to earn that kind of $ with bad takes and analysis like this.
the most ostentatious car you could possibly imagine.
Uhh, that would be this one:
Seriously. A matte wrapped Bentley isn't ostentatious at all. It's included standard with the I'm-21-and-a-millionaire starter pack.
I wonder if by moving B1G games to Noon 9maybe the secondary game to 3/3:30), would allow Fox to move up PAC 12 games to to 5:30 and/or 8:30 programming slots increasing their exposure and ratings.
Didn't Urban start to emphasize the primetime games for recruiting? Not just the better atmosphere, but the fact that you can get out-of-state recruits to the game. Noon kicks could hinder OSU in this regard.
FWIW, I like the 3:30 games some I can get my yard work done, then sit back for an afternoon/evening of football.
My thoughts exactly. Getting a recruit to visit is essential and it’s more likely with later starts.
Then again, if the out of state recruit plays in a game on Friday a Noon kickoff gives him less time to travel to Columbus. That would require either an early morning flight and just make it to the stadium or a red eye overnight flight if coming from the West Coast.
A 3, 5 or 8pm game gives a lot more travel time for an out of state recruit.
I like the noon start times for the occasional big game. Seems like the past couple years there were some real snoozers at noon (stuff like Minn-NW...Illinois-Iowa, etc...yawn). Ever since I was a kid I always have a hard time waiting for the night games (this is taking FOREVER!!)
Of course, as a student during the 2006 season, I loved that most of the games started at 3:30 that year (including THE Game). Made for a great senior fall quarter for me. Plenty of time to "get ready" for the games then, so I totally understand the tailgater's perspective.
the whole tathan thing is a mess. kid gets backed into a corner after waiting 2 years and his coach quits, and the public goes instantly gaga over fields, and starts ripping his comments. i feel for him, hope he does well at the U, and now i'm soooo ready to move on. let's go bucks!!
The Tate story just seems that OSU confirmed what a lot of us suspected. On Haskins, I'll agree with EB that the car purchase wasn't the best move. Hopefully he will spend/invest the rest of his rookie contract, which could be his only contract, more wisely. RGIII bought a Rolls right off the bat, so that may be giving EB flashbacks.