Longevity in the Coaching Game May Be a Thing of the Past, and Ryan Day Might Test That Theory

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BuckeyeBen7.7's picture

Ohio State is a top 3 college football coaching position. It has everything you could want as a coach - history, support, facilities, recruiting, etc. Now consider that Ryan Day’s alma mater is a small school who can’t offer anything even remotely close to what Ohio State can, and I see only two reasons why Day might leave: the NFL or some scandal or issue forces him out. 

The NFL could be an issue with Day as Johnny stated, and the fact that he’s coached in the NFL means he knows exactly what it takes to coach there, which could be a plus or a negative depending on how he viewed it. As for a scandal, I hope he learned from his predecessors and this is something that we can avoid, but we thought the same thing for Meyer.

I’d love for Day to stay for awhile, because I think that he’s gonna be successful. Could he be a blue whale? Potentially. He could also very easily be a long lived raccoon. I’d set the over-under at 5-6 years.

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DaytonBuck1980's picture

Good job tying in the raccoon reference.

Still not giving a damn for the whole state of Michigan. 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Good job tying in the raccoon reference.

Bad job not calling it a trash panda.

Memento mori

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PhillyNut's picture

I think the biggest question for Day, as it is for many young coaches at major programs, will be his ability to navigate the time demands on him as the head coach and face of Ohio State football. He is now in the world of 24x7, all year demand for his time and he still has a young family. If he can successfully balance his life then I think he is here for a decade or more assuming he wins enough.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Colortv1967's picture

The one thing you left out is the inherent pressure to win big immediately at big time programs. Not many people can handle it. Meyer didn’t. He internalized that pressure and it created or added to his health problems. If the pressure becomes too much, the NFL is an easy out for Day. I don’t see him lasting more than four years. 

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45has2's picture

NFL coaching as the "easy way out". Laughable. The average tenure for a NFL coach is 4.3 years. The easy way out is demonstrated by Bo Pelini, Frank Solich, Terry Bowden (just fired), Tommy Tuberille....etc. Drop down a division or two and collect six figures instead of seven for a cash run.

Censores irrumasti.

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Ohio State has had 5 head coaches in the past 68 years. 

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Rocket Man's picture

Makes me think of Eddie Robinson, for some reason

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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Extramedium's picture

The reason being that he coached the same team longer than he was alive?

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Homey1970's picture

He coached forever but, unlike JoePa, never left the field with a pants full of shit.

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Max's picture

You never know, he may just have been good at hiding a pantload.

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Rocket Man's picture

Had the same job and the same wife for more years than I've been alive.

Varys: I've always hated the bells. They ring for horror, a dead king, a city under siege. 
Tyrion: A wedding. 
Varys: Exactly.

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Hovenaut's picture

Ten years at one location is rare air in major college football anymore.

I'd love to see that level of continuity, but that's not the reality.

Day's age benefits him (he was about Woody's age when he arrived in Columbus), but being such a high profile gig with the high expectations that come with it...

So I'll just take one at a time then...but I think Day could potentially be one of the best before it's all said and done. 

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Extramedium's picture

That's the main downside to getting a job of this profile at such a young age,.. there are only lateral moves to be made from here if he's successful, unless he has interest in the NFL.

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MountainsAwait's picture

From a coach’s perspective, you’re totally right...from the perspective of us as fans, (assuming he’s successful) it’s a wonderful thing because there’s almost no temptation of jumping ship for a better gig within the college ranks.

"Thousands of tired, nerve-shaken, over-civilized people are beginning to find out that going to the mountains is going home; that wilderness is a necessity..." -John Muir

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PRO8's picture

From what I can see it has always been rare. From this article about SEC coaching tenure the average longest stays are at Florida and Tenn at 5.1 years with Ole MIss and Ktuck being 3.1 years. It seems to me that a long coaching stay anywhere is an outlier.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/average-sec-head-coaching-tenure/

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Hovenaut's picture

Solid read.

The long tenured coaches at the FBS are a thing of the past - guys with multiple decades at one program (Bill Snyder and Frank Beamer come to mind).

Interesting data on the SEC, I'd be curious to see how the B1G stacks up...and our conference now has two of the longer tenured coaches in Ferentz and Fitz.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

I don't believe that Ryan Day will leave Ohio State for another college job, as long as things go well. That said, I believe Day will be a star and his name will mentioned alongside Woody, Urban, Bear Bryant, and Saban as a great coach.

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Colortv1967's picture

Where is the evidence that makes you think Day will be part of that company? He has a resume of 3 games as interim HC. He might be great and he might not. Wait and see.

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I absolutely agree S 'Bama, Much better results than most expect and immediate improvement.
Next 6 years will be great. - My opinion.

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BuckeyeNut71's picture

Well, Urban Meyer highly recommended Day and called him an "elite coach".   Urban knows more about coaching and Day than I do, so I think I'll put money with Urban's......    :-)

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brutus360's picture

Great piece Johnny. Hiring new blood that wasn't scarlet and gray is risky, but Day has a lot to like. Hoping we get this tenure off on a high note immediately. If that happens and continues he will surely bleed like the rest of us and then who knows.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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NorthBerg's picture

Those of us who are of certain age grew up in a world where one tended to work for one employer for a  career ala Woody Hayes and Bill Snyder. Thus I admire the mutual loyalty between Kirk Ferentz and Iowa. Yet I understand that instant gratification now drive employer-employee relationships  in this day and age. My advice is not to worry about the length of Coach Day's tenure but rather enjoy the quality product that he will produce.

Too much time spent at the North Heidelberg rather than the classroom. SSD 68-72

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BrutusB's picture

That was also when revenues were barely more than high school though. With the new tv contracts and these guys getting paid like Fortune 500 CEOs I’m fine with demanding high results or tossing them out. 

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brutus360's picture

As someone who worked for one employer for 34 years I agree with you NorthBerg. It’s just not like that for the most part anymore. And major sports at universities have changed that landscape for sure.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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kmp10's picture

Before I worry about Ryan Day jumping back to the NFL I'll need proof that he's actually worthy of the OSU job. Here's what I'm uncomfortable with regarding Day... it feels forced. Meyer was given hours to "make a decision," at least according to Gene Smith at Meyer's 'retirement' presser, and when he decided to quit, Day was handed the job, and I do mean handed. No national search for the next head coach at what is arguably college football's top job, and what is inarguably one of college football's top three jobs? No call to Mike Vrabel... a former OSU All-American player/coach who grew up in Ohio and is one of pro football's rising young stars? I'm not saying Vrabel should have been the choice, or even that he would have been interested if contacted... but I think some time should have been taken to make calls, gauge interest, and solicit opinions. Just hand the job to a guy on the word of Urban Meyer? Meyer also thinks Tim Tebow should be an NFL quarterback, preferred JT Barrett to Dwayne Haskins in 2017, believes Earle Bruce was a great coach, and thought it was a good idea to hire and retain Zach Smith after repeated multiple embarrassing infractions. Ryan Day has not led his own program on any level. Thirty months ago he was an obscure position coach in the NFL, and now he's the head football coach at Ohio State... a place that is as far removed as possible from being a training ground for head coaches. I'm not yet sold on Ryan Day, but 2019 will tell all. He could close the 2020 recruiting class strong, go on to win the B1G this season, and then be off to the races, or he could lose the Cincinnati trio to the SEC/ACC, go 9-3 this year, and play an SEC also-ran in a shitty Florida bowl game next January. I don't know which of these scenarios is more likely, but I'm hoping for the former. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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ibuck's picture

Day was handed the job, and I do mean handed. No national search for the next head coach at what is arguably college football's top job, and what is inarguably one of college football's top three jobs?

How do you know that this did not happen? Methinks you're selling Gene Smith short. He may well have had a very private search conducted. There was enough time & inclination to do so. Meyer's health issues were not a surprise to Urban's boss, and coupled with possible disenchantment with Meyer's handling of Zach Smith, may have precipitated a preliminary search last August. OSU may have wanted to be prepared . . .

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kmp10's picture

How do you know that this did not happen?

Because Gene Smith said so. He said he had a list, one that included someone in the NFL and a few guys at the college level, and he didn't call any of them because he was convinced that the next head coach at Ohio State was already working at the WHAC.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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ibuck's picture

Gene Smith . . . said he had a list

Where did he get a list if no search were conducted? I strongly suspect the search firm he hired last time has kept in touch.

and he didn't call any of them because he was convinced that the next head coach at Ohio State was already working at the WHAC.

Are you concerned because Gene did not interview any other coaches? Gene has been OSU AD for 15 years, and has already hired a football coach and both hoops coaches, and many others. Been there, done that, knows what to look for.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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kmp10's picture

Where did he get a list if no search were conducted?

He said he'd made a 'mental list.' No search was conducted, and Day was given the job unchallenged. Again, Smith relayed at Meyer's retirement presser that he (Smith) had given Meyer an ultimatum that morning... make a decision on your future at OSU. Once Meyer informed Smith that he was quitting, Day was notified and offered the job. So, unless Smith managed a national search in the few hours between telling Meyer to make up his mind and offering Day the position, then no search was conducted.

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Colortv1967's picture

I have been saying this since the hire in some form. The only difference is I would have left out the expletive.

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Bigmarty's picture

I love OSU but it seems to eat its own.  I refuse to call the Smith affair anything else but a Media created fiction...not a scandal, where OSU did eat its own.  Time will tell how much a slight slip in recruiting because of UFM's  departure will affect the program and unsatisfy those with the power.  Even one loss a year makes those not in power unsatisfied.  Have we lost top recruits because UFM is not the Head Coach?  If so, how much does that place Day at a disadvantage?  Answers to those 2 questions are utmost in his longevity.

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BrutusB's picture

We’ve gained at least one recruit (Harrison) because Meyer was no longer here. Fields might have come either way if he just wanted Day, but there’s no reason to worry about recruiting - yet. 

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Buck68's picture

Agree there is "no reason to worry" ... yet, apparently, it is not ... uncommon?

We doo seem to 'give' a lot of "might" to... 'mite'.

Interesting theory about how an absence [Meyer] can be a 'cause'... "be cause" ... i say so.  ;-{)}  And an other 'oldie but goody': "he might have come either way...".

"Yet"... agree i'm missing... 'something' ...here.  Shall we name it... "the rest, of the story" and be-come... a veritable Paul Harvey to millions of faithful listeners now looking for another great human hope?

IDK.  But apparently... time i keep on ticking... for now.

Meanwhile, thanks again 'kids'... for going for us... TODAY.

By comparison, i'm often 'on' ... 'my' ... 'off-season'.  So, 'Mind the store' whilst i'm... on... way-cation, colluding with ...whatever...

will ya?   ;-{)}

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Buck68's picture

Indeed, again it do so appear,

we 'really, really' want him here,

As long as he has, 'totally', no peer

in our win stats amassed, so verily, so dear.

Yes, he 'could potentially', 'honestly', go,

if he's 'disloyal' to ME, any Day, I know;

for if he falters with my ego in tow...

i would echo such woe... as i 'sadly', 'let' his van Gogh.

...And much far later, like 'they' say of that painter,

He'll became great after his death...as his memory grew fainter

be cause, we did not know him as he had lived.

we were acquaintances only, of our traditional myths.

But...!  But, each day, it could all become rather 'different',

if, wile on our journey, we each paused for a moment...

and somehow 'came to our senses', ever imminent...

Of a Stranger who would be our Friend... in an instant!

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Steelydan54's picture

VERY NICELY DONE 68!

Steelybuck54

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NoVAsmitty's picture

Really liked this article Johnny Ginter. 

Exactly what I’ve been wondering about. I happen to believe we didn’t catch a blue whale and lean to Ryan Day leaving to coach the Redskins in 2-3 years, ....... after winning a Natl title. 

“I intend to make Georgia howl.” General William Tecumseh Sherman

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Dillon G's picture

Racoons only survive for around 2-3 years in the wild on average.

Or less when they try to cross my road with its traffic. 

#walkaway

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BrutusB's picture

He’s probably here around four years. If he’s successful he’ll be back in the NFL. If he’s going 9-3 he’s getting the boot.

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earthpig's picture

If he's successful and moves to the NFL, don't be surprised to see UFM back..

Pigskins & Porkrinds

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Poco Loco's picture

My memory is not  as good as it once was. I have been trying to recall college head coaches who were successful in the NFL. Only Paul Brown and Pete Carroll come to mind  Assistant college coaches have had more success I believe.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Day leaves inside 4 years itll hurt far more than Urban leaving. We were fortunate this transition has gone as well as it has. The next coaching OSU change wont be this smooth. Keeping my fingers and eyes crossed Day is not only successful but here at least as long as Urban or JT.

"You're the patron saint of the totally effed" - Hot Tub Time Machine

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MercyTex's picture

Enjoy the present.  We have great potential this season, and seasons to come with this coaching staff and athletic department. Please note that "seize the day" is not the same thing as YOLO.  

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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Steelydan54's picture

Great off season grist for the mill!  Don't know what caused Day to come to OSU in the first place. Maybe it was to become a true QB whisperer at multiple levels; to move into college HC world and stay there cuz he loves the work w young QBs; to punch a ticket to NFL HC gig?  If he lives up to our dreams and we pay accordingly, college ball is a smooth ride. NFL even more cutthroat. So I could see Day here 10 years if he's a contender 8/10 and in CFP 4/10. Otherwise most likely back to NFL and a good job there. O-Coord or better. 

Steelybuck54

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Toilrt Paper's picture

Why did Day to come to Ohio State? 90% of the assistant coaches in the country would like to have this on their resume, "Assistant coach for Urban Meyer". 

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Buck68's picture

Hey, Steelydan54 -

perhaps our revelations [don't say 'confession' - that's legally 'too probative'] of the obvious [we don't 'know'...] is ever a great place to start?   ;-{)}

imo, agree with your approach to discussion - rather than forms of imposition upon others - are useful to assessing our motives.  It is both ever revealing about us... and useful to all who desire to see 'us'  ... keep growing.

OTOH... "If he lives up to our dreams..." would our 'aim' ...be a tad less than 'high'?   ;-{)}  [face gets read... don't ask, don't tell... LOL]

[aside... what we often 'take' or 'get' for 'liking' ... is a chasmic difference to 'giving without measure' ?]

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allinosu's picture

If he does start getting some defensive recruits he won't last long. He'll do just fine. Whether it's good enough for everyone is another matter.

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BeijingBucks's picture

I feel one of the things that makes or breaks a coach is their personality with asst coaches. Being able to draw good staff, maintain their morale (or in some cases *cough Zach* their moral,, and most importantly maintain a positive energetic culture that they all buy in to... rinse repeat every couple years. 

I look at Clemson and feel their success is largely due to DC consistency at a high level. 

Im in wait and see mode but will give him 3 years before worry about it

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brothadudeguy's picture

I feel the same way. I believe Day will be great because of how he has handled his assistants so far. He could have kept the same defensive staff but he saw a problem and then fixed it with some good experienced coaches and some young talented coaches who can recruit. I love every move he has made so far with his assistants. Urban was starting to get lazy with his hires after 2014 and we saw a slight decline from 2015 on. 

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gobucks1966's picture

Sometimes polls on here are a little crazy. Who thought Urban would of left the way he did? Some coach's like Paterno hurt his program a lot but never would of been fired and still be coaching if not of what went down or his death. What made me laugh was coach's are fired because they are not doing a good job. Paterno was on the cusp of that. Recruiting T.Pryor was the last player he ever had a in home with. Plus a man of his age couldn't promise he would be there for players career at PSU which also hurt recruiting. Whats funny they fire coach's for far less but PSU would  of never fired him crazy. Day the only thing about him I would love to know is does he have NFL interest? We can't answer that and he is not going to say he does it would ruin recruiting and wouldn't sit well with the brass. I think he is going to be a good one and don't see him leaving for another job on the college level but might not be here long if the NFL comes calling. With his mind in the passing game I see him gone in 3 years tops if he wants the NFL because the NFL will want him for sure.

Denny

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Buck298's picture

I think Ferentz will still be coaching at Iowa after Day leaves. He’s a lifer there. 

Now the bigger question is how in the world has Ferentz managed to win 27 B1G COY awards in only 20 years? 

Send the Earth Reverberating

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Tvcamper's picture

As long as he stays around long enough for them to find a new treatment for brain cysts then Meyer gets rehired and comes back for another 10 years. Just kidding before I get slammed.

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nickel beer's picture

college football has changed immensely

And the fans, too?  Yes and no, and yes-and-no is what I think about Day's probable long tenure.  I do believe this job has been, is, and will be the rarefied stress test for anyone with ultimate HC ambitions for any level of play, especially the additional pressures of accountability for your ~18-22yo off-field 24/7 365 behavior, including academics, for which he's already got good staff in place.  And one thing he's already demonstrated is an O-so tight adherence to criteria for his staff's performance. 

I guess I favor odds for a longer tenure. 

half machine

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