Skull Session: Ryan Day's Swagger, a Promise Kept to Garrett Wilson, and Matthew Baldwin Knows Nothing's Given

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Both excited and anxious to see how this OLine comes together. Studs chance to really beat his chest. He was pretty instrumental in some high profile recruits, and I think we’re relatively deep at OLine. Myers can easily be the next Rimmington winner. Show em what you got Studs!

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

The most surprising thing I’ve read is that the A’s would or do have a dedicated blogger... what a boring job that must be 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Biggest mistake the Cardinals could currently make. Murray is gonna be a bust, they just threw their money away for the next 4 years. GUARANTEED!

GO BUCKS!!! *ichigan sucks!!!

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buckeye1964's picture

i think the cards management biggest mistake was hiring and a listening to kliff kingsbury.

danny

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MichiBuck12's picture

What I hope Ryan Day does and what I expect him to do are two different things. I fully expect there to be a learning curve, and some rookie mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if we had one of those dreaded 3 loss seasons. On the other hand, I hope he just keeps this train rolling. And I think he is capable of doing that. But I don't think its reasonable to expect it. I'm excited to see what happens either way though. 

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

I’ve been using the term growing pains and I expect some but I also expect to see a couple 70+ pt games from this Buckeye team. I expect JK and K.J. to provide leadership and stability on that side of the ball and w a simplified, aggressive, fast D...well, I’m expecting some pts from them too - at least a solid takeaway margin. But as you say, expectation v reality....can’t wait to see this team. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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Extramedium's picture

Regardless of how well this season goes, it only matters if he can keep recruiting up to Urban’s level, and that will not be easy

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BuckInNashville's picture

Here’s why I don’t expect a 3 loss season. Last season Meyer was either not on the sideline, or a ghost on the sideline. With the headaches and need to suppress outbursts, I don’t think Meyer was making decisions or setting gameplans. The coordinators handled it all from August to January as far as football operations go. My concern was not having the legend as figure head for recruiting - and I think Day did a hell of a job closing out the class with offensive lineman and QB transfers after NFL departures.

i absolutely love that ttun fans are breathing a sigh of relief that Meyer is gone, as if OSU suddenly loses the best game day X and O mind from the sideline, and Shea Patterson is going to suddenly break out from being above average in a spread offense. Who the hell do they think called the offensive game that hung a record 63 points on their #1 ranked defense last November ?

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ToTheHouse's picture

^This. We're IN their skunk weasel heads, period.

*Day gonna keep 7-0 tradition...8-0.

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MichiBuck12's picture

I pretty much agree with this. I've said for a while that Urban was the best coach in the country 6 days a week with the seventh being saturdays. So from a gameday standpoint, I think Day could very easily be Meyers equal. Its the other 6 days that Meyer seperated himself from everyone else and I certainly think Day has the potential to match, but I don't think its realistic to expect it right out of the gate. I think a 3 loss season is worst case scenario for this year, and national title is best case. In reality I think it will be somewhere in between. The exciting thing is, we really don't know what to expect. This may sound like a spoiled fan take, and it absolutely is, but my excitement this time of year started to wane under Urban because there wasn't really anything we didn't know. We knew that every year was going to include 0, 1, or if disaster strikes 2 losses. There is more unknown this year and I find that exciting. There is a wider range of potential outcomes for this season and I can't say that any one of them is more likely than the next.

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Extramedium's picture

I certainly hope Day wasn’t that involved in calling zone reads for Dwayne Haskins and the second embarrassing loss to a middle of the road Big Ten team

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Lighteyes's picture

Logically, I can't find a reason to argue with you...but there's a part of me that just thinks that Ohio State has won a crazy amount of close games and is due for some horrific bounces one of these years - Ohio State was an unbelievable 7-0 in OT and an equally-impressive 24-3 in one-possession games. 

Can't really justify it, just a vague feeling that they're due for a year where they lose an OT game, another close game, then have another loss on a ridiculous fluky play.

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Colortv1967's picture

Could not have said it better. I’m in the “wait and see” mode. 

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Knarcisi's picture

And I get it, it's probably a dangerous game to really expect even better than a dude who won over 90 percent of his games, went 7-0 against Michigan and won a natty, but at the same time, let's not pretend there isn't room for improvement. That same guy failed to make the playoff with arguably the most talented team ever assembled, got shut out in a playoff game a year later, and got waxed by a pair of middling Big Ten teams in consecutive seasons after that.

I'm not here to bash a coaching legend, but when you replace someone, you always look for someone even better. And I earnestly believe Ryan Day has a chance to be even better.

I’m with you here, Kev. And probably couldn’t have said it any better. We to be bold. Credit to you for putting it out there. 

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Dominus's picture

I’ve been a Bucknuts subscriber for years and have seen posters downvoted overwhelmingly for saying anything like that about the Meyer era. As great as it was, I too really appreciate the “bold” realistic assessment culminating with the daring statement that there is indeed “room for improvement”. I like the Ryan Day swagger and am really looking forward to this coming season with him as the head coach with an essentially new defensive staff. We’ll soon see where Day takes this team as head coach and I’m very optimistic.

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Dillon G's picture

I love Friday's. I love Ohio State football even more. Garrett Wilson is the next man up.

#walkaway

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Extramedium's picture

Haven’t been there in a decade probably, but It’s basically a slightly improved Chili’s from what I remember 

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Dillon G's picture

I meant this Friday.

#walkaway

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awlinBrutus's picture

To much talent on this roster. The real test for Day is can he sustain this 3 or 4 years down the road. U
now we have a very good coach with nfl ties. You know What that means every off season. Then again it aint Harbaugh

MICHIGAN STILL SUCKS

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Hovenaut's picture

Glad this week is in the books...happy Friday.

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Heard that...but not quite over for me. Headed to Syracuse this morning. My nephew is receiving an advanced degree. I’ll be reppin’ the Bucks though, of course. 

“For me, this is who we are. We have a culture. We work at it very hard. And we’re efficient at it.” - Coach Day

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ToTheHouse's picture

Congrats, it's just *beginning for him. No where to go but Up.

GO BUCKS

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NOBLUE's picture

who's Maffew Bildwon ?..did he ever have one rep in a game ? ....

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mtrotb's picture

Hopefully after today he is never mentioned again.

mtrotb

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blueblazer22's picture

There has to be more to the story of the spree killer. After reading that entire article, the border patrol agent must have had something else going on. Maybe he simply had a screw loose, but what a story about the women who figured him out. 

I am thrilled that Wilson was convinced by last year's throwing stats, but does anyone expect Fields to throw for 5100 this season? I highly doubt it, but hopefully he throws often enough and well enough to keep a talent like Wilson and all the other studs happy. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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soldierdad's picture

Fields throwing for 5100 isn’t my concern.  Can he throw effectively enough for Day to keep going to the well?  The pro style was such a welcome sight last year and the coattails of having top notch WR recruits lining up to come, if Fields can’t throw at least effectively, that’s going to cut deep.

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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TMac's picture

If you need another Buckeye read today, Pete Thamel wrote a piece on Coach Day too. 

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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0H-10's picture

Kevin, thank you for not mentioning that one guy!

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hetuck's picture

1. Day's future is not brumous; new, prominent trophy displays in the WHAC are expected. 

2. To add to the TCU situation, per SiriusXM, last year's starter Shawn Robinson has returned citing Missouri's NCAA mess. He has two years' eligibility remaining. Baldwin may not have expected that. 

3. Imagine being the driver of a car and your front seat passenger is hit by the "Flying Ginsu." Trouser change, for sure. 

4. While Wilson has been building relationships with the top 2021 tight ends and Hartline doing the same with the wide receivers per the Hurry Ups, not a word from the foot of Africa. 2,722 days. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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McGrind's picture

Next new thing...Transfer Portal Time Machine...can go back to previous team or commitment...like my daughter calling for a do over.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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kmp10's picture

That same guy failed to make the playoff with arguably the most talented team ever assembled, got shut out in a playoff game a year later, and got waxed by a pair of middling Big Ten teams in consecutive seasons after that.

...and 'that same guy' quit when things got ugly, just like he did at Florida. Why did things get ugly? Well, 'that same guy' allowed pieces of dirt like Courtney Smith, Brett McMurphy, and Zach Smith to gut the program on a national stage. I saw a new tee shirt on 11W recently... the GOAT tee. The shirt has Meyer's one title, record Vs ttun, and overall OSU record emblazoned on the front. I suck at math, but apparently 11W sucks worse, because how one national title and three B1G championships is better than FIVE titles, THIRTEEN B1G championships, and twenty-eight years consistently putting the program at or near the forefront of college football is beyond me. What's more, the true GOAT, Woody Hayes, would have never in a million years quit when things got rough. I mean, Woody actually had a real heart attack and kept grinding. Meyer, great as he was, is not OSU's GOAT, and that's a fact. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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Buckeyepaco's picture

Had to login to UV

Section C1, Row 1, seats 1&2; Thanks Mom & Dad, September '61

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree that Woody is the GOAT, but he wouldn’t have lasted four years in today’s media climate and/or with the likes of a cowardly weasel like Drake as president.

And, yes, the media, fans, boosters, etc. in the 1950s/early 60s were just as unforgiving when it came to on-field football results (Ohio State was the “graveyard of coaches” for good reason) as they are today - but can you imagine Woody dealing with today’s the off the field trashy “journalism” and SJW crusades? 

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cledaybuck's picture

The school literally voted not to go to the Rose Bowl when Hayes was coach.  I don't think working with Drake would have been a problem.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Everyone loves Woody.  I love Woody.  He will always be the guy that got it done and put OSU on the map as a top 5 program.  BUT, Woody wouldn't have lasted 2 years at OSU if he lived in todays day and age.  And lest we forget, he assaulted a student athlete, which is still brought up any time his name is mentioned to a rival fan.  His exit would have been just as tumultuous as Urbans had the internet existed.

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kmp10's picture

What we can deduce about what Hayes would or would not have done after nearly three decades walking the OSU sideline is this... he would never have quit. Never. Meyer is a great college football coach, and that's as plain as the nose on your face. Meyer also seems to be a guy who allows himself to be get overwhelmed by the noise, taking his ball and moving on when things get rough... and they get rough, in large part, because of stupid decisions Meyer himself makes. Urban Meyer has "retired" three times in a decade(ish), and while I agree that the BoT and President Drake were spineless and pathetic during last summer's insanity, it all started with Meyer repeatedly putting Zach Smith, of all people, above the program. All the absurd accusations about Meyer condoning abuse were nothing more than agenda driven media bullshit, but he allowed the press, both local and national, to force him out, and then largely blamed it on yet another health issue. I'm not dismissing Meyer's cyst, but had the summer of Courtney Smith not happened then Urban Meyer would still be the coach at Ohio State, cyst or no cyst. At the end of the day, there is no way Woody Hayes would have allowed Brett McMurphy, much less Courtney Smith, to force him out. Hayes worked through real heart attacks and diabetes like they were paper cuts and belly aches, and he would have gotten through a scenario like last summer for two reasons... because Ohio State football was that important to him, and to spite Brett McMurphy, Courtney Smith, President Drake, and the BoT. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I'm not in the camp of Meyer quitting on OSU.  I think OSU quit on Meyer.  I'm also one of few that think Meyer is done coaching.  I have been wrong before though so we will see.  

As far as Woody/Meyer comparisons, I think it's a 100% accurate statement to say we have no clue what Woody would have done with this situation.  He let a loss get into his head so badly that he punched a kid.  It's easy to sit and run a program when the only time you see your name in the media is in the Sunday newspaper.  This constant bombardment of information and the lack of privacy can break a really strong person if they are unstable at all.  Woody was, obviously.  So maybe his old school grit would have shined through and he would have lasted, maybe similar to when one loss forced him to punch a kid on the field, it would overtake his emotions and it goes the opposite direction.

Either way, the whole situation last year was tough to navigate for OSU, Meyer, and everyone else involved.  Something that is very at the forefront of social battles in the country was the main contributing factor.  We still to this day don't even have a solid conclusion based on facts of what actually happened.  But Smith used Meyer.  That much is clear.  And as far as how all of this went down, I can imagine that Meyer said he did not want his name tied to something this horrific.  So he was probably planning his exit immediately.  I would have, I'm not going to stay in a position of power to be constantly ridiculed about something that I didn't actually have anything to do with nor do I condone it in any way.  Then you have OSU saying the same thing....we can't have our prestigious name tied to this catastrophe.  So they didn't exactly throw Meyer under the bus, but they used very carefully selected words to make sure they don't admit anything, but still alluded to it being Meyer that has to control a situation like this and they step away and deal with the aftermath.  

Any way, solid post, as I have said many times on here, it's just a matter of two people with two different points of view.  And that's pretty much why these message boards exist.

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kmp10's picture

 He let a loss get into his head so badly that he punched a kid.  

After spending two decades in emergency medicine, I can assure you that diabetic hypoglycemia makes people do things that they would typically never do, and Woody's diabetes was unchecked at that point in his career.

We'll agree to disagree regarding Woody Hayes, AML, but I do agree with some of your conclusions regarding Meyer and last summer's debacle. Thanks for the debate, and plus 1 for a well-stated opinion... I enjoyed it. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

For sure, good Friday brain food before it gets washed away tonight with some bourbon.  

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BbBnD's picture

OSU didn’t quit on Meyer. Even with the assumption that the domestic abuse accusations against Smith were false, Meyer deserved to be suspended for failing to manage his employee. Between being late or absent for meetings and practices, bailing on recruiting trips, inappropriate activities on recruiting trips, and poor performance outside of recruiting, Smith should’ve been fired long ago. His personal life issues were known and they were clearly a liability for the program as well. Meyer let personal feelings cloud his judgement and be made a terrible management decision. He deserved the suspension. 

KMP said a lot of harsh things, but he has valid points.

Also, Woody lasted about 30 years before he was FORCED out  Urban bailed in less than 10  

I'm glad Urban coached a Team OSU and in general I like him.  I also think he’s probably a more talented coach than Woody ever was, but Woody is OSU’s GOAT.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

Again, all valid points for a counter-argument.  But things are different now than they were 20 years ago, 10 years ago, even 5 years ago.  Meyer knew Smith had problems.  He had personality problems along with possibly being an addict.  You can't just fire someone any more if you know this, they can turn around and sue you.

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BbBnD's picture

Yes, it can be difficult to fire someone in a lot of workplaces/industries, but not showing up to required work functions, which Smith reportedly did, makes it pretty easy. They could also easily blame it on job performance. Coaching employment is not the same as corporate employment. Ask last year’s defensive staff sans LJ.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

I understand the hesitation for excitement from fans about Day as he has yet to coach a game as FULL TIME Head Coach.  But this dude has balls of steel.  He doesn't shy away from a single question.  He answers it with authority.  There is no searching for a way to say things, he says what he thinks.  But I have yet to find a single move he has made in the past 5 months that isn't making this team better.  I love summer, but man I can't wait for it to be over.

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Extramedium's picture

Again, it’s not about how he coaches any single game as much as how well he’s able to keep the talent level coming into OSU to Urban’s standards.  He’s got a full cupboard right now, but we all saw how quickly Oregon fell apart.  They even made it to the championship game during Helfrich’s first season

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

This is very true.  We will see all aspects of his duties by the end of the season but the one you mentioned.  Can he keep the talent coming in?  It remains to be seen, in the short term he has done pretty well using the transfer market, and keeping commits and adding quality to them for next year and 2021.  That alone is tough to do through a coaching transition, usually you have a much larger fallout.

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Poco Loco's picture

Would some math genius please figure out the odds of Ohio State, LSU (Burrow), and Miami (Martell) being in the next college championship playoff.

a hard rock miner from Butte, Montana

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture

0.000000000000000000001%  No math, just common sense.  LSU isn't making it no matter how high their preseason ranking.  Miami has a better chance of becoming a clean program than they do at making the playoff.

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Brandon26841's picture

6-6, 260 for Liddell? Typo, right? 

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Kevin Harrish's picture

lol. Yes. He's 6-6, 220, which is a much more realistic size. Good catch.

tampatom's picture

I am excited about this year because I think the defense will look more like TTUN defense did with more speed and that will offset some of the loss on offense which will go thru definite growing pains. It will be more of a complete team than last years, as offensive line and defense will improve and offense will have more balance with run and pass game

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Best wishes to Baldwin at TCU. Garrett Wilson will be a great WR at Ohio State. I am pumped to see what he does in the fall.

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tosubuckeye's picture

We have always been the opponent's "Bullseye" game!! And, as good as coach Meyer was, I believe that year 1 under coach Day, he will take a "no prisoner's" approach. I look for him to be relentless in his quest for points. Clear cut example: In last year's ttun game, with the score 62-39 with nearly 2 minutes remaining, coach had team go into victory formation. And of course, Meyer was very generous to the opposition during the last few years as head coach. Do not expect this generosity to continue under Day. Ttun score would have been 69-39!! I look for opposing coaches and teams to loathe Day. He will instill a killer attitude that I don't believe ever existed at Ohio State. Yes, Meyer's teams scored bucket loads of td's, but Meyer will be viewed as way more of a gentleman than Day probably ever will on the sidelines. Our Buckeyes will be the true Beast of the BIG, both feared and despised. Get your popcorn ready!!!! We got ourselves a good one in Ryan Day!!!! GO BUCKS!!!! 

tosubuckeye

 

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BbBnD's picture

That’s a lot of assumptions based on...? I hope you’re right and I’m not saying Day doesn’t have it in him, I’m just curious about what you’ve seen that makes you think he’s going to do that. Or is this one of those speak (write) it into existence deals?

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LPCBuckeye's picture

Day said something to the effect that he was born to be a HC.  Most of his life has been dedicated to getting where he is.  Of course he will make some mistakes but lets not act like Urban didn't make mistakes.  A football game moves fast with countless judgement calls being made.  No one gets them all right. Just because Day will get some wrong doesn't mean it will cost us a game.  It might, but it might not. 

I really appreciate the paragraph on how things could be better.  I refuse to gloss over that.  A very strong argument can be made that we underachieved after the NC.  We have recruited with Bama and Clemson without the results.  Maybe Day can correct that and maybe he can't but I choose to be optimistic that he can.  He inherited a great infrastructure, culture, and talent.  He made some very good coaching changes.  He has a great offensive mind and has other coaches who have great offensive minds with him.  He brought in terrific defensive coaches who will get us back to being a dominant D.  No reason we shouldn't be in the playoffs this season.  I look forward to seeing how it plays out.        

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Chicago Connection's picture

Agreed, LPC. The cool thing about the upcoming season is that it sets up in  a way that it should provide an interesting contrast (and basis for comparison) between Day and Meyer.

In short, we should get some sense of just how much of a difference Day can make at game time, i.e., can he do more with elite talent than Urban did?

That'll be quite a challenge, but then, as great as Urban was--and he was about as good as it gets--he'd probably be the first to admit that left some room for improvement given the big lost opportunity in 2015 followed by three embarrassing beatdowns on national TV in three consecutive years. 

Is it an unfair standard to ask Day to match and/or surpass Urban's record? Maybe,  but that's the nature of the job, and if Day adds as much to the equation as we hope he might, there's no reason why he can't take the talent on this roster to the next level, which, IMHO, should include nothing less than making the playoffs.

Beyond that, he'll need to prove that he can match Urban in recruiting, which currently remains a question mark.  He done a good job so far, but just like his head coaching ability, I'd have to give him an incomplete grade for now. It's just too early to tell (through no fault on Day's part).

That said, if he gets the Buckeyes in the playoffs or wins a Natty, I expect the recruiting success to follow suit. 

 

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Chicago Connection's picture

I appreciate the Baldwin update, but now... can we stop any future updates about Baldwin, that is, other than maybe stat lines or news that he's transferring again.

No offense, but when all is said and done, the kid never played a down for the Buckeyes; he was a last-minute addition to his recruiting class as a relatively lower rated QB; and since then, the only thing he achieved at OSU is an injury rehab followed by transferring, which is now happening at a 70% rate for QBs.

I mean, there's even a pretty good chance the kid will ride the bench for his whole career at TCU. In short, the guy just doesn't deserve this much ink. His 15 minutes of fame is up, right? Just sayin'.

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HandsOfSweed's picture

Sooooo, about the 2600 year old cypress trees in NC? Legend has it that they used to be Ents and that if you listen closely around dusk, you can hear them very faintly tell tales of Michigan Football Glory. We must save these trees, or these age-old tales will be silenced forever.

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