What Justice Sueing's Transfer Means For Ohio State Basketball

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MN Buckeye's picture

The kid must have some smarts if he is planning to be an orthopedic surgeon. Welcome to the family, young man!

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kiester's picture

The kid must have some smarts if he is planning to be an orthopedic surgeon.

Yep, that really stuck out to me. Sounds like he's a great addition to the team because of his off-court efforts too, as the article mentioned. 

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Dstacify's picture

Smartest athlete ever to play at OSU since Craig Krenzel perhaps (I know his major was molecular genetics when he was here)?

11 Strong.

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IronPastor's picture

Aaron Craft was Pre-Med and carried nearly a 4.0GPA

GEAUX BUCKEYES

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nomatta's picture

All-Academic

the empire never ended

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buckeyeinWI's picture

Nice!  Very nice...

GO BUCKEYES!

16-2 is SWEET!

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stpetebuck's picture

Hell I’ll give that a BOOM!!!

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ibuck's picture

Hoping Justice is coming to help out the Buckeyes succeed and that he succeeds in becoming a surgeon.

Our honor defend, so we'll fight to the end !

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Buctor's picture

Boom!!!

May all his dreams on and off the court be realized!!!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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raiderred's picture

Love Holtman. He's building a roster so well for a team that isn't a blue blood. Such a smart move to get a talented transfer every year. Allows Holtman to coach him up for a year and get him in his system. No national title contending team is ever going to play 10 guys let alone 13. Might as well use a couple on transfers like this. Holtman is really doing an amazing job building this roster and depth. Could not be more impressed with him. Absolutely got a steal from Butler with him. 

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brutus360's picture

I couldn't have said it better Raiderred. Just amazing how Holtmann builds a team. We are going places with him as our coach.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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DP71's picture

Welcome to Buckeye Nation!

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bsk33's picture

I like the fact that he is a lefty. If Carton, Walker, and Ahrens all return for the 2020-21 season, the Buckeyes could have 4 lefties in their 8-10 man rotation.

I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.

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Dstacify's picture

Yep. Now we just need confirmation that Kaleb is returning (which is very likely) and I like the way this team is set up next season. Sueing and Diallo are both great additions to this squad.

11 Strong.

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bsk33's picture

You do realize Sueing won't be playing next season, right?

I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.

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Dstacify's picture

Yes. I wasn't talking about next season in reference to him specifically. Adding Carton, Liddell, Walker, and Gaffney alone to next year's squad is a huge positive to the team along with Diallo.

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bsk33's picture

Got ya. And I agree.

I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.

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Dillon G's picture

It's good to have that player that makes the defense collapse. It makes the job easier for the spot up 3 point shooters. For those not old enough, Steve Kerr in Golden State runs Lenny Wilkins offense that he ran in Cleveland. But back then Mark Price and Craig Ehlo were subject to be mugged, unlike now.

Even Jordan learned pass it when they collapse. I do look forward to some dunks in the lane too.

#walkaway

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laishley15's picture

I agree that they still plan on taking the best available wing player they can land.  They have Keon Johnson(top 30 player) visiting this weekend and I'm sure the staff knew Justice was already on board.

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Kevin Harrish's picture

Yeah, I don't think too many teams are going to pass up on an elite wing in today's game.

nomatta's picture

it means that the COURT IS NOW IN ORDER

the empire never ended

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nomatta's picture

It seems to me that it would make more sense to put Sueing in with the sophomores on the scholarship chart since he has two years of eligibility remaining starting in 2020-2021.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yeah, I had the same thought.

Sani

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Colin Hass-Hill's picture

Technically, he’s a rising junior. We had CJ Walker with the juniors last year too. Like I wrote in the sentence right below the chart, though, it’s fair to view him in the same graduating class as the rising sophomores since that’s where he’ll end up. 

Kasino Royale's picture

The 20-21 season this team will be dangerous. I'm expecting a very deep run.

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Bucky Buck's picture

Sometimes Sueing is necessary to get Justice. 

Born a Badger, Raised a Buckeye

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semperfibuck's picture

Admire Coach Holtmann’s ability to attract quality young men. No chance of any repeat of the 2015 fiasco. On the other hand, I would except to see at least a couple transfers out during the next year.

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Buck68's picture

well...!  I... NEVER!  ...  ;-{)}

Now, everybody that's somebody knows... that if i can't won't see it... it's not there.  Trust me?  LOL.

so, there is no Justice in Sueing... until he becomes a 'star' with 'cred' or impending 'deep pockets'.  Then... 'feel free' to whatever to him, be cause our most brilliant Dear Leader ever, promised he would make "the most ethical administration ever".  Remember?  And we've progressed so much since then....

Meanwhile, Sueing has an entire year+ in 'obscurity' to 'watch' ... for who, says what; and then, who keeps trying to walk their talk... especially when they falter, doubt, stumble, and fall.

Mark his words; it's his life.  And to each as well.  THAT ...is an amazing and awesome, universal gift - freedom.  Not so credible:  how many, feel they don't 'have' it, or someone or something is 'taking it from me' or 'forcing me to give it up'. 

GO BUCKS... in any kind of whether....

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SpielzWheelz's picture

Holtmann loves the southpaws... Thad recruited them as well.

SpielzWheelz

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Nikkibucksfan's picture

Question...How does the recruiting class look? I see transfers. How about recruits out of high school?  How is our coach doing on that level? Just asking because I don’t see much about it.

Nikki emmerson

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brutus360's picture

Nikki, seriously? Click on the basketball links here. Holtmann is killing it.

"Age wrinkles the body, quitting wrinkles the soul" Woody Hayes

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OSU069's picture

Lol we have three top 50 recruits who are all really good including one who is a borderline 5 star. It's our best recruiting class in a while. 

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LPCBuckeye's picture

Add me to the list of those who love what Holtmann is doing.  Roster management is so critical to long term success.  Holtmann has a plan and is following it.  This season we add an experienced pg who has been with the team for a year and will be plug and play.  Next year it will be an experienced wing that is plug and play.  Really excited about where the program is going.    

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wigmon's picture

First, the disclaimer.  Holtmann knows the skill sets of his young players better than I do.  But, I can't help but wonder if this is the best use of this scholarship.

First, in looking at the position/class chart above, IT seems we have the small forward position already covered (especially since I would call Jallow more of a SF than a SG).  Now, if you think Gaffney is going to play more 4 than 3, or that Ahrens and Jallow aren't going to be worthy of anything but role player minutes, then I guess we have a need at the SF spot. 

Which brings me to point 2.  This leaves us with only 1 ship for the '20 class.  Kaleb will be a senior and the only other center is a raw defensive guy.  We also will have 2 pgs, one a senior and one who some think will be 2 and done.  If Carton is a 2 and done, that would leave us with a serious need at the point and post for the '21 season and those are the 2 positions that are most difficult to find frosh who are ready to play at this level, but we will only be able to land only 1 or the other in the '20 class. 

Lastly, was this point made above: "Since Sueing will redshirt, he'll eventually be part of the class of rising sophomores – Justin Ahrens, Luther Muhammad and Duane Washington Jr. ".  We are going to lose 4 guys at one time that are 2's and 3's, your perimeter shooting/scoring positions.  That could make for an odd transition in a few years.

I don't really know how good Sueing may be here, but given the reality of or roster and scholarship availability, I have to think the staff believes he will make a significant impact and is a clear upgrade at the SF postition from what we will have in the senior Jallow, junior Ahrens and soph Gaffney in order to sign him and limit our scholarships for the '20 class.  Maybe Holtmann thinks Sueing would be a starter over all three of those and feels the '20-'21 season is one that could be special and is willing to maybe sacrifice a little in the following years to make a run at a title.

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bsk33's picture

I agree with some of the things you are saying, but I think your last point is probably why Holtmann went after Sueing.

With or without Kaleb Wesson as a senior, the 2020-21 could be pretty special given the guard situation. With no transfers or early entrees out of those spots, the Buckeyes could have a senior pg, a Top 40 recruit as a soph pg, and two Juniors that showed some nice flashes as Freshmen. Sueing is not the shooter of Ahrens, does not have the athleticism of Jallow, the ceiling of Gaffney, but he is a proven double digit scorer and solid rebounder, albeit in a weak league.

The one thing I noticed when comparing the Buckeyes with nearly every team that did well in the tournament is the top scorers/players for other teams were almost all guards and wings.

The Buckeyes have the potential to have one of the best backcourts in the nation in 2020-21. Sueing could elevate the wing position to a pretty strong level as well. If those spots are stacked enough, even if the Bucks have a raw sophomore and a true frosh at the 5 position, I think they can be a legit Final 4 contender.

They may be mortgaging their future a little by getting Sueing, but if that helps them become a Big 10 title contender/Final 4 threat, I am all for it.

I play, coach stays. He goes, I go.

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gr8bucks's picture

I think sueing is solid insurance for whomever leaves, either next year or in his new so. class, and if gaffney leaves after two years. The point guard johnson, in garfield has stated he wants to run 'the' team his freshman year, wherever he goes, a good cg would help him do that, as would a grad transfer. 

It seems like osu is recruiting as if they anticipate at least two guys leaving after this year. They could have 3 guys go, if both wessons leave. They are recruiting everything but a pg this year. So that may be a bit telling of what they are thinking. 

They have several good wings considering osu, but if they recruit a big, or both, that probably tells what they feel wesson is thinking. 

It's virtually certain they won't lose all 4 of the current so. class in one swoop, one or more will likely leave before they graduate. 

I wonder if Beilein leaving um puts osu in contention with the ohio cg, jackson who committed to them? He's better than his 50-60 rating in my eyes. But you still have the Simpson's connection to um to overcome. 

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wigmon's picture

"It's virtually certain they won't lose all 4 of the current so. class in one swoop, one or more will likely leave before they graduate. "

Well, I can't imagine Sueing transferring again and Muhammad and Washington played quite a bit as frosh and should see at least as much time this year, so not sure why they would leave (no SG's in the '19 class and doubt we use our remaining ship in '20 for one).  Ahrens seemed content with his limited role last year (said something to the effect that he didn't expect to play at all last year) and definitely seems like a program guy that if OSU has a strong team that he would embrace a limited role.  I am not saying it would floor me if any of those guys didn't stick it out to the end, but I think the odds are on the side of none of them transferring.

Wasn't Jackson quoted as saying he wanted to come in and lead a team right away as a frosh?  If he were a '21 guy he'd maybe have that chance, but he probably wouldn't play very much as a frosh here.

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