What Does Dan Patrick Have Against Haskins?

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gumtape's picture

All I know is one of the knocks against Haskins was that he got to play with an NFL offensive line and skill players.

The counter for OSU fans of course is that JT Barrett played with the same guys and was just ok.

High and tight boo boo

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buckeyenut74's picture

Isn’t that the point of team play? A successful quarterback always is behind a good line.

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Brah Zhole's picture

All you guys never want to hear it, but I've been down on Haskins as well (not in sum total).  I said I believed Murray was better a long time ago, and I also think Jones is currently better (relax, I know...).

Here's the rationale:

Putting aside all of Haskins obvious positive traits, he has glaring negatives.  He doesn't move well WITHIN the pocket, and once he has to move he doesn't reset well at all.  People say you can learn that.  I'm not sure you can.  Derek Carr sure hasn't.  It's innate.  Murray is one of the best I've ever seen at doing it, as is Russell Wilson, Big [Nope-not-here], Rodgers, etc.  Matt Ryan is DECENT at it.  Can Haskins improve?  I don't know.  

He throws A LOT of balls behind players because he aims.  Not on the long stuff.  There he's pretty outstanding.  Sideline throws are awesome.  But the crossing routes are quite often not the best.  Plus, his back shoulder and tight window throws are still unknown because rarely did we have a single player doublet teamed.   

Bottom line, his short term touch is still an unknown.  That can improve.

I won't get into why I like Jones because I don't want peoples' heads to melt like a peanut butter Buckeye on a summer's day, but bottom line is I would have taken him before Dwayne.

If Dwayne stayed one more year I think he would have been picked #1 overall, and I still think Tua blows.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Dwayne Haskins was the best QB i've ever seen at OSU. This Jones guy doesn't have nearly the arm strength, and quite frankly was horrible against the top teams in the ACC. Sure the experts have been wrong before especially on QBs, but to me the only thing Jones does better than Haskins is run.

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gumtape's picture

He was also horrible against Wake Forest and Virginia.

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huffdaddy's picture

The only flaw I see that I worry might linger: when he has arms in his face and the pocket is collapsing, he doesn’t see the field so well. That could change - he only started for a year - but it could be a big flaw.

not worried at all on accuracy. At all.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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GunnerBuck's picture

Everything you said was completely offset by "I think Jones is better" because it is 100% obvious he was not. Jones is not, was not and will not be better than Haskins by any measure. We keep hearing he played without NFL guys, blah blah blah... then we hear he was coached by Jimmy Dummydick, the QB whisperer. It is all nonsense. Jones didnt place top 5 in ANY category in the ACC, not 1. That's in a conference of 1 NFL QB, 1. That's also in a conference that outside of Clemson is probably on the same level as the MAC. The Giants drafted him because his height, how well spoken he is and his relationship with the Mannings. Period. 

You put Haskins on Duke with the same stats and play and he wouldnt be drafted at all. Let alone in the top 10. I wonder why that is...

As far as Murray, he's overrated. Great athlete and playmaker but he's not Russell Wilson. He's 1 of 3 QB's under 5'11 drafted in the last 20 some years. Not one of them were drafted in the first round and only 1 had/has a legit NFL career. Murray won't be able to out athlete defenses like he did in the B12. He also won't be able to avoid hit's like he did. He's going to get smoked and it's going to rattle his cage. Just my opinion. I think he could be good for the league but I also think at #1, he's too big of a question mark. I mean after all he played with NFL WR's and OL, right? Not to mention in a historically weak defensive conference. 

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

I'd like to upvote this comment 10 times!

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Not sure how I feel about Murray, the Big12 is so poor defensively. I don't think he'll be a bust, but I also don't think he'll be Patrick Mahomes. What I can't stand already is the early 2020 draft predictions that have Shea Patterson in the 1st round. I'm sorry but i'd stay away from him period. If you could get him after say the 5th round that's fine, but putting him near the top? Based on what lol.

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RB's picture

Is that you Dave gettelman?

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buckslan's picture

Uhh.. That's exactly what Kyler Murray got to play with. 4 OL drafted and his best WR drafted.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

And I think that the defenses Murray saw opposed to those that Haskins saw are night and day. Only time will tell but give me the QB with the strong arm over the guy that has to have a gimmick offense to even have a shot.

One thing that hasn't been posted (that I have seen) is Murray gained 20 pounds between the end of the season and the NFL combine. This could be the reason that he refused to run the 40 yard dash and the cone drills. That much weight added just might slow him to the point where NFL LBs and DL will be able to catch him from behind.

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cdub4's picture

Arm strength isn't a problem for Murray. Also the "gimmick" offense Murray played in was coordinated by the same person who ran Baker Baker Mayfield's offense in college. His coach's gimmick offense produced Pat Mahomes FWIW.

At the end of the day Murray will fail or succeed based on if he can make NFL throws accurately and on time...basically the same as any other quarterback who has ever lived. Offensive scheme isnt as relevant at the NFL level IMO.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Murray is 5’8” if he is lucky. Mayfield is taller and heavier. Mayfield and Mahomes didn’t need the air raid offense to succeed, Murray does. Defense is optional in the Big 12, which I think really padded Murray’s stats. I guess time will tell. The cardinals are my second favorite team so I hope he works out. 

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Brah Zhole's picture

Murray measured at 5’10 so he must be lucky

go watch jones vs Clemson. Every throw made. Worst receivers you’ll ever see.

gabbagool

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Look at the picture of Murray and Goodell at the draft. Goodell is 5’11” tall and Murray is noticeably shorter. Too many question marks for a #1 overall pick. 

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Even good teams play down to bad teams. See OSU vs PU.

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cdub4's picture

Murray doesn't need the Air Raid to succeed either, similar to Mahomes.

Murray is 5'10. I am sorry, facts are facts. I am not tin foil conspiracy guy. There is no chance dude is 5'8 yet no one can confirm it.

I am also not into camera angles and pictures. All.I need is a combine height, an MLB scouting report height and that is it. Teams are going to do their own measurement anyways.

Also where he was drafted isn't really relevant to the discussion of whether or not he will succeed. Nobody knows what his NFL career will be like, we are all just guessing. I like what I saw from Murray in college. JMO.

Mahomes and Mayfield also played in the Big 12 so there stats were padded also, just like Murray. Similar offensive schemes for all 3. Facts are facts.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

We may never know Murray's actual height because NFL teams tend to pad/change the heights/weights of its players (colleges also).

IMO, Murray does need the Air Raid offense to succeed. The OL splits are much wider and tends to create more wide open lanes for the QB to throw. Mahomes is 6'3" tall...if Murray was that height I really wouldn't worry either. I know that there are conspiracy theorists throwing things out there about his measurables at the combine. Players are measured in their stocking feet and the theory is that Murray had padding between his socks and feet (he wouldn't be the first to do that). Moot point now since the Cardinals weren't concerned with his height apparently. 

The picture at the combine is from the front with Murray in a hat. He is still shorter than Goodell. Again, this point is moot since the Cardinals are okay with his height.

I also like what I see from Murray in college, even though the only real defense he saw all year long held him in check. My biggest concerns with Murray is his maturity and ability to lead a team of veterans and earn their respect. I just don't see him as a leader and someone who will take charge in a huddle/game in the NFL. Again, only time will tell. 

My biggest concern about Murray is what really raised red flags for me. He played at 185 pounds in college. He looked fast and shifty on the field. He put on 20 pounds in the months leading up to the combine because NFL teams were worried about his "small stature". At 20 pounds heavier, he refused to run the 40 yard dash or any of the physical drills associated with quickness and explosiveness at the NFL combine or the Oklahoma Pro Day. I just wonder if the extra weight slowed him down enough that teams would have been concerned about two of the things that made him successful in college. Props to his agent, though, on his advice to skip everything that may have hurt him at the combine. 

IMO, Murray would have dropped quite a bit if the Cardinals had not selected him #1. No other teams seemed interested in drafting him anywhere near that high. The Cardinals got no offers from teams to trade down as they waited for that phone to ring before their pick. 

I agree that nobody can predict his career in the NFL. As I stated above, the Cardinals are my second favorite NFL team so I truly hope Murray works out okay. Just not sure about it. The Cardinals will probably make the same mistake with Murray as they made with Rosen...play him well before he is ready. Murray needs to sit his first year and learn but the Cardinals GM is on the hot seat so I doubt that happens. As I said earlier, only time will tell.

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bornbredbuckeye's picture

Did you see him standing between Marty Smith and Robin at the draft? Dude is shorter than 5'10".

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CALPOPPY's picture

Dude is shorter than 5'10".

Can we put the shorter than 5’10” thing to rest? Dude measured 5”10 and 1/8” at the combine.

How could he fake his height at the combine? Padded socks aren’t adding much to your height. Do you think he used extra stiff hair gel to give his hair extra height?

He’s still half an inch shorter than Russell Wilson, so he’s not setting any records. Don’t know how or why the NFL would let him get away with cheating on his height. Why do we make such a big conspiracy over it? He’s still the shortest QB ever taken in first round, let alone first pick. That’s something. But it wouldn’t make a difference if he was 5’9” tall. He’s still have the same issues and abilities.

Memento mori

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Reuben's picture

Anytime this conversation happens, I feel compelled to remind everyone that Murray will be playing for Kliff “Hope You’re Happy Going .500” Kingsbury. 

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JohnnyKozmo's picture

I don’t agree with picking him #1, and I know it’s only 1 game, but it’s not like Alabama slowed him down at all.  Much better defense than the B12

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Alabama went up 28-0 in the first half and put it on cruise control from there. Murray padded his stats after the game was well in Alabama's control. Murray had a QB rating of 72.1 for the game and only completed 50% of his passes. 

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Blackcoffee's picture

There is no "counter" because your point is a nonpoint. lol

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MaineStrength's picture

Good question.  I was thinking Rich Eisen is a UM alum, so maybe he's been influenced by his buddy?

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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B1Gspeed's picture

FTFY.

He's a U of Dayton alum.

You're confused with Rich Eisen, maybe.

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ohiowhitesnake's picture

That’s Eisen. Dan Patrick went to Dayton. 

Feed the trolls

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Probably just residual anti-OSU sentiment from his time at ESPN

Shandy is not beer

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Tritz50's picture

I listen to DP everyday and never did he say he thought Haskins was the worst of the 4.  Opposite actually he usually touted Haskins as the best QB in the draft class.  He has been critical today of Haskins reaction to dropping but going into the draft he never said Haskins wasn't a first round QB.

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LTWilliams's picture

Yeah, I try to listen daily and I've never heard him say Haskins wasn't a first round QB. 

It is a bit hypocritical to slam Haskins reaction but praise Rodgers. Though we have to admit that Dwayne seemed completely uninterested in Washington (who can blame) and that wasn't the best look.

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FormerBuck's picture

Was gonna say the same thing. I listen to DP every day and he said many times he actually thought Haskins was the best QB in the draft. He said he wouldn’t be the first taken but that in his opinion he would have the best pro career. 

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Man, some of you work way to hard to find and mis-play the disrespect card.

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CALPOPPY's picture

Didn’t listen to DP today but I have never heard him drag on Haskins. And they raged raved about him last week when he interviewed with DP. I don’t remember him stating that Haskins was the worst of the four QBs.

Guess that just shows how we all perceive interviews in different ways. I’ll listen to the show later, so I’ll be interested how you interpreted today’s show.

Edited raged to raved. Whoops.

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labuck's picture

He had Louis Riddick on last week and all he could do was say how great Haskins is and will be in the NFL. Couldnt heap enough praise and Dan let him speak and didnt offer a word against Louis. He will be in a good spot with the Redskins to learn from Alex Smith and Colt McCoy. 

DP is definitely an OSU fan he just downplays it and says he doesnt have fandom anymore. He will also say he used to be an OSU fan.

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gobucks96's picture

Just going for attention. Lots of radio guys diverge from the normal way of thinking to create a discussion..

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gobucks5413's picture

There was some weird stuff going on about Haskins close to the draft... I thought it was very odd how he continued to become less and less popular. We gotta stop with this bias stuff though... While I think DP is wrong here, very wrong at that, its an opinion about a dude who has never taken an NFL snap....pretty meaningless if you ask me

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Zonabuck's picture

There have been tens of hacks on major radio and TV airwaves who are morons, but have producers smart enough to figure out (a) Buckeye Nation is everywhere, and (b) there’s no fight to big or too small that we will walk away from. If you are starting out and need ratings, troll Buckeye Nation. If you are in mid career and want to build your audience, troll Buckeye Nation. If your career is fading and you have no other ideas, troll Buckeye Nation. It is, was and always will be 100% effective. 

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bucked up's picture

Dan Patrick is a low-key OSU fan. He doesn't need ratings and he doesn't troll OSU fans

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Bengals did well drafting the best OL in the draft....and play for one of the top 3 QB's next year. I think Haskins found the right fit in Washington. Too much NJ drama if he landed with the Giants, and the Bengals needed to beef up their OL before signing a franchise QB.

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allinosu's picture

They probably could have gotten their QB on their second pick. Could've traded their first pick for a couple of second round pick for O-lineman.

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huffdaddy's picture

Welp, either Haskins is going to be awesome or he isn't. And all the talk in the world won't impact that. 

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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The Rill Dill's picture

......to add to that, who really cares if Dan Patrick (or anyone else) likes or dislikes Dwayne Haskins (or anyone else)?

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Danzkjold's picture

I don’t watch or listen to anyone outside of the local beat because A. They need takes, good or bad, to drum up clicks and ratings and are generally dismissive of reality B. Have no idea what they’re talking about since their job would seemingly require them to know every detail of every major sport which is probably impossible, and most of them obviously don’t give a fuck because they are never held accountable for their bullshit and insincere takes. 

That said, I’ve seen Giants fans come to defend Jones > Haskins because of OSU’s completely dominant world beating offensive line that was god tier all season without a hitch and Haskins never faced pressure in any game, ever. Which, ya know, is all completely true. He actually did have some very talented receivers. Therefore, Haskins = garbage. That is a take I’ve seen circulated, and there are accounts specifically showing two plays where Haskins faced no pressure. Two snaps is basically the equivalent of seeing literally the entire season, which is why the Giants took Jones, based on 3 series in the senior bowl and because Haskins played in the big 12, as is common knowledge, especially among scouts that are responsible for drafting people in the 1st round; a decision that will warrant no less than about 40 million dollars. It’s legitimately a good thing. There are a few places where you can be an absolute trash heap at doing your damn job and the NFL is one of the places; sports radio, is another. 

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Spartan13's picture

I don't know how you can be upset about Jonah Williams, we got by far the best tackle in football who is only 21 years old and a great head on his shoulders at 11

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Brah Zhole's picture

I'll bet you right now that guy doesnt' end up being the best tackle in this draft.  

gabbagool

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Not ideal size for a tackle. Don't know what his wing span is but his height translates more to a guard than a left tackle.

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xbuceye's picture

I think it's because he used to work for ESPN.

There are many people on here that will swear that you must sign documents that you'll hate Ohio State and say disparaging remarks whenever the opportunity presents itself about Ohio State.

For ever and ever.

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stuckupnorth's picture

just about every football player that doesn't go #1 says they are gonna make everyone who didn't draft them pay. They will also keep track of which teams didn't draft them. They may even choose a number to represent the number of teams. Talk is cheap.Josh Rosen said it last year(jury still out on that one). Haskins needs to do whatever everyone else who is starting a new job needs to do. Shut Up, pay attention, keep your mouth shut and ears open. Get acclimated to the pro life and go try and be the best football player you can be. The media and interviews or bumping your gums are not gonna help you learn the playbook, read the defense, or build chemistry with your team mates. I think if Haskins keeps low and grinds he has a phenomenal chance in front of him.He has all the talent in the world, now can he put the mental part with it? This is key with all players not just him.FWIW I'm gonna draft him in my dynasty league.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Honestly, who listens to Dan Patrick anyway?  Was his show ever good?  That show has always been a snoozefest; and he's a fake and phony as they come.  Who cares what he thinks, he's always been anti-OSU.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CALPOPPY's picture

Honestly, who listens to Dan Patrick anyway?  Was his show ever good?  That show has always been a snoozefest; and he's a fake and phony as they come.  Who cares what he thinks, he's always been anti-OSU.

I listen everyday and have always found it interesting. DP is a great interviewer and the show is funny. I think he’s a pretty genuine dude, so just another example of how we all perceive people and situations differently.

And he’s definitely not anti-OSU. He talks about how he grew up rooting for the Buckeyes but tried to be impartial once he became a national commentator. And I think he’s fair to all teams.

I’ll be sad when DP leaves the air.

Memento mori

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McGrind's picture

Cal should leave it to the guys who never listen to say how anti-buckeye Dan is. Haskins will be fine...close to home and with a team and a fan base that really wanted him. Jones has a bad start or two and the NY media will devour him. 

ttun 2019 offense...same pig, different lipstick.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Earlier in his radio career he sure seemed to mock OSU, but that's ok.  That's not really an issue to me.  To me he's plastic which is typical in the industry though. 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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armstrong351's picture

Last I checked he had the number 2 most listened to sports radio show in the US behind The Herd...someone's listening.

I listen to him religiously every day on the app (podcast) and I think he's the best and his show is the best I've ever seen.  It's unique, lighthearted, fun, and you get the most personable interviews that span outside of just sports that make you feel more connected to the interviewee.  I also feel like it's 5 best friends hanging out giving each other hell which is hilarious.

I would encourage you to give his show another chance, it's pure gold!  McLovin is my favorite character on the show!

Good is not good enough, where better is expected

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

I've listened to it enough to offer an opinion about it.  The best show you've ever seen? 

Look, I respectfully disagree.  It's scripted sports radio entertainment which is fine; but it's no different than Stephen A/Bayless/the herd/Rome/etc.  The schtick is different, but that's it.  It's still shallow and impulsive like all the rest.

I prefer local guys who are less superficial and tend to talk more about actual sports.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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CALPOPPY's picture

Look, I respectfully disagree.

Didn’t seem that way.

I’m fine with not everyone liking Dan Patrick. I don’t like some people that others love.

I guess you could say he has a shtick, but then I argue say that everyone has a shtick. He’s definitely not a shock jock, though. And I would disagree that he is like Steven A. Smith or Cohwerd because DP doesn’t go out and make points he doesn’t believe in just to get listeners all worked up. That’s why I appreciate him.

I have seen him take stands on issues but he appears genuine and doesn’t take the opposite view the next day. In other words, he has opinions but sticks to them, and they are not to drive ratings.

My view is that you won’t find a much better interviewer in sports. That’s what makes it interesting.

Memento mori

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armstrong351's picture

Yes, the best show I've seen/heard. I listen to the show daily and rarely miss an episode.

Not at all trying to sway your opinion to like or dislike the show, that's purely not my business to influence your sports talk show preference. My reason for commenting was the comment "who listens to that show anyway."

To each their own, but I'm a huge believer in his style and thoroughly enjoy the show.

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btalbert25's picture

I honestly didn't care for the lack of composure Haskins displayed during the draft.  He rolled his eyes as he was hanging up the phone.  His body language was bad, he kept shaking his head.  I didn't care for it.  I did like when he said the League Done messed up now.  The media reacting negatively toward Haskins for saying that, but praising Rodgers for saying something similar isn't shocking.  Some athletes say stuff and society as a whole says "Wow that's great he's really motivated"  others make a very similar comment and it's "Wow, that boy is entitled and disrespectful.  He should be show some class!"  

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Kangarooman's picture

He was probably as confused as most of us as to why everyone jumps through hoops to discredit his production while every pundit made a million excuses for a middling Duke quarterback with a weaker arm.

It's fucking indefensible and he handled it better than most men.

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Rockfordbuckeye's picture

Right or wrong I get the feeling that some will never support Haskins because he only started one year. I definitely think some people feel he can’t possibly be as good as he was or be experienced enough so quickly. It’s like being the new guy at work and coming in young and being better than everyone - can really ruffle feathers. 

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kmp10's picture

Anyone who holds Chrissy Teigen in high regard, as Dan Patrick does, isn't worth listening to. 

When I die, sprinkle my ashes over the 70's 

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CALPOPPY's picture

Anyone who holds Chrissy Teigen in high regard, as Dan Patrick does, isn't worth listening to. 

Shits fired! lol

...but he has John Legend on quite often, so that’s good.

Memento mori

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OSU56's picture

Enjoying daily the 62-39 ttun beatdown.

 

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Tritz50's picture

As all you die-hard Anti-Dan Patrick listeners know Dan was on the OSU sideline for The Game, but clearly he hates OSU

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Keyser Soze's picture

Guys,

I used to work with ESPN and covered a couple of Super Bowls with Dan and the first time we met I had on my block O Woody hat and when Sterling Sharp introduced us he didn't say hi I'm Dan he said O-H!! 

He is a huge Buckeye fan and we talked Ohio State for probably 3-4 hours over the course of 5 weeks that I spent working with him over a couple years. He does tone it down on air but to keep a job as talent you have to be impartial unless you are an sec guy since espn does own the sec network.

That's how winners play. We convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.

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tcm1968's picture

Dan likes Ohio State... I'd imagine it's a number of things. You mentioned Aaron Rodgers and that's a dude every day fewer and fewer people seem to like. His family basically disowned him at one point. Not comparing Rodgers to Haskins but the camera is always on and a lot of people didn't like how Haskins handled the draft. Haskins didn't do a great job leading up to draft either of reports of being too worried about his brand and not doing great in final interviews... 

Haskins said and did all the right things at Ohio State and then he leaves and it turns into "check out my new management company with my Dad".. and "this is the offense I think we should run with me at QB".. and then the draft stuff with the faces and such. I'd imagine as someone who likes the Buckeyes that stuff just rubbed Patrick the wrong way and he's probably privy to a lot of stuff that hasn't leaked out that caused Haskins to drop in the draft... 

Compare how Terry McLaurin handled draft day and his phone call vs Haskins... McLaurin was pure class...  if Haskins played for the team up north we'd be laughing are asses off at "The league done messed up"...

The other thing is you can't ever be a college QB again. You are ALWAYS going to sour on some folks when you take the paycheck vs thinking long term. There will always and forever be a part of the fanbase that thinks guys shouldn't leave early.. always.. 

Haskins would have been a lock for top 5 Heisman if he came back, all american, record setting, playoff chasing etc etc and would have improved his chances at playing sooner in the NFL... for a lot of folks, probably including Patrick, that's just a wasted opportunity. 

Go Bucks!

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