Birm is pretty clear this AM that Sherman is not gonna happen. Time to turn the page on him and Jarrett.
I would bet that Al Washington is going to wind up being a great recruiter, but we may not see that until the 2021 class given the late start on relationships this time around.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
Land Melton and Kourt Williams and he'd be doing just fine in my book.
Kourt looks like he's cut from the Devin Bush mold.
Won't appease the starchasers, but I pretty much agree.
Kourt is top 200 on 247
Agreed. Relationships and some wins on the field.
Saw that Jaheim is now listed at 6’3 (was listed at 6’5). Does that make him a LB prospect now? A 2 inch height difference may not seem like a lot but that’s the deciding factor on wether or not he’s a DE or LB.
I noticed that too. I guess the 6'3" is accurate since it is from a camp. Since he still has time to grow I suppose position is still unknown but right now I'd say LB.
I still think he's a hybrid guy. Noah Spence or Jamal Marcus werent tall and Jonathan Cooper is 6-3. Reading from X's and O's guys DE is more about length, explosion and bend more than height.
The Jamal Marcus HS tape was highly entertaining viewing.
If you liked the Jamal Marcus film I linked the film to Dayon Hayes (6-3 250) above we recently offered. While it's not Jamal level ridiculous it's really damn good. Have no idea how that kid is not ranked higher. Regardless if he ends up in our class or not I would hope he gets ranked more appropriately at some point.
It seems like Pittsburgh kids get the cold shoulder unless they take a ton of visits and do up the camp circuit. It's a great city for HS football players.
Jamal Marcus was a one man wrecking crew against Clemson in the Orange Bowl. Too bad he couldn't keep it together.
He’s 6-3? Huh. Who would’ve guessed that he’s 4” shorter than Paris Johnson and 3” shorter than Darrion Henry from that pic of the three of them with Day?
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
If he shrinks again he could bolster Zone 6
Who are our priority guys now that it's looking unlikely we get Sherman?
See above. Milton (Olney, MD) and Williams (Bosco, CA).
How much longer until we get a better idea on the commitments of Kendall Milton, Julian Flemming, and Marcus Rosemy?
Wiltfong and bill greene both were hearing we lead for milton. Everyone in Florida Is still saying the same thing. About us being I the driver seat for rosemy. Not to sure on Fleming. But lead for LV
To me it's been strange that the experts have been saying we are in the lead for Milton but they aren't willing to throw a crystal ball our way.
Rashawn Williams to Indiana. That's a really good get for them.
We offered PA DL Dayon Hayes today. Had 26 sacks and 11 forced fumbles last year. Saw some mention DT but watching his film I'm not sure he'd get that big. Definitely gets after it though:
gleitman also said, Have a feeling it’s going to be a good week for OSU. guessing either there was a commitment or one is coming
Because I couldn't go for 3.
I saw where Gray was planning to announce in July or August. So I'll guess a possible commit would be from Kourt Williams.
Fields of Dreams
i think lv
This is will be short but Jt was not short
Wondering if it’s someone even higher profile than LV. I’m a big fan of his and approve oh him being in the class this early, but in Givlers newest article title(just out in the past five minutes) he says “...Buckeyes could be even closer to landing a huge commitment”
While I don’t want to undersell LV, I just wonder if Givler would refer to him as a “huge commitment” based on the shape we’re already in with WRs, how many even bigger targets we still have at WR, and some of the positions we have that have bigger need at the moment.
Fleming and Cavazos have been going back and forth on Twitter all afternoon so maybe that has something to do with it
If Ann Arbor is a whore, what's Harbaugh for going back to her?
i dont think kourt williams count as a "big profile" thats why i was thinking mid 4 star to 5 star type
Ya the way he words it definitely makes it seem like at least a top 100 guy.
Hmm. Wonder if this was in reference to McCord now that he has committed.
*LB: Jaheim Thomas (OH), Antoine Sampah (VA), Justin Flowe (CA), Jaylen Harrell (FL), Kalel Mullings (MA), Phillip Webb (GA), William Mahon (NY), Cullen Coleman (NY), Mitchell Melton (MD)*
I still say Coach Washington should keep an eye on Findlay (OH) LB Aidan Eubanks. I realize he's from a smaller school, but power lifting 500 pounds and running an NFL timed 4.75 40 are pretty solid numbers.
U Toledo and BGSU are interested right now. Just wait until the season starts and he's out there causing havoc.
Findlay by birth, Buckeye by the grace of God.
I still say Coach Washington should keep an eye on Findlay (OH) LB Aidan Eubanks
I still say Coach Washington should keep an eye on Findlay (OH) LB Aidan Eubanks
User name checks out. Sorry, but power lighting 500 pounds and running a 4.75 (not great for a LB) is not going to get you an offer from tOSU. Neither is Toledo and BGSU having interest. 1 of those three schools is NOT like the others.
Not a highly ranked recruit, who has only been offered by lower level Mac schools... and this kid is from OHIO... sounds like a recruit right up coach days alley
Smaller and slower*
Might be an unpopular opinion, but I wouldn't mind seeing the staff saying no to Mike Drennen from Dublin. I like Cameron Martinez from TSUN a lot more; he's more dangerous with the ball, and he can play defense if the H-back thing doesn't work out.
It's a beautiful day in Columbus, Ohio... and TTUN still sucks.
I've been saying this for the longest, drennan is overrated to me. Martinez would be my top Choice for HB and I also like juthan mcClain
Looks like just a Top-5, Top-10, or Top-whatevs. This dude needs to stop playing around and commit to OSU. We needs more defensive leaders on the recruiting trail to help Lejond out.
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Top 6, Cincy, LSU, Tenn, UK, UGA, OSU
So really a top 4 because he's not going to Cincy or UK. Sounds like a LSU, UGA, OSU battle.
Think LSU is the one to worry about
Losing him to the SEC would be devastating. Not usually a sky is falling time, but that would be just horrible.
Looks like Ransom got a CB to LSU from their insider after his official there this weekend.
Kurelic put a column out tonight stating Mekhail Sherman is not a good fit for Ohio State and they are moving on, and he wouldn't elaborate on the reasoning.
Obviously a UGA lean but typically the #2 school would stay in it until signing day, so something fishy going on there.
Sounds like the staff knows they arent gonna get him and are just leaking out the "you're not breaking up with me, im breaking up with you" excuse to BK
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He said it wasn't a good fit either way not a one way thing. More to the story but he wont say
Seems to me like something happened on the visit which warranted one or both of Sherman and OSU to cut it short. Perhaps there was an isolated incident or he just wasn’t taking the visit seriously.
I seriously doubt that. We lose battles all the time and don’t crap on the player. Something up with these DC kids.
It sounds like he didnt want to come here.
"Not a good fit for tOSU"=Kid is all about the flash right now and will sign w/ the trendy Southern school that strikes his fancy-UGa,Clemson,LSU,Tennessee,Bama,Florida,FSU. Bagmen, recruiting girls, starhanderouter hype-it is what it is-some kids live the dream..............neither PSU nor Maryland was a player for any of the St. John's kids in this class-they aren't interested in hometown connections
It's fine we usually coach linebackers up. Looking at the history, most of them were 3* like Darron and Malik. 5* like Barron haven't contributed yet so its fine.
We used to coach linebackers up.
Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?
LSU just pulling commitments from everywhere now....
Seen that. Antoine Sampah. #2 LB
They still will not beat Bama and meet us in the CFP lol. Feels like they are dropping bags.
It’s fristrating to hear all these highly touted recruits say “really excited to get offer from tOSU” and “tOSU is a dream school”, or they are waiting and wanting an offer from Ohio state and not seeing any commitments... it’s like they collect these offers like fricking baseball cards... the reality is, unproven, new head coach with very limited experience, new staffers on D side of the ball, loss of a legend, I’m really trying to keep it in perspective and not panic, I know we are still in good shape with a lot of big time kids, I feel like this 2020 class has potential to be really good, hopefully we start seeing some more commitments come our way when the season starts and coach day puts an elite group on the field
The class is going to be good. Maybe not as many five stars as we were all hoping for, but even if Meyer sticks around it is not a promise that they all would have gone to OSU. Maybe Sherman would have.
I always find it strange that these guys go to the SEC. I get Alabama and to a point LSU and Georgia. Just seems like, from my biased and mostly paying attention to OSU point of view, that guys are hard to pull away from those schools too.
We are in a weird spot where we have an “unproven” head coach but also aren’t rebuilding. So we lose some of the guys that wanted to play for the legend Meyer but also can’t sell them on “come make us great again” a la Brady Hokes first two classes since we dont currently suck. If we start dialing teams and/or go to the playoffs this year we will be right back in business on some of these out of state guys that are otherwise on the fence.
If the OL steps up and Fields stays healthy, this team should win the B1G. No one has our talent, the defense has nine starters back (and can’t get much worse), and we have a specialist unit that’s as good as any in the country. That puts this season squarely on Ryan Day and his staff’s shoulders. They can’t coach like Fickell did in 2011, which was tentative and afraid to lose. They need to coach fast and nasty. No Mr. Nice Guy. Do that and the recruits will come but maybe not until 2021 because the trend is to commit before the season starts.
I’m expecting the OL to be great. Thayer should take a big step forward going into his junior year. Bring in a grad transfer in Jonah Jackson who I can’t say I know much about, but The bank said he will be the best player on the OL this year. We’ve heard nothing but good things about Josh Myers since last year. Wyatt Davis is another 5 star who played well last season, and I’m expecting him to take the next step forward. Then you have A guy in Bowen who was already a starter battling NPF for the RT spot. Plus we can move guys like Bowen around to give us some versatility.
My only concern is the running game. I thought Dobbins looked like the next big thing after his freshman year, but didn’t really live up to the hype last season for whatever reason. And who’s going to be his back up? Is Teague ready? What about Crowley. I hope McCall gets some work at RB. It would’ve been nice to have Snead.
We will have more talent than any other team in the B10 this year. Once recruits see the results the recruiting will pick up.
Our RB recruiting has been solid enough that even if Dobbins doesnt have a great season we'll be ok. Im interested to see if we can get Milton.
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I hope so, that would be a big get.
O line will be much more athletic and quicker.
Stay golden, Ponyboy.
I'm not sure more athletic because we have been playing 4 guys who were tackles on the line. They will be much more suited to their jobs IMO though, which will make them look better.
I really expect OSU to get back to 2014-2015 road grading at times, then going over the top
Actually, I disagree-the OL will be less "athletic", but nastier and more apt to get low and maul in the run game.
Julian Nixon responding to McCord commitment:
Assuming you meant Fleming here.
I was like we got a new name interested in the Buckeyes. Then saw it was Fleming which is still great news.
Yes Fleming is who I meant sorry bout that
You meant to say Julian Flemming right?
Veni, Vidi, Vici. I came, I saw, I conquered.
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If he commits, it will be Flemmmmming.
Julian Nixon is the love child of John Lennon and Pat Nixon. Somehow they hooked up in the anti-war movement. He also follows college football recruiting.
“In the end we will conserve only what we love. We will love only what we understand. We will understand only what we are taught.” ~ Baba Dioum
False alarm, it's only Julian Fleming
Carry on everyone.
it's only Julian Fleming
LOL. That was very good.
Looks like we are still hanging up there!
wow. thought we were out.
Seems like we are out of it according to the write ups post his visit. Interesting we made his final 2 though. So the only thing stopping Georgia is Georgia. So I’m happy to hang onto that sliver of hope for us.
I would not get too excited. Did not sounds good from most of the OSU insiders. Might just be keeping the drama going a bit longer. He was all in on Meyer but since then it has gone against OSU.
Long time til signing day. Hopefully we can get some momentum back.
The fact that we are on the table is huge. Speaks to how great we are at recruiting. We are in good position to keep pursuing him for the next 8 months regardless of his commitment.
there's always gotta be someone that finishes #2...
For anyone that thinks that 247sports doesn’t have a major Clemson crush, Antonine Sampah was considered a heavy lean there and was a 5-star, he committed to LSU and was dropped to a 4-star. Lol
He dropped because ESPN updated their rankings so he fell in the composite. He's still fringe 5* at 32
That is only because ESPN hates the SEC
Not only that but Sampah was dropped by 247's rankings from 13 to 68 two months ago while Wiltfong had his CB on Clemson and Sampah got a CB to Clemson from a Noles insider just weeks ago. So the entire premise of this post is wrong.
And their rankings are laughably bad. Dropped Gee Scott to #196, have a Clemson OG commit as their #1 OT (who isn't top 100 on other sites), dropped DJ Uigelielei to #50 and Darrion Henry to #166
I tried bum juice once, it was bitterly disappointing.
Why anyone uses ESPN rankings is beyond me. They haven't been relevant in recruiting coverage in years
Is there truth to the rumor that ESPN is going to be rating every Alabama State commit a 5-star?
Espn the Mag just went out of business. I could see something like that happening to their so called recruiting department.
I would doubt ESPN puts much money into the recruiting department anymore. Part time work is probably what they rely on there for the most part. The magazine simply didn't make sense anymore. Scores of them have been shutting operations for 10 years now and all the content in the magazine was already available on the website. Printing a color, glossy magazine is ridiculously expensive.
I'm not sure why ESPN doesn't just use 247's rankings and continue to air HS football and basketball games. It's not like it means anything when they say, "he's #4 in ESPN's rankings." 247 has established itself as the authority with their composite rankings; ESPN is just another number they throw into their blender.
Someone needs to create a database for a composite between Rivals and 247. ESPN completely F's up and skews the numbers on the 247Composite.
What's crazy is Clemson wasn't trying to accept sampath commitment
They signed like 6 LBs last year, and already have 1 committed this year-position just isn't a priority.
You act like he dropped over night. He's been steadily dipping, but he could still end up a 5* for all we know.
Birm says expect Sherman to go to Georgia and Mills to ND.
We offered VA DB and NC State commit Joseph Johnson (6-3 180).
Birminology with Clark Phillips was awesome. Another kid with a great head on his shoulders. Top 3 sound like OSU, ND, & Cal, and next 2 are Oregon and UCLA.
Also said Hafley was his best coaching relationship
If he were as tall as Ricks or Davis there would be arguments over who the top DB in the country is.
IMO pound for pound he is in that discussion.
In other news, for those who think we have it bad on the trail, how would you like to be Notre Dame and get rejected by Christ.
VA OL Jimmy Christ committed to Virginia yesterday.
Josh Priebe (OT from Michigan) committed to Northwestern today. We had offered not long ago. Hopefully this is a sign that the staff feels good about players like Carmody and Rosengarten.
Pat has a solid little class rolling in Evanston right now. Ranked 16th nationally and 4th in the conference, while last year they were 51st nationally and 12th in the conference.
Those new facilities have to be opening some recruits' eyes.
i feel like ohio state facilities just look like dump compared to schools like oregon's and clemson's
GTFO of here
Fitzgerald usually signs smaller classes because he typically has fewer slots to fill (19 in 2019; 17 in 2018; 19 in 2017; 20 in 2016; 20 in 2015; 15 in 2014; 19 in 2013), which is largely due to having fewer roster defections as his players tend to stick around through their full eligibility. He's long had a policy--in fact, a verbal contract--that when a player commits, he expects them to honor their commitment as he will be counting on them as he fills out the rest of his class. He generally gets most of his commitments early and then works to hang on to them. And it's worked: since 2013, he's had a total of three decommitments. As a result, his classes have historically ranked high early but fall as other schools sign more players.
Would love to land both, but just adding one of them and keeping Paris would be a killer tackle haul. Two top 15 tackles plus a project in Leroux is just what we need to fix our tackle depth.
Sorry Urban, Woody is still my favorite
Greg Biggins says he gets a tOSU vibe from Clark Phillips and says if he announced today he believes he would be a Buckeye.
Birm's interview with him...says Hafley is the assistant he is most comfortable with and Day & Cristobal are the 2 head coaches.
At the end of the article he says he wants to commit before his senior year starts and he will enroll early
Anyone with Rivals access want to give the latest scoop (if there is anything meaty) on Darrion Henry?
Sounds like things are trending the right way with Kourt Williams and Clark Philips III.
There were some recent crystal balls for Fleming to Clemson. Is there any smoke there or are we still in a good position to land him?
Yes, no, maybe? Could be something to it or maybe it's just a "Clemson gets anyone they want" reaction.
I'm still feeling good about Fleming based on what we've heard from the OSU related experts.
My take on Fleming is that we're in a good spot, but shouldn't really be suprised if he did pick Clemson.
Bill kurilic said he still feels good about Ohio state eventually flipping elias Ricks
I hope so but I'd also be shocked if that happened. Flipping the #1 DB from LSU, that would be a feat.
He's the only one at this point so maybe he knows something the rest of the insiders don't?
Bill kurilic is one of the only insiders that if he feels confident then something is there.
Yeah I mean I'm not arguing with BK. It's a nice change of pace for him to be out on the ledge alone like that
Exactly my thought haha. BK going on a ledge by himself is noteworthy
I'm going with my gut instinct, and it's telling me that BK is just using the ol clickbait to generate traffic for the website.
DB recruiting numbers doesn't really sound like clickbait
You make absolutely zero sense. I said absolutely nothing about DB recruiting numbers. I specifically said what BK is talking about/doing is nothing more than clickbait, to gain traffic for the website.
Not sure why you got offended.
Why would I be offended? Clickbait is using a title to get clicks. I all said was the title didnt sound like clickbait
Any time Ohio State is mentioned in recruiting news its going to drive numbers
The way we continue to recruit the west coast can't hurt either. If we can land Milton/Robinson at RB and Phillips that would be 4 players out west in this class already with Miller and Scott Jr. Not to mention we at least have an outside shot or are downright favorites for Ransom, Rosengarten, and Atteberry. This class could have a record setting number of players from the Mountain/Pacific time zones.
Hope so. But he might be looking too hard at his friendship with Lejond, who I’m sure is gonna work Ricks hard on a flip. We shall see soon enough. It’s really hard to believe that it’s May already.
It's becoming clear one of the best things that could happen with Buckeye recruiting this season is for LSU to lose 4 or 5 games and OSU to maintain recent form. Players love Coach O, I gotta give him that, but I don't think all the recruits will buy in if LSU can't at least stay in the hunt for the SEC title game.
The bad news is we developed an actual competent QB for them. I doubt Burrow drops more than 3 games this year for them.
Even if LSU did lose 3 games, they still probably aren't winning the West. Their schedule has some tough games. Road games vs Texas and Bama, they get to host Florida, Auburn, and A&M. Then there's a couple of tricky road games vs Ole Miss and Miss State.
Maybe. But not all of the top flight kids follow that mantra. Kids go to Florida State or TTUN when there should be no appeal at all, pretty remarkable actually.
No doubt. They wouldn't suddenly lose all their recruits and I'm sure they would still have a very good class, but maybe not an elite one. Let's say in that situation it's enough for Ricks to flip, keep Henry and Thomas home, and get another crack at Jarrett. Only takes a couple players of that caliber to bolster a class that might be 5-10 ranked to 2-5 ranked.
Well the class LSU has built, don't think he might leave it. If we have excellent DB play and Wade & Okudah look like first round picks, that might help to.
If for some reason, despite the QB additions last week, we go after a QB2 in the class for more depth, I'm very intrigued by Demeatric Crenshaw. We could really use a depth QB who isn't banking on starting at OSU and is content with being an emergency option, like Stephen Collier. I know Crenshaw would probably like to go somewhere with a better opportunity, which makes this an unlikely scenario. But Crenshaw is ranked similarly to how Collier was ranked in 2014 and has a slightly more impressive offer list than Collier. I kinda doubt Crenshaw would be willing to come to OSU as a likely career backup but it's worth looking into if 2QB's is the direction Day and the staff want to go.
I think it's more likely we add a 2nd in 2021, assuming Day discusses it with McCord and he's okay with it. If Fields is as advertised and declares after 2020 we'd be down to RS Fr Miller, RS So Andrade, and whoever we take in 2021. And since Day has said he wants 4 QBs at all times that seems to make sense. A name to look for there might be Ian Kipp at Mentor, no offer yet but Yurcich was in to see him this week.
I'd heard of Kipp but upon reading this tried to learn a bit more about him. Found this blurb from John McCallister on Mentor football from last August. Interesting comment he had on Noah Potter.
"Mentor has a good, young sophomore quarterback, Ian Kipp, who is only going to get better. Mentor also has two offensive linemen in Nick Samac and Ryan Jacoby . They have a fine DE, Noah Potter, who will eventually be a left tackle on the college level."
Potter didn't even practice on the OL, let alone play it, for a single snap of his HS career. This guys is confused lol
I don't know if it's confused so much as he's making a prognostication that no one else is making yet. Stranger things have happened though.
The answer may not be at the bottom of a bottle, but it never hurts to check.
Ehh, this one is just the guy being confused. Potter nor OSU have ever expressed an inkling of interest in him playing OL, there's a non-zero chance he actually plays some at DE this year. That prognostication is on par with saying Paris Johnson is going to be a defensive end in college. In other words, it's literally never going to happen.
Iowa’s Matt Nelson played two years at DE, then two years at DT and the Lions signed him this week as an UDFA with the intention of moving him to OT. Brent Sowell was an All SEC DT at Alabama who the ‘87 Bears tried to convert to the OL. The original #36 linebacker at Ohio State, Bruce Elia, moved to fullback for a season and led OSU in scoring, then moved back to LB. Then there’s Zach Boren, Daryl Baldwin, the beat goes on.
Matt Nelson is 295 pounds. Sowell was 285 pounds. Both of them have the desired size to play on the OL. Noah Potter is 250 pounds and likely won't ever play above 265-270. OSU would have to add 45 pounds to him to even consider playing him on the OL. I'm aware that position switches happen on rare occasions, but I can tell you for 100% fact that Potter will never see a single rep anywhere on the OL from the time he steps foot on the field at OSU to the time he leaves. He's a prototype DE, and anybody suggesting he could play on the OL isn't paying attention. The fact that this guy suggested he likely will play LT just means he has no idea what he's talking about.
Let’s keep the conversation apples to apples. Matt Nelson is leaving Iowa at 295 but he didn’t come in at 295. He came in at 250. Daryl Baldwin came in at 260 and ended up starting at OT. There’s also a chance McCallister got Potter confused with Ryan Jacoby. That said, there’s no reason right now why Potter can’t put on 40 pounds in 4-5 years. I’m not saying he will or that he’ll end up at OT but your “there’s no way in hell” declaration has been debunked.
but your “there’s no way in hell” declaration has been debunked.
No, it hasn't at all actually. Citing 2 or 3 players who made the switch from DL to OL at some point in their careers as "evidence" that Potter could do the same is ridiculous. Both Nelson and Baldwin played offense in HS, Baldwin starting at LT and Nelson playing TE. So they both had past experiences with their hand in the dirt blocking. Potter hasn't so much has practiced on the OL in HS.
And a true apples to apples comparison would be comparing their size at the time they were asked to make the position switch. Nelson was 295 (he was already up to 282 by his RS Sophomore year at Iowa, according to their official roster) when asked to switch because he's already close to OL playing weight. Baldwin was in his 3rd year at OSU and 290 pounds in 2011 when he moved to RT, again because he was close enough in playing weight. Noah Potter is never going to play above 270 pounds because he's a prototype 4-3 DE, and therefore will never be within even 30 pounds of being an OL, so he'll never be asked to make the switch.
I didn't say there's no way in a hell a HS DE would ever play OT in college. That's what you provided evidence for. I said there's no way in hell Noah Potter would ever play OT in college. The similarities between Potter and the players you mentioned stop at "played defense in HS." Almost all of the factors that went in to them changing positions don't apply to Potter at all, which makes my statement still accurate in every sense of the word.
Not sure a second quarterback is necessary in 2020 now, but maybe 2021. I think the new wave is gonna be having a highly ranked freshman or redshirt freshman as a backup. Which is exactly what we would have if Fields leaves early. Plus I think this gives staff more time to convince McCord that a second one in 2021 is necessary so he is ok with it.
LSU has all that talent just to lose 2 or 3 games every year.
I would think they would be a solid underdog to Bama, as well as a slight dog to Texas on the road. They have Ole Miss on the road, as well as home games vs. Florida and A&M with now-experienced QBs (and coaches who work well with QBs), not to mention Auburn, which is unpredictable at this point. That's six possible losses. Splitting those games would be pretty admirable.
Lol our back up is just handing the ball out if the backfield. No offense }LoL
LJ is in NC today visiting DL Jacolbe Cowan and also supposed to visit Kedrick Bingley-Jones. Givler had mentioned recently that things have picked up with KBJ. Would love to land both to go with Henry and move onto 2021 DL recruiting.
The DL recruiting is a massive disappointment so far. It’s tempered by the fact that we’ve extremely well the last 2 classes, and Sawyer is a great start for next year, but it would be great to get some good news on this front.
A massive disappointment? Because we don't have a commitment early in the cycle or something? Or because you haven't heard all the top names tweeting about OSU so you assume we aren't in on any of them? Way too much time in this cycle to call anything a disappointment.
The one position group I'm not and will never be worried about as long as LJ is the coach is the DL.
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im not sure, I think we could get better at DT either by recruiting better talent or a better job developing the guys we have.
The problem is the lack of interest from top prospects. Henry is the only top guy who seems likely to come here. It would be good to get Cowan in for a visit.
Cowan has visited twice unofficially already. His recruitment overall has been silent for awhile now.
it's better if they go all out on DL in 2021... numbers wise and it's just a deeper class
Ryan day the goat....and yes I pee on ttun all the time
You should never have that as your recruiting strategy in any given year. You should want to land multiple top guys every year on the DL. It's the most important position group besides QB and OL.
We're in the transfer portal era. Just bc you have depth now doesn't mean you will a month later.
Jaheim Thomas dropped the 'dream school' when referring to LSU. I like our chances.
How can you be born and raised in Ohio and say LSU is your dream school? These parents ain't raising them the right way these days.
He stated in interviews over a year ago that tOSU was his dream school.
As BG will tell you, any recruting update straight from a kid on record is utterly worthless. It's what they tell people off the record that matters.
Bill Greene with a CB for Jordan Morant to Michigan. Hoping for him or Ransom. Thought Hafley's connections to NJ might help out, but Michigan has some strong connections there as well.
SMDH. Why? I don't get that one. Especially with Fuller moving on after this season.
They have safety recruiting figured out with winning the Daxton Hill clown show last year and potentially pulling in the #1 Safety this year according to 247
I think once we beat Harbaugh again this year he might be on his way out. Should leave Morant available for us to steal him
Need to shore up that last line of D Fence...it was like a swinging gate back there.
Dohn and Gleitman CB's would be better indicators for that region
Michigan hired north east recruiting and DB coach Anthony Camponille from BC. With Don Brown and Camp there, they have some good recruiters and ties to that area.
Their safeties coach, Partridge, has strong ties to NJ and was HC at Paramus Catholic before heading to that dung pile.
Chris Partridge is also a pretty elite recruiter from NJ
Just realized that Vito Campanile is Morant's head coach at Bergen. That's going to be a tough one to win.
Hey if he wants to lose to us for as long as he is at michigan, not win the Big 10, and not have optimal opportunities after his college career, go for it.
Gleitman said this morning that In his opinion Morant is not the top safety in the country. Said he's a top 200 player but not 50-60 bc his hips are too stiff. Thinks he's maxed out and said he would say the exact same thing if he were tOSU bound.
Ironically (though he’s further away) I’ve always liked our chances with Ransom better.
Yeah but the battle with Ransom is harder with LSU and Oklahoma.
Recently offered DL Dayon Hayes was offered by A&M. Still no idea how he's ranked where he is but I am expecting it to change
Also Cameron Martinez was offered by ND. Doubt that changes anything for him and I believe we will land him before the summer is over.
Evan and Garyn Prater both committed to Cincy
Birm article today:
- DL Jacolbe Cowan visiting again, would be his 3rd visit, either at the end of this month or a weekend in June.
- we made the top 10 for Wypler's 4* DE teammate Amin Vanover
In his recruiting question of the day earlier he dropped a sly nugget that he wouldn’t rule OSU out for ricks either. He’s a big proponent of reading between the lines so that plus BK might mean there’s something there.
My personal opinion is no way we get ricks. Then, i see some osu insiders saying they like buckeye’s chances at flipping and it gets my hopes up.
Well when Birm is confident in something it's very good for us bc he knows something other insiders don't. Birm has always been good at establishing really good relationships with certain kids each cycle. Fleming seems to be one of those this cycle.
As for BK he's the most conservative insider ever when it comes to putting in a CB. He only does when he knows something or something has already happened like a commitment. For him to be out on a ledge by himself with Ricks and not changing his CB does give me some pause about thinking we have no chance.
Hopefully it happens
BK can't change his CB to LSU though at this point, can he? I was of the belief that you couldn't change a CB to a school that a player has publicly committed to. This is the reason Jarrett's CBs are still mostly split between OSU and TN with none to LSU. Nobody made the LSU pick before he committed.
He can't and even when LSU CB's were rolling in for Ricks BK never changed his.
Agreed man. Especially with those 2 kind of out there thinking it could happen. Now if Bank, or Givler start saying the same thing we might really be on to something.
Here's the recruiting question of the day article from Birm. Posting some relevant paragraphs from the article:
- "The Buckeyes are beginning to emerge as a likely landing spot for 4-star defensive tackle Kedrick Bingley-Jones, who they’ll host for an official visit in June. Larry Johnson continues to search far and wide for players that fit what he’s looking for, and his history of success grants him some leeway at this point. He’ll find the guys that work for what he does."
- "He’s not a highly-ranked player like Sherman, but the Buckeyes have Mitchell Melton much higher on their board than any rankings service does. Ultimately I think that matters more. Melton may be the only real remaining target at the true linebacker position, because Ohio State is focused on finding players to fit its new bullet position."
- "Aside from Cavazos, the Buckeyes are in a really solid position with Clark Phillips III and Henry Gray, and though they’re not as well-positioned with top-ranked cornerback Kelee Ringo, there’s still an outside shot to make a move there. I am not willing to count out Ohio State when it comes to 5-star cornerback Elias Ricks, either, despite his current commitment to LSU."
Btw I love the tidbit about KBJ. Really hope we land him.
There are 2 things I have learned to never go against regarding tOSU football recruiting:
1) In Larry Johnson I trust, that dog will hunt.
2) Birm is above and beyond any tOSU recruiting insider. I have rode with him for years. He just has the "it" factor with a lot of recruits and when he speaks up I pay attention.
Only time I've seen Birm truly get burned was the DPJ recruitment. He stuck to his guns that a source told him OSU was the leader going into his announcement. I'm glad he's found a good place to write at LR.
Maybe I’m wrong but I remember him saying it didn’t make sense but he was hearing a ton of smoke about DPJ to OSU but didn’t quite believe it. But also didn’t want to discount it because DPJ didn’t really play the game.
That may be the case, I just remember he seemed to be the only person pushing the DPJ to OSU narrative as even a remote possibility
You might be right. But like I said, I feel like he couched it in the idea he didn’t believe it but the sources he trusted. But I get what you’re saying.
Birm was also pretty convinced we were getting Christian Kirk a few years back - which would’ve been nice, by the way.
I feel like he has one of those every year where he is perhaps a bit over confident.
I think he wanted them to get Kirk, and they had a decent chance but I don’t think he was convinced. He was living in AZ (same as Kirk) at the time and so had a pretty good finger on the pulse of that one.
Hes definitely gotten some wrong but so does everyone else. I generally listen to birm, AE, BG, and wiltfong because they’re right more often than not. Givler can be good at times too.
Some positive info that could put the defensive side of this class more in focus if/when it comes to be. Phillips would be a huge get.
We made the top 10 for DE Desmond Evans.
But unless he visits were just a hat on the table.
Offered FL TE Jonathan Odom (6-6 240) is visiting today.
Everywhere I read it seems all insiders believe we take 2 TE's this year likely one out of state and one from OH.
Sounds like instate it will be between Royer and Lachey, depending on which one they feel will be a better blocker.
Did Wiltfong just CB Fleming to OSU? The feed shows it hidden, but the OSU logo loads next to him on Fleming's page.
Yessir he did
Massive! His close friendship with Lejond has surely helped here. Love it! Lejond is a recruiting animal.
Wiltfong said his relationship with Hartline tis he best he has. Trust Hartline to make him a NFL player
Just to clarify, do we care about this Wiltfong CB since its to OSU and not Clemson?
Not knocking you for posting this at all btw lol, just funny that the reaction is all positive but when Wiltfong CBs someone to Clemson it's a lot of "Wiltfong changes his CBs so much to drive up clicks"
That's an uneducated narrative driven by fans with elementary knowledge of the recruiting game.
He had Fred Davis and Bryan Breese both CB'd months before they committed to Clemson and it was just a case of sour grapes.
Wiltfong is one of the best because of his connections with coaches/recruits and people in the know in each area of the midwest.
We may not like all of his CB's but he doesn't wait till the very end to post a CB somewhere. I like that.
Articles have come out stating we lead for Kourt Williams, Clark Phillips, and LV Bunkley-Shelton. So where is his CB's for any of those guys. I asked this previously since people now argue he puts them in on the pulse of a recruitment. Yet none for any of those guys when the pulse says we lead. Doesn't that seem kinda odd?
if anything he's inconsistent with staying in the lane of putting one in when we lead for a prospect.
Have you considered that he might not have good sources with those certain kids so therefore he doesn't have enough info to confidently put in a CB? He doesn't have CBs put in for every high schooler. I think you're just trying to find some sort of anti-OSU bias from him. The dude doesn't hate us. He goes onto BM5 every week to talk OSU recruiting.
Greg Biggins who is conservative with his CB's (he's the west coast BK) already put one in for Kourt Williams and said he was very close to do so for Phillips. USC's insider put one in for LV.
So you're suggesting his own colleagues, with Biggins being excellent at CB's, are not good enough sources? I find that laughable
Edit: it's not even an anti-OSU bias with him. I go on other teams sites and it's the same there too. All I'm asking is practice what you preach consistently.
Why does he have to stay completely up to date and have CBs in for every recruit? There's a reason there are other recruiting analysts that work for 247. If Biggins put in a CB for us (and he's as well-respected as you claim), then why can't that be enough? Wiltfong focuses primarily in the midwest. Wouldn't it make sense to have someone on the beat of Cali players' recruitment just like Wiltfong does in the midwest?
Just feels like you're just looking for something to complain about, imo.
Bc of the whole argument that Steve is the end all be all for every recruit across the country with CB's. What did you think we were arguing?
I'm not looking to complain either. If I was doing that you would know it. If we're gonna go that route I'll counter with it feels like you're making excuses for him. See I can move the goalposts for arguments too :)
My whole point to my earlier posts is that before everyone praises Steve as the Jesus of recruiting predictions that we at least give props and be mindful that Birm and AE were well ahead of him. As they are along with Givler/AG/BG/BK/ etc. on nearly all Buckeye targets. I also think when AE gives a CB it's gets less credence on here than Steve's does, which is a little disrespectful IMO.
Steve is also the Director of Recruiting NOT the Midwest Director of Recruiting. His job is to be national not strictly Midwest based. So If you're gonna argue I'd at least ask you please get your facts right.
Spooner, I appreciate what you do for these forums and the info you relay to us, but you have this tendency to get really touchy when someone disagrees with you on here. And then you disrespect or insult the person who disagrees with you but try to play it off as if it's just a friendly exchange.
I didn't "move the goal posts" at all in my argument. I made the claim that maybe he doesn't have enough info from his sources to make a pick and that he might defer to regional analysts with their picks and leave it at that. And yes, he is the director of recruiting. But, he is a midwest guy through and through and knows the area really well (aka: has good sources in the area). So, instead of telling me to "get my facts straight", how about you actually consider the points I'm making instead of accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about.
Oh I'm not touchy at all. My original post on this matter was responding with Calgary actually but you decided to hop in. So in my head that's when the ref rings the bell for round 1.
You then stated that maybe he doesn't have great sources with the kids. I argued his own colleagues are great sources with local kids and it's foolish to think he doesn't consult with them before issuing a CB. You then said well why does he have to stay up to date on all CB's. When we make excuses that's called moving the goal posts.
I'm not arguing Steve's national sources. I don't care about his sources. My point was that he says he makes CB picks on kids bc that's where the pulse of their recruitment lies. My point was that even under those guidelines he has not been consistent and it's not just our top targets either. Hell I'd bet $1000 that if Kourt Williams was a 5* kid and heading to Clemson or Georgia Steve would've had that CB pick in before Biggjns hit send on the article stating it was looking good for them.
In the end i absolutely considered your points but I felt they needed adjustments. That's why it's called an argument :)
Using smiley faces in arguments between men, yikes.
Lol hey man at least you are more consistent with your trash posts aimed at me than Steve is with CB's using his guidelines for issuing them.
Hell I'd bet $1000 that if Kourt Williams was a 5* kid and heading to Clemson or Georgia literally anywhere in the country Steve would've had that CB pick in before Biggjns hit send on the article stating it was looking good for them
FTFY. No shit he's going to be more invested in one of the 32 5 stars than 1 of the 350 4 stars there are. He's the director of recruiting after all. It has nothing to do with where the kids are going, Wiltfong is going to put crystal balls in for the big name recruits when he hears updates. Suggesting he has some sort of bias towards Clemson/UGA and against OSU is asinine.
Honestly, Spooner, the argument isn't really important to me. It was just a thought I wanted to throw out there. But (and this is just a suggestion) maybe consider being more civil when disagreements occur on here. I know I'm not the only one here that's seen you get oddly and intensely defensive out of nowhere and seen it result in you hurling unnecessary insults at someone. It is possible to argue and disagree without taking personal shots at someone's intelligence.
Umm did I tell you to stfu, call you a loser, or a-hole? Did I specifically call you stupid, dumb, idiot, etc.? No I did not. There was nothing in any of my posts that suggested I was saying you don't have intelligence.
Saying phrases like move the goal posts or politely asking someone to get facts straight is not the same thing.
Just FYI, this is exactly what he’s talking about when he said you get touchy and defensive (in a heavily upvoted post, in which your reply refuting it was downvoted to the point of being grayed out indicating the community agrees with him). You provide a great service on this board, but you talk down in a very condescending manner to anybody with a differing opinion.
It's just a suggestion. You can do whatever you want, man. But, I hope the upvoting by other users on this site on these comments can be an indicator to you that there are times where your wording comes off aggressive and demeaning.
I really don't know what the discussion is between Spooner and Cincy. I just want to say I enjoy hearing from both guys. I really like all the information Spooner has on recruiting. We're all on the same team here boys. That is all. Go Bucks!
Welp if it came off that way to you I apologize. It's hard to convey proper emotion in a post/text. But trust me I'm not punching my fist in the air in a fit of rage as I type.
With that said, I'm not going to change my style when there is an argument or just posting in general. If people want to assume it's bc they feel I'm touchy or aggressive that's their opinion and they're allowed to have it. But I will make sure from now on to make it a point to tell the person it's not personal.
All good, Spooner! Just wanted to point out what I had noticed to you. Besides that, got no problems with ya and, like I said, I appreciate all the work you put into these.
Mentioned the same thing a couple Parts ago. We throw a forum parade when he CBs someone to us, but go to crazy lengths to discredit him when it's to somewhere else like Clemson.
Let's not forget Birm's Boding came before Steve's crystal ball.
I don't have a fancy phrase for AE's predictions yet but checking the CB's he put one in awhile ago so props to him as well.
Ellis Enlightenment?? IDK I tried Spooner lol.
Birm is good but he has been wrong alot...if wiltfong is feeling a way I that holds more weight
I would disagree on kids Birm is actually close with. In any event Steve's trailing both Birm and AE on Fleming's recruitment.
This guy actually said Birm is wrong an awful lot??
STFU. Birm is way more connected with Ohio State football recruiting than about anyone in the game. He was only wrong about DJP WR kid cause someone he trusted played him. Birm and AE have been ahead or even when it comes to Crystal Balling for us for a long time now. Funny how once Birm left us here he all the sudden loses credibility and respect. I also agree with Spooner about we don't respect AE enough on here. Like we take his insight for granted. I will ride with Birm and or AE before I do Wiltfong or anyone else. It's not their job to strictly cover Ohio State football recruiting.
Birm is very connected and I love his reports but the facts are that he has never been great at playing the CB game and he tends to lean towards guys committing to the Buckeyes and often doesn't bother to change his picks when information changes. I don't think it's something he concentrates on as much as others so it certainly doesn't take away from his insight or knowledge. AE is better at the CB picks and the proof is in the results.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Birm got his CBing ability taken away recently for some stupid reason.
You may be right. He hasn't made a pick since late November and it was for Fleming to OSU.
I haven't followed Birm since he left this site, but I remember him writing here that different recruiting people treated the Crystal Ball thing differently. He wrote then that he regarded it as a fun toy and didn't treat his CB predictions particularly seriously. I don't know if his attitude has changed in this regard, but that is what it once was.
I have followed him and he is a lot more objective. He's been pretty right on his opinions about recruiting situations a lot more than on here back in the day. He rarely sees things black or white.
It really depends on the given player.
AE commented in the Fleming thread he hasn’t heard anything the past 6 months to make him change his CB off OSU, also Fleming wants to commit before his senior year although that isn’t definitive. Would be a great recruiter if he commits
DeMarcus Bowman just committed to the fighting Dabo's.
Not sure why you were immediately downvoted, he was an OSU target, but a longshot. I'm surprised he didn't go with Florida.
Clemson is doing what Georgia did a couple years ago but at a higher level -- good for them. OSU will be just fine.
Think in the end he winds up at Florida
F Clemson, they are so ignorant. Still think they are about to get kicked by Alabama who will be back on the top.
Clemson does not have a better roster than OSU in 2019, will never understand the inferiority from OSU fans. Bama has a great team this year but Clemson lost most of their defense and Oline. Outside of skill players they aren’t scary
Clemson lost most of their defense and Oline
Someone let me know when Clemson wins a playoff game w/o Christian Wilkins.
If those morons hadn't tossed aside $10 or $20 million to play dress-up in Power Ranger suits, Clemsin had little chance at this last title.
But in those skill positions they are arguably the best in the country, only rivaled by Alabama. They have future 1st round picks at QB, RB, and 2 WR spots. I don't know much about their OL, but they also have one of the best D coordinators in the country, so to discount their defense because they lost many of their starters is a bit short sighted. We don't know for sure who has the better roster at this point, but to assume Clemson will be anything less than a top 3 team in the country is setting yourself up for disappointment. OSUs team has far more to prove than Clemson's does at this point.
Guys can we please???
Don't worry, when the QB commits soon I'm starting a Clemson rant thread. Well on it's way to being the all-time best class we have all been seeking.
Ohiostate in the end has the better roster
F Clemson, they are so ignorant.
What do they lack knowledge of?
Unfortunately they lack knowledge of a loss to Ohio State. Ever.
"You can never pay back, but you can always pay forward."
Why is Clemson ignorant? Because they are a machine???
No, because they accept verbals from serial killers.
Btw I always thought Dexter Lawrence is overrated and Dre mont was better.
Throw out his tape the last two years, he has played injured. Dude was a monster his freshman year.
That is another thing that agitates me w/ Clemson, last year Dexter would have sat games here and Bosa would have played more games there.
Apologies if posted somewhere in here but regarding Fleming BK said he was told by someone close to the situation that the pick right now is tOSU and that he was close to putting in a CB too.
These are very positive updates.
Oh look, another thread full of pointless hypothetical arguments! I mean really??? Bringing up people from 15 years ago that switched from DL to OL because some random smalltime newspaper article? Some of you need to find better things to do.
Thanks for your excellent contribution to the thread. Far more insightful than anything else being discussed. /s
Off topic from what is currently being discussed in this thread, but is OSU still in a good spot with Bijan Robinson? Ive seen much more talk about Milton recently.
Visits for our big FNL weekend so won't know more till after.
Our insiders all believe that right now we definitely sit in a better spot for Milton than Robinson.
Honestly feels like we're in a good spot for both. I'm sure Robinson's visit in June will give us a better picture.
Speaking of RB recruits, I find it interesting that LSU is now one of the favorites for Darvon Hubbard.
I will also say that I'm a fan of Torrance Davis. Don't think he'll get an OSU offer, but he looks the part to me. I think he's the best back in Ohio.
Pretty raw but yeah, he looks like he could be a hoss.
Some news on the Paris Johnson front:
BREAKING: 5 @OhioStateFB commit @ParisJohnsonJr leaving St. Xavier High School after his request to graduate early and enroll in college next spring is denied. Johnson plans to attend Princeton high school next year, where hell graduate in December. @MonicaCLJohnson @Local12
— Adam Clements (@AClementsWKRC) May 3, 2019
Makes sense. I don't think any of the GCL schools let kids graduate early due to the religion classes requirement. Big blow to St. X though.
Back when I was there the teachers talked about St.X students occasionally transferring to Finneytown HS, so they could graduate a semester early. I'm sure Coach Specht is annoyed but it is what is. Enrolling early for football is obviously a key priority for Paris-and I'm not going to begrudge him for it.
Looks like you beat me to it by about a minute.
Not sure if this got lost in the mass of nonsense above, but Paris Johnson is transferring to Cincinnati Princeton. St. X denied his application to graduate in December so he can enroll in college early.
247Sports No. 1 OT Paris Johnson Jr. transferring high schools with plans to enroll early in college. https://t.co/Qjivb5ZkqE
— Steve Wiltfong (@SWiltfong247) May 3, 2019
Good. Now he doesn't have to keep wearing blue
Not a shocker but we made the top 10 for Marcus Rosemy
Looks like it might be in order with OSU and UGA 1&2
The world is yours
Thank you for the assist and BG knows south Florida well and that's what he's been hearing. Not sure if it's in order but those seem to be the top 2. Would be nice to get him up for an unofficial visit.
I appreciate that the Ohio State logo is the biggest.
Thought this was cool. Video from the official Twitter account showing "Brand U" in action. For those that don't know what Brand U is, it's a recruiting tool to show visiting recruits.
Where are we with Luke Lachey right now? I think he's taking an official this weekend, right?
BG still believes he's the most likely out of the uncommitted OH group. Also said a lot will depend on how he projects being able to block.
Southern's Julian Fleming cranked out an 11.12 in the 100 final. Shik's Joe Folk second in 11.49. @dailyitemsports
— Michael Bullock (@thebullp_n) May 3, 2019
Looks like Mills is favoring ND but we’ll find out for sure tomorrow.
Four-Star 2020 DE Rylie Mills Announcing Commitment Monday https://t.co/jM4hsmpCVB via @TonyGerdeman
— Ozone Communications (@theOzonedotnet) May 5, 2019
Saw kicker Jake Seibert got a CB to Sparty. I think there's a decent chance we take him in this class. Would likely redshirt his first year under Haubell and then take over.
#1 QB DJ Uiagelele commits to Clemson
Clemson's class is almost done, now they can focus on 2021.
They'll probably break the average per player rating this year.
I'm assuming this is sarcasm. They're at 14 players right now, all of which are four and five-stars. Disturbing to think they could take ten more or so in this class.
Clemson doesn't take as many prospects as most schools. They don't really go over 20
Knew it was coming. But still, ew.
Gotta give Clemson their props. They are killing it.
Tyler Venables is going to be such a sore thumb in Clemson's class.
Well you gotta do to keep the DC
I will LMAO if he at the end causes them to not break our average player rating record.
Don't have time now but I'm going to start a Clemson thread for you guys in the morning. There you can feel free to talk all things Clemson bc some are obsessed and it's taking up on average 15-20% of the posts per part now.
Yeah guys, can’t have the Clemson posts getting in the way of all the actual recruiting posts in the thread
Can someone start one for catfights too for those who don't want to suffer through them? Please!
Not sure what people are trying to do or prove when posting comments about Clemson or their recruiting on an ohiostate recruiting thread
Our class will be top 5 once the ink dries. Let’s not worry about Clemson. We’re Ohio State. They’re on a nice little run but our roster is absolutely loaded with talent right now. Couldn’t think of a better situation for a first year coach to walk into. Once we start winning the recruiting will pick up. We have really good younger coaches who know how to recruit really well. You already see it with Hartline. Wait until Hafley and Washington build relationships with the younger guys
Can definitely give Clemson their props because they are performing on the field and killing it in recruiting.
Not much is made, though, of their cake walk into the playoffs every year in the horrible ACC conference.
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
What do you make of their dismantling of Alabama?
I didn't say they weren't a very talented team. I'm just saying that they have a clear road to the conference championship on a daily basis. The same is not true for OSU, Bama, and to some degree Oklahoma.
Wiltfong and Allen Trieu with the CB for Justin Rogers to University of Kentucky.
East Coast living with Ohio roots
That's, umm, odd.
Really odd. Did he just visit there or something?
I wonder if UGA is all set for interior linemen.
What a strange trend line Rogers has had over the past year. OSU was the heavy leader, then UGA became his favorite for a long time, then Tenn started gaining momentum and CBs in 2019, and now he has a CB to UK. Certainly doesn't seem like he's trending up.
His 247 rank has dropped from 13 to 44 in the past year but that's just off 5* territory and he's still 30th in the composite. Does anyone know if the Buckeyes even trying for him anymore?
"Does anyone know if the Buckeyes even trying for him anymore?"
I haven't seen anything to suggest we are. Same for Jake Wray.
That's just straight up bizarre.
There must be some weird under the hood stuff going on (not meaning bagmen stuff, meaning weird academic or other stuff).
I wonder if he is going for the music program? :)
Somebody showed them the lease agreement for the SUV.....................................
Looks like the tOSU recruiting targets on 247 has been redone. Seems to be much more accurate now.