Skull Session: Dwayne Haskins is a Seer, The Colts Loved Parris Campbells Speed, and Why Mike Weber Fell to the Final Round

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painterlad's picture

When I first read the "he's bleep bleep bleep fast"comment, I thought the guy was referencing the Road Runner.
I guess I'm old.

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OH-IO's picture

Best post of the month. 

OH-IO living BACK IN COLUMBUS after 32 years in the ATL. 

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Buctor's picture

My thought too, but I know I'm old.

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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HOLYbucknut's picture

Kevin putting AwlinBrutus in a bodybag on a Monday morning. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I still don’t get it: why leave one team because you don’t want to be a backup to go to another team where you’re guaranteed to be a backup? Coming home and/or getting a masters from TOSU can’t be it. Urban said more than once he values competitiveness the most of all character traits and I don’t see that in Hoak’s decision.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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kmp10's picture

Because Kentucky football and Ohio State football are about as far apart as the New York Yankees and the Hanshin Tigers. If you play football at OSU, especially at the quarterback position, you're making an investment in your future self. You'll have access to a national network of business people, based in the fourteenth largest city in America, which is unavailable to Kentucky football players. Being able to say, "I played quarterback at Ohio State" for the rest of one's adult life offers entrée into opportunities non-Ohio State players are usually unable to negotiate. In addition, and I'm not buying this hook, line, and sinker just yet, to be clear, but right now Ryan Day seems to have built a reputation as a quarterback whisperer, so even if a QB doesn't start, but he has the physical tools and size, he'll still have a chance to play for pay on Sundays. Hoak probably took all of this into consideration when weighing what to do, and if he didn't, then someone much older and wiser within his family considered it for him. In the end, playing football at Ohio State is a big deal, while playing football at Kentucky is much less so... and Hoak was smart enough to realize that.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So you went with the obvious “coming home and getting a masters from Ohio State” answer. That’s the “investment in his future self”? I think it’s pretty safe to say football is not in his cards after college unless he plans to coach, which means any “investment” in his future banks on his grad degree. So why not Harvard? Why not Yale? Why not Northwestern or Vanderbilt or Stanford or Duke, schools that aren’t as prestigious as Ohio State in football but kick OSU’s ass academically plus he might have a chance to start (Duke worked out okay for Daniel Jones). I get why we took him (we’re desperate for depth) but your diatribe does nothing to convince me we got someone who wants to compete; if he did, he’d have gone elsewhere.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

First question is: Did any of the schools mentioned in your post show any interest in Hoak?

Second question: Did Hoak grow up close to nine-iron distance from any of the school's that you mentioned?

Third question: Did his Dad/Uncle/Cousin play or coach football at the other schools you mentioned?

Also...Harvard and Yale do not offer athletic scholarships on its respective football teams.

If it was all about starting...I agree with you, Ohio State isn't the place for him but he will be only one snap from being the starter the next two years. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

I don't know who showed interest in Hoak. That's not my point. My point is why is he coming to Ohio State to be a backup?

  • You may as well just say he's "another Millennial" who can't get a job and has to move back home. Give me a break. He went to Kentucky and got a degree in three years. So why does he have to "come back home" to Columbus? Because he's homesick? What about the friendships he would've made at Kentucky? Do those mean nothing?
  • Who cares where his dad/uncle/cousin played? Lots of sons and cousins and nephews of former Buckeyes haven't played for Ohio State. (And that doesn't mean they would have had they been offered any more than Hoak would've accepted considering he was a) ranked 40th nationally, and b) in the same HS class as Dwayne Haskins.)
  • Yes, the Ivy League schools cannot offer athletic scholarships, but that does not mean that they can't provide financial aid. Do you honestly think every kid who plays football at Harvard or Yale can afford to pay to go to Harvard or Yale? Trust me: they provide aid.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

As you said "That's not my point".

A Graduate Degree at Ohio State means a lot more than a Graduate Degree at Kentucky.

He doesn't have to come back home to Columbus but felt that coming home was his best option. And since, as you stated, you have no idea who showed interest in Hoak, this could have been the best option in his mind. He stated when he entered the transfer portal at Kentucky that he was greatful for the friendships he built there and he also has a girlfriend (I am assuming she also attends/attended UK). Do you have friends from college who live nowhere near you or did you cut all ties from your college days?

Maybe Hoak cares where his dad/uncle/cousin played? That definitely sets up a more natural connection with a university than attending a school where he knows nobody. 

I know that they offer grants-in-aid to athletes in the Ivy League but, again, that doesn't mean that those schools were on Hoak's radar or he on their's. 

And to the last of your points that I will address. Why is he coming to Ohio State to be a back-up? Not everyone on the Ohio State football team is going to go "pro" in football. They are going to enter the business world and do the "9 to 5" gig like the rest of us. He will be one snap away from playing meaningful minutes for Ohio State. However, in two years he will be entering the business world with a Graduate Degree from The Ohio State University. If you can't understand that as being a huge plus for him...you perhaps never will.

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Extramedium's picture

He's coming to Ohio State to be a backup because that's what he wants to do. It was clear he wasn't going to start at Kentucky, so he might as well go to the best program he can for the remainder of his eligibility.  I imagine he's always wanted to play for Ohio State since he was a little kid, and that dream is about to come true.  That must have been more important to him than starting at whatever school had a starting spot for him, which probably wasn't any football program worth mentioning.

Why are we overthinking this?

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BucksHave7's picture

No offense to the Hanshin Tigers, of course. 

BucksHave7

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hetuck's picture

Why? Big difference in the programs. Put in the work and go to the CFP/NY6 or the Belk Bowl?

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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iowabuckeyes's picture

As a backup.

That’s who we’re taking? Guys who want to be backups?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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GoNutz27's picture

Every team has back-ups, but doesn't diminish that player's competitive spirit.  Just like every job, there is only one CEO, so the rest of the employees are essentially back-ups that play a role and still compete with others to be the best at what they do.

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Kangarooman's picture

What do you want Day to do, exactly? We desperately need QB depth.

What's your solution to this problem?

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iowabuckeyes's picture

What do you want Day to do, exactly? We desperately need QB depth.

What's your solution to this problem?

Good lord. Some of you are dense. I said I understand why we want him--because we're desperate for QB depth. The question is if he doesn't want to be a backup at UK, why is he coming to Ohio State to be a backup?

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

FYI, IB.

I am not one of the people who down-voted you for your opinion on your several posts on this subject (even though you deserved one for calling someone "dense"). 

Your opinion may differ from others but there is a much more polite and cordial way to state your opinion while still being nice about it. 

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BucksHave7's picture

Been following your posts.  Not sure I get your point.   Do you have one?

Hoak is a 6-4 hometown kid who can sling it. 

BucksHave7

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

I think that we just found out this Spring that, with the transfer portal...yes we now have to consider taking guys who are happy with being back-ups.

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okiebuck's picture

"A man's got to know his limitations" - Dirty Harry or Josie Wales; can't remember which, because I am also old.

The only hard day was yesterday

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TURD_BUCKET's picture

It is from 'Magnum Force' = Dirty Harry.

Josie Wales = "Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy".

“Being average means you are as close to the bottom as you are to the top.” John Wooden

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Kevin Harrish's picture

For what it's worth, my understanding is that he's been told he'll have an opportunity to compete for the starting job, though Fields is obviously the favorite. I don't necessarily see that as a lack of competitiveness.

BbBnD's picture

“Urban said more than once he values competitiveness”

You might’ve missed this while trying to divine the intentions of 20 year olds, but Urban isn’t the coach anymore. It’s a new Day. 

Folks have repeatedly answered why someone would prefer to be a backup at OSU more so than a backup at UK and you’ve decided to ignore those responses. You’re the one being dense. 

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iowabuckeyes's picture

So Ryan Day doesn’t value competitiveness? Is that what you’re saying?

Hoak is coming to compete to be the backup. We all know that even if he doesn’t.

The “dense” remark was specifically in response to the post asking me what we’re supposed to do since we’re desperate when I’d already acknowledged we’re desperate. No one around here reads; no one comprehends but everyone judges. He may as well have just asked in true Stork from Animal House style, “What are we supposed to do, ya moron?”

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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Extramedium's picture

You also stated that you understand why we want him, then questioned why we'd want someone who's happy to be the backup. 

I honestly think he'd rather compete at his childhood dream school of OSU (with a solid chance at first team reps in the 'Shoe) than go start at South Alabama State or New Mexico Tech.

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Dillon G's picture

Maybe some Florida speed can go to Michigan and catch him. Oh, wait.

GOT only had 2 viable choices to extend the series knowing it was so long. The Night King doing that or a retreat to keep it going. Good choice.

#walkaway

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MichiBuck12's picture

I think Weber will be a great value pick for a 7th rounder. I'm curious what caused the drop though because I thought he was pretty solidly in the 3rd to 5th round range. I think the Cowboys are going to be very happy with that pick.

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MercyTex's picture

As a long time local Cowboy fan the team is very happy to get him. There’s a Buckeye RB pipeline here and they know what Weber can do with and without the ball. This is a good place for him. 

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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BuckeyeinRaleigh's picture

I think Weber’s injuries and his sharing time in the backfield because he wasn’t the best talent on the team when it was his turn to take that role, hurt his draft position. Time will tell if he has the talent to play in the NFL. He definitely has the heart. Wish him the best.

ScottinRaleigh

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Buckfrombirth's picture

I agree with you on that. I'd add that Mike also has had ball security problems sporadically, which, in the NFL, is a fast track to a cut. Definitely great value in the 7th, though.

I survived Cooper, and I hate Tai Streets.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

A lot of guys that I thought would go in round X were there at seven and even after. That happens every year, nature of the draft I reckon. But we had 9 buckeyes get their name called, that’s big time 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Washington’s Myles Gaskin had nearly 2x the rushing yards as Weber but wasn’t taken until 234.

It’s not just the draft. Everything about scouting is a crap shoot. How does a guy like Alabama State’s Tytus Howard go 23rd? Haskins prediction is cool but no one could’ve seen that for Howard. First round equates to high school 5-star status, which is crazy for someone from a FCS school. In his case, it’s because he played QB for a 1-9 team as a senior in high school (and the only win was 2-0 by forfeit), walked on as a TE and grew into an OT. He claims he can throw a football 80 yards. In flip flops.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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BuckeyeatTSUN's picture

A wise GM would have picked Webber for the offensive line ahead of Prince.

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ToTheHouse's picture

Congrats to all thirteen ballr's. (9 in draft, 4 after.) Major. Cruiting. Statement.

^^^Parris's clip...watched it four times consecutive, just WOW !

Still shaking head. Last yrs. Michael Monster Thomas season...Incredible.

Thanks Kevin for the E. Turner take, keep the Holt feed on !

Like Day's way to trump baldwin's portal...the Gunnar-teed Hoak project.

Now back to that Campbell bama dope.

*Skunk Weasels still stink.

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blueblazer22's picture

There only needs to be a 1% chance of an asteroid hit and that is enough to cause the world to get together and check out the doomsday scenario? I would not have guessed that but points to the powers that be for staying on top of things I guess. 

Weber ha she to be a steal that late. Maybe Zeke can help a Buckeye brother out. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Maybe Zeke can help a Buckeye brother out.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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blueblazer22's picture

Good point. Let’s hope that isn’t the help he gives. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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iowabuckeyes's picture

Posts about weed. Screen name includes Blazer. It all fits....

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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blueblazer22's picture

For the record, I have never once partaken. I will say that attending many heavy metal concerts back in the day gave me plenty of contact highs I am sure, but I will forgo the blazer portion of my name when it comes to the wacky tobacky

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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WezBuck28's picture

Part of me wonders if coach K even knows how to coach basketball, the dude is probably just an excellent recruiter that gets kids in his program that don't need coached up.../s

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

From what is coming out...he may not be that great of a recruiter...$$$

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TMac's picture

Remember Karan?

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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iowabuckeyes's picture

The people laughing almost nearly as loudly as Buckeye fans are Hawkeye fans—Higdon stiffed them on NSD when he flipped to Michigan.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

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ToTheHouse's picture

^This. ANYthing Anti-weasel.

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blueblazer22's picture

One of the best tweets ever. Sorry Karen. 

"They say, "these geeks come a dime a dozen.  I'm lookin' for the guy who's supplyin' the dimes." -Classy Freddie Blassie

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okiebuck's picture

Hey Karan; how's all that smoke, people who know nothing, where blowing up your ass feel bro??
 

The only hard day was yesterday

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BucksHave7's picture

Come on now.  Im sure he will make a great HS coach some day. 

BucksHave7

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TMac's picture

Nationwide Arena is going to be nuts tomorrow night.  

#ItsGreatToBeABUCKEYE

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southalabamabuckeye's picture

Another great draft for Ohio State. Best wishes to all of those men.

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hetuck's picture

1. The Giants' stupidity, the CBJ win Sunday morning, and the Battle of Winterfell left me agog. 

2. I guess FEMA got tired of game planning for another much more likely replay of the New Madrid earthquake. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Zimmy07's picture

Caffeine and Nicotine are nothing alike.  Do you see coffee patches or gum?

I just failed this Friday on the 3rd day of quitting cigarettes cold turkey.  I was a wreck mentally.  8 hours was the most I could handle at work & my thought processes was completely fogged and slow.  That and the massive headache that happened Friday.

I am taking a week off from work the next time I have a go at quitting.  I go without caffeine for days at a time all the time with the only effect on me being that I feel a little tired sometimes.

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dL_1337's picture

Do you see coffee patches or gum?

No, I just see a billion dollar market for decaffeinated coffee.

Caffeine and Nicotine are nothing alike

Smoking and vaping are nothing alike. The nicotine prohibitionist moral panic aside, nicotine itself is a relatively harmless addictive nootropic. Certainly harmless compared to substances like  sugar and red meat...if worrying about what other people are ingesting is your thing.

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Bubblehead's picture

I used Chantix.  One good part is that you can smoke while you build up the dose.  I smoked for 36 years, and my last cigarette was at the end of The Game in 2016.  For full disclosure, I had vivid dreams, which were wild, but I know others that had vivid nightmares and one person attempted suicide.  I don't work for Chantix.  Good luck.

know nukes

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Zimmy07's picture

Chantix helped me quit for 2 years in 2012.  I did have the nightmares, tho.  It may be worth it to do it again.

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MercyTex's picture

The only way I stayed tobacco free after starting back up several times even after years without a smoke or a dip was to learn to hate it for taking away family and vowing not to do that to my family.  They deserve better. Tobacco is a thief. 

Our people are everywhere, Esto Dignus.

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Zimmy07's picture

The 2 it thieved from me, family-wise were bad asses I could never be.

though I wonder.  

Both born in 1925.

i remember hearing tales about their elders - ‘he could grab the post & hold himself up like a flag - parallel to the ground.’

I could never do that for longer than seconds & maybe seconds is generous

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Kevin, that poster accuses every writer on the Eleven Warriors website of scrambling for content (so try not to feel too special).

Also, with the Haskins high school article...it was even cooler when he was like 8-10 years old and predicted that he would be the QB at Ohio State one day. 

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Hovenaut's picture

Man, I'm dragging this morning...too much weekend, but it was damn good.

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THEGAME513's picture

The Great War is over. Time to prepare for The Final War.
Where can I replenish my emotions? I spent them all during the weekend starting with Alien Day 426, Avengers Endgame all on Friday. Closed it out with greatest 1hr and 25min in TV history so far. What a rush!

Veni, Vidi, Vici. I came, I saw, I conquered.
The Buckeye Way

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Careful, some may not come into the Skull Session and expect spoilers to one of the most awaited episodes in recent television history.

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THEGAME513's picture

Yes I concur, I counter with my apologies but stay off the internet. If you have not watched already the internet will ruin your life. FACTS

Veni, Vidi, Vici. I came, I saw, I conquered.
The Buckeye Way

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Agreed, which is one reason why we watched it last night. But there are others who may not have had the chance to get and may delve into an Ohio State FB post without expecting someone to "accidentally" post spoilers.

There's a forum post for that very topic that clearly states "Spoilers" in the title. But then again, some just can't figure that out. FACTS

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