FBI Witness: I Paid Football Players at TSUN, PSU, Alabama, ...etc

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buckzilla1's picture

Northwestern?

Come on man.....

You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. Urban Frank Meyer

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Players probably receive $$ at all P5 schools in some form.  I believe this happens even at mid-majors at some level.
 

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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rosycheeks's picture

I mean, their results over that time period are right there with TTUN's...

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Guts's picture

But then you see Penn State and Michigan.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Not at OSU. Only at Bama and Clemson

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Spartan13's picture

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Northwestern lmao, Notre Dame has a lot to lose though if they get hit hard with sanctions they may not be able to recover from serious sanctions. If they are down for lets say 5 years due to serious sanctions and stay independent Stanford could really take over the smart school market. 

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Go1Bucks's picture

Im not sure we can trust a conman to tell the truth even in a trial...

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

He's an FBI witness.  His testimony likely corroborates with a money trail.  Also, falsely accusing who he paid would make no sense and would lead to more penalties than he already faces.  

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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cpewster's picture

I remember reading somewhere that these witnesses are facing years in prison if they're found to be lying.

Si vis pacem parabellum.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Unless it can be proven that this money was requested or known about by the university, nothing will come of this.

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PRO8's picture

True... if there are players who were paid still enrolled though they would become ineligible but that timeline is about out of date for that to happen.

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0H-10's picture

Wow, I thought TSUN did things the right way.

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

Comment was meant to be sarcastic. :-)

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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0H-10's picture

Jif was meant to be an eye-rolling acknowlegement of your sarcasm in a satiric fashion, Francis. :-)

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Zonabuck's picture

You put your peanut butter in his sarcasm?

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chemicalwaste's picture

Even not-so-choosey mothers like some peanut butter in their sarcasm.

Ignorance isn't bliss for the rest of us.

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Go1Bucks's picture

Since when?

Go Bucks! TTUN tears are best! Beat Wisky!!!

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LCT's picture

ND is a pretty sleazy program anymore.

Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel

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Monclovabuckeye's picture

Laundered

Currency

Transactions

I don't give a damn for the whole state of Xichigan.

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BrutusB's picture

 Very grateful that our boosters are better at hiding their tracks 

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Spartan13's picture

Dont get the down votes, if NORTHWESTERN is paying players we are paying players

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buckslan's picture

What kind of logic is that?

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Rocket Man's picture

Maybe I'm just a naive ol' country boy, but it would be a kick in the gut to think they paid players, even if those snobby schools up north that proclaim purity are also doing it.. So I'm praying OSU doesn't get implicated in any of this crap.

I know, I know, Tressel covered up guys trading trinkets for tattoos, but pay for play is so much crappier.

 Success - it's what you do with what you've got.  - Woody Hayes

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bleedscarletpissmaize's picture

U ain't country if ur flying rockets, rocket man.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Oh my, looks like you javent been around Marshall Space Flight Center, or Johnson SC, Kennedy SC, Michoud Operations, etc..

Surrounded by SEC country engineers, especially Marshall and Michoud (Huntsville, AL and New Orleans, LA).

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bleedscarletpissmaize's picture

I've seen interstellar with Matthew McConaughey if that counts?

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Rocket Man's picture

The second best engineers I know build their own cars.

The best are also farmers.

I don't do either, I'm just a country boy working with a lot of rocket scientists.

 Success - it's what you do with what you've got.  - Woody Hayes

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GunnerBuck's picture

At this point, idc either way. The sanctity of the "student athlete" is bullshit and I just want to watch the best NON NFL product available. 

"Come on, you sons of b!tches! Do you want to live forever?" -- Dan Daly, WWI

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

so what school is paying if Northwestern is paying?

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blu.fan's picture

Have a pretty good guess, but I'm not putting names out there. Let's just say, anyone who is in the NFL now could easily have been paid . . . especially if they came from a situation with tenuous finances.

The one subset of players in both football and basketball who are different are kids of former players, and especially kids of former professional players. Beilein has been great with several kids of former NBA players (Glenn Robinson, Tim Hardaway, a few others.) These kids don't need money, and have the freedom to go to the best fit, or the place where they can best develop their talent. Beilein, like Harbaugh, hasn't won any championships. But he's done a decent job of taking kids not in the top 50 and molding them into NBA players.

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PRO8's picture

This guy who testified could hardly be called a booster.... he was a facilitator it seems for payments as he might have gotten paid for carrying out the scheme maybe , but he could hardly be called a booster  in the true sense of the word. It is not indicated where the money came from but it looks to be the sporting goods mfgs  maybe in this case or more likely agents trying to get player loyalty secured. 

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McGrind's picture

Northwestern paying them to buy books for real classes. Worst kind of offense.

Justice delayed is justice denied....#FTP

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Sanantonefan's picture

That's a pretty hefty sum of money right there...

You Got Barbecue Back There!?!?!?!

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

The downvotes are probably because brutusb is notorious for taking digs at osu any chance he gets. Even if its an article that doesn’t even involve osu.

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CincyOSU's picture

The downvotes are probably because brutusb is notorious for taking digs at osu any chance he gets. Even if its an article that doesn’t even involve osu.

Seeing as he has 60 upvotes and only 11 downvotes for that comment, I don't think your claim holds any weight.

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3rdtimesacharm's picture

If you look at his comment history, it does. He’s been taking cheap shots at the team since I joined here. Maybe others just like to as well. He certainly gets his share of downvotes too.

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Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

The DRAW of tOSU is much stronger than the draw of NW.  Northwestern (and other second tier programs) NEED to cheat to compete with places like tOSU and bama and Texas.  What's delicious is that the weasels have recognized that they have slipped to that status, even if their fans haven't.

When you are the most successful program since the end of WWII, you have incredible drawing power.

jebes Michigana

jebi rak

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hnyg8modonwelfare's picture

The DRAW of tOSU is much stronger than the draw of NW.  Northwestern (and other second tier programs) NEED to cheat to compete with places like tOSU and bama and Texas.  What's delicious is that the weasels have recognized that they have slipped to that status, even if their fans haven't.

This makes a lot of sense.  Especially that the ultimate goal of elite recruits is to get to the NFL.  The best coaching, best facilities, and the most tv exposure (winning) trumps the bagman. OSU probably tells kids who expect more to take a hike; because they certainly don't need it.  In times like this Bama and OSU have so much leverage in recruiting -they call the shots, while TSUN and Miss St have to sweeten the offer with $$.

Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith

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TigerSweat's picture

Not good, Bob.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

File this under "well duh", although I'm sure this will somehow surprise that Maine guy on here.

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Jay Lawerence's Laugh's picture

Maine has a strong sense of delusion.

Ohio, the greatest state in the Union!

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ToTheHouse's picture

Not nearly as strong as that skunk weasel place.

Said every one south of the state line.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

That's from all the lifting he does.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Yeah, but for the grace of God...………………. 

I would expect that some sort of "benefits' sneak through even the best compliance departments at most universities. If it ever gets to the point that cash is the end all, OSU is in a good position.

Sani

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Popsikle211's picture

The witness said it was LJ when he was at PSU that directed the transaction. LJ called it BS.

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MGOBLUE0205's picture

Thank you for saying that. Now it does seem a little strange that LJs son hired that guy as his agent, but at this point im taking what this guy said with a grain of salt. Not saying it doesn't or didn't happen at Michigan.

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Smitty516's picture

Right. Considering what was said about LJ, I’m pumping the breaks on throwing stones...but damn would I like to throw those stones..

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AKBuck15's picture

Dabo just signed a $93 million dollar contract, Urban, Harbaugh, Saban,etc there’s so much money in the game anymore it’s delusional to think any power 5 program doesn’t have this somewhere at some form. 

Its been like this way before now as well, as much as we all would live for it to be not us I’d bet two mortgages that it goes on here at times as well. It doesn’t make the game less fun for me, was a college student at one point and worked a job and was compensated. And had someone came to me and said hey you’re doing great here’s $500 more you’d bet your ass I’d take it. I’m old school too but it is what it is. There’s no guarantee for any of them to make it professional after college, take it when you can and do the best you can. While I don’t think it goes on openly at any of these schools/boosters etc make it hard to monitor 85 players/recruits so it happens. 

I am a Michigan booster bud....just spent $182 bucks at Wal-Mart this morning.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Would you take that $500 knowing that it could potentially cost your employer his company, house and future? Would you take that $500 if you knew you'd be fired and out on the street, losing perks worth 50K plus a year, easily? Would you take that $500 knowing that it could cost your co-workers, brothers and friends their chance to advance their careers?

Now would you report the $500 you happen to find in your glove compartment last night, me either. 

Sani

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

It's probably far more than 500 dollars over a player's recruitment/ career.

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SpaceBuckeye's picture

Good tattoos are about $500...

Those who say they can and those who say they can't are both right. Which one are you?

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Ha, name one coach busted who lost their house, couch, or were thrown on the street. Or one that had hundreds of thousands or millions of their prior salaries clawed back?

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cwglee's picture

Don't attempt to apply logic to the thought process of a 17/18 yr old football recruit, anything is possible in that world.

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Buctor's picture

Interesting, not sure.  I'll wait until the universities get an elderly government retiree and some well respected alumni/board folks to do a review and put out the findings!  /ssss

Really will wait until actual findings, rather than accusations, are reported!

Oh and not by some nut job out to get someone!

Beat everyone, in every sport, all the time!!!

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OSU56's picture

Oh and not by some nut job out to get someone!

These nut jobs are no different then McMurphnut

Enjoying daily the back to back ttun beatdowns.

 

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rkylet83's picture

Why would you want to wait for real evidence?  

Speculation and mudslinging is so much easier - McMurphy.  

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xbuceye's picture

Wake me when something actually comes from these reports.

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rkylet83's picture

100% correct.  Unless they actually have real evidence it won’t go anywhere.  

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Alex Ranttila's picture

Wow, time to vacate all of Bama's national championships during that time. Better hit them with a post season ban too. If selling your own gear for tattoos is against then getting money directly is twice as bad :))

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bleedscarletpissmaize's picture

Ttun will have to vacate their co division championship...there goes a 2000$ banner..

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Zimmy07's picture

Not only that but they now have to go by the name Michigan Olvers because WIN is just not part of their DNA anymore.

I saw a guy at a bar across the street from Minute Maid Park wearing a Michigan Football shirt.  This is right before the Astros - Indians game.  I had just formulated that insult in my head when my wife & MIL decided to go wait in line at the stadium and left me to settle the tab.  I was unable to use it this time.

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allinosu's picture

If nothing is done about this I hope that OSU goes after those wins that were taken from them for far less.

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Bucknut1977's picture

Let’s be real here... All schools have boosters who are prepared to pay players and recruits.  They have ZERO problem paying them behind closed doors. If you’re 18 years old, would you turn down $500-$1000 from a booster?

If you think this isn’t occurring, you live in a fairy tale world.  

BuckNut1977

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logamaniac's picture

Yeah, because you can get more than that from a blue blood program if you have the star rating.  Why sell yourself cheap. 

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covey2's picture

It's all a lie it isn't on ESPN yet and we all know how thorough they are during scandals!! Or accusations of a possible scandal!

Just sayin......

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OSUnWV's picture

Nothing will ever happen to Saban , espn wont allow it. The "lesser" schools may be in trouble but Dabo & Saban are untouchable , they do things the right way , or so they say.

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lew-e's picture

Maaaan. This shit happens at MAC schools. Seen it myself. No news here

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Zimmy07's picture

I joked earlier about Northwestern but they did have a 1st round draft pick around that time.  I recognized the name, but can’t think of it right now.

I shouldn’t drop names since it’s nothing more than speculation anyway, I think.

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macdaddybuckeyesupreme's picture

How credible is Marty Blazer? I know he can go to jail for a long time if lying, but what evidence has been presented? He needs to name names, provide check stubs or text messages proving who was doing it

Successful people do what they have to, whether they feel like it or not

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logamaniac's picture

Scumbags like him usually keep a good accounting just in case they need to use it to save their own neck

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MichiBuck12's picture

None of this information matters without A. proof and B. an oversight organization that is willing to do anything about it. Look, anybody that's honest with themselves knows this kind of thing happens everywhere and we would be naive to think Ohio State is literally the only school that doesn't. Having said that, it amuses me the difference in coverage this gets. Nobody cares when michigan or Alabama or Clemson gets accused of this stuff but when we do it its front page news for weeks on end.

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VABuckeyeInsanity's picture

I know people who played P5 college football.  I know that they did not accept money.  Now did that accept free drinks in bars, free food, things being paid for them when they went out and they didn't know by who per say?  Yes they did, and if this happened for anyone else we would just call it paying it forward.

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CincyOSU's picture

Uh, that's some tricky mental gymnastics there. When I went to school, I didn't have anyone paying for my drinks/food because I got an A on my Econ exam.

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Zimmy07's picture

Hell, that disqualifies you for public office.

why admit to such a terrible thing?

an “A” in college level Econ?  Please tell us it was just Intro.

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Milk Steak To Go's picture

Genuinely curious, were they offered money?  If so, how much?  And what were their backgrounds, generally?

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hetuck's picture

This is beyond the NCAA statute of limitations.

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Allegations generally are based on violations that have occurred four or fewer years before the time an institution is notified of an investigation or an institution notifies the enforcement staff of violations. However, the enforcement staff may allege violations that have occurred beyond the four-year period if they involve (1) the eligibility of a current student-athlete, (2) a pattern of willful violations that began before the four-year window but continue into the four-year window or (3) a blatant disregard for certain fundamental rules (recruiting, extra benefits, academics, ethical conduct) or (4) an effort to conceal violations. See NCAA Division 1 Bylaws, Article 19:

19.5.11 Statute of Limitations. Allegations included in a notice of allegations shall be limited to possible violations occurring not earlier than four years before the date the notice of inquiry is provided to the institution or the date the institution notifies (or, if earlier, should have notified) the enforcement staff of its inquiries into the matter. However, the following shall not be subject to the four-year limitation: (Adopted: 10/30/12 effective 8/1/13)

(a) Allegations involving violations affecting the eligibility of a current student-athlete;

(b) Allegations in a case in which information is developed to indicate a pattern of willful violations on the part of the institution or individual involved, which began before but continued into the four-year period; and

(c) Allegations that indicate a blatant disregard for the Association's fundamental recruiting, extra benefit, academic or ethical-conduct bylaws or that involve an effort to conceal the occurrence of the violation. In such cases, the enforcement staff shall have a one-year period after the date information concerning the matter becomes available to the NCAA to investigate and submit to the institution a notice of allegations concerning the matter.

Bobbing for french fries.

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hetuck's picture

I don't believe the NCAA has ever evoked this. The player payments would have to be of SMU proportions to go to this extreme. The NCAA infractions staff will have plenty to do with basketball infractions within the four-year window as well as schools like OSU self-reporting coaches' butt calls and using snuff on the field. 

Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.

Vince Lombardi

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Buckaroo Banzai's picture

Syracuse University - academic fraud committed in 2005 resulted in an NCAA investigation ten years after the fact, in 2015.

UNC - academic misconduct spanning a period of eighteen years was investigated. Of course, nothing actually happened there, but hey, it was investigated. Wink, nudge.

An NCAA investigation of academic fraud involving the University of Minnesota, commenced in 1999, reached back six years, to 1993.

The PSU Sandusky scandal of 2011 - 2012, for NCAA  purposes, went back to 1998, inasmuch as NCAA sanctions included vacation of wins going back that far.

Notwithstanding the foregoing, and that the bylaw permits the NCCA reaching back as far as it pleases, I agree that it will have its hands full with the fallout from the FBI corruption probe of college basketball.

Bobbing for french fries.

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MaineStrength's picture

Bear in mind he's an agent that is saying he paid recruits to influence them to go to schools in order to represent them as an agent.  The schools themselves did not pay the players and may or may not have any knowledge of these payments.  He has not said he was in any communication with the schools where he was trying to influence players to attend.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Sanitarian2's picture

Why would an agent care where an athlete attended school so long as it was one of the powerhouses?

Sani

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MaineStrength's picture

In similar news undercover video recordings with coaches & testimony also revealed a discussion that Clemson assistant coach Steve Smith said he had with the father of Zion Williamson. In the video, Smith and aspiring business manager Christian Dawkins talked about the struggle to compete with schools like North Carolina, Kentucky and Duke, where Williamson eventually enrolled. Government witness Marty Blazer said in the video that those schools "have people in place who will be able to pay for whatever is necessary" to help recruit Williamson.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26604662/payoff-videos-tale-11k-shoe-highlight-trial

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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TBDBITL DAD's picture

When I played D3 college basketball and had a "job" from the college. I spent 2 hrs a couple days a week shooting 3's and got a check in the campus mail. That was 30 years ago but I'm sure it still happens now.

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HINYG8's picture

Still waiting for all the media outrage and coverage screaming for the coaches to be fired ala tattoo-gate.

Guess I better get a snickers bar because I'm probably not going to be going anywhere for awhile....

And on fourth and one... would you believe?

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logamaniac's picture

There won’t be a lot for a while because the NCAA is now investigating Arizona.  Gonna have to wait for their findings to get released. 

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blu.fan's picture

Wow, I thought TSUN did things the right way.

And the Pope is Catholic and man landed on the moon. Having said that, I think this is endemic of high level Division 1 kids coming from challenged financial situations.

And just to be clear, I am pretty sure of some kids currently at Michigan being "compensated" by someone. And pretty sure of some recent Michigan grads who also received benefits. (And some of my info comes from an OSU insider who is around both Michigan and OSU players, and graduated from OSU.) I also am pretty sure of some kids at OSU in the same category. Thing is, I won't put names out there. And there is always plausible deniability.

With all the money floating around, this is bound to happen. They have got to find some different way to allow kids at a high level school to be compensated. And some of these kids may have more value in college than the NFL. If they are a star at a D-1 school, but don't have the requisite speed to translate to the NFL, they are worth more for advertising bucks and name recognition in college than then would be in the pros. And they're not allowed to profit in any way from their own likeness. That's crazy.

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Sideshow's picture

Completely agree. It’s not just crazy, it’s immoral.

“When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace.” – Dalai Lama.

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JT4Heisman's picture

Didn't UNC already get a bowl ban for this years ago? Does the NCAA even have the stones to give Alabama a bowl ban? ESPN would lose their minds.

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