Dabo Gets a Gigantic New Contract

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Clemson lifer, and in my opinion the best coach in the game. Good job Clemson.

Go Bucks! Go Jackets! 

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Defiance's picture

in my opinion the best coach in the game. Good job Clemson.

As a fan of the greatest college in these here United States of America, I'm not necessarily the biggest fan of Dabo or Clemson (for obvious reasons) but hard to argue with the results on the field.

Good for him is all I'll say.

+1 for the DV. C'mon people, it's just an opinion, right?!?

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I appreciate the UV. 

I'm obviously a diehard Buckeye through and through, but I'm also a diehard fan of CFB in general. I have no reason to hate Clemson. They beat Ohio State fair and square. 

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chibucks's picture

it may sound like sour lemons, but fair and square is arguable with some of the positive drug test results and such.  :)

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Clemson didn't beat Ohio State 31-0 because of a positive drug test. 

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The Rill Dill's picture

They beat Ohio State with superior coaching. 

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infantrybuck's picture

Much like the ND/UM/OSU clause in Urban’s contract at Florida. I’d be curious if he has an Alabama clause. Alabama would absolutely pay an 80 million buyout and him 15 mil a year if it came to that after Saban retires.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Infantry - Yeah, that buyout ain't stopping Alabama. I think Dabo is a Clemson lifer, but not because of a buyout. That buyout seems relatively small too compared to some of the others we've seen. 

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huffdaddy's picture

Alabama would easily swallow the buyout. But they would have to swallow the buyout + pay over 10mm per year + Dabo would have to want to go there.

At this point, why leave? He can recruit the players he needs, he can win championships there. No reason to leave.

"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.

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infantrybuck's picture

Imagine a situation where a guy was from OH, played at OSU, and coached there 7 seasons, we would all assume he’d come here because there’s no better job, no better $, as well as the personal connection. That’s the exact situation Alabama will be in, and I can almost guarantee their fans and trustees will not accept anybody other than him when it comes to that.

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stxbuck's picture

Why leave? B/c he is a Bama alum, who is actually from Tuscaloosa.

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BrutusB's picture

I think it’s more for optics. You don’t want to look like you never saw it coming if he did leave. At least then they can tell their fans and alumni that they tried to prevent it. 

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The Rill Dill's picture

I’m sure there is, considering he played at Alabama.

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Steel City Buckeye's picture

If I Bama wouldn't think twice about paying that buyout when Saban literally falls over dead on the sideline(that's the only way he is leaving).

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linepilot15's picture

I logged in to UV this. We may not like it but Dabo is king right now and it's not going to be easy to knock him off his throne. Nobody recruits better than Clemson and the gap is getting wider every year. He just went into Florida at one of the (pipeline schools for the Gators) and stole a top rated RB after three of his teammates had already committed to the Gators. It's nuts the amount of talent that they are able to stockpile. This is a huge year for the Buckeyes IMO. Day has to show that he can win and recruit. On paper, it sure looks like he has the players to do it but it is yet to be proven. ..Go Bucks

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Hovenaut's picture

Thanks for pulling pertinent details and including here (you'll forgive me if I don't click the referenced link), BB.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Leave one wolf alive....and the sheep are never safe

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Bringthejuice's picture

Who typically carries the weight of paying large college coaching contracts? Boosters? Tax payers?

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Arsenal7's picture

mostly boosters and the money the school makes through sponsorships/tv deals/etc.

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BrutusB's picture

https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/south-carolina-taxpayers-los...

The University of Alabama and Clemson University supposedly profit from football, with Alabama making $46 million and Clemson making $7.8 million per year, based on the most recent available data, says Andrzejewski. But these schools have spent their profits on their football programs and incurred long-term debt on top of that.

"These programs have also racked up an amazing amount of long-term debt and have spent their future football 'profits,'” Andrzejewski said.

“Alabama built their football program on $225 million in long-term debt, and students at Clemson pay $1,414 each to pay down their athletic debts,” says Andrzejewski.. “In other words, the coaches better keep winning."

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

Damn, I would be salty as hell if I had to subsidize a "profitable" football team that just gave their coach a $93M contract. Couldn't imagine how those non-football fans feel.

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BUCKfutter's picture

those buyouts will do nothing to keep him from alabama when saban retires/dies (seems like he'll die before he quits at this point). seems like clemson was just negotiating against themselves here? he's not going anywhere but bama anyway.

the kids are playing their tail off, and the coaches are screwing it up! - JLS

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O H Y O's picture

I can't say anything negative about Dabo because if I did I would just be a hater because he wins. A friend of mine, who I'm not going to mention for the sake of his and my own anonymity, coaches D5 high school football here in Ohio and has met multiple college coaches and he says Dabo is by far the coolest and most down-to-earth coach he has met, his word, not mine, he's a teacher and a head football coach so take his word for what its worth. Anyways, Dabo is a good coach and he deserves the contract no doubt. 

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

Yeah, Dabo seems like a cool as dude for sure. I like him. Is corny as hell, but that just makes you more likable imo 

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Defiance's picture

"Defiance in Silence" 

Shhhh

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Dstacify's picture

I think Dabo is overly competitive on the recruiting trail and sometimes uses shady, underhanded tactics to bury other programs but I don't think he's a bad person at all. He actually seems like a decent enough guy. Saban OTOH comes across as a grumpy curmudgeon in the mold of Belichick at times lol.

11 Strong.

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AZ Buckeye13's picture

Unlike you, I can say negative things about Dabo. The steroid issue is really bothersome, the way his players acted during the 2017 season (grabbing the private parts of players), negatively recruiting, and telling lies about other coaching staffs. No red flags there. I see Dabo as a phony. Just my observations and opinion...

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High Street Street Fighter's picture

Yep, I know a current Clemson player who was recruited by OSU. He said the "family" culture at Clemson is the real thing. I know a lot of OSU look down on Dabo's aw shuck Southern jive, but that's really him. Some players like it, some prefer OSU's more "cut-throat" environment championed by Urban.

Great thing is that you can win MNC's with differing styles.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

I don't see how this makes the "don't pay the players any more" argument any different, the more money someone else is making is independent from how much I should make.

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chris's picture

Plus, the reason he doesn't want a nation-wide pay the players policy is because right now that's the advantage his booster's are giving him (according to the Clemson Basketball staff). If everyone else can also pay their players, they wouldn't be nearly as good.

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stuckupnorth's picture

The argument is the same. If players dont like the pay of NCAA dont go.No one forces them to go to college and be given an education 3 hots and a cot.All the clothes they wear all the food they want to eat(dont believe the hype about being underfed). Plus they get to keep the pell grants.

To me the option is simple. If you dont like your "job" leave for sunnier skys if its that bad.

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chris's picture

What if you like your job but wish it was better and believe it might be if you put the right pressure on the right institutional frameworks? I mean, why not have a go? Worst case scenario is they push you out and then you look for your sunnier skies.

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stuckupnorth's picture

That is a choice that they collectively must make. Good luck  trying to get a bunch of kids to come together for the common good. There is way to many egos involved and would fall apart. These kids have no backbones and would crumble under the weight of not getting handouts. As a union worker I know all about putting pressure on the institutional framework. I’m here to tell you it is messy,dirty, and ugly. I will also tell you it is not an easy process. You just don’t go on strike. While a few are willing to do it a majority of these players know that they are not going to NFL and are probably happy to get 40-50,000 a year in schooling graduation with no debt. Plus food and lodging. I see how full grown adults act at a contract. I also see how how young men act at the same contract. The young men are so foolish and near sided that they would sell away a million dollars for an extra 5000 bonus. These children would be the same way. 

Alll that to say. Nothing forced them to be there. 

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FinnishHymn's picture

Except that if you want to make it to the NFL like many HS football players do, realistic or not, you do pretty much have to go the college route. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

That is a choice that these young people have to make. It is not the only avenue in life. If they choose a very difficult and almost impossible path for a career then that is on them. The chance of going to the NFL is  slim. If they are willing to take that gamble then I applaud them. However when that very high risk statistically foolish decision does not pay off, one can only look in the mirror. They threw the dice and busted.A lot of people want to pursue jobs and want to live out certain dreams. That does not mean that it is the correct thing to pursue it. Sometimes we have to know our limitations. I would like to be an electrician. However I’m color blind. I’m not gonna chase my “dream” knowing that my chances are slim to none. Then boohoo about it and want to change the system. 

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MiloD20's picture

This is such a bad take.  NFL is a legal monopoly.  NCAA is essentially one.  There is no where else to go.  Clarret tried.  Didn't work.  The AFL that recently filled tried to become a minor league.  NFL wouldn't have it.  Your example works great in a free market.  The analogy fails with the monopoly that is football.  

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stuckupnorth's picture

I get what you are saying. However These guys do not have to play football. They can pursue other areas of life. There are areas of the world where there is forced labor. USA is not one of them. These guys could pursue being a lawyer, truck driver, doctor, or a principal as a profession. However they choose to pursue football. 

It is no different than when one wants to get into skilled trades. They take their apprenticeship at way less than market value(however they still have to pay their own electric,gas, food, housing, all of life’s normal expenses). In return they get an education. In turn they get a better job. No one forces these guys into skilled trades. When taking the job that is something that must be weighed. Not trying to be argumentative and we have a nice conversation going here but it does work that way in the free market. You can’t be an electrician without your card. So essentially it is a monopoly by regulation.

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

I mean call me an old fashioned capitalist but I think labor should be able to negotiate individual wages. I also think the entire draft process in pro sports and salary cap is anti capitalistic designed to protect poor management from themselves

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stuckupnorth's picture

I’ve only know industrial labor. Both union and non union. The company(ncaa) sets a pay package (hots,cots,scholly) employee(athletes) either takes the job or doesn’t. In my current union shop it’s no different. Every contract we ask for the world in wages. The company says no we will pay this. They are still the ones who writes the checks. It is still their money. We accept what they are willing to pay. If we do not like it we have two options. Go on strike or find another job. There is nothing holding us from quitting. I kinda see it the NCAA as the same. They write the checks. You can accept to take what they are offering or you can not “work” for them. Another option is for players to go on strike in essence. Companies are allowed to set the wages. You can try to negotiate all you want but I’m the end it is the company who is in control. I personally don’t care about players getting paid. I just don’t think these athletes are mistreated martyrs.What they get is pretty fair to me. Especially at 18 years old.

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

You say your experience is only in labor, so I'll make a reach and say you haven't gone through a traditional undergraduate program. I'll also reach and assume you haven't had top D1 athlete skills that could earn your school's athletic department millions upon millions of dollars in revenue from multiple channels.

You were likely paid while you worked as an apprentice, and it was likely commensurate with the value you provided your employers. Imagine you were a top "journeyman electrician" with skills that were beyond 99% of your peers and created millions of dollars of revenue but were forced to work for free but were given "3 square meals and a bed" and had to take classes that were unrelated to being an electrician like English literature, philosophy, calculus and Latin American history. I doubt you would think "well who cares if I don't get to share in the massive revenue I'm directly creating while I put my physical and mental health on the line, I got to learn about Shakespear and write a paper about Socrates!"

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stuckupnorth's picture

I have never went through an apprenticeship. I am just good ol fashion labor. I made the choice that it wasn’t worth it for me. At 18 the rent was due.I do however contribute to my company. Which turned over around 200 million. While just unskilled labor I contributed greatly to this. As far as metal and physical stress we have plenty. I believe there has been four people that has died on the job and the countless number of people with missing digits. Factor in the toll of working seven days a week for numerous months at a time. Before April I had one scheduled day off. Add in the uncountable 12 hour days in extreme heat. With the uncertainty of working 12 hour days and the toll that takes on trying to find day care and being a husband and father the stress is real.I don’t say this lightly. It is a choice I have made. It is the same choice these young voting adults have as well. I appreciate the conversation. You brought a point without being a jerk. I hope I’m not coming off as smug or combative 

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Sideshow's picture

I’d hate to work at a company where I only received a flat salary and didn’t get to share in the profits. Unfortunately, thats what big time college sports are. It’s balogne and needs to be corrected.

“When we feel love and kindness toward others, it not only makes others feel loved and cared for, but it helps us also to develop inner happiness and peace.” – Dalai Lama.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

His contract will get dwarfed by UFM's USC deal but since that is a private university we'll never know by how much.

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Knarcisi's picture

If Urban coaches USC, I’ll kiss your bare ass. 

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Bucknut20's picture

I'm literally laughing out loud at that right now.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

One of those is my upvote. I will come calling.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

also based your profile "Stockholm, Sweden (via Shadyside, OH)" you won't be hard to find, as there is only one-person on earth living in stockholm from Shadyside. 

It will be kissed.

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Knarcisi's picture

You better shave it first. 

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ashtabulassassin's picture

you won't be so lucky... 

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NorCal Buckeye's picture

I'd be more worried he used a wet wipe than if it had a little fur on it.

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BuckeyeRealist13's picture

I've always heard USC underpays their coaches compared to schools like Alabama, Ohio State, and Texas. I doubt Urban makes more than Saban/Dabo wherever he ends up. Even if he did, I feel like Clemson/Bama would just give their guys a raise to top it. 

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BrutusB's picture

I believe Sabans contract has a clause to keep him highest paid automatically. 

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saintstephen11's picture

what if two coaches had that clause?  They'd both get paid infinity dollars.

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ashtabulassassin's picture

The AD knows its the only hire that will safely save his job so UFM should be able to mank bank with him basically under financial duress. Also don't think Meyer's competitive nature won't make him want to beat dabo's contract.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Urban aint in their league right now.DV away, but he's not

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TigerSweat's picture

I heard that he is really good at utilizing all the resources Clemson has to offer.

Urban Meyer >Jim Harbaugh for ever and ever, Amen. 0

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OSUnWV's picture

Wonder about his thoughts now .

Almost exactly five years ago, during the ultimately failed push for Northwestern football players to form a union, Swinney offered the following opinion to the Charleston Post & Courier: “We try to teach our guys, use football to create the opportunities, take advantage of the platform and the brand and the marketing you have available to you. But as far as paying players, professionalizing college athletics, that's where you lose me. I’ll go do something else, because there's enough entitlement in this world as it is.”

I also wonder what happens to this fat contract if the FBI gets to snooping around , his , aw shucks tone may change a bit. Plus , a 6 million dollar buyout for Alabama wouldnt be anything , they should have bumped it to around 10 or 12.

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Northbrook's picture

Nobody doing anything is worth that kind of money.

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PhillyNut's picture

If you are making a major multiple for your shareholders above what you are getting paid and your company is crazy profitable then you are worth it .  For me that is not the average CEO that virtually no one knows but people like Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, and Jeff Bezos are worth whatever they get/got paid and then some. 

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

Everyone you cited is a founder not CEO and most of their wealth is tied to equity in companies they created.

Different from whomever is running Disney now or GE

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stuckupnorth's picture

Yes they are. Hate to break it to you. Something is worth what someone is willing to pay.Dabo is worth more in revenue to Clemson than 9 million a year. That to me doesn't makes sense. The clemson football team generated around 52 million. Dabo is a big reason why. They have also seen their enrollment raise since the titles. So basically they are getting almost a 6-1 return on their investment in him. I wish my portfolio looked that good.It is money well spent.

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BrewinBuckFan's picture

Clemson football generated 52 million but what is the total cost of the program, scholarships, facilities, assistant coaches etc.

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stuckupnorth's picture

That I don’t know. Scholarships I would guess are free. They are basically a tax break the way I look at it. I could be way off there. I don’t think it actual dollars they are paying for a scholly. I also don’t think they are turning paying customers away to fit in the football team.I don’t know all of the individual cost to run a program. It’s not cheap. That said the amount they bring in far exceeds the cost , I would think. Most schools football programs pay for the majority of all the other sports. I could be off base here as well but Clemson enrollment numbers went up and I would bet there football revenues have grown substantially since Dabo took over.

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Northbrook's picture

No. Nobody is worth it. It is obscene. Don't be a greedy prick.

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stuckupnorth's picture

Why you gotta call someone on the board a greedy prick? I don’t understand you little boys who are insecure to the point you gotta internet tough guy. There ain’t no  reason to call someone that. Be a grown up. Have a grown up conversation. That is exactly what people who don’t have a clue about how economic systems work that they benefit from . They can’t bring a logical response to a conversation, so they call names like a child because they can’t sit and talk rationally at the adults table. You ask them to explain their reasoning because you are willing to hear them out. Instead they call you name and still don’t respond. It’s because they don’t know what they believe. I guarantee you never turn down a pay raise and would take 10 million a year to do your job.

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late to the convo, but....  Calvin Mcdonald, CEO of Lululemon athletic apparel has made his shareholders collectively about 8 billion dollars in the last 12 months... in an industry dominated by Nike, Adidas, Reebok, Under Armor and literally a thousand other athletic brands I'm sure his shareholder are happy to pay him his few million dollars. And if you think what he does is easy.. try copying him... get yourself to the head of a multinational athletic apparel company and compete with large corporations where you are outmanned and outfinanced.

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saintstephen11's picture

You are exactly worth what someone is willing to pay you.

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Buckeye Chuck's picture

The fact that this contract includes a Bama clause tells me that they know this is a battle they're not going to win in the long run. 

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

I don't buy his awe shucks routine. He's as dirty as they come and makes me sick to see people like that get praised and rewarded for cheating.

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BrewstersMillions's picture

Just not enough money for them kids though...Good for Dabo. Maybe now we'll be spared his whole "We're just lil ol Clemson" routine.

Proudly dispensing unbridled arrogance since 1983.

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SuperFanBuck's picture

Pride comes before the fall Dabo. 

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stuckupnorth's picture

what is prideful? Also you forgot most of that verse.Also it is Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before the fall.

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Swaggy's picture

I have no problem with this.  Dabo is a great coach and he definitely had Urban's number.  I think some OSU fans still hold a grudge for his "negative recruiting" of Jackson Carman (even though Dabo correctly predicted the future).  He's got Clemson rolling both on the field and in recruiting.

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seyekcuB's picture

Dabo is a piece of shit. The way he ran his starter out of town for a freshman QB confirmed that.

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Swaggy's picture

Totally disagree. I don’t think that makes him a POS at all.  He made a business decision and wasn’t loyal to an upperclassman.  Trevor Lawrence>>>>>Kelly Bryant and Dabo made the right decision and has a national championship to show for it. 

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seyekcuB's picture

The 4 d linemen drafted in the first round of this year NFL draft had alot more to do with it than the Qb. Dick move and I would think twice about sending my kid to play for that guy.

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stuckupnorth's picture

T Lawrence would have been the first pick in the draft this year. Did you watch the title game. He played lights out. D line was outstanding but Kelly Bryant wasn’t gonna do that. Dabo gave him a chance and he just didn’t perform the way Dabo thought he should. That is called coaching and it’s why Dabo is just getting started in winning titles.

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stuckupnorth's picture

That makes him a winner. That’s what separates him from Urban. He played the more talented player. That is fair for the whole team not just the starter. Lawarance is gonna be the first pick of the draft. Why bench someone like that for an underachieving upperclassmen. Kelly was not gonna take them to title game. Sounds kinda familiar. Upper class men starting over a superior talented under class men. Difference is Dabo wasn’t to prideful to make the correct change.

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Ps it's's picture

I remember a smart coach benching Todd Boeckman for Terrelle Pryor.  Maybe he is actually good at this

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Das Hufeisen's picture

"He had Urban's number" = he missed playing OSU in 2014 and 2015.

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SaltyD0gg's picture

Everyone else (players) are getting paid at Clemson. Might as well pay the boss.

Pain of Discipline

Pain of Regret

Take Your Pick

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seyekcuB's picture

Let that be a lesson to you kids out there...cheating gets rewarded!!! Way to send the right message. A
well run program has dudes that can not use the English language well, use steroids daily and has first hand knowledge of boosters paying star players.

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Swaggy's picture

Just my opinion but there is a lot of bitterness in this thread.  I'm just as big a Buckeye fan as anyone here but I will give credit where credit is due.  Dabo is a winner and deserves this contract.  I know some people are still salty about him 31-0'ing us a few years ago but I definitely respect the man as a coach and I can't hate on him.  

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BuckZealot's picture

Your are absolutely right, and I admit it.  I am bitter.  No one likes getting owned.  That 31-0 a$$ whooping still stings, and exposed the limitations of our offense(sorry JTBIV) at the time(and our defense apparently).....Jackson Carman is a Buckeye now if that didn't happen. 

I remember the 2013 game also, I was like, "well that was deflating." 

Enjoy the wins over *ichigan, ....I still remember the dark days of the 1990's....

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Swaggy's picture

I blame that solely on Urban.  How do you walk into the playoff semi's with that half assed game plan?  And then in the post game presser say that "We will be a good passing team...next year".  That shit pissed me off.

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