**Spoilers ** Avengers: Endgame **Spoilers**

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elitesmithie's picture

Better half and I went last night at 11. Never saw a parking lot that full on a Thursday at 11PM. Thought Russo's did an amazing job of wrapping up 10 years and 20 plus movies while balancing a million characters. In the end this was the OG Avengers swan song. Things that stand out the next day to me.

1. I AM IRON MAN

2. Hail Hydra

3. Cap + Mjolnir

4. Soul Stone part 2

5. Assguardians of the Galaxy?

6. Effects on Bruce/Hulk was stunning

7. When the portals open up and the masses come out culminating 23 movies of nerd Nirvana - never dreamed growing up that comics would be mainstream like this. Amazing.

8. Cap got his dance!

9. Bucky already knew before he left

10. Wish Fury would have last line, this is his team after all

Anyways, once the last fight with Mjolnir, the gates opening up and BP walks out, Iron Man sealing the deal and Pepper telling him its ok to rest and that they were taken care of now. Wow, and the ending with Cap. I am not sure I expected this or even wanted. I probably would've wished for more set up of X Men, FF4 etc. But for once we can watch a Marvel movie without it showing the next step. /End nerd rant

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Jumar's picture

That Hail Hydra quip was great. So many nerd Nirvana points throughout with Easter eggs hidden everywhere.

The oldest was asking where Fury was at the end. Didn't understand why he only had the small cameo at the end. Pepper showing up and being with Iron Man as he died was a great way to end it.

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cmented36's picture

Didn't read anything in this thread, but to literally make a Spoilers thread right after watching the Movie on the Thursday night release is a complete dick move no matter how many ***Spoilers*** warnings you post.  And get off my lawn!!!

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Jumar's picture

I get it, but there are plenty of spoilers around the interwebs and plenty of nerds here who saw it last night. There is a similar thread going for Game of Thrones weekly. Those that watch when it comes out like talking about it with others. Those that haven't watched it yet can skip over the thread until they see it.

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elitesmithie's picture

Why open a thread called spoilers then?

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Jumar's picture

Because I would like to discuss the film with Internet friends. There are some here, especially Quad, who have some strong opinions and hot takes. It's nice to know what they think about it.

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elitesmithie's picture

Sorry, I was referring to the person above complaining that they were forced to enter a thread with the title spoilers in it....

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Jumar's picture

All good. Sorry for thinking that was directed toward me. It's hard to see who replies to who sometimes.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

to literally make a Spoilers thread right after watching the Movie on the Thursday night release is a complete dick move 

No, opening a thread clearly titled with spoilers just to whine and bitch about spoilers is the only dick move here. It's an epic movie and people want to talk about it, nobody forced you to open this thread so bugger off.

Also, if you hadn't been in such a hurry to start whinging you would have seen Jumar created this thread this morning. I almost created the same thread after seeing the movie last night but was too drained for coherent thought.

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Jumar's picture

whinging

Nice Hound impression.

I almost created the same thread after seeing the movie last night but was too drained for coherent thought.

Thought about the same, but came home to water in the basement and spent 2 hours cleaning it up.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Oof, that sucks! Hopefully you didn't have any stuff ruined

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aphilly02's picture

AMAZING. This movie went right to my top 3 of the MCU. The fan service was so great. So many perfect cameos that really made the universe feel tightly knitted.

My favorite moments and notes:

1. Top moment has to be when everyone comes back. That scene and the "assemble" line was so cool

2. Hail Hydra - Great elevator scene (Rumlow and Sitwell cameos) that references a recent comic book story line where Cap goes rogue

3. RDJ. Amazing performace throughout. Him with his daughter was really great and developed him even more as a character. "I am Iron Man" Also- his scenes with his father were so great and helped provide so much closure. Now he can rest like Pepper asked him when he discovered time travel.

4. Thor. Everything from the beer gut to telling his mom "I'm not from the future... I'm from the future" ...then he cries LOL 

5. Professor Hulk was really cool. They made him so realistic I really enjoyed the CGI. It really infused Ruffalo's look and mannerisms well. 

6. Sam becoming Captain was really cool. Excited for him and Bucky's adventures on Disney+

7. I am curious if Loki disappearing with the tesseract in New York will be the launching pad to his Disney+ show (It is apparently going to be about him going through out history and making mischief).

8. Ant-Man stole the show. He was so funny in just about every scene and his Giant Man scene in the battle was sick. I was hoping for a more emotional reunion with Hope like he did with Cassie but that's okay, it was still great to see hem doing something together.

9. Interesting move leaving Capt. Marvel out for a while. But she is so powerful that it made sense for plot reasons to keep her away for a bit.

10. Thanos making himself food in the beginning and then losing his head was hilarious.

11. So Vision is officially gonezo since they didn't even bring him back.

12. Got really emotional during the soul stone scene. Had to figure it would be Nat though, Hakweye/Ronin was fighting to get his family back.

13. Robert Redford!!!!!!!!!!! And his body guard was ESPN's Matthew Berry!!!

14. Nice cameos at the funeral. (The one dude no one recognizes is Harley from IM3. I wonder if he is there to lay seeds for an Iron Man return, only it's him instead - could be a nice duo set up between him and Peter Parker)

15. Wanted more Fury, but his subtle nod at the end coming full circle from the first post credits scene was cool.

16. IS THOR PART OF GOTG NOW???

17. Surprised Natalie Portman returned for a bit scene

18. Rocket naming all the guardians and calling Mantis the girl with the antenna... Laughed out loud.

19. Nebula's whole arc was awesome and interesting to see how much she has changed since the days of working for Thanos/Ronan. Her holding hands with Rocket at the beginning was nice too after all the loss.

20. Nice cameo for Tilda Swinton too as The Ancient One. Her explaining the results of messing with time to Banner was cool. It was also a cool way to show a little bit more of Mark Ruffalo as a human.

21. They wrapped up everything very well. My guess on an Avenger lineup now: Capt. Marvel, Black Panther, Spidey, Bucky, Sam, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man (Dr. Strange likes to do things on his own)

22. Cap spending his life with Peggy was great but confusing. Does that not mess up a timeline? If the Russos tell me to accept that he had a happy ending and nothing was affected, that is fine with me. I will not search for plot holes.

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aphilly02's picture

TLDR: I loved everything in the movie.

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Jumar's picture

Great breakdown.

They could possibly bring Vision back without the mindstone. He was an AI, and was surely backed up somewhere. If he was, with the help of Shuri they might be able to bring him back from some sort of backup. Might be far fetched, but there is a SW/Vision show coming to Disney+.

Ant-man was great, second only to Iron Man.

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aphilly02's picture

Right that's what I am guessing too. I saw Elizabeth Olen said it had a 50s vibe or setting. Not sure if that is time traveling or if they're just going to do something with the story that makes it seem that way. I definitely think you are right about Shuri bringing him back. They laid the ground work in IW that its possible he could live without. He has bits of Ultron, Banner, Tony, and Jarvis in him to carry enough consciousness. 

Ant Man helped keep thing light. RDJ really brought the hammer down with his emotional scenes.

Forgot to add... Cap wielding Mjolnir was unreal. He seemed like a seasoned veteran with it, even inducing lightning.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Interesting move leaving Capt. Marvel out for a while. But she is so powerful that it made sense for plot reasons to keep her away for a bit.

My biggest concern going into this movie was that they would try and make Captain Marvel the big hero that saves the day, so I was quite happy when I had heard she was getting so little screen time. Frankly I would have preferred that she not even be in this movie and that they just wrap this arc with the existing slate of characters.

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Frimmel's picture

The thing is that Cpt. Marvel is way above the power scale for most of the rest of the universe and her movie did a pretty poor job of explaining her powers. I'm curious just how much of her stuff for the film got edited out of the movie. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Only above the power scale in the MCU, not the comics - Thor is substantially more powerful than she is. In the comics Thanos literally knocked her out with a single punch when she was "Binary" (her most powerful form).

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Buckeye_Condor's picture

its shit they change like this that makes me not like it as much. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I enter of my own volition...

We're (the lad, the Mrs, and I) going tomorrow afternoon. I know this thing is bombastic, so I'm not bothered by the spoilers.

Everything I've read, either spoiler-free or no, has Endgame wrapping things up proper.

Starting to get really stoked for this now.

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aphilly02's picture

Bring tissues and go to the bathroom before the movie, twice

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Hovenaut's picture

Right?

The boy has a football game before (we'll sprint home to get him changed afterwards), I told him he'd better go light on the water.

While she wants to see this, the Mrs. was doing some initial sniping about the run time...but then I threw out the Titanic reference (3hr 15 run time).

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aphilly02's picture

I'm too young to have seen Titanic in theaters. The VHS we had though had 2 separate cassettes. Was there an intermission for that movie?

If young Hove, or any of you for that matter, need a bathroom break, do it at these moments:

  • San Fran title card comes up
  • Dr. Banner eating lunch
  • New Jersey title card comes up

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I'm too young to have seen Titanic in theaters

And now I feel old.

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Jumar's picture

And now I feel old.

You are old if you saw Braveheart in theaters.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Yup, came out my junior year of high school. I'm a proper old fart now...

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Braveheart was the same...so long they had an intermission

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

No intermission for either of those in at the theater I saw them in. Same for Dances With Wolves, no intermission

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Mark's picture

The last time I recall an intermission, I was at a drive-in movie.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

The only movie I recall in the last 25 years that had an intermission was the Grindhouse double-feature that Tarentino and Robert Rodriguez did and that intermission was actually part of the movie LOL.

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DCBuckeye33's picture

There a LOT of plot holes and issues with the handling of time travel BUT...WHO CARES!?!?! That was the single greatest fan service movie of all time, it was amazing fun the entire time, there were clever quips at every turn but it never felt forced or overdone. I loved it. AVENGERS.....ASSEMBLE. You have to be heartless to not fall out of your chair cap dropped that line.

The best thing the MCU has done has been creating serious moments without taking themselves too seriously. Like rocket saying 'hes pretty good at that' after caps speech. And this movie delivered on that. Lot of heavy scenes done well, but never taking themselves too seriously.

It delivered on what i wanted to see anyway. Fun, callbacks, intense, great!

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Jumar's picture

AVENGERS.....ASSEMBLE. You have to be heartless to not fall out of your chair cap dropped that line.

I felt like a kid again when that happened. Seeing everybody reappear, especially the scene between Spidey and Iron Man was great.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I was giggling like a little kid when Thor had both Mjölnir and Stormbreaker

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Going tonight...already know what happens...anxious to see how they do it all. Bummed about Tony. Cap's ending pretty predictable. Called that one way back when the trailer came out

Kind of bummed Sam becomes Cap. I think Anthony Mackie is a dull and boring actor. Cannot see him carrying a moving if they want to continue with the Cap movies. Sebastian Stan would have been 10 times better. That whole thing bugs me more than anything else. Falcon is such a pointless character...and now he gets the shield. 

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Jumar's picture

Agreed on Bucky getting the shield. He is a better actor and more developed character.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Plus Bucky has that super soldier serum stuff, similar to Cap - whereas Sam is just a regular guy with a cool backpack of wings. Bucky would have mad much more sense.

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Weave77's picture

Cap wouldn't do that to his best friend, though... he knew that Bucky was tired of fighting and just wanted peace.

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Alex Ranttila's picture

The thing is, Bucky is tired too. He has been through a lot. I think Steve knew Bucky didn't want to be Captain.

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BGSUBucksFan's picture

Told you Iron Man was going down.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Hi. Just return from seeing and I guess I'll be that guy. I didn't care for it. Waaay too many emotional, tear jerk moments, as in pretty much the whole movie. It was like f*cking Terms of Endearment with superheroes. 

I get that the Russo's had one hell of a difficult job with wrapping up that phase and I hate to judge harshly. Honestly, I'm not at all sure what they could have done differently. It just had a 2015 Buckeye Offense feel to it, where they tried so hard to involve everyone and allow them to show their emotional acting chops that the story suffered. Hated the direction they took Thor, especially after Infinity War

Finally, everything that I'm expressing may be complete bullshit. It wouldn't be the first time I saw a movie, didn't like it, and then went crazy for it after a second watch. 

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burger1124's picture

For me, I'd rate this between a 6 and a 7 out of 10. The first two hours had some great moments, but also some plot developments that I felt were truly awful. Like, actively bad. It was not a good sign to me that leading up to Black Widow's sacrifice, I thought to myself "They really need to nail this last hour for this movie to be good at all." Thankfully, i thought the end was well done. Not perfect, but well done. But it still should've been at least a half hour shorter

In all honesty, I'm seeing a lot of critical pushback on Infinity War and praise for Endgame, but I still think Infinity War was the tighter, more tonally consistent, more well-constructed film. I would put Endgame as the third best Avengers film, and honestly it hovers between the 50th percentile and the lower third in the MCU as a whole for me.

However, the direction was tonally inconsistent. Some of the decisions just did not work. The Tokyo sequence with Hawkeye was awful. Fat Thor is the Jar Jar of the MCU. Overall, I definitely don't think it was a failure, although it flirted with disaster in that opening two-thirds.

What I've been saying to people who asked me for a spoiler-free view is that if Harry Potter 8 was your favorite Potter film, then you're gonna love this movie. For me, some of the sendoffs felt unearned. Tony's death just didn't land for me. Loved Cap's sendoff though.

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Jumar's picture

Fat Thor is the Jar Jar of the MCU.

Best description so far. The direction they took Thor did not make sense. They should have allowed the comedy to flow through Ant-man and Rocket instead of forcing it through Thor.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Agreed, did not care for fat Thor - I get that they wanted him to appear weaker this time since he nearly defeated Thanos on his own the first time (and thus wouldn't really justify needing all of the other characters at the end) but it was more weird and annoying than funny.

Was happy to see Korg again, dude cracks me up.

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, I didn't care for fat Thor either.  Especially since he had pure abdominal sag and huge arms.  

The Lebowski joke was funny, but not worth fat Thor.  

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Whatevs, I'm ALL IN on Guardians of the Galaxy Volume: (Fat)Thor .

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Meek's picture

That was a highlight for me. My daughters were into a shirtless Thor, saw his bare shoulders first and thought 'here we go' Then they throw out the American Thor. Ha.

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CedarBuck92's picture

So what is your favorite Harry Potter movie?

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elitesmithie's picture

Thor wasnt comedy, it was a drunken example of PTSD. I see this get confused often

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Frimmel's picture

That was one of the weaker sections of the movie for me. I think you're right about the confusion but I think the creators also got confused. I think the pace was wrong and that was a horrible shaky-cam section which also bollocksed up the thing. They crashed through it too quickly (pushing more to the comedy take) but still managed to make it feel like it took forever. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

I disagree with the confusion take, Frimmel, because the MCU already did that exact thing with Valkyrie in Ragnarok. I think it was simply a lack of creativity, or as someone else mentioned here, Thor came pretty close to killing Thanos in IW and they had to take him down a peg. I just hated the way they did it, especially for kids. Both Valrkyrie and fat Thor were uncomfortable for parents with young-ish kids. Lazy storytelling, IMO.

EDIT: I think they were going for The Dude, but it ended up awful.

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Frimmel's picture

Well discomfort would explain all the laughing. Maybe they did get it right. A lot of times when folks are uncomfortable they'll laugh at stuff like PTSD. PTSD is not a comfortable thing. Self-destruction and self-pity are not positive cheery things. So you get lots of laughs when it isn't funny. 

Shaky-cam killed the whole scene for me. I couldn't look at it. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I don't remember shaky cam with Thor, but the shaky cam bit at the beginning when Hawkeye lost his family was horrific -- was afraid the whole movie was going to be like that.

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Frimmel's picture

Hawkeye at the start, Fat Thor, and Nebula-Gamora-Nebula were egregious and awful shaky cam scenes. They weren't the only ones but they were the ones where a handheld style became what are they trying to do to us? This was even worse than how these guys drug down Winter Soldier with the style. The action scenes used it and they didn't quite middle everything up with it but I think that was in spite of themselves. 

The duel scene with Hawkeye and the crime lord was very much a demonstration of just because you can do something it doesn't mean you should. 

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

Exactly, he was traumatized. He views things as heavily his fault, both incidents with Thanos, and most of his people were wiped out even before the snap. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Was not expecting them to kill off SacrJo, but if it had to be her or Hawkeye I guess it made more sense since to kill her off. Still bummed me out though.

So I'm assuming Captain America also returned Thor's hammer along with the Stones? And how was he planning on visiting those two planets to return the Power and Soul stones?

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fairvis's picture

Saw last night, missed the second half of the first round of the draft, and it was worth it.

My thoughts on the Cap timeline:

Once he returned all the stones, those timelines can continue.  His divergence on a separate timeline was probably on another jump after all of the stones were taken back (I'm guessing at each jump you can potentially branch off into a new timeline).  I would've been happier (and more consistent) if he had returned on the pad aged-up and old with the shield versus just on a bench, it would've made following the in-universe rules a bit more consistent (and established that the quantum realm is much more of a portal to a multiverse than anything else).

Fat Thor was great, but definitely showed how broken the man had become. I'm looking forward to seeing him come back together as a member of Asgardians of the Galaxy - GotG Vol. 3 should be an excellent foray into the Marvel Cosmic universe as they hunt for 2014 Gamora.

The Hail Hydra moment just killed it.  Perfect for Cap's arc to know when to fight and know when to sneak away with deception for the greater good.

To be honest, lots of people staying dead makes a lot of sense.  Stark snapping Thanos and his minions out of existence, thus fulfilling the 1 out of 14 million scenarios and why Strange gave up the stone. The Soul Stone is a mystery, to be honest, since Thanos is shown to be able to travel into the realm and talk with Gamora. I wonder if there's going to be some callbacks with that and Black Widow in future films. 

Spiderman Far From Home will be able to wrap up some of the hanging threads, I'm sure - like how freaked out everyone is after snapping back to existence 5 years later, and the changes and problems that would result.  Only reversing the snap means that a lot of Thanos's destruction still exists (such as the decimation of Xandar and the Nova Corps) so it's still going to be a dangerous universe.  However, the stories of how Earth brought everyone back will be something that will feed through the cosmos, and it'll be interesting how the powers throughout take into account this new planet that's shown to be able to beat back even the most dire of threats.  Probably not well!

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Frimmel's picture

Except for the shaky-cam scenes which were brutal for me I liked the movie. 

Cap with Mjolnar and Cap with Carter were worth it though. 

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Johnny Depth's picture

There was one person at the funeral I didn't recognize. very surprise cameo

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Jumar's picture

Took me a little while to realize it was Harley from Iron Man 3.

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RBurgundy4's picture

What up, Gumar?

Believe it or not, he is actually a friend of the family. His name is Ty Simpkins and his mom and my wife grew up together and remain in touch. He's the same age as our middle child and they used to hang out when they were little, before moving to CA. His mom told my wife some time ago that he was in it, but "don't blink or you'll miss it". He's done a bunch of stuff, tho, including the little kid in Insideous and role in one of the Jurrasic Park movies. His older sister is also an actor.

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Jumar's picture

That's awesome. Hopefully they use him for upcoming roles or cameo. Would be nice to see the Iron Man mantel live on in the MCU.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Yeah, it's kind of a neat thing. Pretty certain his mom wouldn't be able to reveal if he were to remain involved with MCU, or not. He's just a kid still, anyway -17 or 18-, so it may be a stretch right now to take that on. I wouldn't know.

I did think it was nice how the Russo's were sure to bring so many back for some sort of cameo out of respect, and perhaps to ensure that they get a credit for the movie. Even if it was in memory or time travel form, they got a whole bunch of people a moment on screen. I guess Sir Anthony Hopkins was like, yeah, no thanks. Ha! 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Can any of you dorks explain how Cap was able to summon lighting while he had the hammer? That's sticking with me and I don't get it. Pops Thor asked Thor after Sister Thor crushed the hammer if he was the God of Hammers, or the God of Thunder? Thor has the lighting power, not the hammer. So what gives?
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Frimmel's picture

Being able to wield the hammer allows you to wield the power of Thor. Thor doesn't need the hammer but if you're not Thor and can wield the hammer or have your own lightning powers. Mjolnar was kind of a crutch for Thor. Cap is worthy to wield the hammer thus can call the lightning. 

Look up the scene in Thor where Odin takes Thor's powers. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Thank you, Frimmel. I'll take your word for it, regarding the Odin/Thor scene. Appreciate the assist.
It was indeed, cool as hell when Cap wielded it, and quite funny when Thor told him "you get the little one" during the final battle scene.

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Frimmel's picture

Did anyone else think that Cpt. Marvel wasn't really rocking the short haircut? She already is a plain woman and that look was not at all flattering. 

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RBurgundy4's picture

Yeah, not sure where that even came from, or what the point was at all. Anyway, she's an attractive young woman, for sure, but that maybe wasn't her best look. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Anyway, she's an attractive young woman, for sure

She does absolutely nothing for me, comes across as extremely unlikeable and cold in every interview I've seen from her. From the group interviews it doesn't look like her cast mates really liked her either. The ones she did with Jeremy Renner, Chris Hemsworth and Don Cheadle are cringe-worthy.

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RBurgundy4's picture

Yep, I think she's a total nutjob. However, I've spent way more time thinking about this than I should have and have determined that she's is pleasant enough to look at. Been thinking about it since seeing Ctp Marvel over a month ago. Then I went the added step of watching her in some dreadful Netflix trash movie that she made with SL Jackson. All that, just to determine whether or not I thought she was attractive to look at. Can't do anything about crazy. If I put that part aside, I say she is attractive. Maybe not Earth-moving, as movie stars go. Kinda plain, as Frimmel said, but she's the type pf pretty that will probably age very well and she'll still be pretty when she's 60. Of course, she'll probably still be nuts, as well. 

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Frimmel's picture

One of the things I said about Larson in the Cpt. Marvel movie was that she was not so attractive as to be threatening to the women and not unattractive enough that the boys just won't watch. Blandly attractive like Rey in the Force Awakens. We're free to project anything we like on them. 

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BuckeyeChief's picture

Her hair is like that in the comics.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Going for her comic book appearance, perhaps?

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Frimmel's picture

Sure But Ms. Larson is rather a square jawed female and she is less curvy compared to the comic Danvers. So the look was very different in affect. Often I like short hair cuts on women but this didn't work. 

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Supposedly was was Stan Lee's final cameo, in person at least, seems a fitting end if that is indeed the case.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Great movie and great way to tie up the last 10 years. And it did NOT screw up the timeline just as long as Cap put the stones back where they were (and he did obviously). That was the point Banner made to The Ancient One and the only reason she gave up the time stone.

Stark dying the way he did tore me up because of his little girl.

Tony calling Thor Lebowski about made me spit my drink out.

Avengers Assemble. Geeked out!

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I laughed when Tony called Rocket a Build a Bear. 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Called ant man stuart little, too, lol

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I gotta admit I yelled out in the theater when Cap finally said Avengers Assemble. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Saw it in IMAX last night...overall for me a 7.5 or 8 out of 10. 

-Tony dying was tough to watch. Well done and just hit me in the feels. 

-Cap was a bad ass. From start to finish. Best performance by Evans and using Cap. Love the combination of Thor's powers with his. 

-Fat Thor was funny until they went time traveling. At some point I wanted him to get in shape. Cut the hair and lose the fake beard. 

-A lot of screen time for Hawkeye. Actually feel like he was utilized this time around. He did some work. 

-Nat dying was ok with me. She wasn't a favorite of mine. 

-Still waiting for Hulk to do to Hulk things. Just kind of pointless other than showing how smart he is now. 

-Dr. Strange has become my favorite character.

-Set of GoG 3...the search for Gamora. 

-Interested to see who become the next big bad guy in the movies. 

-Sam getting the shield from Cap is about as bland as white rice. Falcon is a pointless character. A back pack with wings. 

-Anthony Mackie and Bree Larson do not have a lot of personality. Dreadfully boring. I wish Emily Blunt would have accepted the role of Captain Marvel when they offered it to her. 

-Cap's ending was as expected. Exactly how I predicted. And it is ok. Still don't understand all the timeline stuff but it's cool. Sentiment over logic. 

-I really thought having Pepper Potts in a suit fighting was lame. 

Probably will see it again to really watch it this time. The battle was really cool but there is so much happening. And I wanted to see some time focused more on certain characters fighting. I guess that is issue with a movie like this. 

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Jumar's picture

Emily Blunt would have been much better as Captain Marvel. She could have team up with Fantastic Four when Jim Halpert takes on a role in it.

CM and Falcon are boring. I hope they dont do anything else with them on their own.

Pepper had to be there at the end, so I'm OK with her fighting in the suit.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

You know he finished second to Chris Evans for Captain America...Jim Halpert that is 

and it is time to get the fantastic four figured out 

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Frimmel's picture

John Krasinski and Emily Blunt for Reed and Sue Richards. 

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Yep. That would be pretty amazing. I mean they have to introduce the FF into this Marvel Disney universe at some point. 

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elitesmithie's picture

She was amazing as a bad ass in Live Die Repeat

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Frimmel's picture

I don't think I've seen her in something and didn't think she is amazing. Enjoyed "Live Die Repeat" despite the shaky-cam they use. That was a very well done and edited film and I really enjoyed Blunt's performance.

I almost went to see that new Mary Poppins movie because she was in it and I've never particularly cared for "Mary Poppins."

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

I really thought having Pepper Potts in a suit fighting was lame. 

She has a suit in the comics (alter-ego: Rescue), was basically more fan service.

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Meek's picture

She has wore the suit in various IM movies and controlled that overheating injection experiment which gave her powers in one.

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Hovenaut's picture

Just took our seats, so ready for this.

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Jumar's picture

Did you wear depends and bring some tissues?

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Hovenaut's picture

Emptied out before hitting the theater. 

Could've used a tissue or two, though.

Absolutely blown away...I felt like I was 10 again, staying up late reading comics. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

I thought it was a nice touch at the end when Happy is sitting with Tony's little girl, and Happy asked her if she was hungry and she said she wanted a cheeseburger. Nice nod to Iron Man 1. 

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BraxtonBarrett5's picture

I almost cried during that. Was so glad that scene ended so I didn't end up balling. Not to say I didn't like it, it was a great moment.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Awesome wrap up movie for the past decade.
Liked the Movie. I'm a bit bittersweet about it. I hate that the timeline wont go on with the old gang. Feel like listening to Bon Jovi Never Say Gooddbye, lol.
I liked Infinity War better.
The Girl Power roundup in the final battle and Falcon becoming Capt seemed out of place. The Children of Thanos were in the movie only to be specks of dust on the projector lens.
Interested to see to the new direction after this movie. I'm excited for Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Doctor Strange 2, after that I'm a little weary.
I'm not a big fan of the Spiderman Arc so far...I think I have a hard time likeing the actor as Peter Parker.
I give the movie a 8.5 out of 10.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

I feel your sentiment on the next stage for the MCU as well. Guardians 3 and Dr. Strange 2 and the Black Widow prequel will do well at the box office but they'll be standalone films. It feels like they are gearing up for a Young Avengers at some point. Whether anyone really cares about those characters is anyone's guess. I probably wont care.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

The only avenues that I see them being able to use to stitch together another 10 year run. If it is at all possible, is using Dr Doom, Galactus or Adam Warlock as the villains. Sure they just absorbed the Xmen, but doubt people are ready for another XMen reboot. Just ask DC how much appetite there is for a batman reboot.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Adam Warlock

They teased him in the GOTG 2 end-credits scene, which was odd because almost all MCU end-credits scenes have had to do with the Infinity saga or to just tell a joke. The Warlock tease had to be for GOTG3 or the next phase which would be very cool.

And FFS they need to get F4 and Silver Surfer right for once. Third time the charm?

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And FFS they need to get F4 and Silver Surfer right for once. Third time the charm?

Galactus, too. He's not a weird space-cloud thingy, dammit.

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oztintacius's picture

Isn't Adam Warlock a member of the GotG and a "good guy"?

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Isn't Adam Warlock a member of the GotG

He's had several adventures with them but he's not not a member

and a "good guy"

He's been good and bad

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Wargor's picture

The girl power scene bothered me.  And not because I have any problems with girl power.  My problem was that they practically shattered the fourth wall to hit us over the head with it.  Wild chaotic battle with 20+ individuals fights happening, mixing, and re-mixing and then all of a sudden all the female characters are free and available at the same place and time?  I was okay with it for the Wakanda battle scene in the previous movie since it was just a few and that was plausible, but I can't get plausible out of all the female characters magically coming together at that moment.  At least without some kind of story-telling to make it happen.  

Not a huge deal, and again, my problem is not with girl power, but rather with the way they just ignored their own reality to include all of the girls in that moment.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Didnt bother me as much. Doubtful we see all those female characters together in one place again either. There will never be another Avengers movie like this. if they do people will complain that it's already been done.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Doubtful we see all those female characters together in one place again either. There will never be another Avengers movie like this.

While it won't be all of those specific characters, Brie Larson is lobbying for (and to direct) an all-female Avengers like the ill-fated A-Force team in the comics.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

The girl power scene bothered me.  And not because I have any problems with girl power.  My problem was that they practically shattered the fourth wall to hit us over the head with it.

My and daughter thought that that scene was lame - so much so that that they commented on it during the movie. I laughed when Mantis joined the scene, like she could actually contribute anything to the battle / help protect the gauntlet.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

My and daughter

Oops, that should read "My wife and daughter"...

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Buckeyes17's picture

Saw it last night. Knew who died though as someone spoiled it for me beforehand.

I thought it was a great movie. I am not sure if I liked it more than IW though.

Stark is my favorite and it was sad to see him die, but it was really epic so... its cool.

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nomatta's picture

I am not a huge MCU fan, they are okay and I have seen most of them but not exactly my cup of tea when it comes to cinema. About the closest I come to liking movies like this were the LotR movies.

Anyways, I get why people loved this, it's a lot of fan service and a lot of character juggling moreso than it is an effective story unto itself, but that's what people wanted, they wanted the pay-off to this building storyline years in the making. And I guess on that level it sort of delivers, even if I felt the 3 hours were totally unnecessary. I did not care for the climactic battle and by that point was begging for the movie to end. Really fatigued by endless characters chasing each other around in a non-descript CGI environment with CGI creatures and effects swirling all around them.

The humor was okay but a little try-hard and I felt like too often they were trying to force quips and jokes in, just adding to the film's length even more. The plot was unnecessarily convoluted--again, for the sake of fan service stuff, not so much for the sake of telling an effective, efficient narrative.

I will say that everything with Tony Stark was pretty good and the finale of his arc quite good. Cap's storyline was also decent. After that, surprisingly it was Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nebula (of all people) that had the most interesting storylines. Hulk and Thor... not so much, though not for lack of screen-time. 

Captain Marvel is way too powerful. She's like a deus ex machina personified.

It was okay and did have some moving moments. Just wished it had been a lot more streamlined and maybe needed another rewrite or two at the script level to have everything more impactful, focused, and cogent. Definitely needed to be edited a lot tighter. I didn't mind that the film didn't really focus on action until the end, but I do think it needed some more memorable action scenes. A world of difference between how the action is constructed in, say, Fury Road... and then a movie like this where it's just a mess of computer-enhanced action shots with a few fist-pump beats and money shots dotted throughout.

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KBonay's picture

Was expecting more but fine with the wrap up. Wish there was more to ‘spoil’ but didn’t get the unexpected surprises we are used to. 

And  damnit, sat through the entire credits and nothing at the end. 

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NorthPoleBuckeye's picture

there was the audio of someone banging metal/iron like when Tony built a suit in the cave.

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KBonay's picture

3 hour movie.  6 minutes of credits.  I wanted a little more than background metal banging....

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RocketDan's picture

Just watched it this afternoon.  Good...not great.  Not sure what I was expecting but this wasn’t it.  I did enjoy seeing Robert Redford one last time...

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Thor, Son of Odin, Dude for Everyone made me bellow laughing. Can't wait for Asgardians of the Galaxy. The scene with him defending Karg on the mic of Fortnite was hilarious. Great movie overall. I loved every second of it

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Tritz50's picture

Loved it.  Fat Thor was by far my favorite character.  Similar to Tony in Ironman 3 it showed that even as super heroes they struggle with real life guilt and regret.  Thor could have killed Thanos and prevented the snap but his arrogance got the best of him again in wanting Thanos to know he got his revenge instead of "going for the head".  

Outside of Time Travel theory, I have two questions that didn't add up to me.  In order for Hawkeye to receive the soul stone he must lose that which he loves most, wouldn't that be his wife not Natasha?  You can say his wife was already gone at that point because of the snap, but that's false because she is in fact still a live in 2014 when he is on Vormir.

My other question is how is the Chitauri army with Thanos in the final battle scene when they were destroyed in 2012 at the battle of New York and Thanos is traveling from 2014?

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BuckeyeSki's picture

In order for Hawkeye to receive the soul stone he must lose that which he loves most, wouldn't that be his wife not Natasha?

Red Skull says "that which you love"; nothing about the most so it makes sense. He says the same in IW

Good question on the Chitauri, but Thanos thought Earth would easily fall and also didn't trust Loki, so it's very doubtful he gave him the entire force. Just my $0.02

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

My other question is how is the Chitauri army with Thanos in the final battle scene when they were destroyed in 2012 at the battle of New York and Thanos is traveling from 2014?

I don't think all Chitaurians were destroyed in the first Avengers movie, just the ones that were attacking earth.

In order for Hawkeye to receive the soul stone he must lose that which he loves most, wouldn't that be his wife not Natasha?  You can say his wife was already gone at that point because of the snap, but that's false because she is in fact still a live in 2014 when he is on Vormir.

As others have mentioned, the stone sacrifice has to be of something loved - not what is most loved. However, if you have to sacrifice a soul to get the stone, shouldn't someone have come back to life when Cap returned the stone?

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Tritz50's picture

But how did the Avengers defeat the Chitauri? Tony nuked their base and they all fell over dead.  Why would only the ones on earth fall over dead why not all of them?

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aboynamedtracy's picture

Here's a better question regarding the soul stone: why weren't they informed by Nebula ahead of time what was required in order to obtain it? Seems like that's kinda of a big thing not to account for when they were making plans to retrieve the stones. One of several things that made no sense.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

She (and thus everyone else) probably didn't know the specifics of how one obtains the Soul Stone. For all she knew Gamora could have turned on Thanos in a desperate attempt to stop him from getting the stone and was killed in the process.

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I'm Ron Burgundy's picture

That or Nebula did know the truth but didn't want to tell them, lest they may not want to go.  I mean, they are our heroes, so whether they found out in advance or on the spot, someone would have done it.  A little more dramatic how it went down versus an advanced discussion on Earth pre time jump.

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KBonay's picture

Regarding the Soul Stone.  If they went back in time and got it, then Thanos never had to sacrifice Gamora to get it.  So at Stark's funeral, wouldn't Gamora be alive now?

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BuckeyeSki's picture

Gamora isn't dead, she just never experienced anything with Peter Quill and the other Guardians, since she jumped from 2014 to the present day. She doesn't know Tony and has no real connection to anyone other than Nebula, who Gamora still believes hates her since they also didn't have their trials and tribulations. Gives a nice little segway into Quale's Quill's search for her in GotG3, presumably 

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Jumar's picture

Based on explanation from The Ancient One, time travel in MCU is not like time travel in Back to the future. Changing the past does not change the future, it causes a branch off in the timeline.

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Brohio's picture

Die hard MCU fan. Loved the movie. I was left with 2 questions:

1. If future Nebula kills past Nebula, how did she survive in the future? I thought once she killed herself she would have disappeared or something. 
2. What happened to Gamora? I felt this was left unresolved and then we just see Quill searching for her. 

And for the OP. I'm just gonna brush over the hilarious contradiction of complaining that a movie based on source material about Universal genocide where the antagonist personally brutally murders half of the main characters isn't kid friendly....and say half the reason Marvel has become such the box office powerhouse is that it started allowing the characters to age with the audience. They're dealing with imperfect, living breathing adult characters who curse, and do all the other normal adult things. It isn't going to change. However Marvel has been cranking out tons and tons of kid friendly content like Spider Man: Into the Spiderverse, Cloak & Dagger on FreeForm, and many more. There is plenty of stuff for kids. Let the adults have something too. /Rant

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

1. They said in Endgame that the time travel rules you know from movies doesnt really happen. So no, changing your past doesnt change your future. Hence the Back to the Future reference from Tony.

2. She fled because she was 2014 Gamora who had not fallen in love with Peter yet. Thats why you see Peter looking her up at the end.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

2. What happened to Gamora? I felt this was left unresolved and then we just see Quill searching for her. 

It felt unresolved because it was a deliberate choice to setup future story-lines. Same with Loki disappearing with the Tesseract in 2012, only to re-appear in his own show Disney's upcoming streaming service.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Anyone else feel like non-infinity stoned version of Thanos was actually more powerful (fighting ability wise) than stoned Thanos?

During Infinity War, Tony was more or less holding his own (for a time) when he fought Thanos (with 4 Infinity Stones) in single-combat on Titan, same with Thor in Wakanda when Thanos had all 6 stones. Yet during the final battle of Endgame, Thanos fought Thor, Iron Man and Captain America simultaneously - without any Infinity Stones - and barely broke a sweat.

I hope the the Blu-ray has some deleted scenes of Captain America returning the infinity stones. Watching him stalk and stab Natalie Portman on Asgard to re-inject her with the Aether / Reality Stone; and his interaction with Red Skull on Vormir when he returns the Soul Stone would be highly entertaining. I highly doubt we get either of those, but it would be fun if we did.

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Brohio's picture

Anyone else feel like non-infinity stoned version of Thanos was actually more powerful (fighting ability wise) than stoned Thanos?

I don't know about more powerful, but my gf who knows nothing of the MCU and only watched Infinity War about 2 hours before Endgame, was completely sympathetic towards Thanos. She was like "So wait, if they just left Thanos alone, everyone would just live on farms with plenty of resources and less pollution? The Avengers suck" lol

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Wargor's picture

Bah.  Earth's population doubled from 1960 to 1969.  Thanos bought 39 years at the cost of half of everybody.  

Yes, that's not an exact science, but unless there's a new Thanos every couple of generations (different for different species), his work becomes rather meaningless.  

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Not more powerful as in his ability to wipe out 50% of all living creatures, rather just in his ability to fight. Infinity War Thanos seemed like a more complex and interesting character than Endgame's Thanos. This new Thanos felt like your typically generic "destroy everything" MCU villain.

Here's another question, why was Peter Parker / Spider-man's buddy still in High School at the end of Endgame? Shouldn't he be 5 years older than Parker now (and by extension, graduated) since he wasn't snapped?

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LouBuck35's picture

Do we know for sure that he wasn't snapped?  It was obviously implied that he was happy to see him, but I think it was left open ended.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

Yes, he wasn't on the list of characters affected by the "snappening" that Marvel released earlier this year.

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BuckeyeSki's picture

IW Thanos only showed his physical fighting skill in the opening scene against the Hulk. After that, he was just playing with his new toys. He used the stones almost exclusively to fight everyone else in IW. Endgame version all he has is that awesome double edged sword (looked like Zidane's weapon from Final Fantasy 9 for you super nerds) 

Regarding Spidey, you have to assume Ned was snapped as well, and based on the Far From Home trailer, MJ, Betty, Flash as well since they are still high school aged and on a school-based trip to Europe. Hopefully they explain it all, but best not to overthink it from my viewpoint

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

IW Thanos only showed his physical fighting skill in the opening scene against the Hulk.

That only further illustrates my point, Thanos easily defeated Hulk whereas Hulk could easily defeat Captain America and a non-hulkbuster armor equipped Tony Stark. Thor and Hulk could fight to a draw, like we saw in Ragnarok.

you have to assume Ned was snapped as well, and based on the Far From Home trailer, MJ, Betty, Flash as well since they are still high school aged and on a school-based trip to Europe

Except Marvel told us who was snapped and who wasn't. I suppose it's possible that Spider-Man Far From Home could be set on an alternate Earth, but that concept hasn't been introduced to the MCU yet.

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Tritz50's picture

Another little tidbit that doesn't add up in retrospect. Ant-man was in the quantum realm for 5 years but said to him it was only 5 hours thus he hadn't really aged.  Janet Van Dyne was in the quantum realm for like 40 years so shouldn't that have equated to being 40 hours for her? Thus shouldn't she only have aged 2 days?

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elitesmithie's picture

I dont think its a 5 years to 5 minute ratio every time. I think its wacky and flucuates based on what he said.

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UFest57's picture

Saw it last night. GREAT flick. As the last battle was about to begin, I said to my buddy "if everyone is back, where the hell is BP and the Wakandan's??" then there they were. Perfect. 

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ZMBucks's picture

Wanda going full force and essentially beating Thanos was epic. She forced Thanos to call for help and sacrifice a lot of his army by telling them the fire from the ship on everyone. 

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Buckeyes17's picture

So Iron man is the MVP though. I mean, you can joke about the Rat and stuff but Iron Man really is the best.

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brothadudeguy's picture

I gotta say that Cap being able to use Thor's hammer was pretty awesome. Someone remind me though. Wasn't there a scene in Avengers: Age of Ultron where everyone takes a turn at lifting Thor's hammer and Cap couldn't do it then? How was he suddenly able to use his hammer in Endgame? 

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LouBuck35's picture

Lot of theories out there - but anyone can lift the hammer if they are deemed worthy.  Lot of stuff on the interwebz is saying that when Cap finally let go of the secret in Civil War (post Ultron) that Bucky killed Stark's parents that he was then found to be worthy by the powers that be.  Therefore, he was able to wield the hammer and utilize the powers.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Cap was able to nudge it in AOU, which drew a nervous stare from Thor. If I had to guess Cap still had some character building to do first before he could wield it. At that stage Cap was willing to sacrifice himself to defeat Thanos. That would've been enough to give him the power to pick it up and use it.

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elitesmithie's picture

I think Cap could pick it up then but knew it would mess with Thor's self image so he didn't pull it up. Just my .02 cents.

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BuckShotGinn's picture

Clearly this.  He gave it a transparently half-hearted fake effort for that reason.

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I agree with the comments in these replies. Even though Cap is as genuine as they come, he was still very opinionated and liked to do things his way...see events from Civil War (Hey, I agree with him over Tony on the Accords). Thor's hammer (Mjolnir) was enchanted with two rules in the previous Thor movies - 1. To wield one must be truly worthy and 2. Anyone who picks up the hammer possesses the power of Thor. Cap picks up Mjolnir when all else seems lost and he is willing to sacrifice himself for his fallen friends and to save the world. It is at the moment he is truly worthy. Thor himself yells "Yeah!  I knew it!" 

One could question how Cap knows how to operate the hammer and call for the lightening strike. I wrote this off as a connection the hammer has with its wielder + Cap has been around Thor for a decade so I am sure Thor has used and played around with hammer amongst the group. But hey, you could also ask where the manual was to operate the Gauntlet/ Infinity Stones.  Thanos, Banner, Iron Man all seemingly knew how to use it instantly.

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CTBuckeyeFan's picture

Saw it last night, solid 7 out of 10.  Lots of plot holes to overlook though.  Like where was Captain Marvel for the Time Heist and most of the final battle?  Was policing other planets really a priority over undoing the snap?  How did Scott Lang survive Thanos bombing the Avengers facility when he was standing at the window when they hit?  How did a stones-less Thanos take out Ironman, Thor and Captain America in a 3 on 1 fight?  Thor almost single solo killed Thanos when he had all 6 stones.  How was every female hero not fighting someone at the moment Captain Marvel takes the gauntlet from Peter Parker?  Felt really forced.

The good definitely outweighed the bad by a pretty good margin though.  Was a good ending to the 10 year story arc.

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QuadCitiesBuckeye's picture

where was Captain Marvel for the Time Heist and most of the final battle?  Was policing other planets really a priority over undoing the snap?

Best not to tug at that thread, you could ask the same question about the Chitauri invasion in the first Avengers movie, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, Thor 2, etc.

MCU Reason/Rational: "Yes".

How did Scott Lang survive Thanos bombing the Avengers facility when he was standing at the window when they hit?

Plot armor is amazing stuff.

MCU Reason/Rational: *dismissive hand wave/gesture* Flying debris inadvertently triggered the size regulator in his suit.

How did a stones-less Thanos take out Ironman, Thor and Captain America in a 3 on 1 fight?  Thor almost single solo killed Thanos when he had all 6 stones

Thor and Iron Man were intentionally de-powered (to an extent) to make Captain Marvel look more powerful.

MCU Reason/Rational: Thanos was holding back and not really trying in Infinity War because he knew the stones made him unbeatable. He expended the least amount of effort necessary to see his plans through to completion. Thor's attack with Stormbreaker legitimately caught him off guard, he never would have allowed the axe to touch him if he knew it was coming.

How was every female hero not fighting someone at the moment Captain Marvel takes the gauntlet from Peter Parker?  Felt really forced.

It felt forced because it was forced. My wife and daughter literally groaned at that scene.

MCU Reason/Rational: That was a tease for a future A-Force movie:

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Mastro16's picture

Late to the party as my best friend and I waited a week to clear out schedules before we could watch Infinity War back to back with seeing this at the theatre. 

Endgame really worked for me. Extremely well. The thing that really gets me about the this MCU series and how it’s all come together over the last few years,  is that the gravitas supplied in recent movies has been able to retroactively make the older movies more meaningful. A lot of the solo/standalone films from before felt low-stakes and obligatory, so the meaningful moments from those movies would fail to hold their weight as the audience knew what we were really waiting for was the gigantic, badass team-up movies that were to come. 

But Endgame did such an amazing job of combining the defeat and grief holding over from Infinity War, AND the desperation/do-or-die tone of the plot to reverse Thanos’ snap, AND the awareness of the main characters that they were taking a last lap as Avengers and of the filmmakers/actors/audiences that we were all witnessing the last lap of these Avengers. So every scene in Endgame is filled with SO MUCH context that the entire MCU becomes validated throughout the movie. 

There were so many callbacks to previous movies that I wasn’t even expecting and didn’t know I needed, and they all hit so beautifully. 

Also - I was thrilled by what they did with Thanos, and thus also what they kinda did with the plot in general. Having Thanos learn in Endgame that he succeeds in Infinity War, but also that he dies, was such an awesome move. Because it makes his character in Endgame lose all hesitation, and lose all patience for the journey of finding the stones and completing his mission. So, instead of the long, crushing wait for inevitable ultimate defeat that we experience in Inifinity War, at the end of Endgame we get a true full-tilt, win-at-all-costs, FINAL battle for the stones and the fate of the universe. 

So good. Can’t wait to rewatch it sometime. 

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Wargor's picture

I re-watched infinity war a few days ago and while I will reserve final judgement until I have seen end game a few times, I think Infinity War was the better movie.  End Game was good, very good even, but I personally liked Infinity War better.  I really liked what they did with Thanos's character in the first one, and while I'll grant that end game's Thanos is younger and hasn't experienced as much, I found him to be rather one-dimensional like too many other bad guys.  I would have like to see some of that depth there, a bit of the, "you don't understand, I am helping the galaxy" kind of mindset.  

I'm also not sure I'm sold on brainy hulk.  I get it, the duality comes together, but I don't think it worked.  I think a full-sized brainy hulk that had the hulk-smash on a leash would have been better.  The mix we got was 100% of the brains and 50% of the brawn.  I'd have liked to see 100% of both.  

I did like the parent scenes (Tony and Thor).  I think they helped with closure for Tony and depth for Thor.  

I didn't like fat Thor.  huge gut but ripped arms.  I'm fine with him letting himself go and not caring, but he's an Asguardian and a god.  At the very least, if we had to have that sight gag in there, he should have snapped back into shape through some magic with lightning eyes.  

I think Black Widow deserved to share that funeral of Tony's.  Or at the least, have had a contrasting private ceremony attended by far fewer people (though core people) to highlight the differences.  Maybe just Clint, Cap, and Bannon.  

Still, a really good movie with tons of closure for a 20+ movie series.  I think between the two they did better than anyone would have had a right to expect.  They've set a bar I think most of us at this point expect Star Wars to fall under.  

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oztintacius's picture

I'm fully expecting Star Wars to be a huge letdown. Kathleen Kennedy running that ship into the ground.

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Mastro16's picture

I found him to be rather one-dimensional like too many other bad guys.  I would have like to see some of that depth there, a bit of the, "you don't understand, I am helping the galaxy" kind of mindset

For me the two movies have to be consumed as one, and in that way I loved Thanos in the second one - because of what he was in the first. He was able to be a one-dimensional villain in Endgame because he'd been sufficiently elaborated in Infinity War, so all that character backstory could actually be implicit in Endgame. We already know how vital it is to his entire existence to obtain the 6 stones and bring balance, and now in Endgame he learns that all 6 stones are going to be together on Earth for him to take? Yeah, forget all that flying around the universe looking for stones, all he has to do is go to Earth and beat the shit out of the Avengers once and for all. And he almost did, too. Back-to-back-to-back he crushes Captain America, Thor, and Captain Marvel one-on-one. 

I felt the battle at the end of Endgame was exactly what the MCU has been building to for years, and it was executed perfectly to me.

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logamaniac's picture

the movie was ok, infinity war felt tighter and like a better movie.  Endgame made it feel like they messed up timelines creating more holes than we actually admit for sake of telling the story.  new cap is a joke though.

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Wargor's picture

Yeah, they're going to have to get some magic serum for him or something.  

And some of those holes are apparently spots for Disney+ shows.  

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HotSauceCommittee's picture

I liked both movies - Infinity War and Endgame - about the same, but for different reasons. Infinity War had this feeling of doom provided by Thanos, his backstory and the children of Thanos. Thanos was the A-side of that movie and the heroes were the B-side. Endgame was a wrap up of Infinity War and a thank you to fans. Infinity War felt like a more rounded movie because of Thanos, where Endgame didn't really have a bad guy. It had the after effects of a bad guy, but not true villain since Thanos really wasn't the present day Thanos that completed his mission. That is what was missing from the movie, IMO.

I did not like how Black Widow did not get a send off. Even a small private ceremony or a moment of reflection would have been nice.

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