Recruiting Rewind - Frank Clark and OSU?

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RBurgundy4's picture

Clark ended up signing with That Team Up North and had a solid playing career but was eventually kicked out due to a domestic violence arrest his senior year.

Not a miss. End of story, frankly...Not to be a jerk, but that's about all there is to discuss. Don't really care what he's being paid now, or how he's performing. At the time of his recruitment, he was - apparently - a risk that wasn't worth taking. Hope he excels and keeps his stuff together, just like anyone else.

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stxbuck's picture

This. tOSU won a NC w/out him, and had a stellar DL while doing so. Add in the embarrassment of Clark of Clark being a shitbag and, yeah, what's the point???? tOSU didn't drop the ball.

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Byaaaahhh's picture

I totally agree that that's all I need to say I'm glad he didn't come here, but do you actually know that Tressel didn't recruit him because of character risks or did that just coincidentally turn out to be a dodged bullet? I think that's what OP was asking.

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stxbuck's picture

He was a marginal prospect for tOSU-they had higher rated DL in the bag. I honestly don't remember hearing any stories about character concerns regarding him coming out of Glenville-and tOSU under JT wasn't afraid to offer Glenville kids w/ off field issues-like Troy Smith.

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WorthyBuck's picture

He played games for UM as a convicted felon.  

Literally.

He was suspended for 1 game as a result of the felony.  

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WorthyBuck's picture

I would add that the felony occurred while he was a student at UM.  

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Dstacify's picture

Considering how Clark's time at scUM completely went up in flames thanks to DV issues I'm glad we didn't end up with him.

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TomD's picture

Looking at the 2011 Ohio State recruiting class, the Buckeyes that year signed Steve Miller WDE McKinley-Canton 4-star 0.968, Kenny Hayes SDE Whitmer-Toledo 4-star 0.945, and Chase Ferris SDE Elyria 4-star 0.925.  Frank Clark was a 3-star 0.852 ATH at Glenville, signed by Michigan.  Michael Bennett DT Centerville 4-star 0.974 was also in that 2011 Ohio State class. There may have simply been higher regarded high school defensive ends/defensive lineman in the 2011 class that Ohio State eventually signed, especially since all three DEs signed, and DT Bennett, were from Ohio. 

There also may have been, I say MAY have been, some underlying factors, based on articles which referred to, among other things, Frank Clark's childhood and his troubled past, but it would appear that there were 3 more highly rated DEs from Ohio in that recruiting class that may have been the ultimate reason why Frank Clark was not recruited.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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Stellar's picture

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

It's interesting that of those 3 highly ranked Ohio DEs the Buckeyes recruited that year none of them went on to be drafted by the NFL. Chase Farris, the lowest ranked of the three, probably ended up being the best player but as an offensive lineman. He started one year in Columbus and then went undrafted and bounced around on NFL practice squads for a few years before trying his hand at the AAF. Steve Miller, who was a borderline 5 star prospect, ended up being a solid but unspectacular player who started one year - although he did have that big pick 6 against Alabama. He signed with the Panthers after going undrafted but was cut in his first pre-season. Kenny Hayes transfered out after two years and ended up having his own serious legal issues, going to jail for seven months for child endangerment. The three star Clark, however, became a 2nd round NFL pick despite his issues and has gone on to become one of the highest paid DEs in all of football. It just goes to show that you never really know how things will work out with these recruits in the long term.

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Zonabuck's picture

After losing Noah Spence and Jamal Marcus after the 2013 season, Steve Miller played a huge role on the 2014 team. He also had a huge play in a game of huge plays for the Buckeyes against Alabama. 

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Dstacify's picture

I'll never forget Brad Nessler's commentary after that play. "I saw a sign earlier that the Steve Miller Band was going to be performing an upcoming show at the Superdome. Steve Miller Band just struck right here from the defensive line of OSU." Absolute gold.

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TomD's picture

You're welcome.  As is sometimes the case, higher-ranked players may have peaked in high school, while lower-ranked players may peak later.  Many factors contribute to this.  It would appear that Frank Clark is one of those players who peaked relatively late, lower-ranked out of high school, with early-life personal challenges as well, who also had issues throughout his college career and, it would appear, has gotten his life together and succeeded in the NFL.

"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." - Woody Hayes

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Dstacify's picture

Clark obviously has stayed out of trouble recently (that we know of anyways) and played well enough to earn himself a huge contract in the NFL but he's still every bit the bad character now that he was in college. Him getting into it years ago with a lady on Twitter for calling him out about his DV history and making all kinds of chauvinistic remarks in the process shows what he's all about.

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logamaniac's picture

Yeah Clark will never be the type of guy anyone should have wished we had recruited.  Ever.  

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Stellar's picture

Hindsight is 20/20 of course and I'm glad OSU didn't have to deal with it but back in high school how could the Buckeyes have known that he'd punch his girlfriend 4 years later. Obviously that's inexcusable but were there violence issues with him in high school that raised red flags?

Anyways the point of this wasn't to lament a miss but rather to see if anyone had any inside info on how things went between Clark and OSU back in high school and why they made the decision they made.

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Dstacify's picture

OSU was coming off a scandal that damaged the program's reputation at the time Clark was recruited. Odds are Urban was heavily trying to emphasize character in the kids he recruited at the time and avoid bringing any headcases on-board (though I guess certain players like Noah Spence and Bri'Onte Dunn made mistakes anyways). Not to mention Meyer dealt with a lot of out of control players at Florida. Odds are he looked into Clark's history and decided the baggage just wasn't worth it for a 3-star player.

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Stellar's picture

Actually Clark was part of the 2011 class which was Tressel's last recruiting class. Meyer wouldn't be hired until almost a year later.

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cdub4's picture

Clark had also gained about 60 lbs of muscle while at Michigan looking at that profile.

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keep_it_down's picture

If Tressel didn't take a kid from Glenville then he was made aware that the kid may be a character risk. I don't have any inside information but the relationship Coach had with Ginn Sr any player with talent would have been offered unless there was a reason.

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MaineStrength's picture

He came in very undersized out of HS at 210 lbs.  He was a late bloomer.  He finished his UM career in the 260-270 range.  It wasn't until his junior year where he really had the size to play every down, so he was a bit of a developmental prospect.  Fans weren't particularly high on him coming out of HS.  And, although I don't remember any problems coming out of HS, he had some character questions during his time at UM and as a pro.  But, he did develop into a really good DE his last two years at UM.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

he had some character questions during his time at UM

That's an odd way to say he beat up his girlfriend.

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MaineStrength's picture

That's an odd way to say he beat up his girlfriend.

It's more than that.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

It's more than that.

Then why try to downplay the fact he's a vile human by just saying he had "some character questions?"

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MaineStrength's picture

Then why try to downplay the fact he's a vile human by just saying he had "some character questions?"

Interesting take.  I'm not sure why you think I'm downplaying it.  Maybe you're assuming just because I'm a UM fan that I like him.  I do not.  In fact he did more than that.  He also had a felony charge of in home invasion.  He also had some less than kind words of a journalist who questioned him.  But, I wasn't trying to pass judgement one way or the other beyond that he had off the field issues.  But, the topic wasn't really about that as it seemed more focused on his ability and recruiting profile coming out of HS.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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shawn kemps kids's picture

It's fairly evident I think you're downplaying it by stating he "had some character questions during his time at UM." Character questions are "Does he drink and smoke the night before a game?" "Does cheat on exams?" "Does he twist guys ankles at the bottom of the pile?" not "Does he beat up his girlfriend, steal valuable items and broadcast his sexist views of women in sports?"

But that's just my opinion. 

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Hovenaut's picture

I'll leave the anti-M...igan bias at the door, Clark had off the field issues in AA...taking that at face value as it's fair.

DV, home invasion, and theft of a laptop in there somewhere?

While I'm fine he didn't land in Columbus, it's fair to admit he's turned things around as a pro and is about to cash in for it.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

No not really. It was documented domestic violence. But I would expect a Michigan apologist to make excuses for it. 

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

Back again making nonsense comments I see.  Good to hear from you as always.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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actionstanleyjackson's picture

Funny...all of you comments seem to disappear from being downvoted into the ground. Your hot takes are worthless.

Stay golden, Ponyboy.

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MaineStrength's picture

All your comments regarding UM are worthless.  You are incapable of having a conversation about UM without bias.  I get downvoted because I'm a UM fan.  You get downvoted because you're a prick.  I'll take the former.  The only thing people agree with you is their dislike of UM.

Strength equipment is expensive & guarantees you nothing. A strong will is free & will give you everything you need.

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Hovenaut's picture

Probably a good time to walk away from the conversation guys...getting a little heated now.

I'm not around that much, running exhausted and lost...

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Calgarybuck's picture

Exactly, I recall his recruitment as well and was thought by those to not be big enough to ever play for OSU, for him to get up to 260+ was unexpected and was too slow to play LB.

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RunEddieRun1983's picture

Given Clark's history and how his career at TTUN ended, I say good riddance. Glad we could send him away from D1 football with consecutive losses to the good guys. 

Urban Meyer left an incredible legacy. 12/4/18 Ryan Day begins his.

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jpfbucks01's picture

Back in the fall of 2010 and winter of 2011 Tressel and the tat-gate scandal broke. 

Tressel was likely trying to ensure he did not recruit someone else that could be an "issue".

Tressel also had a strong connection and pipeline to Glenville and Ginn Sr at that time.

So perhaps Ginn warned Tressel that this kid although talented may have had some issues...

add to this that when he was a recruit he was listed as sub 210

so as a rush DE/OLB he was vastly undersized and hence a 3-star kid viewed as a "project".

Michigan was also a shambles then having fired Rich Rod on in early Jan 2011 and hiring Hoke on Jan 11, so they were cobbling together any recruits they could and Clark was recruited during that mess.

However, by the time the combine came around, he was up to 270 having added 60+ lbs. and had been arrested twice, once for criminal trespass for stealing an Apple Air and later for the domestic violence charge

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BrewstersMillions's picture

I think even Michigan fans put Clark in a back corner with Portnoy and a few other undesirables. Clark, by all accounts, appears to be a weapons-grade scumbag.

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EvanstonBuckeye's picture

Great post and interesting topic, especially since Tressell had such success recruiting Glenville, yet decided to pass on Clark. Obviously, Michigan saw something in him and developed him into the player who was drafted and later flourished in the NFL. Who knows if character issues in high school (not the more serious transgressions referenced above) were a factor or not in us passing, but he's exactly the type of 3* that recruitniks cite when arguing that stars don't matter, even though we know they do. 

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