Justin Fields Can Make Quarterback Transfers Forgotten About By Fulfilling Immense Potential

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Dillon G's picture

Fields has a couple of pretty good coaches getting him ready.

#walkaway

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3ydncloudofdust's picture

Fields will grow and mature w the help of 3 of THE best CFB coaches out there [for QBs]. Tate was gone as soon Urban resigned and Baldwin was/is a year ahead of the timeline Day had set. We will undoubtedly have some growing pains [on both sides of the ball], but we can easily become a juggernaut by season’s end. JMO. 

If Fields stays engaged and committed - sky’s the limit. 

"You have to play with emotion, you can't let emotion play with you." - Ryan Day

 

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brothadudeguy's picture

Waiting for that guy to comment "depth wouldnt ever be a problem if we didnt bring in fields"

Yes it would be. If tate wins the job then Baldwin transfers. If Baldwin wins the job then tate transfers. These guys nowadays aren't trying to compete for a position. They want the easiest path possible to show their talents to try to get to the NFL. This is a new era in college football. Either start recruiting 3 star QBs to be the backup or get your backup in the transfer portal.

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IBLEEDSCARLETANDGRAY's picture

Our starter would be Chug if Fields not tranferred.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Exactly. Maybe Mathis too but then we are stuck with a true freshman.

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Dstacify's picture

Disagree. I think either Baldwin/Martell would be starting this year had Fields not transferred. I think Baldwin very well may be missing Texas but winning the starting job likely would've offset that heartache. I think it's likely one of either Martell or Baldwin would've left had Fields not come here (depending on who won the starting job) but not both of them. One of them would've stuck around.

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CowCat's picture

I guess I don't buy the "Baldwin was homesick" thing. He had already been in Columbus long enough. He chose to come to TOSU. He played in the spring game. Now suddenly he's homesick? BS to me. Also the "I'm not a football player" is BS if he's using the NCAA transfer portal, unless he switches sports.

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

I'm with you... I'm not buying the bullshit Baldwin was squeezing out.  I realize just about anything is better for him than 'I was told I lost the starting job so I am taking my marbles and going to a place where I start immediately' - but come on

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Netbuck's picture

I think Baldwin saw the same thing we all did. The coaches want Fields to win the job. From the first spring practice he was getting more time with the 1s. If Baldwin was told it was going to be an even competition I can see where he'd decide to leave. IMO the homesick thing is a nice cover. If he doesnt say anything negative about the coaches or the school, then they won't dispute his transfer and maybe he plays somewhere this season.

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Extramedium's picture

I think he said something along the line of him being not ONLY a football player.  But I tend to agree. According to lettermen row this has been months in the making, but as of a few weeks ago, Day seemed to think Baldwin was fully committed.  So someone is either wrong or being dishonest

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JMeadows's picture

Like everyone else, I have no idea of the real reason why Baldwin chose the transfer portal, but I know from a lot of experience- such as spending time overseas- that no one in the military lies about being homesick and I would assume that the same macho spirit exists among football players..  It may be that Baldwin would have stuck it out had Fields not transferred, assuming also that Tate still would have transferred rather than being number two, but we'll never know.  I tend to think he would have stayed out of a sense of responsibility to the program and that he no longer feels that way with Fields here.  As hard as it is for us fans to fathom, not everyone has the same priorities and not everyone has the same capacity to wander off in the world for fame and fortune when they'd rather just stay at home and be around the familiar.  I don't think anyone is lying about anything.  I think he just wanted to go somewhere closer to home.

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rugby15's picture

Exactly, I dont understand how people think if Fields didnt come here that room would have stayed together.

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Dstacify's picture

Martell probably would've still left had he lost the starting job competition but Baldwin might've stayed. Somehow I doubt Baldwin would've bailed on the program citing "homesickness "if he was guaranteed to start in 2019. The reality is both Baldwin and Martell (and Mathis for that matter) were threatened by Fields and left, simple as that. I actually give Martell the upper hand cause at least he made his decision early on which gave the coaching staff time to prepare for his absence. Baldwin dragged his decision out and blindsided everyone with it which is less than ideal for the coaching staff in terms of preparation. I would've been much more angry if Baldwin had announced shortly before the season but it still wasn't ideal.

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rugby15's picture

But if Fields didnt come and Tate won the job Baldwin wouldnt have been guaranteed to start in 2019...

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Dstacify's picture

And Baldwin probably would've left had that been the case. I don't regret Fields being here at all. I just don't think the way we obtained Fields should be our blueprint for finding starting QBs going forward. It's the Harbaugh blueprint in a nutshell and how has it worked out for him so far up north?

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brothadudeguy's picture

I dont think you should label TTUN lack of success by transfer QBs. Keep in mind they run an offense from like the 1960s. Taking the best available QB is the best decision in my opinion.

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Dstacify's picture

I'm not even sure Shea Patterson is the best QB on scUM's roster right now. He's a sandlot football QB playing in the wrong type of offense for his skillset who also happens to have a noodle arm. Joe Milton has so much more potential and right now Harbaugh is burying him on the bench. That's what bringing in transfers does. It tells the guys that you recruited that you have absolutely no faith in them. Looking at those circumstances you can't really blame them for leaving.

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Extramedium's picture

I can't figure out why all their backups seem to be fine sitting on the bench up there.

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Steelydan54's picture

Agree that getting a transfer QB as starter is GENERALLY not a great option. However, when you have opportunity to snag the #3 all-time rated recruit as a rs freshman, it IS a great option. The lack of synchrony in the QB room actually started when JTBIV came back for his 5th year, which jammed up the progression of upcoming QB's. 

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SouthPacificBuck's picture

This is so true.

"Day is like a kid who woke up on his 16th birthday to find a Bugatti in the driveway." ~ Tom Fornelli

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Bukirob's picture

So if Martell wins the job you think Baldwin stays?  LOL  Nope it wouldn't have happened.  The ONLY way Baldwin was staying is if he was named starter.

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Dstacify's picture

I never said that. One of them would've left and one would've stayed (as opposed to both leaving due to them having no desire to compete with Fields for the job).

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Wrong. You have no idea what you're talking about. Baldwin never expected to be the starter as a RS Freshman. He just doesn't like the bullshit circus and he's homesick. Don't claim it's a battle when it's not. Fields was brought in as the starter and Baldwin's smarter than the coaches think. The battle never existed and there was never a question. Now, we gotta hope he's a LOT better than he was in the Spring Game.

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TXBuckeye53's picture

Baldwin would have stayed if Martell won the job. Starting is not the issue. I guarantee it. This kid is not that big of an ego. He knows how to wait and be patient. This was about something else. 

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theopulas's picture

You guarantee it? The portal is open now! You can't guarantee any back-up QB, that feels he is good enough to start won't enter. Tate choose to go compete against 6'3, two 6'4s, and a 6'5, all strong arm QBs who the coaches recruited, and the school seems to like a lot. No more guarantees!

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ibuck's picture

I don't understand how people think if Fields didn't come here that room would have stayed together.

Even if OSU coaches didn't ask them the question*, the coaches knew/suspected transfers could happen.

* The Question: If you don't win the starting QB spot right away, will you stay around as a backup to improve your game / take over if the need arises?

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CowCat's picture

Imagine oneself in Ryan Day's shoes. Haskins is gone. You need to keep winning. You need fill a position at quarterback. You get the best QB available. Buckeye Nation would not accept anything less than that.

"We get paid to score touchdowns, not kick field goals"
-- Urban Meyer

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dwcbuckeye's picture

Looking forward to this season more than most if that is even possible

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Keze's picture

There is never a problem as long as the starting QB plays well and STAYS healthy.

I see more carries for the RBs now that we needs to limit Fields runs.

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Netbuck's picture

The challenge is that the QB run seems to be the strongest part of Fields game right now. If he isnt a more accurate passer in the fall, you'll need him to be a runner to make the offense work. Hopefully he'll settle into making the reads in Day's offense over the summer. Otherwise we could be back to the 2017 offense, so many QB runs that the RBs cant get enough carries.

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theopulas's picture

This kid won the Elite 11! They don't have drills and judge you much on how well you run!

Theopulas

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Extramedium's picture

No, you don't limit the QB in any way out of the fear he may be hurt.  If you do that, you might as well be playing with a backup already.  The starting QB being injured is always a risk, and can happen in the pocket just as easy as it can with him running 20 yards downfield.

i saw him shaking his wrist after a lineman ran into him in the spring game under no contact rules, it can happen any time.

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Cooper's picture

I’ve noticed the zip on his passes, which I think will lead to a couple more drops from receivers this year. Even though the receivers greatly improved last season, the best part about Dwayne’s arm was that the ball would float into the receivers’ hands. If Fields can put some touch into his passes, I think there won’t be that big of a drop off in ability from last year. The biggest thing is just being as mentally prepared and a master of the playbook. Dwayne could rip it at a 70% clip because not only was he extremely talented, he felt comfortable in the pocket and he knew what to do 99.9% of the time.

This is definitely where I parked my car.

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JJBleedsScarletandGray's picture

I am with you on this. No regrets about landing Fields. He has the ability to take this team to the top and he would be hard to hurt. But what does worry me is the scenario that Clemson went through last year. Lawrence got knock out of the game against Syracuse because running the ball. They were so close to losing that game and only reason they won it is because of their Defense. Their backup is a lot like our options now. Can this team when a game if the same thing happens? 

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bakerjon's picture

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brothadudeguy's picture

I just dont understand why people are so hung up on QB depth. You're expected to have a drop off when you're starter gets hurt. Look at Clemson. Two true freshman in that room and they still win a title. People look at 2014 as an example. Well I'm here to tell you that we didnt have multiple starting QBs in that room. We had multiple backup level QBs in 2014 that were carried by the rest of the NFL roster that we had. Now we have an NFL talent (although unproven) leading the way. I'll take that over multiple backups anyday.

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cledaybuck's picture

We had multiple backup level QBs in 2014 that were carried by the rest of the NFL roster that we had.

Oh, come on.  Miller, Barrett, and Jones were all upper echelon starting QB's in the Big Ten.

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Dstacify's picture

Exactly. Cardale was 3rd string that year and he was significantly better than every single QB on scUM's roster at the time. He likely would've started for multiple B1G teams that season.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Let's subtract Braxton from this because he never played QB in 2014 and doesnt play QB to this day. But how many of those other guys are flourishing at QB in the NFL right now. Go ahead, I'll wait.

EDIT: Cardale and JT will be buckeye legends forever. But to say that they were great QBs and lead that team to a title is absolutely false. Replace them with just about anyone you could think of and we still win a title. Keep in mind they were also lead by an offensive guru at OC. Take him away in 2015 and what did they do in 2015 with the same roster? They were average at best QBs in college football. I'll take the NFL talent over depth anyday.

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Dstacify's picture

There are also a lot of NFL QBs playing right now who had rather underwhelming college careers in terms of wins/losses. Josh Rosen and Jared Goff are the biggest examples of this (they both played on terrible teams in college where all their immense talent wasn't good enough to win games). In Cardale's case what we know about him is that he was a pro-style QB playing in a read-option system that didn't suit his game. Herman was successfully able to adapt that system to him during the 2014 playoff run and it paid off. Meyer, Warinner, and Beck failed to do the same in 2015 and Cardale struggled at times because of it (it is well documented now that so much of what happened in 2015 was on the coaching staff). JT has always had limits to his game as a passer but he was the perfect fit for Meyer's system which is what led to all of his production. Cardale and JT were good QBs for us and could win games. That most certainly is a fact. Just because their NFL careers haven't been great doesn't mean they sucked at OSU. Troy Smith is the only OSU QB to ever win the Heisman and he flopped in the NFL in almost every way imaginable. That doesn't take away from what he accomplished at OSU. The NFL is a different game for the most part and not all college players are fit for the NFL, simple as that.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Yeah... you're basically agreeing with me. They were good QBs for us because we had so much talent carrying them. I said they will always be legends at Ohio state. But we did not have that success because of them. They just managed not to screw it up.

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Dstacify's picture

JT in many ways carried the team in 2014. The team going into the season was completely filled with unknowns on offense (the offensive line was brand new save for Taylor Decker, we didn't how good Zeke was going to be yet, the WR corps was mostly unproven aside from Devin Smith and Michael Thomas was coming off a redshirt year in 2013). That's basically a complete overhaul on offense from 2013 and JT still put up excellent numbers that landed him in the Heisman conversation. Yes, the rest of the skill players grew around him but he wasn't being carried by anyone that year. The most you could say JT was being carried was during the 2016 season. Cardale when he took over late in 2014 took over a seasoned offense but he still deserves credit for what he was able to do. Most backup QBs would flounder in situations like that but he didn't and that speaks very well of him as a player. Hell Nick Foles basically did the same thing in the Eagles SB run two years ago and he's sitting on a rich contract in Jacksonville in part because of it. So no, I don't agree with your argument that Cardale and JT were anchors that the team had to prop up. If they were we wouldn't have won that Natty in 2014.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Everything you just said is a tribute to Tom herman and the offensive staff. They developed all of that talent into great players. Herman even said that when cardale came in that all passes were outside the hash marks. He was throwing deep balls in harm's way that our receivers made great plays on or they were just wide open. Does that sound like a great QB? In 2015 you are right about the miss management on play calling but he was also missing wide open throws. He couldnt even throw a 5 yard slant.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Were getting off on a whole new tangent here though. My whole point is that the lack of depth in the QB room right now isn't because of Day's mismanagement. It's because hes taking the best talent available as he should and the other QBs are seeing the writing on the wall.

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teddyballgame's picture

You're just wrong about this dude.  They were all special QBs in their own way.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Special in that they were part of huge accomplishments at OSU, yes I agree. They were not special when it comes to their talent as quarterbacks though.

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brothadudeguy's picture

Teddy, I dont think anyone is wrong in this. Just guys sharing their opinions on the game we love!

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cledaybuck's picture

But how many of those other guys are flourishing at QB in the NFL right now.

So Ohio State has never had better than a backup level QB if flourishing in the NFL is the standard?

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brothadudeguy's picture

I mean yeah. You can say what you want about troy Smith. A lot of potential that didnt translate. Maybe because of lack of work ethic. Who knows. But seriously before Ryan day you cant really say that Ohio state was ever QBU.

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cledaybuck's picture

I don't judge OSU QB's by what they do in the NFL, I judge them by what they do at Ohio State. 

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brothadudeguy's picture

Fair enough. I just think if we evaluate a team's talent by how many first round picks they send out then QB shouldn't be an exception.

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Dstacify's picture

OSU was having success at QB before Day showed up. The Tom Herman years speak for themselves there. Yes, Day deserves credit for putting Haskins on the map as a soon to be first round pick (first OSU QB since Art Schlichter to go in the 1st round). But so does Tressel for developing Troy Smith (who was a completely unheralded recruit coming in) all those years ago into a guy who won the Heisman in 2006. Even during the John Cooper years we had Joe Germaine and Bobby Hoying (while they obviously had disappointing NFL careers they were excellent QBs at OSU). Having good QBs isn't a foreign concept to OSU that Ryan Day just introduced them to, that's a complete fallacy. I love Ryan Day just as much as the next person but you're giving him way too much credit there.

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TPMBuck's picture

Exactly - our problems with transfers are happening because we now have had, in Haskins, and have now, in Fields, QB's that aren't just NFL picks but first-rounders (giving Fields benefit of doubt for now). Previously, our QB room was a "we're all in it until we graduate" environment because leaving early for the NFL wasn't in the cards for anyone. We've upgraded QB recruiting and with it comes the problem of the QB's in the room all having legitimate NFL aspirations.

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Dstacify's picture

Clemson won a title because Trevor Lawrence is that good and he has an excellent team around him. And (most importantly) Lawrence stayed healthy last season and didn't miss any extended time. I do think OSU is likely to bring in at least one more QB to fill up the room but it is imperative that Fields stay healthy this coming season and not take any chances with his body (something Braxton was known to do at times). I honestly don't think Chugunov is a bad player and for all we know he could turn out to be the next Kenny Guiton (with the coaches we have it's very possible) but I'd rather not find out in 2019. There will be a drop-off between him and Fields no matter what if it comes to that.

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ANOTHERMICHIGANLOSS's picture
I do think OSU is likely to bring in at least one more QB to fill up the room but it is imperative that Fields stay healthy this coming season and not take any chances with his body (something Braxton was known to do at times).

What do you mean though?

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Dstacify's picture

Braxton was good at making people miss but there were times where he would try to showcase his toughness by running through defenders (despite not really having the build for that style of running). I specifically remember Braxton's scary injury in the 2012 Purdue game. That injury was partially Braxton's fault because he was trying to ride the Purdue defenders out of bounds (which there was no need for him to do that) and he subsequently took a late shot that knocked him out cold. I love Braxton, don't get me wrong, but he wasn't the smartest runner. There's a reason why got hurt as frequently as he did.

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bakerjon's picture

You are not wrong. He played a style that made him more susceptible to injury. 

That doesn't change the fact that a guy that runs toward people that want to hit him is more likely to be injured than a guy that runs away from or throws the ball before people run at him and hit him. This is a big reason why NFL teams don't run their QBs as much. Business decisions.  

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buckeye1964's picture

clemson won a title because they faced no competition in a laughably weak ACC. and look for this to continue......with fla st and miami both falling back, there is no quality teams in the ACC but clemson.

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Dstacify's picture

They also trounced Alabama (most certainly not a weak team) to win said title. Yes, Clemson plays in probably the weakest conference in CFB right now but they can't help that. Louisville and Florida St are both going through rebuilds right now (they were competitive teams not too long ago). There's nothing Clemson can really do about that. A Natty is still a Natty.

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Nutinpa's picture

Agreed.  As much as I really hate to say it, until we beat Clemson into the ground, I can't throw shade at them no matter what their schedule is.  I am 62 years old and have never seen an OSU team beat Clemson .....with the last debacle etched in my mind.  We can't talk shit about them until we set things right. It's as simple as that IMHO.  Maybe Fields helps set things right!  

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Buckloving's picture

Yeah Clemson's no good

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bakerjon's picture

BDG I hear ya and I too expect a little less when the backup comes in. Nothing against Chug, but there is a reason he wasn't in the discussion for the QB competition this spring. His role was to play scout team QB, get people ready for Saturdays and get a degree for his hard work; not play on Saturdays. Yep, that's brutally honest, but there it is. 

My fear isn't is Fields good enough. He is. But we will have a mostly running offense this season with Fields and Dobbins and some passing mixed in. Fields will likely be putting his body on the line against large defensive players whose bodies are more advanced than his own. He's like 20 years old, maybe.

He's not Braxton, but the comparison is obvious. In 2011 and 2012 Braxton went down with injuries due to his running style of play. I wish nothing ill on him, but statistically, Fields is more likely to come out of games or miss them entirely. I for one believe this will not be a productive time for our offense when Fields is off the field.

I think Baldwin would have given more capability. Martell would have been a great option that scored points and drove down the field. They aren't there, now. 

That's all I think people are saying

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Dstacify's picture

Fields is not guaranteed to miss games at all due to being a running QB. It all depends on how smart he is as a runner. Oklahoma's QB depth behind Murray a season ago was terrible but it didn't matter because Murray made it through the entire season unscathed (which being 5'9" and 186 lbs is a huge accomplishment). It's all about how Fields chooses to run. To say he'll be as injury-prone as Braxton was is ridiculous. As I said above Braxton wasn't a very intelligent runner at times. He was often fearless to the point of stupidity when he ran which would often get him into trouble (similar to RG3 in a lot of ways). Not to mention Fields isn't playing in an Urban Meyer offense where the QB run will be used as often. On top of that Fields appears to be more of a complete package at QB than Braxton was. Obviously he needs to emphasize protecting himself but I don't think he's guaranteed to miss games just by being a runner.

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bakerjon's picture

Never said guarantee, just statistically more likely

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Dstacify's picture

And statistics are based on assumption. In this case the assumption that Fields won't be smart when he runs and subsequently will get himself killed. You don't think people had the same assumptions about Kyler Murray a year ago? Murray took those assumptions and turned them on their heads en route to a Heisman season where he never even so much as got dinged up. Whose to say Fields can't do the same?

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bakerjon's picture

Statistics would actually he say he can and he can't and what the chances of that are without assuming anything

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Dstacify's picture

You are using statistics related to running QBs to make assumptions regarding Fields. That's what I meant. And they are nothing more than assumptions at this point. They are hardly fact.

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ollie81's picture

Baldwin transferring blows my mind.  I thought he'd still be recovering for his knee issues and wait his turn. Can't blame the kid but I thought he'd be a starter in 2 years and have a big year.  Hopefully Fields learns to slide and stays upright the next 2 years and Miller is ready his RS freshman year.  

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Hovenaut's picture

Being Ohio State fans, it seems like we deal with all sorts of ups and downs. 

But funny how things seem to work out fine. 

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Get me to August 31st with our D-Line coach still employed by the university, that's all I ask.

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Hovenaut's picture

Got M...igan gossip? Bang it here.

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Dstacify's picture

LJ is not going anywhere. The source for that accusation is extremely questionable at best.

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ColbyRoseberry's picture

Ready for Football Season, Excited to see what Fields brings to the table...he will for sure be fun to watch!

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cledaybuck's picture

Day and his staff appear to be after someone else to provide depth behind Fields, but Kentucky’s backup quarterback likely wouldn’t be able to save Ohio State’s national championship hopes. Nor would Miami (Ohio)’s backup, USC’s backup or Texas Tech’s backup or third-stringer. Ohio State could sniff around Gunnar Hoak, Alex Malzone, Matt Fink, McLane Carter, Colt Garrett and a host of others in the transfer portal who could provide depth, but potential season-savers willing to serve as backups aren’t in the portal in May.

Does nobody seem to understand that just because your starting QB goes out, doesn't necessarily mean he is gone forever.  Sometimes you just need your backup to win a game or two (or less).  2012 Purdue, 2013 Cal, 2014 UM, 2015 Minnesota, 2017 UM are all examples.  All those games would have been lost with a 2011 Nebraska performance.

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ibuck's picture

All first-year starters have flaws, especially underclassmen. Day and Haskins have both said Haskins wouldn't have been ready to start in 2017 as a redshirt freshman

If only the JT haters could come to accept this.

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Tedbomb's picture

I think that's Haskins being extremely humble and holding his play to an extremely high level.  He was not allowed to compete for the starting QB in 2017, so he was also being nice to his coaches in his comments.  His only chance to play meaningful minutes that year was again Mich, was he ready?  He was 6 of 7 throwing for 96 yards and 22 yards rushing in just over a quarter of play.  Project that over 4 quarters, it close to 400 passing yards, 100 rushing yards.  We were down 6 when he came in, won by 11, 17 point swing in 1 quarter. Project that over 4 quarter and we win by 60 points.  JT was 3 of 8 passing for 38 yards in 3 quarters of play.  I think Haskins would have done Ok as a stater in 2017, given a chance.  Also don't know why Clemson and Alabama can win NC with true freshmen QBs and OSU coaches can't even get a 2nd year player ready to play?  Didn't Meyer call Haskins the most develop QB he's ever seen at high school level?

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ibuck's picture

Projections, assumptions, denial.

Perhaps he could have done ok near end of 2017, but teams would have prepared differently for him. 

Sorry, but I'm going with the coaches & Haskins' on this one.

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buckeyepastor's picture

Given a choice between Fields leading a sparse QB room, and Martell leading a sparse QB room, I like what we have.  I wish Tate every success at Miami just as I do for Baldwin and Mathis, but when the chips were down what I saw from Martell was arrogance, immaturity, and a lack of trust in his coaches and team.  If it was likely to be Fields/Chugunov or Martell/Chugunov, I am happier with Fields. 

If Fields leads us to 10 wins or better, including a win in AA, no one is thinking about the transfers in November.  But if we finish with 9 or fewer wins, there will be a lot of “what if’s” going on. 

"Woody would have wanted it that way" 

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Dstacify's picture

Looking at the rest of the roster if we finish with 9 or fewer wins that probably means Fields got hurt and we were forced to start Chugunov.

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ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

As long as Fields stays healthy, and Chugunov only comes in for mop-up duty, then we have nothing to worry about.  

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analyticalguy's picture

Chug filling in for a game as starter and game-managing for a win, even against a so-so opponent, would make a great story. I just want to avoid the necessary injury to Fields to make it possible.

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cledaybuck's picture

Yeah, that's why we are worried.  We have needed the back up QB every year since 2011 except 2016 and 2018.

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Dstacify's picture

2011 is a bad example. Bauserman began the year as the starter and was replaced by Braxton because he sucked. In the back half of the year Braxton played every down that season. Also the years where we've needed the backups to step in most frequently were when Braxton was the starter (he's always been injury-prone even dating back to his HS days at Wayne). JT obviously had a gruesome injury in 2014 that opened the door for Cardale and in 2015 Meyer was doing his musical chairs act at QB (by choice, not by necessity). From 2016 onwards we haven't had to rely on the backups as much. From what I've seen Day's offensive system is quite a bit friendlier to his QBs than Meyer's was.

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cledaybuck's picture

You are forgetting the 2011 Nebraska game.  A competent back up (sorry Bauserman) wins that game after Braxton left hurt.  We also needed the back up in 2015 by necessity for the Minnesota game due to Barrett's DUI.  The backup was fairly critical in the 2017 UM game too. 

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Dstacify's picture

Well Kenny Guiton was also on the roster at the time. And for some reason they had him at third string behind Miller and Bauserman for that game. You completely forgot that we had a lot of offensive coaches that year who were completely incompetent making bad personnel choices (Jim Bollman and Nick Siciliano being the biggest culprits). That's not the case with the current staff. The coaching staff finally moved Bauserman to third string permanently for the rest of the season after that game. The outcome of that game might've very well been different had they put in Guiton instead of Bauserman once Braxton went down. And all this ties back to my original point that Braxton was injury-prone (which was an issue with him even in HS). I don't see those same issue with Fields at all. The only comparison I see with Fields is that he can run. He's more of a complete package at QB than Braxton ever was.

As far as the 2015 OVI goes you can't predict when college players will do something stupid unless they have an egregious history of it (and that incident was completely out of character for JT). Fields seems like a good kid so I don't think we'll have any issues with him there. As far as the 2017 UM game goes it's widely believed that JT's injury in that game happened during pre-game warmups (supposedly due to a cameraman running into his legs) and he just reaggrivated the injury during the game. Just another fluke situation that is kind of hard to prepare for.

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Homey1970's picture

JUSTIN FIELDS MUST CAN MAKE QUARTERBACK TRANSFERS FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY FULFILLING IMMENSE POTENTIAL

FIFY, if you want a successful season.

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Second school in two years. No Starts. New playbook.

Crazier things have happened, but man I think we're expecting a bit much outta the kid if it's NC or bust.

I hope the hell everything clicks and the offense is a fire breathing death machine but I'm not calling for heads if it's not. Now, not this season but next..... Fields by then should be who we need him to be this year and riding on fools all the way to New York.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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BuckNutChicago's picture

Hey BuckeyeEddie27, it is always NC or bust around these parts... (see 11W comments from every Sunday morning in the Fall of 2018)

LoL

Go Buckeyes!!!

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buckeyeEddie27's picture

Yea, I know. I want that too. And every year fall into that line of thinking trap. It's just a metric ton of shit to put on a new qb with so little time in the system. Haskins was here and had been in the system for a year or so. Excelled because of it. Fields has all the expectations and less than half the time being here.

I know there's a game Saturday, and my ass will be there.

I Believe In Ohio State.

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Netbuck's picture

Agree completely. The word at Ga was he had trouble making his reads. Now he's in a new offense and, as of the spring game, looks like he's still developing in that area. He may become one of the best ever, but dont be surprised if it takes more than one season to get there.

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andretolstoy's picture

I remember a time when it was a question whether or not we'd have ONE QB of the caliber of Fields, Barrett, Haskins, Baldwin etc. let alone an actual QB coach or an offensive mind. 

If you die before you die, then you won't die when you die. 

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PhillyNut's picture

Fields right now is nothing more than promise and rating. I hope and pray he will be everything the Buckeye coaches and fans are expecting but right now we have to trust that the gamble was worth. Say what you will about other qb transfers but Oklahoma knew what they were getting in Mayfield and now Hurts. Ttun knew what they had in Patterson. Wisconsin knew what they were getting with Wilson. Fields does not fit that knowledge model but here is hoping it turns out to be the same.

I don't buy one goddam drop of gas in the state of Michigan!

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Dstacify's picture

Mayfield was a former walk-on who came into Oklahoma with a not so high star rating out of HS and baggage from clashing with his previous coaches at Texas Tech. So no, OU didn't really know what they were getting with him at the time. Mayfield was a blue-chip prospect who took off at OU and exceeded expectations. That's not a good example. As far as proven QBs go Martell and Baldwin were our other options for 2019 and are just as unknown as Fields is. Either way we weren't getting a proven prospect but Fields has the highest ceiling out of all of them no question.

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Netbuck's picture

Mayfield wasn't walking in as the assumptive starter though. He was just another guy in the room. For tOSU fields is the room.

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Steelydan54's picture

We are dealing with 18-20 year old kids with visions of sugarplums dancing in their heads (NFL pick).  We do all we can to keep the next great thing on the bench for a couple years so he can step into the role when the last great thing heads to the NFL Combine, but nothing is guaranteed in the current recruiting/transfer portal environment.  

Steelybuck54

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OldTownBuckNut's picture

Forgive me for saying, but this is a complete disaster in all reality. The QB cupboard is just about as bare as it's ever been in the entire history of OSU football. I say when you've got only one (ONE!!!) backup QB who's not exactly a world beater (no offense), that's already a problem, but the perhaps even worse problem is that you don't have QB's learning the system and developing either. I've been a supporter of letting kids play wherever and whenever they want to play while they have eligibility, so I don't/can't necessarily blame them. I can, however, blame the coaches starting with Day for not doing more to either stop the bleeding by convincing Baldwin or Tate that there's light at the end of the tunnel, or at the very least, have a stable of back up back ups ready to scoop up off the portal (even though I know we're not supposed to coordinate that stuff har har har). Hopefully somebody is planning for that in this new portal era. All it's going to take is for Fields to injure himself doing something kids do and we're screwed. Very short sighted in the end for us to pursue this course of action, in my humble opinion. I want to be accused of being overly concerned and will most definitely be hoping for the best and some Natty's but man, this is bad. 

Round on the ends and "HI" in the middle. O-HI-O.

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Dstacify's picture

QB depth was worse in 2011 than it is right now. And that was a room being coached by video coordinator Nick Siciliano. This group is being coached by Mike Yurcich (a very qualified coach to say the least). This is a severe overreaction IMO. A lot of this was inevitable the moment Fields came on board (and Day would've been a much bigger fool to turn him away). Not to mention Martell was a Meyer guy brought here specifically to play in Meyer's offense. That offense has changed to become more pro-style friendly and I think Tathan realized that. As far as Baldwin goes maybe he really does want to be back in Texas and just now realized that. That is NOT Day's fault. My advice is to take a chill pill before you give yourself an aneurysm. Day will have a plan to address this issue.

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Go1Bucks's picture

Good luck at that.

Go Buckeyes!

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buckeyearchie76's picture

I strongly believe that we need to add at least one back-up QB as an insurance policy.  My question and I would love to hear your responses to this.  Does anybody know what the quarterback situation is in Michigan?  Has any of their quarterbacks entered the portal transfer.  They have Patterson--obvious starter.  But, they have 3 decent quarterbacks behind him--Peters, McCaffrey, and Milton are all capable.  Maybe they are all satisfied there.  But, I doubt it.  With 3 good quarterbacks behind Patterson, somebody has to be unhappy.  I know, I know, I am talking about our hated rival.  But, again we are entering a very different world in college football.  And if we could poach one of these guys---who just might be fed up playing for Crazy Jimmy--that would great for us.  Just wondering if any of those guys are looking to move on.  GO BUCKS AND SCREW THE BLUE!

Louis Haynes

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Netbuck's picture

I dont believe that Patterson is the obvious starter. I wouldn't be surprised at all if McCaffrey wins the job.

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Australopithecus's picture

Procrastinating by trying to gauge the current attitude toward the upcoming season down south. Our QB room is as good as it has probably ever been, but it won't stay that way:

- Brandon Peters will transfer. He's in line to graduate after 3 years, this spring, I believe, with 2 years of eligibility left. CRAZY IDEA: What if he transferred to Ohio State? God, I hope not. But, he could as a graduate, and would be just one injury away from starting instead of three. Nobody tell him.

- Shea Patterson is our starter and will start next season, barring an injury. Lots of fans are calling for McCaffrey or Milton to start, but that's silly; Patterson looked really good in those rare instances when he had a clean pocket to throw from, and generally was good throwing from outside the pocket as well. Our lackluster passing game last year was due to shoddy O-line play in big games and an antiquated scheme--not him. He has a good skill set for the offense Gattis says we'll be running next year.
- Dylan McCaffrey is really talented. He'll have two years of eligibility after the 2019 season, and will most likely be our starter. He probably has a higher ceiling than Patterson, and would be starting at most schools right now. Unfortunately, he's starting what will essentially be his third different offensive system next year, and it's hard to take his potential over Patterson's experience and leadership. He's also a little fragile--the kid is a skinny 6'5" and runs strangely fast, but broke his collarbone last year after colliding with someone heavier and a foot shorter. 
- Joe Milton is also on transfer watch. He's inconsistent. Yes, he has a cannon for an arm. Yes, he looks like Cam Newton. No, he's not making his reads consistently enough right now to start. He'll drop an amazing ball one play, then toss an unforgivable interception the next. He also isn't willing to bail when there's no throw or run to be made yet. And with NFL aspirations and only one more year of eligibility than McCaffrey, a transfer must look tempting.

- Cade MacNamara looks promising, but we don't have any real footage to evaluate yet.

Perspectives from the other side. Go Blue.

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MoEddieRobtCarlosBeanie's picture

Excuse me sir,

Can we please not include spring game statistics in our articles.

There are just certain lines that should never be crossed.

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soldierdad's picture

What does Spring matter anymore?  It has nothing to do with what you see. https://twitter.com/i/status/1120828901230432256

The soldier is my son.  The school I gone to didn’t teach much grammar.  

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Sanitarian2's picture

A backup to a backup to the QB helped OSU win a NC once upon a time.

Sani

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niblick's picture

We're going to see what we were robbed of by having Terelle Pryor being coached by a guy not qualified to fetch my lunch.

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James Varney's picture

There's a name I consider critical to this discussion that rarely gets mentioned: Dobbins. Wouldn't a great season from Dobbins do more than anything to improve Fields' chances (and the Buckeyes') for success since it would open up passing lanes and protect Fields? Thus, a healthy Dobbins having big Saturdays would do wonders for both. And I see no reason why that can't happen. If I were Dobbins, I'd be playing every Saturday this fall with a huge chip on my shoulder. Guy has 1,000 yards as a true freshman and all anyone talks about is that kid at Wisconsin. Then, bit of a sophomore slump - maybe that was odd time share with Weber, maybe too heavy, I dunno. But if I were as good as Dobbins - and he's damned good - and I was this overlooked and forgotten about, I'd want to make my mark in 2019. 

Beat Michigan!

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gobucks1966's picture

Not going to sugar coat it Martell was gone no matter what and just maybe in a nice way was given a bus ticket to leave. He was not in the new staffs plans. Baldwin surprises me in two ways. He hung around all those years in high school to finally get the job as a senior. Then who does he think he is all of a sudden with his best offer was Colorado St. I believe it was. Back to Martel he nearly left a couple times.

Denny

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Buxki84's picture

Shot-Ginn Part Deux

I'd rather be a minute early than an hour early, 'cause I like to procrastinate.

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CTownBucknut's picture

Honestly I prefer Fields over Baldwin or Martell plus Mathis.  It's just my opinion, but I wasn't enamored with Mathis anyway, and ultimately, I think Miller would have ended up next in line regardless.  Sure, depth takes a hit, but if Fields stays healthy, it won't matter.  Going forward, I much prefer a future with Fields and Miller, who now has a clearer path to starting in a few years himself, which should reduce the prospects that he would decommit or transfer in the future.  

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BuckeyeinFlorida's picture

I always hope Ohio State players avoid injuries. Football players get hurt though. We have no depth at all due to bizarre transfers.
A late signing and a.grad transfer are great as a plan C and/or D. Have more than our fingers are crossed hoping he doesn't get hurt.

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