What is odd about a father wanting to protect his son from the media?
A) Dwayne is an adult and likely about to be the face of a franchise, daddy cant protect him from the media
B) Is getting a story like this printed versus them having an actual conversation and maybe clearing up the record for inaccuracies a better outcome? Lavar Ball tried to control his sons narrative too.
B) Is getting a story like this printed
Not much of a story, just a conversation the writer didn't appreciate so he published it. Typical media tantrum.
God > Family > Buckeyes football
The writer did go ahead and publish the story. He attempted to clear any inaccuracies (according to Dwayne Sr.) and that weird exchange ensued.
"Anything easy ain't worth a damn"
daddy cant protect him from the media
Yet the reporter chose to interview "daddy," and "daddy" responded.
Thank you Urban Meyer and Gene Smith
This is a puff piece about his childhood. He needs protection from that when he’s about to be dropped into a major market as the face of an NFL franchise?
So he went and got his own sources first and has been working on this story for months....now he want's to get Dwayne or his father to chip in and make it seem even more credible? Seems like this reporter started off backwards.
Look how he behaves when he can't get cooperation...these people are more trouble than they're worth.
Well, if you read the full transcript you'll see he originally reached out to Haskins Sr two months earlier, but got no response then. I suspect his attempt this time was along the lines of "I have an article, this is your chance to comment on it before it runs".
Yes, he "sent a message". Either way it seems fairly obvious that the Haskins family is not all that interested in contributing to this article. Just be a professional and move on. Publishing this transcript in an attempt to cast doubt on his past or make his family seem "weird" is just a petty thing to do 2 days before the draft.
The way you do that is by saying "No comment at this time" not "those other people are lying but I won't tell you how."
Dad keeps saying he's a veteran at talking to the media. It sure didn't sound like it.
all I saw him say were that some of those people weren't credible. who's to say who specifically, his neighbors? Dwayne's childhood friend? the QB coach?
there's a lot of speculation here and from you when its just as easy to chalk it up to not wanting to participate in an unknown piece from an unknown writer shortly before the NFL draft.
A "veteran"? And I am quite sure Urban thought he too was a veteran when talking before the season last year. Sharks patrol these waters...
And all the times he continued to talk to the media rehashing everything when it was finally dying down
I have no problem with how Haskins sr handled this. I read the comments at the bottom of the article and it was not pretty. Sounds like people that read the paper regularly have suspicions of the reporter and the paper. So, maybe he knows more about the inner motive of the reporter than we, who have never heard of him until now, do.
Cover up? Those are straws you’re grasping at.
Man….. this football team.-Jeff Okudah
It is a bit odd and does come across as defensive. However, given the events this summer, I can't really blame those affiliated with the program from having a heightened sense of skepticism when it comes to the media. I don't get the sense that many in the media are out to paint Ohio State football in a positive light, so I understand the defensive reaction.
defensive? more like protective.
it's right before the NFL draft, if my dad was fielding phone calls and potentially torpedoing my day to be the first player of my position taken I would 100% want him to be as cautious as possible.
What a baby with the inner circle/credible talk. I would have hung up on him, and maybe written something false in my story just to f$&k with him. Dudes cheese slid off his cracker
I have to return some videotapes
+1 for the phrase:
Dudes cheese slid off his cracker
made me chuckle ...
" ... poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and a king ain't satisfied 'til he rules everything ..." - The Boss
dwayne's father is correct ... only the paranoid survive ...
This just screams paranoia on all parties.
I understand what Haskins Sr is thinking though. He doesn’t want his “100 percent true” narrative associated with other people who may not be putting his son in the best light. It seems that one of the mentioned sources triggered him as not the most reliable person to paint Dwayne in the best light.
Like others have said though, he really doesn’t have any control over this happening in the future. The only thing he has control over is what he decides to attach his own name to, and in this case he’s exercising his right to not attach it to this reporters work.
Does anyone know what those sources said? Wonder what made Dwayne Sr. upset.
That's the weird thing. Dad insisting those sources were wrong, but about what? There certainly doesn't seem to be anything bad in the actual article about him.
Why did the reporter have to write that article? He could have just done nothing once he realized Dwayne Sr. wasn't giving him an interview. That would be a lot better than slandering him (which can ultimately hurt Dwayne Jr.'s draft stock).
If the Trevon Grimes story teaches us anything it's that what could possibly go wrong with a player's father sitting down to talk to the media about his son lol? The reality is Haskins Sr. could've given this reporter the truth and it wouldn't have mattered. The story would've been spun to fit a narrative and Haskins Sr.'s words would've been twisted. He's better off being dismissive IMO.
So a "reporter" and I can barely even type that word this day in age, goes on a fishing expedition before the draft in an effort to turn up some click-bait crap on a player try to sabotage his draft and when the player's parents didn't like it, they told him so. Sounds like a good Dad to me.
This guy wonders why it is hard to get information then literally answers his own question by simply writing the article. People are TIRED of the ESPN "Hot-take" bullshit and shoddy crap that passes as journalism these days. The 4th estate is dead and they killed themselves. Eli Apple has been good everywhere but NY. Personal issues aside, some of that was NY's fault.
I can't blame these people from keeping the media at an arm's length. Everything they write anymore is basically conjecture and opinion. The New York area media is notorious and good for Haskins for telling them to suck a skin bag of balls.
"Joey, you like movies about gladiators"?
a lot more people say they are tired of it than actually are. these stories wouldn't run if the page clicks weren't being generated from them.
look how many people here whine and cry about ESPN and keep linking their pages, giving them more clicks and traction.
I visited the article with an adblock on. I showed them!
The down vote is a mighty tool. Use it on idiots, not differing opinions.
Seems to me Haskins Sr was concerned about fake news/hit stories and wanted to see what it was about before he said anything. Just in the future, don't talk to reporters, they are as slimy as politicians.
“I got a bunch of quotes that were really complimentary and consistent, but it’s the quotes I didn’t get that really tell the story.” My god, Ohio State is a magnet for media trolls. The trashier they get, the more the spotlight shines on them, but we never learn.
He sounds paranoid but there really aren’t red flags. He’s just guarding the week before the draft media and clearly has bad blood with one of the sources the reporter named.
The reporter’s over the top response is a bit much.
"I don't think you necessarily have to get a trophy to be a winner." - Nick Saban 1/2/15.
If you click on the comments, it is pretty clear that there is little respect for the writer or who he writes for. Perhaps that is the real story rather than publishing a transcript of a phone call.
Brahs, let’s just call it what it is.
his pops is clearly a control freak and if it was a Michigan QB we’d be having a field day and maybe some cured meat.
To be honest, even if it was a Michigan qb's dad, I would still defend him. Remember, we are only getting the writer's side of the story. There is really nothing wrong with not wanting to talk to the media.
Actually, brah, you're getting the writer's side of the story and EVERY SINGLE PERSON HE INTERVIEWED, some who he has known for over 10 years. I love this assumption that somehow the writer is the enemy. How do you think we get news?
Another thing to point out is that Dwayne's dad should not negatively affect his draft stock. At the end of the day, Dwayne is the one throwing the ball on the field, not his father.
That’s how some fans blindly defend their team. Haskins sr came off like he was on bath salts, but it’s the reporters fault.
I mean, I spent some time in Jersey, and I don’t really want to talk about it either.
Same when followed by "some time in Jersey"
Lifetime vs. UM: L 9-1, C 8-0, T 5-0
Ohio State University President Jim Tressel
No argument from me.
Brahs, I've lived in Ohio. I've lived in Penn. I've lived in Florida. I've lived in California. I've lived in Arizona. I've lived in New York. I've lived in New Jersey.
Say what you will, but I'll give you one guess which place was the lamest. Hint: wasn't Jersey.
WTF is with this Brah bullshit? Do you think it’s cool or something?
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This is what happens when parents don’t monitor their 13 year old kid’s computer use.
Send the Earth Reverberating
Dad seems a little tightly wound but maybe (probably) there's a good reason.
This isn't even in the same universe as Annie Apple's shenanigans over the years.
Final point, most important: to hell with The Media
The connection, that they must be the same since they're both from NJ to one degree or another and both went to Ohio State, is not nearly as profound as the author thinks it is.
The writers next article is titled, "Are Browns fans already sick of Odell Beckham? Another Johnny Manziel ‘circus’". I think its clear to see what angle this guy is going for to get clicks....
So, the Haskins family watched their beloved coach get railroaded by the media, and you're surprised that the family just doesn't trust reporters?
Huh. Who knew?
The reporter was trying to write a positive piece about Haskins, a NJ native, who might be the future Giants QB. There was no reason for the dad to be defensive.
"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem." George Carlin
Tell that to the players that watched their coach get lynched by the press and media. There's plenty of reasons to be defensive around reporters. Just like I'm defensive when i go into an area that's know to be a bit dangerous. In both cases, no one wants to get ambushed.
I would agree there are certainly some media types that are less than scrupulous, but I would argue those are few and far between. With regard to the media coverage around Urban, I did feel that Brett McMurhphy's reporting was not always up to snuff, but he is the only true reporter I had a problem with. I don't consider the media types on ESPN, etc. offering their opinions to be reporters in the true sense of the word--it's an important distinction.
Overall though, I thought Urban brought much of the attention on himself by not giving an honest answer at the B1G media days. I actually thought the 3 game suspension he received was quite lenient.
I for one am thankful we live in a country that recognizes the freedom of the press. An informed citizenry is vital to a democracy.
Easy for you to say. You're a dispassionate third party. These people saw someone they idolized get railroaded. They don't know that guy from you or me.
I refuse to make this about Urban. I'm not taking that bait. but from The Haskins' perspective, I'm sure they don't trust ANY reporters right now unless its somebody Dwayne is comfortable around like Tim May.
From a personal standpoint, one of my favorite writer/reporters crashed and burned in my eyes last summer. John Feinstein was a total butthole talking out of his ass in half and non-truths...using his reputation to further the false narrative that Urban doesn't care about Domestic Violence and calling for his immediate firing. That was someone I used to respect. turns out a guy at that level had an agenda too. How could a nobody like this guy have any credibility in the eyes of the Haskins after that experience? They lived it.
I’m with you on this. My ex-wife worked in the media for 10 years (CBS, NBC and Fox). What I learned from her experience was that almost none of them can be trusted.
Then I saw my son’s fraternity get nationally trashed on a story that was completely 100% false. It was only due to some independent bloggers doing some real fact checking that forced the national media to reverse course and admit the story was totally fabricated.
What I learned from these multiple experiences is that it is rare, very rare, to find a reporter that is interested in the truth. Be viligent always!
My only comment is... “I don’t give a rats ass!!!” What someone else writes about any of our former Buckeyes!!!!!!
Unless someone has definitive proof of what someone may or may not have said - “Then Feckl the all.
I was going to provide a wise comment for someone of my years.... therefore I reached back and came up with this Diddy for all the rumor mongers - “Feck em all me lads: Feck em all!!!!
i think that sums it up perfectly!!!!
"To have a great life simply follow this rule: Do not bring undo conflict into your life..."
Charlie Baker - OSU - 1986
I just want it to be football season.
For some reason I just read Haskins Sr's lines in a James Earl Jones voice. Also, Jersey is the armpit of America.
Terence Mann James Earl Jones, Thulsa Doom James Earl Jones or King Jaffe Joffer James Earl Jones?
Smells like I'm not going to be giving the article a click...
"Year for what?"
Who cares. Haskins' dad seems a little unhinged, but he's not the one getting drafted. I don't understand this fairly recent phenomenon of adult athletes' parents being so involved in their careers. Seems unhealthy.
What a world we live in....people are outraged that a father would not just spew a bunch of nonsense to a media member to gain notoriety and publicity for his son and the family. I commend him. He was obviously peeved that the story started with sources that he deems not credible (and who are we to judge his reasoning? It's his son). The reporter says...but I tried to reach out a couple of months ago. And Haskins Sr is saying, yeah you and about 2500 other reporters, do you honestly think I would respond to every one of them?
I'm not saying the report is in the wrong for wanting to produce a story (see clickbait). The reporter is in the wrong for publicly airing that a father is in the wrong for not just babbling and spilling the beans on everything, especially when his son is in the midst of trying to make the best decisions to further his professional career. If you ask me it seems Dwayne Sr is just trying to make sure that the stuff that hits the media is beneficial for his son and not a distraction. There is already enough nonsense going on with his perceived position dropping on draft boards.
I say this with no experience and/or first hand point of view, if a reporter wanted to ask me questions about my kid and their future as a professional, I'd tell them to come back after my kid cashed his first professional check.
Shandy is not beer
A-I have seen zero evidence of the Haskins clan being overbearing or anything but supportive of Dwayne and his career at tOSU, and the coaching staff and university while he was there.
B-Here's a dirty little secret. The parents of HS-and jr. high- athletic phenoms sometimes have overbearing and self promoting attitudes towards their children that often burn local bridges w/ various youth athletic coaches, organizational figures,etc,etc in said figures hometowns. This doesn't mean they are Ball family level svengalis, but it does leave a bad impression that often gets forgotten by the general public by the time said athlete is either gearing up for a lucrative pro career or has faded away in college. I remember the father of a 6th grader basically shopping his kid around to local HS feeder programs in the Dayton area-5th grade highlight reel and all, perhaps looking for his son to be 'recruited' by HSs, perhaps just looking for the best fit for his kid. The HC I knew said thanks but no thanks, and we thought that was the end of it. Fast forward 8 years or whatever and surprise, surprise-the kid had moved across the country to Washington-I think his family was Air Force-signed w/ UW, and became a 2nd or 3rd round pick as a RB, and played in the NFL-not sure if he is still in the league or not. Haskins dad probably doesn't want old drama dredged up. Can't say I blame him.
Yeah, that's what I figure too. We all know that there is recruitment that goes on at the HS level. It seems likely that something happened back then. No one really cares now. Sr could have defused it all just by saying "no comment" instead of that word salad.
yup, glad Dwayne Jr. is pretty well spoken though, that is a common quality of franchise QBs
Love Haskins but I have no loyalty to his dad.
This is a writer just attempting to write about a person of national interest from the perspective of local connections for local readership. It’s more likely to be a flattering puff piece than anything. Just because his father wants to control the narrative doesn’t mean he gets to do so.
Actually, he does if the writer wishes first person information.
Yep, if the writer wants a story about NJ Dwayne from the viewpoint of his father, he’d need his father. That’s not the article he’s writing. He wanted coaches, friends, etc. who all had interactions with his son. The father has no control over that, nor should he. He absolutely has the right to withhold his own participation in the story. But that’s it. If he says, “you only get me if I have the right to approve the article before it’s published,” and the writer agrees to that, great. But there is not some mandate from the heavens which dictates that.
What a waste of 3 minutes of my life reading this garbage. Scumbag reporter already had his mind made up on what he was going to write.
What we can't do in the air we'll do on the ground.
The only way in which the reporter didn't handle this well was by publishing the transcript of his conversation with Dwayne. But he absolutely should have made it know that he did (finally) speak with Dwayne Sr., the conversation was weird, and Dwayne Sr. refused to be a part of the story.
The good news is this particular story had to do with Dwayne's younger years, which would make his father a good source. Moving forward, reporters shouldn't have any reason to reach to Dwayne Sr., and he won't be able to try and control the narrative for every story. Dwayne Jr. can/will have to speak for himself starting tomorrow, and that's a very good thing for him because he is very well spoken and carries himself well.
Reporter wasnt totally in the wrong here but he also needed to be less of a douche and not print this. It's an obvious jab at the dad for not playing along with him. Not sure what the reporter gains by posting it.
95% of the comments in the article don't seem very friendly towards the reporter, so unless those are all OSU fans with scarlet colored glasses, I'd say he doesn't have the best of reputations.
I do think Dwayne Sr. handled this a little bit strangely, but I don't think they are hiding anything.
After last summer, many if not most tOSU fans don't hold the National Media in high regard.
Any article/comment/poll critical of anything even tangentially related to the Buckeyes is dismissed as uninformed or bad journalism or whatever by Buckeye fans.
Most - probably all - fan bases are like that. I kind of hate that aspect of fandom, but I understand it.
However, I wouldn’t trust that 95% to be the best judge of the media. Every fan base is convinced the media hates it. We are not unique in that regard.
We at least can make a case.
Every fan base says the same thing. And they’re all as sure of it as we are. And it always looks childish to those on the outside.
Haskins Sr. has good intentions but he’s wrong here. And the journalist may or may not be an idiot. I don’t pretend to know. But I do know that he is allowed to write about Dwayne Jr. without permission.
No one's disputing his right. Haskins is a public figure. As long as he doesn't defame him, he's allowed to write what he wants. But this criticism of Papa H is off base. We haven't walked in his shoes. And I don't think we are talking about the same thing anyway. You speaking generically about how all fans view media coverage of their team. I'm specifically addressing the public lynching of Meyer and how the Haskins view the media as a ramification of that summer of our discontent.
Haskins Sr. was absolutely disputing the author’s right to write anything other than what he - Haskins Sr. - wanted written. That’s where he was wrong. He’s not wrong to have the urge to defend his son. Nor are Buckeye fans wrong to wish the media wouldn’t report about the bad stuff. That’s human nature and we’re allowed to feel how we feel.
But you and I aren’t as far apart as it seems on all of this, and I certainly appreciate you defending your position rather than just parroting... “whelp, the media hates us.” That narrative is so tired.
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I get it, the Dad's dream from when Dwayne was 5 years old was to get his son to the NFL. He literally moved heaven and earth to do it including changing youth teams, moving out of state, getting him the best trainers, declaring bankruptcy......everything.
It was not a pretty process - he's an aggressive Dad that wasn't out to make friends during Dwayne's youth football days. Now a NJ-based writer is digging around his NJ days a couple months before the NFL draft......all he will find is the "ugly side of youth sports." Nothing illegal - just things that don't look great on paper.
Every dream has a price. I get it. His Dad's dream will be reached tonight - thousands of Dads' dreams (guys who did the same thing Sr. did but whose sons didn't pan out) will die tonight).
Congrats to his Dad.
Where did you get all this? I've never heard any of it.
It's in one of the articles from the same author linked in the transcript between the NJ author and Sr.
My gist of Sr. is that he's not a bad guy, but he was extraordinarily aggressive in advancing his son's football career. Extraordinarily aggressive....take no prisoners and guess what? It paid off!
I get what he did (and I admit I share a few of Sr's attitude.....but to a very small degree).....I'm not as confrontational as it sounds like Sr. was.
rumors going around about Dad, family, and business they are in.
Like I said rumors.
Seems kinda weird but in todays world everyone is crazy.
Yeah, this was really weird. I don't think this interview should raise flags but in the words of Red from Friday, Pops trippin!
Not weird it all. What I see is a man who is smart enough to not trust a reporter. Good for Haskins Sr.
Yawn. What a big nothing burger. Who really cares about NJ Dwayne? He’s a great QB - this reporter is just trying to get famous on his coat tails.
After the way the media treated OSU and UFM, I don't blame the family for being hesitant to talk to any "reporter." To me, the fact that the reporter published the transcript, and tried to insinuate some cover-up only reinforces my belief that reporters cannot be trusted. They have an agenda, to help or to smear, and it rarely involves the truth.
"Your focus determines your reality."